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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 2:59pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: You can pick Mauritus or Botswana - who have chosen the democratic route - whatever system you adopt - get it working! It not true that countries developed due to slavery or colonialism. Countries developed by simply improving their productivity - mostly due to industrialization. so half bake .The country you mentioned aren't a full developed country anyway, so what do you think will really impressed me about them. They aren't a big trading center nor a technological hub rendering practical solution. Bostwana is just as lucky as Ghana with natural resources and small population. The lsland called mauritius is just an offshore financial center . Growing at the expense of other weak nation. Don't be surprised to hear you have some amount of kenya money stock in there . Ghana can easily play such system anyway. Industrialization does not necessarily developed a nation , trade does . China and India used to be industrialized but fell alongside when they cannot complete in trade . What is the importance of industrialization when there is no trade. China understand this and it get back on its page of development after playing protectionism for a while. You will need a ready market for your industrialization. Grow it along your industry. United arab emirates is simply a trading center. Nothing like big industry going up there. India and china goods end up trading there. it is trade in goods, services, and money that developed nations. industrialization does little for economic development. The West were looking for a new market and africa was found after they have gotten their market saturated . Trading Nation will always remain the most wealthy , European/America understand this. hence a competition with China 1 Like 1 Share

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 3:15pm On Sep 18, 2021

Abohboy: No there's a completely new one they're bringing together other 38 political parties in Nigeria to form a singular mega party it should be unveilee on October 1st and registered very soon. Good because I don’t like sowere lol

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 3:17pm On Sep 18, 2021

jl115: but China ain't destroying Africa ...... Oh the fvcking Irony China isn’t destroying Africa our leaders just aren’t holding them accountable. If our leaders wants us to benefit from China trade deals they’ll make sure of it. For instance that Ibadan to Lagos train station increased our railway sector revenue by 33%

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 3:22pm On Sep 18, 2021

Abohboy: There's literally nothing wrong with this estate it is perfectly well planned and it's a private project with 0 government involvement and no person who was or in government is involved in the project so money laundering is unlikely. Nigeria is a poverty capital of the world. Who is honestly buying those estate?

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 3:25pm On Sep 18, 2021

obaaderemi: If we reduce corruption and focus more on SME, people would be richer. And of course we need to grow our GDP, it's important. A GDP of $400bn for a population of around 200m is shitty. Look at Turkey for example. It has a big GDP and population isn't too high. Capitalism can still give us this. Truth is: the capitalist countries are the richest. Even China is below America on the gini coefficient for measuring equality. This is how you sound like. lol

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 3:27pm On Sep 18, 2021

jl115: luckily I don't care about the "blame the whitey" mentality neither do I care about your approval When EFF goes into power hopefully they deal with you roaches and put you inside re-education centres lol That white supremacist beliefs will be beaten out of your body in Jesus name! 1 Like 1 Share

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 3:31pm On Sep 18, 2021

Before you trade; you must produce; Please understand things; Before tie yourself into a knot. Now how do your produce? You can use your own hand or machines (Industrialization) You cannot go to market places - without anything to sell. Africa must produce - good and services - for internal trade and external trade. You must produce quality goods cheaply - so you can compete in free market economy. Mauritius is service-oriented economy - because it's a small island - although they do a lot of sugar production. Ghana has to produce - beyond primary goods (cocoa) - they need to get into agro-processing - and finally into manufacturing. They need to go into low hanging fruits - labor intensive manufacturing initially - like textile and apparel manufacturing Before they acquire capital to import machinery to get into proper manufacturing Finally they need to build their own machines - R& - that final stage of manufacturing - manufacturing your own machines. vaxx: so half bake .The country you mentioned aren't a full developed country anyway, so what do you think will really impressed me about them. They aren't a big trading center nor a technological hub rendering practical solution. Bostwana is just as lucky as Ghana with natural resources and small population. The lsland called mauritius is just an offshore financial center . Growing at the expense of other weak nation. Don't be surprised to hear you have some amount of kenya money stock in there . Ghana can easily play such system anyway. Industrialization does not necessarily developed a nation , trade does . China and India used to be industrialized but fell alongside when they cannot complete in trade . What is the importance of industrialization when there is no trade. China understand this and it get back on its page of development after playing protectionism for a while. You will need a ready market for your industrialization. Grow it along your industry. United arab emirates is simply a trading center. Nothing like big industry going up there. India and china goods end up trading there it is trade in goods, services, and money that developed nations. industrialization does little for economic development. The West were looking for a new market and africa was found after they have gotten their market saturated . Trading Nation will always remain the most wealthy , European/America understand this. hence a competition with China 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 3:33pm On Sep 18, 2021

