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The Boleyn Women: The Tudor Femmes Fatales Who Changed English History

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The Boleyn family appeared from nowhere at the end of the fourteenth century, moving from peasant to princess in only a few generations. The women of the family brought about its advancement, beginning with the heiresses Alice Bracton Boleyn, Anne Hoo Boleyn and Margaret Butler Boleyn who brought wealth and aristocratic connections. Then there was Elizabeth Howard Boleyn, who was rumored to have been the mistress of Henry VIII, along with her daughter Mary and niece Madge, who certainly were. Anne Boleyn became the king's second wife and her aunts, Lady Boleyn and Lady Shelton, helped bring her to the block. The infamous Jane Boleyn, the last of her generation, betrayed her husband before dying on the scaffold with Queen Catherine Howard.

The next generation was no less turbulent and Catherine Carey, the daughter of Mary Boleyn fled from England to avoid persecution under Mary Tudor. Her daughter, Lettice was locked in bitter rivalry with the greatest Boleyn lady of all, Elizabeth I, winning the battle for the affections of Robert Dudley but losing her position in society as a consequence. Finally, another Catherine Carey, the Countess of Nottingham, was so close to her cousin, the queen, that Elizabeth died of grief following her death.

The Boleyn family was the most ambitious dynasty of the sixteenth century, rising dramatically to prominence in the early years of a century that would end with a Boleyn on the throne.

304 pages, Hardcover

First published September 2, 2013

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Elizabeth Norton

37 books317 followers
Elizabeth Norton is a British historian specialising in the queens of England and the Tudor period. She obtained an Master of Arts in Archaeology and Anthropology from the University of Cambridge in 2003 and a masters degree in European Archaeology from the University of Oxford in 2004.

Elizabeth Norton is the author of five non-fiction works: She Wolves, The Notorious Queens of England (The History Press, 2008), Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII's Obsession (Amberley, 2008), Jane Seymour, Henry VIII's True Love (Amberley, 2009), Anne of Cleves, Henry VIII's Discarded Bride (Amberley, 2009) and Catherine Parr (Amberley, 2010).[2]' She is also the author of two articles: Anne of Cleves and Richmond Palace (Surrey History, 2009) [3] and Scandinavian Influences in the Late Anglo-Saxon Sculpture of Sussex (Sussex Archaeological Collections, 2009)

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1,224 reviews24 followers
March 28, 2020
Dear god. I abandoned this after a few chapters as the chaos of almost all the early Boleyn's having the same names left me terribly confused and my poor ole brain in danger of exploding. This would've been more interesting if the author had simply stuck to the Tudor women who were all in their own way interesting. Sadly too much early family information here.
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448 reviews4 followers
August 9, 2016
For those interested in the family history of the women who were both born and married into the Boleyn family, this provides a good read. Unfortunately, because there is so little written history related to females of this time, much has to be deduced based on household accounts and related doings of their male relations (husbands, brothers, etc.) We are provided with an introduction to many of these women but there is little in depth to be found. It is rather scholarly inclined (lots of footnotes) and comes across a bit dry in reading. I was tempted to skim through sections, particularly those on Anne and her daughter Elizabeth as there is much already documented on them both. The various relationships make you want to refer back to the family tree as much as possible to get them all straight. This was actually one book that I felt would do better in digital vs. physical form to allow the reader to click between the various members of the family to allow for cross-referencing.

Bottom line - will appeal to history buffs interested in the more minor characters surrounding the more well known of the Tudor/Elizabethan era.
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897 reviews26 followers
December 9, 2013
Source: Free copy from Amberley for the purpose of review.
Summary:
Anne Boleyn is infamous as being Henry's tumultuous second wife. Her sister Mary was known as his mistress; however, what do we know of the other Boleyn women who lived in the 13th (late 1200s) through 17th centuries (1603); each with ambitions, intelligence, and leaving their own mark in history.
The following women are depicted in The Boleyn Women:

