Talk:Superhero film

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I think this article should atleast mention the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film from 1990. After all, it became one of the most succesfull indipendent films ever in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.197.159 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Catwoman

Shouldn't the Catwoman movie be mentioned somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.211.48 (talk) 06:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Superhero!

Shouldn't the upcoming David Zucker superhero film spoof, Superhero! be mentioned in the article? --theblueflamingo^Squawk 04:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Probably. Comic Book: The Movie too. I'll make a section. ~Switch ^{t c g} 10:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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File:Krrish.jpg

A correctly licensed version of the Krrish image has now been uploaded. It turns out that it was merely cropped from an image which can be downloaded from the official website, so there are no outstanding copyright issues. However, I want to gather opinions on whether there's sufficient commentary on non-Hollywood movies to justify adding it. -- Skarl 11:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know if it demands it's placement over the other non-hollywood superhero flicks for an image. It wasn't any more popular then the other films, and didn't make a splash in America. It's hard to justify it. It would make more sense to post an image of the Incredibles as one of the most acclaimed and popular of Superhero films that isn't based off a comic book. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The image just doesn't belong here. I agree with Andrzejbanas, an image of the Incredibles or Hancock seems like a better idea. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

This is really unfair....If a movie works in hollywood its a superhit film while other language films are totally ignored.Hollywood is being biased. If it dint make a splash in America so it doesnt deserve a spot here. what sense does it make.Hollywood should stop bein biased.And this image is a fare use now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.41.134 (talk) 07:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's unfair to choose Krrish over the several other countless superhero films that were non-hollywood. The image doesn't really illustrate anything the text doesn't already state. We took it down for the same reason we took down the images of Batman before. It doesn't add anything. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok add any other non hollywood superhero film pic.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.201.41.134 (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

123.201.41.134, let me make something clear to you: there doesn't need to be a Bollywood pic. The lead image already demonstrates what a live-action superhero is. If you're gonna put something in, it needs to have a non-related purpose. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The Crow

The first mini series was published by Kitchen Sink Press not by Image Comics. The Crow predates Image comics as the first issue came out in 1981. Shouldn't this be called an independent property? 173.98.167.33 (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC) I don't understand how The Crow can be identified as " the first independent comics superhero film that established a franchise" when multiple Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movies have already been referenced with earlier dates. TMNT was clearly an independent comic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FolkJoKeR (talk • contribs) 21:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Zorro

If Batman is a superhero movie, then Zorro is also a superhero movie, right? Calvero2 (talk) 12:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

According to this book, traditional superheroes start with Superman. Here, Bob Kane, who created Batman mentions Zorro as an influence on his Batman character, but other than that, I don't find any strong or major writing on super heroes or comics that include him in the genre. I do not believe he should be added. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Franchise

What makes a film series a franchise? The article states that Blade was the first superhero franchise, but why wouldn't that term be applied to the four Superman or four Batman movies? Rojomoke (talk) 19:05, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Ahh! Good point. This was supposed to say "Marvel released Blade which was their first series to become a franchise". Batman and Superman are DC. There we go! Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Revamp?

I think this article looks really messy, and isn't very easy to read through. This is mainly because of the article being entirely prose. It explains patterns, but lists the films in sections of these patterns (within each decade), which provides an illogical feel to the article that is very difficult to interpret. Therefore, I think that since most of the prose is just listing films, we should instead, list films in a table. This would be much neater, and allows for more precise prose sections that don't list every single superhero film, and hence are much easier to interpret. --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 12:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

We might could do some kind of revamp. If there's better suggestions. This "list films in a table" sounds nice but it sounds similiar to List of American superhero films. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Well in that case, we could still remove the lists within the prose, and just use prominent examples when needed. And then either provide a link on this page to the list, or merge the two pages, so the list is on this page. Do you have anything else in mind to revamp the article? --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 23:09, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I am not quite sure but I would think there could be alternatives to the problem. I am aware of a lot of flaws on the article while reading it though and the animated film section (for example Jonah Hex should be on 2010 section) that was introduced has no citations. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I think that a merge with List of American superhero films would be the way to go though, if you treat the page like List of highest-grossing films is treated. It is essentially a list page, but is very comprehensive, and contains detailed prose sections. So, I think that's the way to go on this one. Perhaps we should bring this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics for some more opinions if you would still prefer an alternative? --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 13:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I have no problem mentioning it on the Wikiproject page. The more opinions the better in my opinion. IMO I would prefer the Film WikiProject film myself and then link it on the Comic WikiProject.Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 16:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Additionally, this article is little more than a prose list of movies by decade. There is very little context, which would be provided by academics and scholars being quoted. That's a lot of work, but pointing this out is a first step. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

