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Numbering[edit]

Eric XI of Sweden and Eric XII of Sweden is the same person. There was an interreign beteen his periods as king. Why should he have two different numbers becuase of this? Seems confusing...Dan Koehl 11:18 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)

  • I believe that Eric XII actually is Eric Magnusson who was co-regent with his father - Magnus II. sv:Erik Magnusson When searching at google I see two differnet versions. One that says that Eric XI of Sweden and Eric XII are the same person and another version says that Eric XII is Erik Magnusson. Jeltz 16:56, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)

Language[edit]

The following comment was moved from the article. (The first long paragraph, relatively encyclopedic, was left in but refactored.) - Montréalais

On the spelling of Swedish names: Swedish has been a written language for more than a thousand years, but spelling has not been fixed or stable for more than 70 years. During the 1920s, several words were spelled with ä (a-umlaut, the same character used in German) that are now spelled with e. In 1907 an official spelling reform was made in Swedish schools, replacing "hv", "fv" and some occurrences of "-f" with "v" and "dt" with "tt". For example, the English word "which" is still spelled "hvilken" in Danish, but "vilken" in Swedish - the "h" is silent anyway. During the 19th century, older spellings with "w" and "qv" were replaced with "v" and "kv", respectively. Further back, more changes had taken place. This also effects personal names. For example, the Swedish name "Per" might be spelled "Pär". Most often, one person spells his own name in only one of these ways, but in historic times, the spelling variants could change from one year to another. Swedish king Gustav Vasa in the 16th century spelled his own name Göstaff and various historic documents use Gustaff or Gustaf or Gustave (if in France) or Gustaw. Some Swedish historians have used the convention of spelling kings' names with f and c during their lifetime (Gustaf, Carl, Oscar) and with v and k after their lifetime (Gustav, Karl, Oskar), which is certainly confusing and not in line with any English customs. Add to this confusion that Karl XII is known throughout Europe as Carolus (the Latin form of his name), that John is the English form and Johann is the German form of Johan, and that king Sigismund was also the king of Poland.

Adding a question to this confusing list regarding spellings: Why is Olof Skötkonung´s given name spelled in Norwegian way, Olaf? (A Swedish king, on an English encyclopedia, spelled in Norwegian? Although, instead of babbling about this, it seems wise, that those persons who are interested, tries to find common terms in the way of spelling, and start writing articles about the persons, rather than arguing what they should be called for centuries? My suggestion: unless there is English records, with a certain spelling, why not use the Swedish. (also added some Magnus I, Birger I, and such, although such numbers were never used in Sweden until Eric XIV of Sweden. While starting describing the persons, we might just in the end be able also to name them properly here?
The main purpose of this list (and Wikipedia naming conventions in general) is to avoid duplicate articles for any one person who is known by several names. So if there's no article already, and you know that someone is more well-known by a name that's different from the one on this list, you should just go ahead and change it here (and by all means go ahead and write an article on him if you can). I certainly think it is right to use a Swedish spelling (Olof) rather than a Norwegian (Olav) or Danish (Oluf) form in a list of Swedish monarchs. -- Someone else 03:15 Dec 3, 2002 (UTC)

This Wikipedia is in English, and any English practice should be used. For a Swedish text, I would use the same spelling versions as are used by the Swedish Nationalencyklopedin (http://ne.se/): 


Swedish		English			Latin
ne.se			encarta.com
-----------------	-------------------	---------
Adolf Fredrik
Erik XIV		Eric XIV
Fredrik I		Frederic I
Gustaf Wasa	- title of an opera play from the 18th century
Gustaf Vasa	- name of a parish in Stockholm, created in 1906
Gustav Vasa		Gustav Vasa		Gustavus Vasa
Gustav II Adolf	Gustav II Adolph	Gustavus Adolphus
Gustav III		Gustav III
Gustav IV Adolf	Gustav IV Adolph
Gustaf V		Gustav V
Gustaf VI Adolf	Gustav VI Adolph
Johan III		John III
Karl Knutsson		Charles VIII
Karl IX		Charles IX
Karl X Gustav		Charles X Gustav
Karl XI		Charles XI
Karl XII		Charles XII		Carolus
Karl XIII		Charles XIII
Karl XIV Johan		Charles XIV John
Karl XV		Charles XV
Carl XVI Gustaf	Carl XVI Gustaf
Kristian I		Christian I
Kristian Tyrann	Christian II
Kristina		Christina
Magnus Ladulås		Magnus I
Magnus Eriksson	Magnus II
Margareta		Margaret I
Oscar I		Oscar I
Oscar II		Oscar II
Sigismund		Zygmunt III
Ulrika Eleonora

