Biggie's pedophile lyrics about Raven Symone?

Peg said:

i just don't remember Biggie being THAT big of a star until after his death... he and Tupac's fame and importance were manufactored much in the same way the Kards are....

radio after radio after magazine after news report talked about how important they were to the black community and they just werent

I really hate how these idiots have been put on a pedestal since they are spewing raw sewage into the minds of our people

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I agree with you about Biggie, but not Tupac. Biggie got more famous after he died thanks to Puffy and his PR machine. Tupac was a bonafide star who had already branched out to acting. Tupac would have had an amazing career if he had lived. He definitely has a better catalog than Biggie.

blahdyblah said:

I am a biggie fan. In his defence those lyrics are not literally what he did in real life. It's story telling and it is very imaginative and extreme although in a bad way obviously. He is talking about what bad things his persona would be capable of, in order to express how extreme he is. Like when Bob Dylan sung I shot the sheriff? bob Dylan didn't shoot a sheriff. Tupac released many many more albums but the production was weak on many songs. Biggie released fewer songs but they were all of higher quality. Tupac said plenty of misogynist things. He was convicted of rape and his defence was weak, he said he had sex with the victim consensually then he fell asleep and woke up feeling like he'd been drugged by someone. And said that while asleep his homeis had consensual/or not consensual sex. I can't remember everything but if you research it he agreed with her version of events 100% exactly, except. For saying he fell asleep and had been drugged. And there was no evidence that anyone drugged him and he couldn't explain how anyone put drugs in him. Ppl say "he didn't have to" rape but rape isn't something ppl do because they "can't get" consensual sex. Also if you read the book about death row records (it has a red cover was released 2-3 years ago, many of Tupac peers didn't like him cuz he wasn't in real life like the persona he put forward .. for example he shouted out someone who had died but he wasn't friends with that person and ppl in this instance felt he was just using real life tragedies as material to make money off songs. Like not caring, just using. I guess nowadays ppl will call out things that biggies lyrics said. But at the time ppl just saw it as like art depicting imaginary evil person boasting how extreme/evil they are. Like wen actors depict serial killers, rapists, murdered, pedophiles in movies. ? Although I understand that if raven heard it as a kid maybe that's not atall cool, but probably she never listened to rap when she was a kid? Sorry if I'm out of line here, maybe I am.

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i know rape isn't about not being able to get. The point is, if he wanted to exert his power or control he could have just told her to get out and get another female who would gladly relinquish control - if that was if it was about. If my memory serves me correct she consented. He finished and that was thaf. Now his homie might have raped her while he was sleep. I just never believed it.

Peg said:

I'm saying that the level of fame that they had during their lives was far overshadowed by what the machine created postmortem to manipulate our impressionable children and create revenue for the corps that owned their image.

Tupac was not important. Malcom X was important, Neil Degrasse Tyson is important, Condoleeza Rice and Oprah Winfrey are important.

Tupac and Biggie were children telling the tale of damaged and talented young men for ENTERTAINMENT.

There is no complexity in being an asshole one minute and throwing a bone of sweetness the next -- at it's worst thats just manipulation -- at its best its just human nature.

His words were only profound to those with little knowledge of history, self and human nature -- young people and people with little education or perspective ... and that was his target audience and thats ok ----- but to continually set either of those men as leaders of black culture and groundbreaking in their impact on critical black thinking does us all a disservice.

Did they resonate with people -- yes.
Are the songs classic and widely known --yes
Were they eye openers to people who didn't use other methods to understand the world -- perhaps.

But important and valid -- no.

Tired, trite and an albatross upon the neck of our people - yes.

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For biggie? Yes. For Tupac no. As with any artist their sales tend to spike after death but Tupac had a career. He was big during his time out.

Tupac was important. With songs like Keep ya head up, Brenda's got a baby, dear mama, I wonder if heaven got a ghetto, changes, trapped, me against the world - just to name a few. Go through his catalog and you will see just as many conscious songs as well as party/ gangster type songs. Tupac always talked about the black community. He was a young raptivist. He was 25 when he died. So of course some songs will be about immature things like cars and "bitches" I'm sure had he lived beyond that age he would have evolved more. Tupac was ahead of his time.

