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In English, this word is spelled zloty in most dictionaries, with a regular English L. I think we should use the English spelling of the currency in the English Wikipedia, and not the Polish-language spelling.--67.219.254.84 (talk) 20:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But, złoty is the quote and quote "proper" way of spelling the currency. I think we should still use the Polish spelling. PolskiSlaskiegokowa! (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the past[edit]

  • 24 Groschen = 1 Taler
  • 100 Groszy = 1 Zloty Böri (talk) 14:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • 100 Halerzy = 1 Korona Böri (talk) 10:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Polish złoty
A five-złoty banknote, issued by the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth on 8 June 1794 under the authority of Tadeusz Kościuszko. This issue, which also included denominations of 10, 25, 50, 100, 500, and 1,000 złotych, marked the currency's first use of banknotes; złoty coins had been in use since the fifteenth century. See other denominations.Banknote: Kingdom of Poland; image courtesy of the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution
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Are we writing in English or not?[edit]

The article says in its lead section that in English the word for the unit is zloty (with plural zloty or zlotys); but the Polish form złoty (and the plural złotych) occurs far more frequently in the body of the article, and also in the title. This is the English-language Wikipedia. If the use of the Polish forms in English is correct, the article should not say otherwise. If it isn't, I think they should all be changed, starting by renaming the article. --69.159.61.172 (talk) 05:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

—= I think it should all be changed to zloty, as this is the English term see wiktionary. According to MOS:FOREIGN usage of zloty is correct and złoty is not. Corn Kernel (talk) 08:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Are we writing in English or not?[edit]

I am going to correct it. By the way, the artivle is in the process of expansion, but some data might be controversial, dubious, contradictional etc. Let anyone please put the templates that signify it is not in the style of Wikipedia. Please direct all the notes on my talk page. Best wishes, Ukraroad, 7:14, 17 Mar 2016(UTC)

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Question Regarding Date Change[edit]

Under the section "Future of złoty", it states that, "... so it was considered unlikely that Poland would adopt the euro before 2019. " It is no longer 2019, and I don't know how to change the date, because just changing it to 2021 could be factually inaccurate. What should be done about this? ItsDaBunnyYT (talk) 19:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • 1794 Polish five-złoty banknote
    5 złotych
  • 1794 Polish ten-złoty banknote
    10 złotych
  • 1794 Polish twenty-five-złoty banknote
    25 złotych
  • 1794 Polish fifty-złoty banknote
    50 złotych
  • 1794 Polish one-hundred-złoty banknote
    100 złotych

The Polish złoty is the official currency of Poland. While originally existing only as coinage, radical changes to the currency were made during the Kościuszko Uprising in 1794. The second partition of the vast Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth resulted in the loss of approximately 200,000 square kilometres (77,000 sq mi) of land and precipitated an economic collapse. The widespread shortage of funds to finance the defense of remaining territories forced the insurrectionist government to look for alternatives. In June 1794, the Polish military leader Tadeusz Kościuszko began printing paper money as a substitute for coinage, which could not be minted in required quantities. The first Polish banknotes were issued on 8 July 1794. The banknotes depicted here, in five denominations from five to one hundred złotych, are from the first issue in 1794 and today form part of the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution.