Alice Bracton Boleyn
Anne Hoo Boleyn
Anne Boleyn Heydon
Margaret Butler Boleyn
Elizabeth Howard Boleyn
Mary Boleyn
Anne Boleyn
Anne Tempest Boleyn
Elizabeth Wood Boleyn, Lady Boleyn
Margaret (Madge) Shelton
Mary Shelton
Jane Parker Boleyn, Lady Rochford
Catherine Carey Knollys, daughter of Mary Boleyn
Lettice Knollys Dudley
Elizabeth I

Thoughts:
This is the third book I've read by Elizabeth Norton. In all three books I've come to enjoy the detailed significant research brought forth, certain points I'd not read about before, an unbiased opinion, and characters in history that are dimensional.
Anne Boleyn is the most interesting of all the Boleyn women. I've read several books on her and still, she is a complicated person to describe in one sentence. She's a polarity of character traits, maybe this is one of the reasons she's such an enigma. I'm reminded of the ole nursery rhyme: "When she was good she was very very good and when she was bad she was awful." Mary Boleyn did not seek to be more than a mistress, her sister Anne's ambitions were higher. I feel Elizabeth Norton gave me a strong view of Anne. Books on Anne that I've read before have focused on either a good and martyred Anne, or a villainous Anne.
I'd not read before of a "scuffle" between Anne and Henry's next wife Jane Seymour. I wonder if Henry was amused by this, angered, or if his already inflated pride swelled more?
Anne was a strong-willed woman, this personality trait rubbed Henry the wrong way after they were married, he wanted an obedient wife like Jane.
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Author 4 books25 followers
June 12, 2014
The story of the Boleyn women is a story of family loyalty and of ambition. Indeed. Norton traces the hunble origins of the Boleyn family and their connections, by marriage or through blood, with the de Clares, Bouchiers, Howards, Welles, and so many others from which they shared a connection with Jane Seymour's family. It is a great and emotional read about the women in this family and she presents it in such a way that you empathize with them and feel saddened at the end by their struggles and sacrifices.
Norton also offers new and interesting theories regarding some of the womeb, Mary Boleyn, Elizabeth Howard-Boleyn, Anne, Catherine Howard, Jane Parker-Boleyn, Catherine and Henry Carey (where she says that it was probably Catherine, out of the two, who was Henry' daughter, not Henry who was born at a time when the affair had ended),Mary Shekton (who she says was likely to be the "Madge" Chapuys was referring in his dispatches and while I was skeptical of this at first, she gives good evidence to prove her point), and so many others.
Norton also dispels the negative propaganda that has centered on Anne's immediate family, herself, her mother and her brother by pointing out that a lot of this was written years after their deaths by Elizabeth's enemies or former rivals who had an agenda of their own. One thing I didn't agree was leaning to the idea that while she was not fully guilty, that Jane Parker was still participant in her sister in law and husband's fall. She sets the record straight she is not the serpentine or lusty version of the six wives and Tudors respectively, but she doesn't do a lot to exhonorate her from her alleged involvement in their deaths. In reality there is no proof that she and George had a cold marriage or an unhappy one, Norton agrees but doesn't think she was all innocent. The real person who doomed them with her testimony (as did many others) was the Countess of Worcester.
The last chapter "the last Boleyn" I felt like it was rushed over with some facts being omitted to make Bess look better but overall it was a magnificent conclusion to a great book.
I highly recommend this, even if you're not interested in histiry, you will find this a delightful and captivating read.
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403 reviews46 followers
April 28, 2017
My love for Boleyn women only grew more reading Elizabeth Norton's book. As you can expect, it's about the Boleyn women, from the first one that rose to predominance in the fourteenth century to Queen Elizabeth I, and all her cousins through Mary Boleyn.

It was a lighter book that I expected but it was appreciated nevertheless because I read it in less time than I usually take with historic non fiction. It was my first time reading something from Elizabeth Norton and I was not disappointed, I'll be sure to read more of hers.
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Author 23 books87 followers
May 5, 2016

Norton traces the beginnings of the Boleyn family and shows that there were quite a number of Boleyn women worthy of attention before Anne and her daughter rolled onto the scene.

The problem, of course, is before Anne Boleyn was in Henry VIII’s line of sight, the Boleyn women were very much not on the scene, being very much a country family who were known and successful in their own county, but absolutely nowhere near the world stage.