It is a lot of work, and it's not really work that I'm up for. I don't really have enough time, or experience with this kind of thing. I'll just bring it up on the project talk pages. --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 07:41, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Why can't you have both? I find it hard to argue against prose, which doesn't look messy to me at least. You can have the prose and then a sortable table that lists them by whatever primary sort you want but lets people sort them after the fact to find a particular item of information. I don't know, maybe you would have the name of the film and then elsewhere the name of the source material, making it easy to group Batman films where Batman films don't have Batman in the title for instance. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 13:51, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, DWB. Exactly: Something along the lines of Marvel Cinematic Universe or James Bond in film, where there's a chart but it's mostly real-world context and background, as opposed to just listy prose. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

You could do something like:

Title	Released	Budget	Box office (worldwide)	Series	Based on	Studio
Superman	December 10, 1978	$10 million	$400,234,010	Superman 1970 series	Superman	Dovemead, Film Export A.G., International Film Productions
Blade II	March 22, 2002	$10 million	$90,200,213	Blade Trilogy	Blade
Batman	June 17, 1989	$40 million	$200,343,234	Er...early Batman series	Batman
V for Vendetta	June 17, 2005	$40 million	$291,434,234	—	V for Vendetta
My Super Ex-Girlfriend	June 17, 2006	$30 million	$60,343,343	—	—
The Dark Knight	June 17, 2008	$100 million	$1,242,242,123	Nolan Trilogy	Batman

Just an idea obviously, don't know if you would include the country info/budget/gross, and you'd maybe have release year instead of exact date, or you'd have to add the sort template so it sorts correctly by date (or maybe the filmddate template would work). Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, real-world context and background with a table like this seems the way to go. My problem with this table is that it doesn't sort by series, so when sorted by the character based on, the different eras of say, Batman are all mixed in together, so it doesn't reflect development over the years. However, if this can be clearly outlined in the prose, then maybe it's not such an issue. Also, I think country, gross and other info kind of columns would be great. --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 00:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not quite clear what you mean by series, do you mean film series, not the comics? Let's see what I can do. I added a few columns and more test data to give a greater idea of how it would work in practice. It'd still need some styling, obviously the center doesn't work. Well it can but to me at least it looks a little off because the headers are being offset by the little sorting diamond. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah! That works. Something like that would be great. Yeah, I meant film series. Oh, and would a Studio column be useful? --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 03:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't know about studio, just looking at the first one, Superman, there are 3 studios listed. You can add them, but it'd probably look a mess. Blade II also has 3, so you could leave them inline and separated by commas or give each a new line, but when you have a list of maybe 100+ films, the list is going to be doubled or tripled in size if the studios break onto new lines. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

True. The reason I brought it up was because of the situation with Marvel's characters being owned by different studios, and to compare that to other studios, but I guess it's not that important for the table. --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 15:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

So how about something like this? That's only ones since 2000, and there's probably a couple missing... There aren't any international ones on there.