Just30: How do you live without electricity and water supply, no roads and cars in rural north Korea ? They’re managing fine if they are living longer than us 1 Like

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 3:34pm On Sep 18, 2021

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 3:45pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: Before you trade; you must produce; Please understand things; Before tie yourself into a knot. Now how do your produce? You can use your own hand or machines (Industrialization) You cannot go to market places - without anything to sell. Africa must produce - good and services - for internal trade and external trade. You must produce quality goods cheaply - so you can compete in free market economy. Mauritius is service-oriented economy - because it's a small island - although they do a lot of sugar production. Ghana has to produce - beyond primary goods (cocoa) - they need to get into agro-processing - and finally into manufacturing. They need to go into low hanging fruits - labor intensive manufacturing initially - like textile and apparel manufacturing Before they acquire capital to import machinery to get into proper manufacturing Finally they need to build their own machines - R& - that final stage of manufacturing - manufacturing your own machines. shut up , I just gave you example of a nation who does not produce nearly anything spectacular but she is prosperous. DUBAI. A well industrialized Nairobi without trade will amount to economic bullshit. But imagine a Nairobi with stores and chains of warehouse where everything can be practically purchased . That is economic breakthrough. It is trade in Money, goods and services that translate to wealth not actually industrialization. We will produce alongside trade. Industry without trading is practically another Burundi. . Uk is the biggest financial trading center now , gradually shifting away from industrialization. China understand both business. Even in the era of industrialization, the trading Nation are the richest . 2 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 4:04pm On Sep 18, 2021

Who has stopped Africa from trading. 20yrs ago - President Bush signed - The African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) - a trade act that allowed Africa countries duty free entry to US for nearly 2,500 types of goods. Why hasn't Africa taken advantage of it? It's inability to produce anything - in fact outside Oil - Kenya leads in AGOA. AGOA provides eligible sub-Saharan African countries with duty-free access to the U.S. market for over 1,800 products, in addition to the more than 5,000 products that are eligible for duty-free access under the Generalized System of Preferences program. ... vaxx: shut up , I just gave you example of a nation who does not produce nearly anything spectacular but she is prosperous. DUBAI. A well industrialized Nairobi without trade will amount to economic bullshit. But imagine a Nairobi with stores and chains of warehouse where everything can be practically purchased . That is economic breakthrough. It is trade in Money, goods and services that translate to wealth not actually industrialization. We will produce alongside trade. Industry without trading is practically another Burundi. . Uk is the biggest financial trading center now , gradually shifting away from industrialization. China understand both business. Even in the era of industrialization, the trading Nation are the richest . 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 4:31pm On Sep 18, 2021

Hueman: This is how you sound like. lol That describes you aptly. North Koreans are living longer, means they're doing better. Foolish way of thinking. 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 4:39pm On Sep 18, 2021

Just30: Japan was an imperial nation at the time and it didn't need to have colony because all South East Asia nations today were like no man's land with no fix boundaries... In the 1800s Japan was already carting resources from the Korea's, China and other island nations False. Korea was not annexed by Japan until 1910. Look,man. Without Japan's short lived empire, the country would still have prospered. It's about structure. The country was structured to progress after the Meiji Restoration happened. Putting Japan's progress on colonialism, especially by Africans, is running away from facts. Spain had an empire that stretched up to South America, the richest parts, yet by 1960s Spain was one of the poorest countries in Europe. Compare Spain with Germany. German colonies were almost useless yet Germany prospered. 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 4:41pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: Who has stopped Africa from trading. 20yrs ago - President Bush signed - The African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) - a trade act that allowed Africa countries duty free entry to US for nearly 2,500 types of goods. Why hasn't Africa taken advantage of it? It's inability to produce anything - in fact outside Oil - Kenya leads in AGOA. AGOA provides eligible sub-Saharan African countries with duty-free access to the U.S. market for over 1,800 products, in addition to the more than 5,000 products that are eligible for duty-free access under the Generalized System of Preferences program. ... it good you have stop repeating the mantra ( industrialization) that can be google on popularised internet as the economic changer . It is trade that does it better not necessarily industrialization. Africa’s trade flows have very little to do with European and american rule. It is a question of competition and demand. Who is demanding for african goods and who are we competing with . How many country really want it . For example , how much of kenya tea does america/ Germany consume . We need revamping in our trade industry anyway. Hope you know we are competing with China in European market. China is producing almost the same as us( including raw material). Can we compete china for example or india? China is leapfroging on this because it is a big nation united as one . Maybe when afcta fully come on board, we might see a game changer. Or what negotiation will a weak nation like Ghana have with big nation like USA on trade that will amount to Ghana Gain. A small Ghana will always be at the backward end while a big USA will have the upper hand .A united africa front can solve the issue . We are over 1. 4 billion . That is threat to even china if we are ready to unite . But again, how many European country are ready to buy our goods. I hear ruwanda has a phone industry, as she try selling it to the usa ? 1 Like