This means that Norton doesn’t have a lot of primary sources to work with, but she is able to extrapolate quite a lot about these women’s lives from wills and grave memorials as well as that always useful cache of 15th century gossip – the Paston letters. Oh those gossipy Pastons!

Surprisingly, (or not, given the lack of primary sources) we already get to Anne Boleyn’s mother by the 50 page mark, and by 100 pages in we’re covering Mary Boleyn’s affair with Henry VIII. (“never with the mother” hehehe) Norton gives a fair amount of coverage to Mary Boleyn, acknowledging she was just as much a Boleyn as her sister and worthy of historical analysis. Norton, however, unlike Weir, comes down heavy on the slept-around-the-French-court theory.

Back to England as we follow more of the Boleyn family and their immediate relations. There is a Gordian knot of connections of parentage and marriage between Boleyns, Howards, Mowbrays, Beauforts, Sheltons, etc, plus, of course, all the passing around of titles to Norfolk, Sussex, Surrey, etc. It should all be headache inducing, but instead, I found it all absolutely hypnotizing to see the kaleidoscope of connections between members of the Tudor and Plantagenet courts and loooved getting this different perspective on how everyone I’d heard of before had these looooong backgrounds with everyone else.

This continues as Norton covers Anne Boleyn as courtier and then queen, showing how she was in the middle of a sea of family connections, some helpful, others hindrances, and she was navigating through decades worth of family-political alliances and feuds as well as the whole Reformation issue.

The dramatic fall of Anne Boleyn here focuses on the role various family members played and where everyone was when the Boleyn family suddenly lost their political capital. After that, Norton follows up on the various low key marriages, property settlements and estate planning all the Boleyn cousins settled into, most determined to keep their heads down after Anne’s spectacular failure.

Except, of course, for Lady Jane Rochford, who gets her own chapter so Norton can give the needed space to examining what might have happened and what on earth Jane was thinking.

After that debacle, Norton digs into Princess Elizabeth's childhood and I was surprised to learn that the Carey cousins (maybe half siblings), Henry and Catherine were, like, 99% chance, raised alongside Elizabeth and she retained a strong affection for them, especially since they all had the shared bonding experience of surviving the rocky reigns of Edward and Mary.

When she came to the throne, Elizabeth's cousins played some important roles at her court, and then, due to the fecundity of Mary Boleyn’s progeny, Queen Elizabeth had dozens of Boleyn relatives running around her court, arising some jealously from the other factions.

Norton does an excellent job examining the remarkable lives of the many Boleyn women and the part they played in British history.
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2 reviews
September 4, 2013
If you want a book that explains the whole research and arguments on why they think someone is someone than this is the book. The narrative it's not that good in my opinion and its really easy to get confused. Too many details.
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June 11, 2019
This title makes this book sound a helluva lot more salacious and naughty than it actually is. Most of the Boleyns that Elizabeth Norton describes here - and she goes back as far as research and genealogy is able to take her - are about as femme fatale-y as the current Queen of England. Norton's book starts out like one of those genealogy books you may find online detailing the history of your family: dry with lots of names and places and dates plucked off tombstones and baptismal and death records, with not much detail or story. Of course, once Mary Boleyn and Anne Boleyn enter the picture, the genealogy gets left in the dust and the story really starts. Norton takes us all the way through Queen Elizabeth, the ultimate Boleyn girl (but also, not a femme fatale). Of course, if you read Tudor history, much of this is retread, although Norton does take the time to puncture some myths - and puncture some scholarly research by other writers of Tudor history as well (here i one The Rise and Fall of Anne Boleyn). Although Norton never actually names names in the body of the book (she saves that for the notes), I loved this (respectful-ish) scholarly battling!

Also: Catherine Howard was a seventeen year old girl and Henry VIII was a fat, grumpy, 49 year old spoiled autocrat. That part always gets left out of the stories.
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858 reviews2 followers
March 21, 2018
DNF. I love the Tudors and Boleyns, and I thought this book would be perfect in understanding a little more about where Anne and her sister Mary came from, however this is written more as a reference book than a novel. There are SO many names and SO many dates and SO MANY PEOPLE thrown at you that I made it 12% of the way through before I realized I had no idea what the hell I had just read.