O.o said:

I thought y'all were talking about this:

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I have never said this about anyone before, but those dang lyrics? Damn!!
May he rest in hell. I never paid attention to the fat phuck and I never will. He was on Puffy's payroll, NUFF said.

Demon!!!

Here is a link to both sides of the story re. Tupac rape case. Victim has also said she thinks the cops were really happy that they had sumn to prosecute PAC for and that they might not hav cared if it was anyone else who did it. But still, she says she was raped.. plus at the time she was given anonymity so if it happened today she might not hav gone thru doin a trial cus if being hated etc..like most victims don't report rape cus of not bein believed N bein hated etc.http://112kthorofm.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/the-rape-case-both-sides-of-story.html?m=1

Don't know where you heard that Tupac said he was drugged from. I read both sides of the story and Tupac basically said that he went in the other room and went to sleep. No mention of being drugged by anyone. Any way Tupac was introduced to the girl (that accused him of rape her name is Ayanna) at a club by someone. She then later proceeded to give him oral in the club in front of everyone. That right there should let you know about the content of her character. Later that night they proceeded to have consensual sex. The next day she came to his hotel room, her and Tupac went in the bedroom, she gave him a massage and then the other guys came in and Tupac left the room. Whether she was really raped by those guys, I don't know, but Tupac definitely had no parts in it. Tupac was initially accused of rape and sodomy but they found no evidence of forcible entry and no trace of semen.

That right there was actual proof that he did not rape her. So they dropped the rape charges. Tupac could have really gotten off because there was no evidence of rape. However he was a black man named Tupac Shakur who previously sued the Oakland police department for beating him up for jaywalking, the same black man that shot two off duty cops for harassing another black person and actually got off, and the same black man who had a black panther background. They didn't want to just let him off despite obtaining zero proof of rape, so they convicted him of sexual assault. In the end he was convicted of sexual assault not rape. The sexual assault charge was for forcibly touching the buttocks. So he basically went to jail for touching her ass which is bullshit because this is the same girl that sucked him off at the dance floor of a club, later had consensual sex with him, and even went to his hotel room the next day. If she didn't want him then why would she go to his hotel room?

The only thing you can say that Tupac was guilty of was for not protecting her from the other guys in the room. However I doubt Tupac really knew or thought that they were going to rape her. He looked at her as another groupie, when he noticed the guys were all up on her he probably assumed that she was down for it. Like she wanted to have sex or else she wouldn't be at the hotel room in the first place. So when he left the room and went to sleep, little did he know how it would all turn out.

Peg said:

wait... y'all are groaning and neg repping me in support of an abusive, misogynistic, drug dealing, serial cheating purveyor of death destruction and pedophilic music?

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Was the neg rep from [MENTION=184741]LalaSharp[/MENTION] because she negged me :highly_amused:

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CaramelBrown said:

Was the neg rep from @LalaSharp because she negged me :highly_amused:

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MISSterZ said:

tupac was bigger before the east coast west coast. Pac had been in movies. On tv. His career is almost double the time of biggie. His fame wasn't manufactured. He is a pilar of hip hop. Another font spelled it out. He was on his way to new heights when he died. ESP after those movies he completed at that time.

Changes was actually recycle verses from older songs. I wonder if heaven got a ghetto.

Pac was woke a long time ago. He has various interviews that could still hold up today 20 plus yrs later.

Tupac was convicted but to be honest I don't think he raped her. They had it out for him because he was a baby of the panther and expressed black empowerment in his songs. Tupac didn't have to rape anybody. They had been fuckin with him for years. So they were chomping at the bit for this. I feel like he was set up. I never believe that conviction. A conviction doesn't always mean guilt ESP for many black men in America.

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This idea that the police wanted to convict Tupac of gang rape as a conspiracy doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a conspiracy theorist. Why not murder? Something that requires more prison time?

But let's just say you're right. That there was a conspiracy to put Tupac in jail by the big bad police to silence him. From the year of his charge in 93 until 96, his death, what did he say or do that made him a threat?!? How was he so dangerous? How was he empowering? Empowering Black people to do what?