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by gallivant: 4:52pm On Sep 18, 2021

obaaderemi: False. Korea was not annexed by Japan until 1910. Look,man. Without Japan's short lived empire, the country would still have prospered. It's about structure. The country was structured to progress after the Meiji Restoration happened. Putting Japan's progress on colonialism, especially by Africans, is running away from facts. Spain had an empire that stretched up to South America, the richest parts, yet by 1960s Spain was one of the poorest countries in Europe. Compare Spain with Germany. German colonies were almost useless yet Germany prospered. Facts. 1 Like

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 5:22pm On Sep 18, 2021

Hilarious posts. Afcta is about intra-africa trade. Kenya is good example of a country to emulate; it use to do 50:50; intra africa and external trade The best trade is trade btw you and your neighborhood. Countries that developed normally trades within themselves. That is why regions seem to all developed at the same time. It's boats floating with ships around them...drifting. EU developed all at once - South Asians the same - and name them. It very difficult to develop alone in midst of chaos. If you focus on international trade - then transport cost alone will kill you. If you focus on trading with Togo or Ivory coast - then you'll be very competitive. Africa must trade within itself And that it can only do by producing goods and services that satisfy local, regional, national, sub-continental, continental and finally international markets. Even if entire world allowed Africa duty free zero tarrif market to rest of the world. What will you sell? vaxx: it good you have stop repeating the mantra ( industrialization) that can be google on popularised internet as the economic changer . It is trade that does it better not necessarily industrialization. Africa’s trade flows have very little to do with European and american rule. It is a question of competition and demand. Who is demanding for african goods and who are we competing with . How many country really want it . For example , how much of kenya tea does america/ Germany consume . We need revamping in our trade industry anyway. Hope you know we are competing with China in European market. China is producing almost the same as us( including raw material). Can we compete china for example or india? China is leapfroging on this because it is a big nation united as one . Maybe when afcta fully come on board, we might see a game changer. Or what negotiation will a weak nation like Ghana have with big nation like USA on trade that will amount to Ghana Gain. A small Ghana will always be at the backward end while a big USA will have the upper hand .A united africa front can solve the issue . We are over 1. 4 billion . That is threat to even china if we are ready to unite . But again, how many European country are ready to buy our goods. I hear ruwanda has a phone industry, as she try selling it to the usa ? 2 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 5:25pm On Sep 18, 2021

This is fact that Africans do not want to hear. To hear they must admit their own failures They want to blame slavery, colonialism, and neocolonialism Anything but take blame and responsibility. And of course fix the problem. For until you admit the problem..you cannot fix it. obaaderemi: False. Korea was not annexed by Japan until 1910. Look,man. Without Japan's short lived empire, the country would still have prospered. It's about structure. The country was structured to progress after the Meiji Restoration happened. Putting Japan's progress on colonialism, especially by Africans, is running away from facts. Spain had an empire that stretched up to South America, the richest parts, yet by 1960s Spain was one of the poorest countries in Europe. Compare Spain with Germany. German colonies were almost useless yet Germany prospered. 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 5:26pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: Hilarious posts. Afcta is about intra-africa trade. Kenya is good example of a country to emulate; it use to do 50:50; intra africa and external trade The best trade is trade btw you and your neighborhood. Countries that developed normally trades within themselves. That is why regions seem to all developed at the same time. It's boats floating with ships around them...drifting. EU develop all at once - South Asians the same - and name them. It very difficult to develop alone in midst of chaos. If you focus on international trade - then transport cost alone will kill you. If you focus on trading with Togo or Ivory coast - then you'll be very competitive. Africa must trade within itself And that it can only do by producing goods and services that satisfy local, regional, national, sub-continental, continental and finally international markets. Even if entire world allowed Africa duty free zero tarrif market to rest of the world. What will you sell? what is United Arab selling? First off, you have ignored economics, when constructing this question. Nations interact or trade with each other based on economic comparative advantages . You cannot sell oranges nor apples to your neighbors that have it double your quantity. It is like Ghana selling oil to Nigeria or Nigeria selling cocoa to Ghana or is it coconut. I hate repeating myself, the other statement you made here are hiding in my write up. afcta might be the game changer. But it need to be well planned and prudent . 1 Like