I skipped forward to read some of the other chapters (such as the one about Anne's mother, Elizabeth), but it was much of the same. It also doesn't help that so many people back then shared the same name...Thomas Boleyn, George Boleyn, Thomas Howard, Elizabeth Boleyn...there were numerous people with the same names but from different years. Some families even named two children the same name if one had passed away before the second was born.

If you're a DIE-HARD Boleyn fan, or you're doing a school report on the Boleyns, then this is a book for you. However if you're looking for any type of story, then move along, because this is NOT the book you are looking for.
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170 reviews
January 30, 2020
Anne Boleyn fans, unite!!! Elizabeth Norton's knowledge of the Tudor era and in particular the Boleyn family is absolutely breathtaking. I've read a LOT of books about Anne, and I still learned plenty from this book. The Boleyn family is replete with strong and powerful women who, for the most part, found ways to gain power and control despite living in the archetypal "man's world". I do wish there had been more information about the notorious Lady Rochford and Mary Boleyn, just because they seem to be particularly interesting characters. However, in a book that covers multiple generations of women, I respect that one can only give so much time to anyone who isn't Anne or Elizabeth I.

This book will especially help readers understand Anne's life, including the complicated issue of the Ormond inheritance that brought Anne back to England (and, unfortunately, to Henry VIII's attention). If you love Anne Boleyn or the Tudors, pick this book up! You'll definitely learn something about these awesome women.
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192 reviews33 followers
January 14, 2020
’They were rarely simply wives and mothers; sometimes they made history.’

This book starts with the origins of the Boleyns and goes into great detail for a great deal of the women of the family - not just the Anne or Mary everyone’s so familiar with. It’s a fascinating look at the lives of the gentry and nobility, and how the family rose steadily with generation - something which would have been impossible without these Boleyn women. It also includes Jane Boleyn and Katherine Howard, as well as going over the major events of the entire period, from all six of Henry VIII’s wives to all the huge issues of Elizabeth I’s reign. It was such an easy book to read and such a necessary one too, since these women are seldom written about in other books. Would definitely recommend to anyone interested in medieval or early modern history.
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Author 4 books60 followers
March 8, 2017
Elizabeth Norton’s book is a captivating and compelling read focusing on the women of the Boleyn family from the fourteenth century to the last Boleyn women, Elizabeth I and Catherine Carey, daughter of Mary Boleyn. Norton’s book focuses upon both the women who were born into the Boleyn line and also those that became Boleyn women through marriage. Her book traces the rise of the Boleyn women, from the earliest back in the thirteenth and fourteenth century who were land owners and members of minor gentry through the rise of the Boleyn’s through inheritance, marriage and simple clever planning and skill.

Throughout the centuries the Boleyn women were not just simple wives, sisters and daughters who were pale shadows compared to their husbands. Elizabeth Norton gives these women life, gives them a voice by which to tell their stories, their life’s adventures and their rise through not only marriage but also through their own skills and cunning. It is fascinating to read about these women, the stories of their lives, their time at court, the tragedies they faced and how they overcame the difficulties that surrounded them. As I said Norton’s book gives these Boleyn women a voice so that we the reader may hear their tales five hundred years after they have passed.

Norton’s book is brilliantly researched and it is obvious through the amount of detail that is put into the book that Norton has a strong love and interest in the women of the Boleyn family. Accompanying the book are wonderful pictures and portraits which provide the reader with, in some cases, faces of Boleyn women to stare upon. The photographs also show effigies, locations and people relevant to the life of various Boleyn women, all of which add an extra depth to the readers understanding of the women they are reading about.

I especially loved the section about Mary Boleyn (my personal favourite Boleyn woman!) It was interesting to read about her life, her relationship with Henry VIII and her daughter, Catherine Carey and her time at court.