Swedes, other than monarchs: 

Carl von Linné					Carolus Linnaeus

Paying subscribers of ne.se can look up "Sverige: Regenter", http://www.ne.se/jsp/search/article.jsp?i_art_id=320855&i_sect_id=491027

Paying subscribers to encarta.com can look up "Royalty(nobility): Swedish", http://encarta.msn.com/find/lists.asp?id=202686

Suiones kings[edit]

I guess this is a list of ancient kings over Suiones? Rogper 20:46, 16 May 2004 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moved off the main page. The list should contain a numer of Karls and Erics to account for the numbering of later kings. It shows none. Some kind of source is required to show that this actually is, at least part, of valid list and not just a prank.

  • 318 Vanlandi Svegdasson
  • 329 Visbur Vanlandasson
  • 360 Domaldi Visbursson
  • 381 Domar Domaldasson
  • 402 Dyggvi Domarsson
  • 423 Dag Dyggvasson
  • 444 Agni Dagsson
  • 465 Alrek Agnasson
  • 486 Yngvi Alreksson
  • Alf Elfsi Agnasson
  • 507 Jorund Yngvasson
  • 529 Ani The Aged Jorundsson
  • 571 Ottar Vendel Crow Egilsson
  • 592 Adils Ottarsson
  • 614 Eystein Adilsson
  • 636 Ingvar Eysteinsson
  • 658 Braut-Anund Ingvarsson
  • 680 Ingjald Braut-Onundss Evilheart
  • ?
  • Erik
  • 830 Björn i Birka (from Vita Anskarii)
I added Erik and Björn i Birka (Björn from Birca). // Rogper 20:46, 16 May 2004 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Spelling again[edit]

Moving the following text from the main page. It probably belongs somewhere, not sure where though:

On the spelling of Swedish names: Swedish has been a written language for more than a thousand years, but spelling has not been fixed or stable for more than 70 years.

During the 1920s, several words were spelled with ä (a-umlaut, the same character used in German) that are now spelled with e. In 1907 an official spelling reform was made in Swedish schools, replacing "hv", "fv" and some occurrences of "-f" with "v" and "dt" with "tt". For example, the English word "which" is still spelled "hvilken" in Danish, but "vilken" in Swedish - the "h" is silent anyway.

During the 19th century, older spellings with "w" and "qv" were replaced with "v" and "kv", respectively. Further back, more changes had taken place. This also effects personal names. For example, the Swedish name "Per" might be spelled "Pär". Most often, one person spells his own name in only one of these ways, but in historic times, the spelling variants could change from one year to another.

Swedish king Gustav Vasa in the 16th century spelled his own name Göstaff and various historic documents use Gustaff or Gustaf or Gustave (if in France) or Gustaw. Some Swedish historians have used the convention of spelling kings' names with v and c during their lifetime (Gustav, Carl, Oscar) and with f and k after their lifetime (Gustaf, Karl, Oskar), which is certainly confusing and not in line with any English customs.

Add to this confusion that Karl XII is known throughout Europe as Carolus (the Latin form of his name), that John is the English form and Johann is the German form of Johan, and that king Sigismund was also the king of Poland.

/ Mic 10:47 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)

Merger?[edit]

Wouldn't it be appropriate to merge this list into King of Sweden? --Jao 06:18, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Unresolved naming issues for the Swedish monarchs[edit]

Currently there are a number of unresolved issues regarding the naming of Swedish monarchs. This is a brief summation of the most immidiate issues.

Not wikilinked[edit]

  • Halsten (Halsten)
  • Haakon the Red (Håkan Röde)
  • Halsten and Ingold I (Halsten and Inge (I) den äldre)
  • Blot-Sweyn (Blot-Sven)
  • Ingold I (Inge (I) den äldre)
  • Philip Halsten (Filip Halsten)
  • Ingold II (Inge (II) den yngre)
  • Magnus the Strong (Magnus den Starke Nilsson)

Numbering when there should be no numbering[edit]

These monarchs did not use numbering and numbering is not generally used in Swedish.