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 5:32pm On Sep 18, 2021

You keep repeating Dubai - the desert outpost - like it's any different from Qatar or Saudis or any of those rich nations. Those are just oil rich nations trying to divest - remove Oil and they die. There is a lot of difference regional or sub-continentally for trade to thrive. We can import cocoa from Ghana - and you can import Tea from kenya. Now you import Tea from England - and we import Chocolate from Swiss. Both do not grow any cocoa or tea...the processing required for tea and cocoa is minimal..it mostly packaging. There is nothing high-tech...we should only import machinery and high tech from them..not tea or chocolate. Obviously there is scope for international trade - generally Africa should be doing 50-50 intra-africa and external But most countries do less than 10 percent Intra-africa trade is non-existent except for few countries like Kenya. Look at Oil - it goes to India - and come to Kenya and Africa - after processing (refining). And it comes when prices has trippled. With Dangote - it will be cheaper - transport wise - because ship will not go to India - then come back to kenya! All money will go to Nigeria - not India. Nigeria will sell refined oil - not cheap crude oil. India has no oil but it's refinery business is creating wealth. Europe has no cocoa but chocolate industry is 100B.If you do not have quality milk - Kenya and South Africa have quality milk. And that is AFCTA - promote intra-africa trade. vaxx: what is United Arab selling? First off, you have ignored economics, when constructing this question. Nations interact or trade with each other based on economic comparative advantages . You cannot sell oranges nor apples to your neighbors that have it double your quantity. I hate repeating myself, the other statement you made here are hiding in my write up. afcta might be the game changer. But it need to be well planned . 4 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 5:41pm On Sep 18, 2021

Hueman: Nigeria is a poverty capital of the world. Who is honestly buying those estate? You really believe that Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world? You know that western media can lie and that they're often inaccurate and you believe they lie about the situation in North Korea but don't take a secoond guess on their news on Nigeria? Nigeria's middle class alone is over 60 million people do you really believe that there is no lower class above the poverty line but below the definition of middle class? And this lower or working class indefinitely numbers more then 40 million and for you to even think that China and India have less people below the poverty line then Nigeria does is frankly amazing to me because it should just be common sense that it isn't the case but continue listening to everything without taking a second thought at the case on ground. And do you really think that there aren't Nigerians who can afford housing in estates like what's wrong with you. You sound like the average ignorant American or European can those Africans even afford food, can those Africans even afford water, can those Africans even afford housing. For someone who claims to be a radical leftist African your views on Africa are extremely western and quite literally outlandish and weird 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 5:44pm On Sep 18, 2021

Dont argue with data. Your parent wasted their money on you. Nigeria is poor. ADMIT THE PROBLEM and fix it. The entire North of Nigeria with 100M people - are full of Almajiris - and life there is no different from niger or chad. Admit the problem. Abohboy: You really believe that Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world? You know that western media can lie and that they're often inaccurate and you believe they lie about the situation in North Korea but don't take a secoond guess on their news on Nigeria? Nigeria's middle class alone is over 60 million people do you really believe that there is no lower class above the poverty line but below the definition of middle class? And this lower or working class indefinitely numbers more then 40 million and for you to even think that China and India have less people below the poverty line then Nigeria does is frankly amazing to me because it should just be common sense that it isn't the case but continue listening to everything without taking a second thought at the case on ground. And do you really think that there aren't Nigerians who can afford housing in estates like what's wrong with you. You sound like the average ignorant American or European can those Africans even afford food, can those Africans even afford water, can those Africans even afford housing. For someone who claims to be a radical leftist African your views on Africa are extremely western and quite literally outlandish and weird 1 Like