Overall I thoroughly enjoyed Elizabeth Norton’s book on the Boleyn women. She did not simply focus upon Anne Boleyn, quite arguably one of the most famous women of the Boleyn family; instead Norton gave each woman their own section in which she brought their lives to the forefront and provided the reader with interesting and emotive information about them. This was a wonderful, captivating and thoroughly enjoyable book and I would recommend it to anyone interested in Tudor history or the study of women.
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September 30, 2018
I really enjoyed this book. It got very confusing (not the author's fault) because it seemed everybody was named Anne, or Elizabeth, or Catherine, or Margaret. There is the random Lettice or Philadelphia thrown in there but in ye days of yore they were not big on originality in names - actually naming siblings the same name, or if one child died naming another after him/her. (to the Irish that is bad mojo - like inviting the same fate for the second child as befell the first). So I would get confused especially since there were multiple Anne Boleyns, in the same family grouping at the same time. But it was very interesting and I love this period of history, so seeing this fresh perspective was very enjoyable.
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316 reviews
January 26, 2020
I read this book solely for the historical value in it. As I recently discovered in my genealogy research, Mary Boleyn is my something like 14th great grandmother, and I wanted to know more. Who wouldn't? And, books on this famous family abound.
It is basically a family tree of the Boleyns and those they married into, including the Howards, the extremely rich and poweful family carrying the premier title of Dukes of Norfolk and Earls of Arundel. There are also many interesting facts, and the author has an extensive bibliography listed.
I would only recommend this book to history buffs. It does not read like historical fiction, as it isn't, and it doesn't flow quite like some other works of history.
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May 23, 2020
This was a very enjoyable read which traced the women of the Boleyn family from the earliest beginnings through to Anne Boleyn and her daughter Elizabeth I. It depicts the rise of the family from humble beginnings to the royal positions they held in the 16th century. The early chapters of the book dealing with the Boleyns that are relatively unknown could seem rather confusing with so many characters but Elizabeth Norton does a sterling job of guiding the reader through the generations. With a scarcity of sources for the early Boleyns it is inevitable that numerous suppositions have to be made, but overall it is a well researched and thorough account.
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1,309 reviews37 followers
July 25, 2021
A fascinating look at one of the most influential families of the Tudor era, and the extraordinary women who were behind it all.
Some chapters are more compelling than others. There's an awful lot of space dedicated to the Boleyn women during the reign of Henry VIII, which makes sense because there is a lot of source material available to work from, but comparatively little given to Elizabeth I, whose reign and turbulent love life is brushed over in the last chapter.
It's a great book, and a great resource, especially for the lives of the earlier Boleyn women, about whom almost nothing is known but what little there is left is recorded here in tender detail.
34 reviews2 followers
May 21, 2017
This is a great book. One would ask therefore why I rated it 2 starts? Because, unfortunately it is also , in my opinion, a book for those of us who are writing maybe some kind of PhD, maybe some article. It's a little too boring for a "normal" person :(
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862 reviews18 followers
December 3, 2020
The Boleyn women are so fascinating. It was so interesting to hear about all the different women in the family.
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140 reviews
June 15, 2022
A great read into the lives of the Boleyn women, rather than the usual Anne and Jane Parker Boleyn it looked into the lives of earlier Boleyn ladies
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October 22, 2015
So much has been written about Anne Boleyn, the second wife of King Henry VIII of England, and mother of Queen Elizabeth I, in both fiction and non-fiction. In this book, Elizabeth Norton, looks at the Boleyn's from a new perspective, focusing on the women in the family, from those who were Boleyn's by birth, and including those who became Boleyn's through marriage. From humble beginnings in Norfolk in the thirteenth century, the family's prospects rose thanks to good marriages and keen ambition. Norton takes the readers on a journey, from the earliest Boleyn's on record, right up to Catherine Carey, daughter of Mary Boleyn (and possibly Henry VIII), whose daughter Lettice Knollys, married Lord Robert Dudley, favourite of her cousin the Queen. And Queen Elizabeth I herself, who died of grief following the death of Catherine Carey, Countess of Nottingham, another Boleyn woman.
Unfortunately due to lack of records, it is hard to get a full picture of the earliest Boleyn women, yet Norton does her best with the few records she has available. It does get confusing at times, with so many members of the family having the same name as well.
Whilst the sections on Queen Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth I don't exactly shed any new light or evidence that hasn't already been written about, Norton does give us a more clearer view of Elizabeth Howard Boleyn, mother of Mary, George and Anne, and grandmother of Elizabeth I, showing her to have perhaps been a more affectionate mother than she is often given credit for, as well as been sort out for advice on court etiquette. Likewise, the section on Jane Parker Boleyn, the infamous Lady Rochford, is interesting as Norton looks at her role in the fall of her husband and sister-in-law.
Thanks to prosperous marriages into the Bracton, Hoo, Butler and Howard families, as well as the keen ambition of Geoffrey Boleyn, who rose from apprentice hatter, to freeman of the city, to wealthy mercer, to member of parliament, to alderman, to Lord Mayor of London, the Boleyn family soon rose from humble Norfolk origins to high ranking nobility, and eventually married into royalty, and finally, with a Boleyn (Elizabeth I) ruling as Monarch. It is ironic to think that in just six generations from the family would go from prosperous peasant in Salle Norfolk, to succeeding to the throne of England in their own right. No other family in history have risen so high, fallen so greatly, only to rise again.
Ironically, Queen Elizabeth II, the current Monarch of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is also descended from the Boleyn family, through Mary Boleyn's daughter Catherine Carey (mentioned above). So the humble Boleyn ancestors from Norfolk, still have a descendant on the throne today.
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759 reviews45 followers
January 24, 2014
An excellent survey of the women of a family both famous and infamous. Elizabeth Norton's research into the women of the Boleyn clan is extensive and thorough, and she writes in such a way that the reader is kept interested from cover to cover.