With Erics, there is a problem if a numeral is not used. Thus, use it. Sverkers, same recommendation.

Canute: he could be King Canute the Great and the second: King Canute the Tall

These two Charlies: either numeral, or "Charles Sverkerson", "Charles Knutson".

John I of Sweden could even be "King John of Sweden", if the only rival be "John III of Sweden" (he USED the numeral).

wally: King Valdemar of Sweden (after all, the only one in known history)

mannes: King Magnus Ladislas, King Magnus Birgerson

Gustavus, Gustav or Gustaf[edit]

What spelling should be used. Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

I have renamed the articles on Gustaf V and Gustaf VI Adolf to use the native Swedish spelling ("Gustaf") rather than any other form, per Wikipedia:Proper names#Personal names. Someone more acquainted with the earlier monarchs' given names in Swedish may care to move them as well. To quote from the aforementioned document, "As proper nouns these names are always first-letter capitalized, and transliterated into English spelling but generally not Anglicized or translated between languages." Since these are relatively recent names, this seems more clearcut to me than with the earlier monarchs, but I tend to feel that if the native Swedish form is known for certain, it should be used. — JonRoma 23:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'v reverted those page moves. Having some Swedish royals as 'Gustav' & others as 'Gustaf', is simply an eye sore. GoodDay 23:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Charles, Carl or Karl[edit]

Should the English form Charles be used, should the Swedish konvention Karl be used or should the form Carl, commonly preferred by the monarchs themselves, be used. Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

Charles. This is english Wikipedia. 213.243.157.114 01:35, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Frederic, Friedrich or Fredrik[edit]

Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

Adolphus, Adolph or Adolf[edit]

Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

This is an English Wikipedia material. Thus, English name variants. Consistently. Gustav xx Adolph. Adolph Frederick.

Any other page to redirect to the chief page.

213.243.157.114 01:34, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Not only a Swedish monarch (naming/number problem)[edit]

These also affects naming conventions for other thrones.

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Queen Margaret". Simply. (Only one worry: that MIGHT be needed as an ambig.page.) After all, she was the most important of that name. 213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Eric of Pomerania".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "King Christoffer".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "King Charles Knutsson".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Christian I of Denmark".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "King Hans of Denmark".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Christian II of Denmark".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Sigismund Vasa". 213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Double names[edit]

These monarchs have double names according to Swedish convention. Should it be applied consistently.

Additional naming conflicts exists and should be added. Any comments regarding the naming issues or whether a convention should be consistently applied, and in such an event which? -- Mic 11:45, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Queen Ulrika Eleonora should be "Ulrika Eleanor of Sweden".

Question: why is it Charles VIII? when wear the previous 7 kings of Sweden named that?

I explained this at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)/Archive 3#Monarchical Title (Spain). -- Jao 10:33, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

So am i to understand that which ever form of the name they may have used (Karl, Carl, Charles)....that there were no previous to that before Charles VIII?

Infobox template[edit]

Does the infobox used for the Swedish monarchs exist as a template anywhere? Fornadan (t) 13:22, 29 May 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Folkung vs Bjälbo[edit]

The House of Folkung is actually the House of Bjällbo since the folkung is modern reconstruction of the name of the House. Filled in a few missing regents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.47.254.240 (talk)

In either case, these "names" for medieval dynasties and other families are not contemporary but given by later scholars, and thus always somewhat arbitrary. But Folkungaätten, despite possibly being historically incorrect, is actually the name used by modern historians. Can you cite any major reference work calling the family anything else? up◦land 07:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Missing Karls[edit]

The article says:

There are lists of Swedish pagan monarchs with dates far older than these. These records contain the early kings, of the House of Yngling, and give an explanation to the numbering of the monarchs, particularly the names Erik and Karl (Eric and Charles)