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 5:45pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: You keep repeating Dubai - the desert outpost - like it's any different from Qatar or Saudis or any of those rich nations. Those are just oil rich nations trying to divest - remove Oil and they die. There is a lot of difference regional or sub-continentally for trade to thrive. We can import cocoa from Ghana - and you can import Tea from kenya. Now you import Tea from England - and we import Chocolate from Swiss. Both do not grow any cocoa or tea...the processing required for tea and cocoa is minimal..it mostly packaging. There is nothing high-tech...we should only import machinery and high tech from them..not tea or chocolate. Obviously there is scope for international trade - generally Africa should be doing 50-50 intra-africa and external But most countries do less than 10 percent Intra-africa trade is non-existent except for few countries like Kenya. Look at Oil - it goes to India - and come to Kenya and Africa - after processing. And it comes when prices has trippled. no charlie, dubai is the world business hub, the government there is pro business and therefore create a flow trade for commercial industry to strive side by side and yes, the oil money was used to create the infrastructure for trade. More than half of the gaint conglomerate of the world operate there. There aren't as conservative to oil like qatar. She is the trading hub of the world. And to the rest of your question. I have answered it already. Business only thrives based on demand . Even if you have the ability to supply, there must be demand. It is unproductive to have ivory coast Cocoa in Ghana unless there is a demand for it. 2 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 5:49pm On Sep 18, 2021

You're incorrigible. Why would you want to sell Cocoa to Ivory coast. You need to collaborate and force the EUs to a wall. But there are many things you can trade btw yourself. There are many things East of Ghana can trade with West of Ghana. Many things North of Ghana can trade with South of Ghana. Outside Ghana - within Ecowas - you can have thriving trade. Then you move to AFCTA. Then the rest of the world. vaxx: no charlie, dubai is the world business hub, the government there is pro business and therefore create a flow trade for commercial industry to strive side by side and yes the oil money was used to create the infrastructure for trade. More than half of the gaint conglomerate of the world operate there. There aren't as conservative to oil like qatar. It is the trading hub of the world. Amd to the rest of your question. I have answered it already. Business only thrives based on demand . Even if you have the ability to supply, there must be demand. It is unproductive to have ivory coast Cocoa in Ghana unless there is a demand for it. 1 Like

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 5:59pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: You're incorrigible. Why would you want to sell Cocoa to Ivory coast. You need to collaborate and force the EUs to a wall. But there are many things you can trade btw yourself. There are many things East of Ghana can trade with West of Ghana. Many things North of Ghana can trade with South of Ghana. Outside Ghana - within Ecowas - you can have thriving trade. Then you move to AFCTA. Then the rest of the world. is it you don't get my explanation or you are just arguing for the fun of it. I understand the importance of partnership for a weak nation hence the welcoming of the development of AFCTA. The reasons I so much appreciate it. The only way to force the world to its knees is the same way they have forced africa to its knees. Partnership. For you to get a product of africa to europe, the product must meet European standard. My contribution to this topic has been based on demand , competition/ comparative advantage and partnership. That is all. 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 6:16pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: Dont argue with data. Your parent wasted their money on you. Nigeria is poor. ADMIT THE PROBLEM and fix it. The entire North of Nigeria with 100M people - are full of Almajiris - and life there is no different from niger or chad. Admit the problem. I am arguing with data there's no way Nigeria has more people below the poverty line then India or China it's simply impossible Nigeria's middle class alone is 60 million, add on the upper class, upper middle class and the lower class and that should be well over 50 million people my estimate for people below the poverty line would be 70-90 million and in India the number would be much larger at 100-200 million people and do they count children in the poverty line system? Because Almajiris are children and as far as i'm concerned they only count the wealth of parents, and because someone is an Almajiri doesn't mean their parents are below the poverty line it simply means their parents want their learning islamic education and not western education but in some cases it is because they're poor but not always. And what position do you have to speak on how my parents spend their money you need to mind your own business because you know nothing about my standard of education my views on data concerning my country and my views on politics don't represent my educational status 4 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Abohboy: 6:23pm On Sep 18, 2021

Hueman: They’re managing fine if they are living longer than us Life expectancy isn't the sole metric for standard of living there's literacy, gdp per capita, doctors per 1000 people, standard of hospitald and education, water access, electricity access and quality of supply etc. You only using one metric and going with it shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to data collection and the standard of living in general North Korea is not a good example for any African country to follow you cannot discount the progress of capitalism rather we should see where capitalism was right and where it was wrong replace the places where it got it wrong and replace them with systems of socialism which is why the ideology of social democracy is best in my opinion your view is jsut anti capitalist no matter what and for whatever reason anti Nigeria in all shapes and forms whether there's progress or not you don't care just life expectancy like it's the only metric of progress and development. 4 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 8:02pm On Sep 18, 2021