Banknote design credit: Kingdom of Poland; photographed by Andrew Shiva

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Requested move 10 September 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. It seems unlikely that consensus in favour of moving is going to arise any time soon. The two supporters cited several sources that left off the diacritic, while the many opposers preferred consistency with other subjects keeping the diacritics. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Polish złoty → Polish zloty – The official English form is "zloty", without the character "ł", which is difficult to produce if not using a Polish keyboard TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 11:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943 (talk) 18:03, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Wikipedia main title headers for entries delineating national currencies (of countries that use the Latin alphabet), should retain whatever accents and diacritics the local language uses for those currencies. An English-language redirect that dispenses with accents and diacritics will attend to any uncertainties. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:10, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TheCurrencyGuy and Roman Spinner: Notify current participants. Steel1943 (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and speedy close. The only East Europe article title anglicised by simple diacritic stripping on en.wp is the retired female Serbian tennis icon, no evidence that this currency is a blonde tennis player. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Polish złoty already has a redirect from Zloty. Wikipedia style says using diacritics is the right thing to do. Bayonet-lightbulb (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. WP:TRANSLITERATE says "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage, e.g. the non-anglicized titles Besançon, Søren Kierkegaard, and Göttingen are used because they predominate in English-language reliable sources". Few if any English sources use "złoty". TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 02:02, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I am honestly confused, nobody has offered up any part of the style guide saying the use of diacritics is correct in this instance. On the contrary all evidence in the style guide suggests it is not advised, yet there are comments asserting it as fact without providing any evidence at all beyond facetious statements about tennis players. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 02:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per In ictu oculi—blindlynx 13:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • And what do unrelated Biblical quotes have to do with this matter? TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 03:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • @TheCurrencyGuy [User:In ictu oculi] is one of the users who made an opposing argument. blindlynx is saying that their vote is for the same reasons as elaborated prior. ReGuess (talk) 15:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The facts of the case seem to be very simple to me if one ignores the blatant filibustering attempts citing unrelated Biblical passages and tennis players:

    WP:TRANSLITERATE states "The choice between anglicized and local spellings should follow English-language usage, e.g. the non-anglicized titles Besançon, Søren Kierkegaard, and Göttingen are used because they predominate in English-language reliable sources, whereas for the same reason the anglicized title forms Nuremberg, Delicatessen, and Florence are used (as opposed to Nürnberg, Delikatessen, and Firenze, respectively). ". Nowhere does it say that diacritics must ALWAYS be used, only when they are predominantly used. Even the Polish National Bank does not use the diacritic on their English website.TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 04:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. I agree with Roman Spinner above. Gatepainter (talk) 15:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We have a mission to broaden the minds of visitors: mono-culturalists need to know that there is a big wide world out there. The currency is not a zloty, it is a złoty. There is a redirect article Polish zloty and Zloty that redirect here and so deliver most readers to where they want to go. (And you don't need a Polish keyboard: a decent keyboard mapping will give you a ł using AltGr+l.) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is entirely contrary to the principle of WP:COMMONNAME. The letter "ł" is superfluous exoticism as it is not part of the common name in any English sources, not even those published by the Polish National Bank. Users of the English Wikipedia expect articles to be written in English. If you insist on "złoty" then do you also insist the national qualifier should be changed so it reads Polski złoty?. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 19:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Using that logic, it should moved to Polish guilder, which is basically what złoty means in English! WP:UE does not mandate slavish translation into English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Common name. Nothing is that difficult to reproduce using a computer. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A Polish traveller's cheque from the 1980s written in both English and Polish, "Narodowy Bank Polski will pay to the holder of this cheque one thousand zlotys"

Comment. I decided to see if any English sources use "złoty" in ENGLISH, I found that none at all do, not a single source anywhere. Quite the contrary the overwhelming torrent of evidence is that "zloty" is used in English in all circumstances.

Along with that, Wikipedia also states that "Złoty", in English, is an alternate form of the spelling "Zloty". Look at Zloty & Złoty. Both Wikipedia & Wiktionary are bound under the same entity - that being Wikimedia. This is obviously a problem when it come to being consistent across all Wikimedia sister projects. If we decide to keep this article in the spelling "Złoty", then we need to change the corresponding Wiktionary page accordingly. ಢೠೊೠಃಈ (talk) 19:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's mission is to reflect, not to assert, and emphasising "złoty" over "zloty" as the "correct" English term is a bold assertion which appears to lack any substantiating citations. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But Wiktionary does emphasis "Zloty" over "Złoty", and the Wikipedia article should reflect that by switching to "Zloty" for cohesion across sister projects. ಢೠೊೠಃಈ (talk) 19:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking about Wikipedia's use rather than Wiktionary's. I do agree entirely. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 20:09, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. See Łódź for a similar case. See Ł for a discussion. If spelled as Zloty most English readers will pronounce it as "Zlot-y" whereas złoty is pronounced "Zwot-y". The Ł changes the sound from "l" to "w". Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I doubt most English speakers are even aware of what sound "Ł" is supposed to represent. TheCurrencyGuy (talk) 03:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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