This is correct for "Erik" but not for "Karl"; the lists of Semi-legendary kings of Sweden and Mythological kings of Sweden include no Karls. So why do the Karls start at VII? A note on Talk:Charles VII of Sweden suggests that Charles IX of Sweden deliberately inflated his regnal number. Is this right? This article should explain the anomaly. Gdr 19:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Both Eric XIV and Charles IX took numbers influenced by the pseudohistorical work of Johannes Magnus, but I don't remember the details. I should add that serious historians of medieval Sweden never use these numbers. I don't like their use here, but don't feel like trying to modify the naming standard right now. I hope somebody else will do something about this eventually... up◦land 19:54, 2 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities) The answer is that Charles VII (Sverkersson) was the first historical king named "Karl" according to tradition. The other 6 were inventions of Johannes Magnus (not Charles IX) according to Nordisk Familjebok (1955 edition). They aren't included in the mythological and semi-legendary kings since those either existed or had at least been invented early enough to not be disprovable. The fact that Johannes Magnus is responsible for the numbering scheme is mentioned on the Swedish version of the list. Consider merging that into the english version. --BluePlatypus 00:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gustav & Gustaf (again)[edit]

It's Gustav I to Gustav IV Adolph, then Gustaf V and Gustaf VI Adolf. What? Not to get into Linguistic arguments, but these monarch names should be spelt the same (either all 'Gustav' or 'Gustaf'). Plus Gustaf V and Gustaf VI Adolf articles should've had discussions first, before there movements from 'Gustav V' and 'Gustav VI Adolph'. GoodDay 01:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've restored the pages Gustav V and Gustav VI Adolf. Since the particular pages had no discussions on the 'name' change. GoodDay 00:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The convention in Sweden is that a living king bearing this name is called Gustaf but after death, in historical writing and so on (including encyclopaedias, literature on royal buildings and decorations and, I think, tombs) they are referred to as Gustav. Thus Gustav Vasa, Gustav V but Carl XVI Gustaf. Same with Karl vs Carl. Queen Christina is referred to both as Kristina and Christina, but more often Kristina. This of course is slightly confusing when the names are posted in a foreign encyclopaedia, and I'm fine with Gustaf (and a redirect on Gustavus and perhaps Gustav) for the kings concerned, as that is how they were known in their lifetime and we shouldn't make it more complicated than it is. Swedish books referring to the kings of other European copuntries freely change their names into the Swedish forms: Vilhelm Erövraren (William the Conqueror), Frans I (Francois I), Ludvig XIV (Louis XIV) and so on; don't most languages? Strausszek (talk) 23:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Table[edit]

I rewrote the list using a table, in the same way as for example the english monarchs are listed. It helps to distingush different king if you have a pictures in the list too. I hope I've got all the facts right too.

I didn't search too thoroughly for the birth and death facts so one can possibly find more info. Also I copied the info straight of other wikipages so for example the dates are written in a variety of formats. The red/yellow markings of Erik/Sverker -family might be a little bit screamy, although I thought it's good to have some clear marker as of what family each king belonged to. Magnus Andersson (talk) 08:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well done! But, I think Anund Gårdske should be coloured as Christian.--Berig (talk) 10:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, Yes you are right. It'll be better to just mark those who belong to House of Stenkil instead, Magnus Andersson (talk) 11:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Constitutional monarchy[edit]

Currently the article says that Sweden has been a constitutional monarchy since 1974. This is in my mind clearly erroneous. The article on constitutional monarchy defines it as "a form of government in which a monarch acts as head of state within the parameters of a constitution, whether it be a written, uncodified or blended constitution. This form of government differs from absolute monarchy in which an absolute monarch serves as the sole source of political power in the state and is not legally bound by any constitution."

It is arguable that, with the exception of the Caroline and Gustavian absolutisms, Sweden has been a constitutional monarchy for a very long time. The very earliest national law, that of King Magnus Eriksson, specifies that the king is to be elected by representatives of the provinces, and that he is bound by oath to carry out a list of duties. Certainly by the Age of Liberty, there is a written constitution which specifies a division of powers between King and Parliament in the same way as a modern-day constitution.

What has happened here (which is not an uncommon mistake) is that the concept of a constitutional monarchy has become confused with that of a ceremonial monarchy. The development of the Swedish monarchy from a form of government where the King was very much in the driving seat, personally leading the political development (as under Charles XIV John during the early-to-mid 19th century) to the present-day situation was gradual, but the year 1917, when the King finally had to accept that the government was to be held accountable to Parliament (instead of to the King personally) is generally regarded as a watershed moment. From that moment on, the King did not exercise any significant degree of political power. However, it wasn't until 1974 that the King lost his de jure powers to appoint ministers and make political decisions. David ekstrand (talk) 21:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, I am not sure whether it is correct to say that the Swedish kings have "opted" to adhere to parliamentarianism since 1917. It wasn't like Gustaf V one day woke up and decided to let his government be accountable to Parliament rather than to himself. Rather, he was compelled to, because of the political situation. I decided to rewrite the section on the modern history of the Swedish monarchy. One could of course question the layout of the "History" section as it stands: the only time it goes into any detail about what the Swedish kings have been able to do or not is for the 20th century. There is plenty of history not included, to say the least. But the 20th century marks such a fundamental transformation in both the political and the constitutional position of the Swedish monarchs that it may well be worth mentioning. David ekstrand (talk) 22:05, 10 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Olof II Bjornsson[edit]