Jail is still the easiest place to organize Black men in the United States. He spent 9 months in jail, came out, made a few films, and recorded more music.

People want to create Tupac as a folkhero because it makes a great narrative, son of Black Panther turned crack addict, stepson of prisoner who robbed a Brinks truck & killed police officer, nephew of a liberated Black prisoner who's still free, come to lead poor under educated Black people to freedom.

But it didn't happen.

Peg said:

His words were only profound to those with little knowledge of history, self and human nature -- young people and people with little education or perspective ... and that was his target audience and thats ok ----- but to continually set either of those men as leaders of black culture and groundbreaking in their impact on critical black thinking does us all a disservice.

Did they resonate with people -- yes.
Are the songs classic and widely known --yes
Were they eye openers to people who didn't use other methods to understand the world -- perhaps.

But important and valid -- no.

Tired, trite and an albatross upon the neck of our people - yes.

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I believe the reason African Americans look to musicians as leaders is rooted in our perpetual landlessness.
Musicians are mobile figures who share culture and history in each performance.

But I do think Tupac and Biggie were groundbreaking. More Black youth in 2016 know the lyrics of Tupac or Biggie's catalog than even one speech (or book) by Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Walter Rodney, Huey Newton, and Stokely Carmichael, etc. (Keeping it male here on purpose)

These Black men ARE their leaders. That's dangerous because they moved us back into oral culture as history which is sobering in a world full of well-read people.

That's why I really believe more Black people, older Black people should make hip hop. Cut some speeches into songs. Put some messages into lyrics.

Make a trap beat with a Malcolm X sample. Give them something to bop to with a potent message.

SlayK Rowling said:

Work ethic : recorded the most songs in the shortest amount of time of ANY artist.

Activist: Leader of the new black panthers

Songwriting: Not only wrote songs from his own perspective but from that of drug dealers, prostitutes and Pimps that he knew ala Bob Dylan.

Thug Life: Started a movement to empower poor people who are forced/choose to break the law because they have nothing and are viewed by society as the lowest form of scum.

Dualism: Wrote songs that encompass multiple sides of an issue rather than just his own perspective.

Legend/Once in a lifetime style artist.

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You left out...violent,misogynist, gang banger, rapist.

Nana Peazant said:

This idea that the police wanted to convict Tupac of gang rape as a conspiracy doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a conspiracy theorist. Why not murder? Something that requires more prison time?

But let's just say you're right. That there was a conspiracy to put Tupac in jail by the big bad police to silence him. From the year of his charge in 93 until 96, his death, what did he say or do that made him a threat?!? How was he so dangerous? How was he empowering? Empowering Black people to do what?

Jail is still the easiest place to organize Black men in the United States. He spent 9 months in jail, came out, made a few films, and recorded more music.

People want to create Tupac as a folkhero because it makes a great narrative, son of Black Panther turned crack addict, stepson of prisoner who robbed a Brinks truck & killed police officer, nephew of a liberated Black prisoner who's still free, come to lead poor under educated Black people to freedom.

But it didn't happen.



I believe the reason African Americans look to musicians as leaders is rooted in our perpetual landlessness.
Musicians are mobile figures who share culture and history in each performance.

But I do think Tupac and Biggie were groundbreaking. More Black youth in 2016 know the lyrics of Tupac or Biggie's catalog than even one speech (or book) by Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Walter Rodney, Huey Newton, and Stokely Carmichael, etc. (Keeping it male here on purpose)

These Black men ARE their leaders. That's dangerous because they moved us back into oral culture as history which is sobering in a world full of well-read people.

That's why I really believe more Black people, older Black people should make hip hop. Cut some speeches into songs. Put some messages into lyrics.

Make a trap beat with a Malcolm X sample. Give them something to bop to with a potent message.