Title	Released	Series	Based on	Budget	Box office (worldwide)
X-Men	July 14, 2000	X-Men film series	X-Men	$75 million	$296,339,527
Unbreakable	November 14, 2000	—	—	$75 million	$248,118,121
Blade II	March 22, 2002	Blade trilogy	Blade	$55 million	$155,010,032
Spider-Man	May 3, 2002	Raimi Trilogy	Spider-Man	$140 million	$821,708,551
Daredevil	February 14, 2003	Daredevil/Elektra film series	Daredevil	$78 million	$179,179,718
X2	May 2, 2003	X-Men film series	X-Men	$110 million	$407,711,549
Hulk	June 20, 2003	—	Hulk	$137 million	$245,360,480
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen	July 11, 2003	—	The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen	$78 million	$179,265,204
Hellboy	April 2, 2004	Hellboy film series	Hellboy	$66 million	$99,318,987
The Punisher	April 16, 2004	—	Punisher	$33 million	$54,700,105
Spider-Man 2	July 2, 2004	Raimi Trilogy	Spider-Man	$200 million	$783,766,341
Catwoman (film)	July 19, 2004	—	Catwoman	$100 million	$82,102,379
The Incredibles	October 27, 2004	—	—	$92 million	$631,442,092
Blade: Trinity	December 8, 2004	Blade trilogy	Blade	$65 million	$128,905,366
Elektra	January 14, 2005	Daredevil/Elektra film series	Elektra	$43 million	$56,681,566
Batman Begins	June 10, 2005	The Dark Knight Trilogy	Batman	$150 million	$372,710,015
Fantastic Four	June 29, 2005	Fantastic Four film series	Fantastic Four	$100 million	$330,579,719
Sky High	July 29, 2005	—	—	$35 million	$86,369,815
X-Men: The Last Stand	May 26, 2006	X-Men film series	X-Men	$210 million	$459,359,555
Superman Returns	June 21, 2006	Original Series	Superman	$209 million	$391,081,192
My Super Ex-Girlfriend	July 21, 2006	—	—	$30 million	$60,984,606
Zoom	August 11, 2006	—	—	$35 million	$12,506,188
Ghost Rider	February 16, 2007	Ghost Rider film series	Ghost Rider	$110 million	$228,738,393
TMNT	March 23, 2007	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film series	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles	$34 million	$95,608,995
Spider-Man 3	April 16, 2007	Raimi Trilogy	Spider-Man	$258 million	$890,871,626
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer	June 15, 2007	Fantastic Four film series	Fantastic Four	$130 million	$289,047,763
Iron Man	May 2, 2008	Marvel Cinematic Universe	Iron Man	$140 million	$585,174,222
The Incredible Hulk	June 13, 2008	Marvel Cinematic Universe	Hulk	$150 million	$263,427,551
Hellboy II: The Golden Army	July 11, 2008	Hellboy film series	Hellboy	$85 million	$160,388,063
The Dark Knight	July 14, 2008	The Dark Knight Trilogy	Batman	$185 million	$1,004,558,444
Punisher: War Zone	December 5, 2008	—	Punisher	$35 million	$10,100,036
Watchmen	March 5, 2009	—	Watchmen	$130 million	$185,258,983
X-Men Origins: Wolverine	April 29, 2009	X-Men film series	X-Men	$150 million	$373,062,864
Kick-Ass	March 26, 2010	—	Kick-Ass	$28 million	$96,188,903
Iron Man 2	April 26, 2010	Marvel Cinematic Universe	Iron Man	$170–200 million	$623,933,331
The Green Hornet	January 14, 2011	—	Green Hornet	$120 million	$227,817,248
Thor	April 21, 2011	Marvel Cinematic Universe	Thor	$150 million	$449,326,618
X-Men: First Class	June 1, 2011	X-Men film series	X-Men	$140-160 million	$353,624,124
Green Lantern	June 17, 2011	—	Green Lantern	$200 million	$219,851,172
Captain America: The First Avenger	July 19, 2011	Marvel Cinematic Universe	Captain America	$140 million	$368,608,363
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance	February 17, 2012	Ghost Rider film series	Ghost Rider	$57 million	$132,563,930
The Avengers	April 11, 2012	Marvel Cinematic Universe	Avengers	$220 million	$1,511,757,910
The Amazing Spider-Man	June 30, 2012	Webb Series	Spider-Man	$230 million	$752,216,557
The Dark Knight Rises	July 16, 2012	The Dark Knight Trilogy	Batman	$250-300 million	$1,081,041,287

But yeah, thoughts? --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 02:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 02:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

So are you going ahead with this Kilroy or still working on it?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I only just noticed this now. Yeah, I don't have a lot of time on my hands, so it'd be great if someone could take over. --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 22:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Main Picture Change

I think, instead of the shot of the actor Christopher Reeve, this shot of Reeve as Superman would be far more effective in demonstrating what it means:

http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/christopher-reeve-superman.jpg

It's a much better shot of the actor himself, and puts the picture in very clear context. A picture of Reeve dressed as Superman is definitely more clear in the context of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.66.56 (talk) 03:19, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Chronicle

What about Chronicle? --92.225.70.63 (talk) 00:38, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

WorldCat Genres

Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of superhero-films. It might be useful to look at [1] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein (talk) 23:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Genre?

Although they're a hybrid of action, fantasy, sci-fi, and drama, due to their often similar tones and themes, wouldn't "Superhero" be considered a genre of film? There are plenty of written articles that refer to it as a genre, and they're never strictly considered subgenres of fantasy or science fiction. All of those could be under the umbrella of speculative fiction, so it stands to reason that Superhero should be its own genre alongside them. If there's a consensus, I feel this article should make note of it as a genre of film. 50.98.18.29 (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Deadpool

Someone should add Deadpool to the mention of superhero movies in the 2010s.CountHacker (talk) 06:44, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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a super new page

Can we give the box office section it’s own page like List of highest-grossing superhero films User:Fanoflionking 19:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Recent Tidy Up

Hope you don't mind, just had to do a massive tidy up of the 2010s section, as it was extremely messy. Information has been simplified to most important details. More can be done. Rebirth3k (talk) 19:43, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Godzilla and Ultra Series

Please, add more Godzilla and Ultra Series mentions. They are two of the most popular Japanese franchises. --Дейноніх (talk) 07:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Discretion for movies listed as examples

The paragraph-long list of superhero films released in the 1980s is much too short to be anywhere near comprehensive and much too long if the intention is to give just a few examples. Perhaps it would be better to have a link to a subcategory page? Evanf32 (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2023 (UTC)