I absolutely loved reading this book on my kindle. So much fun and definitely recommended.
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48 reviews25 followers
April 20, 2015
Very enjoyable. Norton sets herself the task of following the story of the Boleyn woman from humble beginnings to Queens of England in two centuries and en route gives us a glimpse into the lives of mediaeval and Tudor women in the broader sense. In an age when marriage was truly a transfer of ownership from man to man, when women were forbidden to own property and thus not allowed to make wills and were expected to be subservient to fathers, brothers and husbands, the Boleyn women who emerge from these pages are strong, stubborn and often downright sassy. This is an excellent romp through the history and I found it hard to put down. Even the somewhat patchy editing did not detract from my enjoyment and I can heartily recommend it to anyone interested in the period in general and women's history in particular.
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Author 2 books58 followers
January 14, 2016
Review - This book was very well put-together. It offers a full view of the Boleyn family, particularly the women, from the first known Boleyn down through the reign of Elizabeth I. The family connections are drawn together well to create an atmosphere of family and connections which influenced the later women in the line. Norton could have done with a little more explanation of the family connections, as it did get a little confusing at times, particularly in the first few chapters where less is known. Nonetheless, definitely worth a read.

General Subject/s? - History / Tudors / Henry VIII / Elizabeth I / Anne Boleyn / Politics

Recommend? - Yes.

Rating - 18/20
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146 reviews10 followers
March 6, 2016
Very interesting book about the Boleyn women and the Boleyn family in general. It could've been improved with more content actually about the women (through their diaries, letters etc.) rather than statistics/facts about them but given how much information was already in the book and the sheer scope of it I can see why this would've been a tricky challenge. The attention given to Mary Boleyn (Anne Boleyn's sister) and to Anne Boleyn's aunts was quite refreshing, as was the information about how the Boleyn family rose to power and began to lose this after Anne Boleyn's own fall as queen.
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Author 73 books2,207 followers
December 17, 2013
I always want to know about the ancestors of important people. This book goes up and down the Boleyn family tree, but doesn't give you more than an accounting of the many female sprouts on its branches. There is not much information that we don't already know- and I wish there was more on Elizabeth's interesting cousins Lettice and her daughter Penelope Rich.
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40 reviews7 followers
March 13, 2014
Suprisingly good. It's not just about Anne and Mary - but about thier grad-granndmothers and ants. The Boleyn women, as it appears, were really great, fiesty and progressive for the era.
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221 reviews
January 6, 2015
Great style and information on the female side of this provocative family.
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