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The main thing is the court found no evidence that Tupac raped her. He shouldn't have served any jail time. He was found innocent for the rape charges but convicted of sexual assault. He went to jail for touching her ass which was a bullshit charge. This girl willingly gave up her mouth and vagina for him, so why is it all of a sudden taboo for him to touch her ass? Anyway Tupac was in a way seen as a threat. From before he was even born and all throughout his childhood and life the FBI was always watching and stalking him and his family because of his black panther background. At the time the black panther party was seen as a terrorist group. They were like Al Quaeda in the eyes of racist white people. Tupac sued the police department for beating him for jaywalking, and shot two white off duty cops for harrassimg a black person in which he got off. Even though he was innocent of the rape charges they didn't want to let him off so easily. The media portrayed him as some low life gangster that wanted to rape, kill, and rob people when that was far from who he was. They constantly defecated on his name and tried to destroy his career and legacy calling him a convicted rapist when he wasn't even convicted of rape, laughed about him getting shot, spread false rumors, prison guards were humiliating him, all to assassinate his character and image. Prison was definitely used as a tactic to silence and emotionally damage him.

blahdyblah said:

I am a biggie fan. In his defence

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stopped ---

you illiterate demonic creature you are BOUND!

MISSterZ said:

tupac was bigger before the east coast west coast. Pac had been in movies. On tv. His career is almost double the time of biggie. His fame wasn't manufactured. He is a pilar of hip hop. Another font spelled it out. He was on his way to new heights when he died. ESP after those movies he completed at that time.

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How old were you in 1996? Tupac was not an unknown but there were other rappers/rap groups who were more famous and more popular. His death cemented his fame. If Snoop Dogg had died in 1996 instead of Pac we'd be talking about how legendary Snoop Dogg was instead. And in fact Snoop Dogg was wayyy more popular than Tupac or Biggie (Before their deaths).

Lilly Ghalichi said:

she doesn't like men & she doesn't like black folks... what do you think she is going to say... someone tweet her ass these shit

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I meant like what she has to say about being sexualized by a popular figure at the age of 8.

kosul said:

I meant like what she has to say about being sexualized by a popular figure at the age of 8.

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that's why she hates men and black folks... lmao

AgnesGooch said:

How old were you in 1996? Tupac was not an unknown but there were other rappers/rap groups who were more famous and more popular. His death cemented his fame. If Snoop Dogg had died in 1996 instead of Pac we'd be talking about how legendary Snoop Dogg was instead. And in fact Snoop Dogg was wayyy more popular than Tupac or Biggie (Before their deaths).

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Ummm where did I say Tupac was the biggest star ever? Or unknown : I said Tupac DEFINATELY had fam and notoriety BEFORE he died. That's truth. He was in movies and tv shows. He was deemed controversial. His death didn't make him. Like it did biggie. It's like when Mj died and his music skyrocketed. It's just natural when someone dies their music and artistry is placed in focus.


i disagree with snoop being more popular. It was the same to me and slight edge in tupacs favor because he was always a lone person while snoop had dre by him and the. Tupac.

Nana Peazant said:

This idea that the police wanted to convict Tupac of gang rape as a conspiracy doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a conspiracy theorist. Why not murder? Something that requires more prison time?

But let's just say you're right. That there was a conspiracy to put Tupac in jail by the big bad police to silence him. From the year of his charge in 93 until 96, his death, what did he say or do that made him a threat?!? How was he so dangerous? How was he empowering? Empowering Black people to do what?

Jail is still the easiest place to organize Black men in the United States. He spent 9 months in jail, came out, made a few films, and recorded more music.

People want to create Tupac as a folkhero because it makes a great narrative, son of Black Panther turned crack addict, stepson of prisoner who robbed a Brinks truck & killed police officer, nephew of a liberated Black prisoner who's still free, come to lead poor under educated Black people to freedom.

But it didn't happen.



I believe the reason African Americans look to musicians as leaders is rooted in our perpetual landlessness.
Musicians are mobile figures who share culture and history in each performance.

But I do think Tupac and Biggie were groundbreaking. More Black youth in 2016 know the lyrics of Tupac or Biggie's catalog than even one speech (or book) by Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Walter Rodney, Huey Newton, and Stokely Carmichael, etc. (Keeping it male here on purpose)

These Black men ARE their leaders. That's dangerous because they moved us back into oral culture as history which is sobering in a world full of well-read people.