Where are getting the data you're quoting? Abohboy: I am arguing with data there's no way Nigeria has more people below the poverty line then India or China it's simply impossible Nigeria's middle class alone is 60 million, add on the upper class, upper middle class and the lower class and that should be well over 50 million people my estimate for people below the poverty line would be 70-90 million and in India the number would be much larger at 100-200 million people and do they count children in the poverty line system? Because Almajiris are children and as far as i'm concerned they only count the wealth of parents, and because someone is an Almajiri doesn't mean their parents are below the poverty line it simply means their parents want their learning islamic education and not western education but in some cases it is because they're poor but not always. And what position do you have to speak on how my parents spend their money you need to mind your own business because you know nothing about my standard of education my views on data concerning my country and my views on politics don't represent my educational status

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 8:17pm On Sep 18, 2021

rvp2018: This is fact that Africans do not want to hear. To hear they must admit their own failures They want to blame slavery, colonialism, and neocolonialism Anything but take blame and responsibility. And of course fix the problem. For until you admit the problem..you cannot fix it. Slavery and colonialism ended a long time ago. If we are still blaming those things for Africa's backwardness then we are not ready to move forward. America went into a civil war because the northern part believed a country doesn't need slave labour to get rich if it could develop technology. The South wasn't ready to let the slaves go. Without slavery or colonialism Europe, Asia and northern America would still be where the are today and Africa would also be where it is. Our mindsets prove that.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 8:22pm On Sep 18, 2021

Abohboy: I am arguing with data there's no way Nigeria has more people below the poverty line then India or China it's simply impossible Nigeria's middle class alone is 60 million, add on the upper class, upper middle class and the lower class and that should be well over 50 million people my estimate for people below the poverty line would be 70-90 million and in India the number would be much larger at 100-200 million people and do they count children in the poverty line system? Because Almajiris are children and as far as i'm concerned they only count the wealth of parents, and because someone is an Almajiri doesn't mean their parents are below the poverty line it simply means their parents want their learning islamic education and not western education but in some cases it is because they're poor but not always. And what position do you have to speak on how my parents spend their money you need to mind your own business because you know nothing about my standard of education my views on data concerning my country and my views on politics don't represent my educational status Even if you count all the almajiris, India is still worse. Some reports show that the pandemic has worsened India's poverty rate. It was so badly hit, worse than Africa and would take years to balance. 3 Likes

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 8:31pm On Sep 18, 2021

vaxx: shut up , I just gave you example of a nation who does not produce nearly anything spectacular but she is prosperous. DUBAI. No, Dubai's wealth was built on the back of manufacturing. The UAE is the third-richest country in the world, below Luxembourg at number two and Qatar at number one, with a GDP per capita of $57,744. The bulk of its money comes from the production of goods and provision of services related to petroleum, petrochemicals, aluminium and cement.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vaxx: 8:36pm On Sep 18, 2021

obaaderemi: No, Dubai's wealth was built on the back of manufacturing. Lol....Dubai has no oil left, only 2% of its GDP is based on oil. Everything else is trade, trade in tourism, trade on finance, trade on entertainment and nowadays trade on real estate and health care. I don't know where your source come from? If a city is term wealthy in oil. it will be abu dhabi In United Arab Emirates and abu dhabi must trade the oil if not nobody is buying it .they can eat it . 1 Like

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Nobody: 8:59pm On Sep 18, 2021

Abohboy: Life expectancy isn't the sole metric for standard of living there's literacy, gdp per capita, doctors per 1000 people, standard of hospitald and education, water access, electricity access and quality of supply etc. You only using one metric and going with it shows your lack of knowledge when it comes to data collection and the standard of living in general North Korea is not a good example for any African country to follow you cannot discount the progress of capitalism rather we should see where capitalism was right and where it was wrong replace the places where it got it wrong and replace them with systems of socialism which is why the ideology of social democracy is best in my opinion your view is jsut anti capitalist no matter what and for whatever reason anti Nigeria in all shapes and forms whether there's progress or not you don't care just life expectancy like it's the only metric of progress and development. According to World Bank data, in 2016 the infant mortality rate in the DPRK was 15.1 cases per 1000 births. This is almost two times higher than China (8.5 cases), and five times the level of South Korea (2.9), but still lower than in the majority of developing countries. In India, for example, the infant mortality rate in 2016 was two times higher than the DPRK (33.9 cases versus 15.1) — and North Korea’s GDP per capita was merely half that of India’s. Should I go on