I was doing research on Olof (II) Bjornsson. I found his page and there was a link to this page. His page says he reigned c.970 -975. However, he is not on the list for this page. I don't know much about Swedish History and leave it to a better historian to determine if he should be added to this list or the link should be removed from his page. I am leaving a similar comment on its talk page. Its talk page from 2010 states he was "not recognized officially as king." But nothing has been changed since.Mellie107 (talk) 07:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image[edit]

The image currently used in the info box for this article, although technically correct, is almost exclusively used by the Swedish National Police. Why isn't the great coat of arms, normally used for the royalty, use here? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:52, 24 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vandalism 23 January 2013[edit]

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Would someone please revert all the vandalism done on 23 January 2013, i.e. all the edits of that date, and warn the IP and the user? Thanx! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 03:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've reverted and warned the user. Any reason for not doing so yourself? Huon (talk) 04:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! I don't have rollback rights, or whatever its called. SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Missed the 3 IP edits which are still there. Sweden has had no king named "Aaron Blom". --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:23, 25 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doesn't look as if any were missed, it seems Huon got them all. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:54, 25 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For the record, you don't need rollback rights for something like this. You can have a look at the relevant diff (here this one) and will find that on the right it says something like: "Revision as of 05:57, January 23, 2013 (edit) (undo)". "Undo" works as advertised - well, not any more since by now there is an intervening edit, namely my own, but it would have worked when the vandalism wasn't reverted yet. Huon (talk) 12:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you again! Is it preferred that I do something like this 1 by 1, 7 edits in all, rather than someone doing all 7 at once? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd say revert all vandalism at once to the last good version; in fact, that's precisely what I did. Do whatever is faster for you; there's no need to spend more time on reverting vandalism than absolutely necessary. Huon (talk) 03:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wrong table headers[edit]

Table columns other than the first and last are wrongly titled, as follows:

  • Name: contains the name and (when there is one) the number for that name, as well as the dates of reign
  • Number: contains the portrait, or sometimes an empty cell
  • Portrait: contains the birth date
  • Coronation: contains the spouse's name
  • Death: contains the death date, and often the age at death and/or the cause of death

Since these headers come from a template I don't dare change the template for fear of introducing errors in other pages using it. — Tonymec (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rollback[edit]

I rolled back 2 edits with excessive gegealogical info not needed there. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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"It seems" non-contemporary[edit]

Twice now in the last few days, latest with "it seems" as a reason in the edit summary, the image of King Magnus IV has been tagged as non-contemporary although there is nothing to support such a claim on either of the two pages holding the image at Commons, where it clearly is dated 1350 in both cases. Unless that is addressed, I will be removing the incorrect tag again soon. Unsourced allegations at Swedish Wikipedia are not reliable sources for such things on English Wikipedia. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The law was issued in 1350. The particular codex the image was taken from could have been created much later. The information on Commons is faulty in many respects, as the image is not from Codex Aboensis (that can be found here). It might instead be from a codex containing Magnus city law, B 154, created in th 15th century. I have a picture of one page of it, which is similar in style to this one.
Michael Nordberg in his I kung Magnus tid notes that there are no portraits of Magnus, apart from a seal made when he was about five years old, and possibly some sculptures in Trondheim cathedral. The image is thus clearly non-contemporary, regardless of exactly where it is from.
Andejons (talk) 18:09, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do you have a source for that, regarding this particular image specifically? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see now that Svanberg in his book about royal portraits of the period (p. 176) says that the image is from Codex B 68 dated 1430. Thus I concede that the portrait is not contemporary and will make the needed adjustment at Commons. What I mainly reacted to here was "It seems" as a reason to edit war. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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