That's why I really believe more Black people, older Black people should make hip hop. Cut some speeches into songs. Put some messages into lyrics.

Make a trap beat with a Malcolm X sample. Give them something to bop to with a potent message.

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the other font answered your questions except between 93-96 Tupac was shot, on trial, and incarcerated until what early 95. I can't remember. Then he came out and went to work and busted out like 2-3 albums one was a double disk. And shot some more movies.

During that hat time he was silenced. When he came out of jail he had changed. He was kind of playing up to that lifestyle because of suge. And that's what ultimately killed him.

There were talks of him leaving Death row and starting his own company. He was I think engaged to Kiada jones at the time. That is hearsay tho. I don't how true it was


he just accomplished a lot from the short time he was released to when he was murdered.

I agree with a lot of that Nana -- but at some point we have to move on ( and I'm not talking about all of us) from oral and musical kinetic focus... sure we are awesome at it and it serves us well in some regards -- but there is so much we don't get because we don't know it's there -- I'm not talking about putting the history or ways of others before our own -- just refocusing our attention... I spent last weekend with 2 kids who knew all of the lyrics to every song on the radio, but didn't know of a single classic kids book -- like Black Beauty Oliver Twist type books -- those stories are important because they show us all the human condition and that others have overcome things similar to what we have gone through.... encouraging an intake of other forms of art and media will encourage our children to enjoy all of the world and their own history.

These people look to musicians as leaders because theyve been told that it's the summation of our culture -- that and slavery.

They get occasional snippets that there is something more and then get engulfed by nonsense again -- The adults ( and it's us now cause it was our generation that was raised on that filth) have got to take control and teach our kids about our ACTUAL LEGACY.

Parents need to read to their kids, Parents need to read themselves and the kids will then spend time reading..... I think we should reaffirm that musicians are entertainers and nothing more.

Parents should do more to talk about black intellectuals, politicians activists and captains of industry over the dinner table Baraka, DuBois, Coats, Perry, Williams may go over a 5 yo's head today, but they become accustomed to the ways of the world and adult conversation........

So many kids will sit and debate back and forth about who the greatest MC is with a seriousness and hightened memorization as if that shit really matters...

Turn on a podcast instead of the radio... watch a doc or a tutorial instead of sitcom....the things we do with them become what they do on their own.

Nana Peazant said:

This idea that the police wanted to convict Tupac of gang rape as a conspiracy doesn't make sense to me, and I'm a conspiracy theorist. Why not murder? Something that requires more prison time?

But let's just say you're right. That there was a conspiracy to put Tupac in jail by the big bad police to silence him. From the year of his charge in 93 until 96, his death, what did he say or do that made him a threat?!? How was he so dangerous? How was he empowering? Empowering Black people to do what?

Jail is still the easiest place to organize Black men in the United States. He spent 9 months in jail, came out, made a few films, and recorded more music.

People want to create Tupac as a folkhero because it makes a great narrative, son of Black Panther turned crack addict, stepson of prisoner who robbed a Brinks truck & killed police officer, nephew of a liberated Black prisoner who's still free, come to lead poor under educated Black people to freedom.

But it didn't happen.



I believe the reason African Americans look to musicians as leaders is rooted in our perpetual landlessness.
Musicians are mobile figures who share culture and history in each performance.

But I do think Tupac and Biggie were groundbreaking. More Black youth in 2016 know the lyrics of Tupac or Biggie's catalog than even one speech (or book) by Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Walter Rodney, Huey Newton, and Stokely Carmichael, etc. (Keeping it male here on purpose)

These Black men ARE their leaders. That's dangerous because they moved us back into oral culture as history which is sobering in a world full of well-read people.

That's why I really believe more Black people, older Black people should make hip hop. Cut some speeches into songs. Put some messages into lyrics.

Make a trap beat with a Malcolm X sample. Give them something to bop to with a potent message.

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but we probably come from different sides of the equation -- you are very knowledgeable about music and musicians and I can't stand sound :ne_nau:

Black people will always defend rappers. Especially men.

It's like it's in their DNA or something.

