Does that sound plausible ???

Urban Knutsson, owner of a '71 914/6 Sporto, writes a letter to the factory asking about the number of 914/6 Sportomatic cars produced ...

The reply from Porsche:



Andy

Porsche Panorama had this to say:




5? 21? 25?
Andy

in 1982 the Porsche Factory did an intensive research at there own files and service documents and found out that they built 16 914-6 Sportomatic cars

3 cars for factory internal use (test cars)
2 cars for the Porsche family (1 in Germany, 1 in Austria)
3 cars sold via Glöckler, Frankfurt
1 car sold via Hahn, Stuttgart
2 cars sold via Sonauto, France
1 car sold via AMAG, Swizerland
2 cars sold via Raffay, Hamburg
2 cars sold via Schulz, Lintorf

Gustl

Those are not necessary conflictory...

5 for experimental purposes.
21 (or so) for 'other' (commercial...) purposes.

So the Swedish guy got one of the 5 'experimentals' ...
At least that's how I interpret that data.

We know there were some (all 3, I believe...) 914.6's entered in the ('70? '71?) 1000 (10.000? for some reason I recall that) 'Marathon of Endurance' at the Nurburgring (at least one of those u's should be an ü - I forget which...) and one won.

I've seen one in the US - a signal orange car, at Monterey in 1979 - I had no idea how rare it was then.

and there is one 71 signal orange sporto here (ex Jeff Gascek) and about ten sporto transmission cases upstairs new!!!!!!!!!!

the 3 "1970 Marathon de la Route" cars were 914-6 GTs - not Sportomatics

but Porsche won that race in 1967 with a 911 R Sportomatic

The Picture doesn't show up for me ...

original 914-6 Sportomatic trannys (914/05) or other Sportomatic trannys (905, 905/20, 905/21, 925/00, 925/01, 925/02, 925/04, ...) ???

no problem at my PC

let's try this way ...

there was even a factory poster

I just checked our database, and we have 7 Sporto cars listed. They're all '71 cars(!), except the prototype car ...

914120
9141430120
9141430156
9141430163
9141430173
9141430184
9141430396


Andy

found some more, let's ad some info to the VINs ...


914120 - Factory Prototype, currently in Germany
9140432664 - Owned by a Member here, "BillSporto"
9141430120 - Owned by Frank Pohl, Germany
9141430156 - Owned by Urban Knutsson, Sweden
9141430163 - Owned by a Member here, "dr914@autoatlanta.com"
9141430173 - Delivered to Sonauto in France
9141430184 - Owned by a Member here, "914/6 Sporto"
9141430396 - Owned by a Member here, "Gustl"


then there are:


9141430035 - Currently in Germany
9141430081 - Crashed and destroyed on the first trip by the first owner, in Germany.
9141430093 - In Italy as of 2001


That's 11 so far ...
Andy

Been too long since I read that section of EwE...

Thanks for setting me straight.
Didn't the 6-GT's win _something_? Index of performance ? something like that?

Nevermind - consider it rhetorical - I have the references - I don't mean to turn you into my private researcher :-)

I've got a NOS Sporto engine wiring harness to go with that George!

Perry, does pin 9 on that Sporto engine harness have a wire on it?

Bump for Perry.

Sorry it's taken me so long guys. Pin 9 is used for a green wire with a red stripe. All the pins are used in that connector.

this may be a dumb question, but will a sportomatic tranny fit a 73 Ga case? Or must it be a 6

it's -technically- possible to do a /4 Sporto, and if you look in the Clymer/Lash book you'll see some photographs from the -one- (possibly two...) factory prototype cars.

The big problem is the oil pump for the torque convertor. In a /6 this is a separate auxilliary oil pump driven off the left camshaft. There's no room for another piggyback oil pump in a /4 in the standard location without getting in the way of the fan. (Yes, there's that factory car. I don't know how they did it. The photographs of the oil pump in question are made with the fan shroud conveniently gone...)

But cooling on a T-IV is a bit marginal, and the Sporto torque convertor uses engine oil, so you have the double-whammy of more heat from efficiency losses in the torque convertor and more heat from the engine working harder to get that back. So IMO you're definitely looking at some kind of additional oil cooler.

-anything- can be done with sufficient quantities of time, effort, and money, but this project has yet to rise to the 'Let's Do This' threshold for anyone, AFAIK. It'd be really hard, and for what?

from my knowledge only the factory 914-6 Sporto uses the same oil for engine and torque converter

the factory 914-4 Sporto (no matter how many were built ... if ever?) used a seperate cooling circuit with ATF (automatic transmission fluid)

that's what the factory repair manual says

Gustl

I know a guy who converted a 1975 914 2.0 to a Sportomatic, using a 911 Sporto tranny

I once wrote a thread about it, but need to find it again ...

Gustl

found it !! => LINK

Gustl

For the data base, today 9140432664 as left USA, and join france, I am the happy owner.

It is the last 914 Sporto produice in 1970 the 4'S or the 5'S one.

We have an other Sporto in the 914 club in France, the blue one own by James.

Post some pictures when you get the car!

Wow!

well, I'm a little puzzled now

from my best knowledge, #2664 already was in France for about 3 years or so

did you buy it from Bill Story??


btw ... the blue one was originally silver metallic

I don't think Porsche kept good records in the early days...

I know of one that was in Alabama or Tennessee.
The guy told me more than once that he had the car.
I asked him if he might sell it and he said "never"
I waited a couple years before calling him again.
When I asked he said " oh, I sold it a while ago "
I don't know where it went.

Same guy, he owns the car for three years and is member of the french club.

Johannes, I'm still puzzled

are you talkin' about the signal orange #2664 ??

from my knowledge, this sporto should be in France for about 3 years

but 914Sporto just told us, that the car left the USA yesterday

Bad grammar. It's the signal orange car. I may have some pictures somewhere on my computer.
I meet Vincent at least once a year. He also ownes a 356 speedster.

Yes it was Bill Story one,

one the car is in south of france,

and it is a hand control one, beause I am paraplegic....

Sportomatic is so efficent

Holy thread necromancy, Batman!

Just to chime in...

There was an article in Panorama a number of years ago now that showed a factory letter stating that there were twenty-five 914-6 Sporto cars made as part of normal series production. There were 4 made for the 1970 model year, and 21 made for the 1971 model year.

I believe that Kerry Morse may have been the person who dug up the letter.

The above counts match much better with the info that we have seen here than the other "official" counts.

--DD