Lilly Ghalichi said:

that's why she hates men and black folks... lmao

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Oohh ok i see what your saying lol

Peg said:

I agree with a lot of that Nana -- but at some point we have to move on ( and I'm not talking about all of us) from oral and musical kinetic focus... sure we are awesome at it and it serves us well in some regards -- but there is so much we don't get because we don't know it's there -- I'm not talking about putting the history or ways of others before our own -- just refocusing our attention... I spent last weekend with 2 kids who knew all of the lyrics to every song on the radio, but didn't know of a single classic kids book -- like Black Beauty Oliver Twist type books -- those stories are important because they show us all the human condition and that others have overcome things similar to what we have gone through.... encouraging an intake of other forms of art and media will encourage our children to enjoy all of the world and their own history.

These people look to musicians as leaders because theyve been told that it's the summation of our culture -- that and slavery.

They get occasional snippets that there is something more and then get engulfed by nonsense again -- The adults ( and it's us now cause it was our generation that was raised on that filth) have got to take control and teach our kids about our ACTUAL LEGACY.

Parents need to read to their kids, Parents need to read themselves and the kids will then spend time reading..... I think we should reaffirm that musicians are entertainers and nothing more.

Parents should do more to talk about black intellectuals, politicians activists and captains of industry over the dinner table Baraka, DuBois, Coats, Perry, Williams may go over a 5 yo's head today, but they become accustomed to the ways of the world and adult conversation........

So many kids will sit and debate back and forth about who the greatest MC is with a seriousness and hightened memorization as if that shit really matters...

Turn on a podcast instead of the radio... watch a doc or a tutorial instead of sitcom....the things we do with them become what they do on their own.

but we probably come from different sides of the equation -- you are very knowledgeable about music and musicians and I can't stand sound

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These children are not growing up in households with 2 parents discussing DuBois at the dinner table. They are eating in front of the tv in the den with one parent arguing about Future vs Desiigner with the live-in sexual partner of the moment. That is their reality.

There are no books in these households. There are no library cards. There's music and television. That's it.

MISSterZ said:

the other font answered your questions except between 93-96 Tupac was shot, on trial, and incarcerated until what early 95. I can't remember. Then he came out and went to work and busted out like 2-3 albums one was a double disk. And shot some more movies.

During that hat time he was silenced. When he came out of jail he had changed. He was kind of playing up to that lifestyle because of suge. And that's what ultimately killed him.

There were talks of him leaving Death row and starting his own company. He was I think engaged to Kiada jones at the time. That is hearsay tho. I don't how true it was

he just accomplished a lot from the short time he was released to when he was murdered.

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Tupac was prolific. He wanted to complete his 3 album deal recording contract.

But even you concede that this man was not even powerful enough to protect his own image, let alone be a threat to the United States government warranting a conspiracy.

ScarletLight said:

The main thing is the court found no evidence that Tupac raped her. He shouldn't have served any jail time. He was found innocent for the rape charges but convicted of sexual assault. He went to jail for touching her ass which was a bullshit charge. This girl willingly gave up her mouth and vagina for him, so why is it all of a sudden taboo for him to touch her ass? Anyway Tupac was in a way seen as a threat. From before he was even born and all throughout his childhood and life the FBI was always watching and stalking him and his family because of his black panther background.

At the time the black panther party was seen as a terrorist group. They were like Al Quaeda in the eyes of racist white people. Tupac sued the police department for beating him for jaywalking, and shot two white off duty cops for harrassimg a black person in which he got off. Even though he was innocent of the rape charges they didn't want to let him off so easily. The media portrayed him as some low life gangster that wanted to rape, kill, and rob people when that was far from who he was. They constantly defecated on his name and tried to destroy his career and legacy calling him a convicted rapist when he wasn't even convicted of rape, laughed about him getting shot, spread false rumors, prison guards were humiliating him, all to assassinate his character and image. Prison was definitely used as a tactic to silence and emotionally damage him.

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The United States government trained Al Qaeda soldiers as guerilla warriors. Unfortunately, they became independent and began waging their own colonial war to seize land and power.

The Black Panther Party didn't own land. They didn't control countries. They used armed resistance when confronted by police. Those who killed white police officers are imprisoned and many dead. Asaata is the lone free woman from that era.

Mutulu has been in prison for years. They know exactly where Asaata is in Cuba. Afeni was a drug addict and lost her connections with those who were underground in the Black Liberation Army during her crack addiction.

Tupac didn't even own a house when he died, let alone land across multiple nations.

He was not a threat.

Again, if you believe jail silenced and emotionally damaged him, then what did he do before this charge that was so dangerous to the United States government? What did he do after?

Jadens Wifey said:

can someone compile a list of the disgusting things he's said? He's before my time.

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This was the most offensive thing in this thread:highly_amused:

Biggie still the goat. His flow cant be fucked with.

Nana Peazant said:

These children are not growing up in households with 2 parents discussing DuBois at the dinner table. They are eating in front of the tv in the den with one parent arguing about Future vs Desiigner with the live-in sexual partner of the moment. That is their reality.

There are no books in these households. There are no library cards. There's music and television. That's it.



Tupac was prolific. He wanted to complete his 3 album deal recording contract.

But even you concede that this man was not even powerful enough to protect his own image, let alone be a threat to the United States government warranting a conspiracy.



The United States government trained Al Qaeda soldiers as guerilla warriors. Unfortunately, they became independent and began waging their own colonial war to seize land and power.

The Black Panther Party didn't own land. They didn't control countries. They used armed resistance when confronted by police. Those who killed white police officers are imprisoned and many dead. Asaata is the lone free woman from that era.

Mutulu has been in prison for years. They know exactly where Asaata is in Cuba. Afeni was a drug addict and lost her connections with those who were underground in the Black Liberation Army during her crack addiction.

Tupac didn't even own a house when he died, let alone land across multiple nations.

He was not a threat.

Again, if you believe jail silenced and emotionally damaged him, then what did he do before this charge that was so dangerous to the United States government? What did he do after?

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https://www.facebook.com/firstbtnomb/videos/967094370006049

pac always spoke about empowering. They don't like that.

Anyway

im saying wasn't some run of the mill rapper like we have today.

MISSterZ said:

Ummm where did I say Tupac was the biggest star ever? Or unknown : I said Tupac DEFINATELY had fam and notoriety BEFORE he died. That's truth. He was in movies and tv shows. He was deemed controversial. His death didn't make him. Like it did biggie. It's like when Mj died and his music skyrocketed. It's just natural when someone dies their music and artistry is placed in focus.


i disagree with snoop being more popular. It was the same to me and slight edge in tupacs favor because he was always a lone person while snoop had dre by him and the. Tupac.

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Yeah I have to agree with this mind you lol I was 5 or 7 and Tupac was a big deal I didn't get hype from both of them until I got older but I do remeber tupac more don't ask me why lol maybe because he was in movies but he always was in the news and speaking about true stuff at the time I always throught tupac was older than what his age was I was suprised by both their age actually. Back then all the rappers got shine but tupac was every where I think some people try to down play his success but he was every where. Mtv news always talked about him every damn day lol.This coming from person that listen to the spice girls all the time lol.

Nana Peazant said:

These children are not growing up in households with 2 parents discussing DuBois at the dinner table. They are eating in front of the tv in the den with one parent arguing about Future vs Desiigner with the live-in sexual partner of the moment. That is their reality.

There are no books in these households. There are no library cards. There's music and television. That's it.



Tupac was prolific. He wanted to complete his 3 album deal recording contract.

But even you concede that this man was not even powerful enough to protect his own image, let alone be a threat to the United States government warranting a conspiracy.



The United States government trained Al Qaeda soldiers as guerilla warriors. Unfortunately, they became independent and began waging their own colonial war to seize land and power.

The Black Panther Party didn't own land. They didn't control countries. They used armed resistance when confronted by police. Those who killed white police officers are imprisoned and many dead. Asaata is the lone free woman from that era.

Mutulu has been in prison for years. They know exactly where Asaata is in Cuba. Afeni was a drug addict and lost her connections with those who were underground in the Black Liberation Army during her crack addiction.

Tupac didn't even own a house when he died, let alone land across multiple nations.

He was not a threat.

Again, if you believe jail silenced and emotionally damaged him, then what did he do before this charge that was so dangerous to the United States government? What did he do after?

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Um lol on the house part suge knight was giving these fools allowance so him not owning a house is not shocking, Suge knight messed all those fools over so bad master p had to get snoop out, Dr.Dre left with nothing ect......

O.o said:

I thought y'all were talking about this:

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[Verse 2: The Notorious B.I.G.]
When I get dusted, I like to spread the blood like mustard
Trust it, my hardcore rain leaves you rusted
Move over Lucifer, I'm more ruthless, huh
Leave you toothless, you'll kibbitz, I'll flip it
Tears don't affect me, I hit 'em with the TEC
G's disrespect me, my potency is deadly
I'm shooting babies, no ifs ands or maybes
Hit mommy in the tummy if the hooker plays a dummy
Slit the wrist of little sis, after she sucked the dick
I stabbed her brother with the icepick
Because he wanted me to fuck him from the back
But Smalls don't get down like that
Got your father hiding in a room, fucked him with the broom
Slit him down the back and threw salt in the wound
Who you think you're dealing with?
Anybody step into my path is fuckin' feeling it!
Hardcore, I got it sucked like a pussy
Stab ya 'til you're gushy, so please don't push.. me
I'm using rubbers so they won't trace the semen
The black demon, got the little hookers screaming
Because you know I love it young, fresh and green
With no hair in between, know what I mean?
Old school trips me out trying to say this was the "good" rap.

Nana Peazant said:

These children are not growing up in households with 2 parents discussing DuBois at the dinner table. They are eating in front of the tv in the den with one parent arguing about Future vs Desiigner with the live-in sexual partner of the moment. That is their reality.

There are no books in these households. There are no library cards. There's music and television. That's it.



Tupac was prolific. He wanted to complete his 3 album deal recording contract.

But even you concede that this man was not even powerful enough to protect his own image, let alone be a threat to the United States government warranting a conspiracy.



The United States government trained Al Qaeda soldiers as guerilla warriors. Unfortunately, they became independent and began waging their own colonial war to seize land and power.

The Black Panther Party didn't own land. They didn't control countries. They used armed resistance when confronted by police. Those who killed white police officers are imprisoned and many dead. Asaata is the lone free woman from that era.

Mutulu has been in prison for years. They know exactly where Asaata is in Cuba. Afeni was a drug addict and lost her connections with those who were underground in the Black Liberation Army during her crack addiction.

Tupac didn't even own a house when he died, let alone land across multiple nations.

He was not a threat.

Again, if you believe jail silenced and emotionally damaged him, then what did he do before this charge that was so dangerous to the United States government? What did he do after?

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Come thru!!!!

i will never understand people who have no books.

Even at my age, I have a library card that I use often.

The library was an instrumental part of my early childhood.

realtalkmusic said:

Um lol on the house part suge knight was giving these fools allowance so him not owning a house is not shocking, Suge knight messed all those fools over so bad master p had to get snoop out, Dr.Dre left with nothing ect......

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Suge gave them an advance and when they spent it, he gave them an additional advance. They didn't set up their publishing companies so for some of them, Suge was even getting their publishing checks. Smh.

O.o said:

Come thru!!!!

i will never understand people who have no books.

Even at my age, I have a library card that I use often.

The library was an instrumental part of my early childhood.

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It's unfortunate that parents don't consider cultivating a small library or bookshelf as a core part of parenting.

I've walked into several of my students' homes. There is a video game console in the living room but the student doesn't have a desk and quiet place to study and read.

It's a war against literacy in some of these households.
[MENTION=117340]MISSterZ[/MENTION]

I remember this speech. I think this was at the State of the Black Family forums. In his own speech he said "until we own some shit...how you gonna be a man?"

Unfortunately he didn't own his publishing and masters. His mother had to battle for it and just secured the last of his recordings after his fulfilled Death Row contract from Entertainment One in 2013.

And 23 years later, Black men still have difficulty creating and sustaining ownership. I guess that is prophetic but everyone else could foretell that future.

What can I say? You view Tupac as a prophet and I view him as a rapper, actor and rapist. We have no common ground.