On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 23:05:31 -0700 (PDT), melanie chesnel
<***@ornamentation.fr> wrote:

>On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:25:04 PM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote:
> Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who
>> abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic,
>> albeit for only a relatively short period.
>>
>
>Commonwealth - Britain has never been a Republic. Commonwealth is the English term for a political community founded for the common good, a Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them. Agreed in both cases the head of state is not a Monarch, but Cromwell's Commonwealth was not republican in my opinion and Cromwell was less than democratic.
>
It was England and Wales which were the Commonwealth not Britain.
Scotland was under varying degrees of occupation by Cromwell.

From: melanie chesnel <***@ornamentation.fr>

> On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:25:04 PM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote:
> Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who
> > abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I,
> making Britain a republic,
> > albeit for only a relatively short period.
> >
>
> Commonwealth - Britain has never been a Republic. Commonwealth is
> the English term for a political community founded for the common
> good, a Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the
> body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by
> representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them. Agreed in
> both cases the head of state is not a Monarch, but Cromwell's
> Commonwealth was not republican in my opinion and Cromwell was less
> than democratic.
>
> regards
> melanie chesnel>

It has long been my view that, as family historians, we could have had a system of civil
registration almost two centuries before we finally got it in 1837, had we not made the
supreme mistake of restoring the monarchy in 1660.

The worst thing Cromwell did (among many good things) was leave a vacuum after his
death, which his weakling of a son Richard was not fitted to fill and other factions quarrelled
so much that there was little choice left but to invite Charles II back.

While it's true that many parish registers were lost in the Civil War, Cromwell's regime saw
the introduction of an Act that said births had to be recorded rather than just baptisms and
deaths rather than burials. Also, from 1653 until the Restoration, marriage was virtually
removed from the hands of the clergy altogether and became a civil ceremony conducted by
a Justice of the Peace and recorded by a lay official called a Register (NOT registrar). Where
these records survive they are very good - I have some excellent examples from Kirkby
Malham in Yorkshire - and give considerably more detail than the usual scanty records we
are all familiar with.

--
Roy Stockdill
Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about."
OSCAR WILDE

From: ***@btinternet.com

> It has long been my view that, as family historians, we could have
> had a system of civil registration almost two centuries before we finally got it in 1837,
> had we not made the supreme mistake of restoring the monarchy in 1660.

snip.....

> While it's true that many parish registers were lost in the Civil
> War, Cromwell's regime saw the introduction of an Act that said births had to be recorded
> rather than just baptisms and deaths rather than burials. Also, from 1653 until the Restoration,
> marriage was virtually removed from the hands of the clergy altogether and became a civil
> ceremony conducted by a Justice of the Peace and recorded by a lay official called a
> Register (NOT registrar). Where these records survive they are very good - I have some excellent
> examples from Kirkby Malham in Yorkshire - and give considerably more detail than the
> usual scanty records we are all familiar with.>

For the aforementioned examples, see my feature for Your Family Tree magazine in 2005 on
the Kirkby Malham website at: http://kirkbymalham.info/KMI/malhamdale/yft29_cromwell.pdf

This article focused on a longstanding controversy over whether Oliver Cromwell officiated at
two weddings in the parish in 1655 and 1656. Cromwell's alleged signature appears in the
parish registers but most historians think they were forgeries - although why anyone in their
right mind would dare to forge the Lord Protector's signature in his lifetime is beyond me, and
what would be the point if they were inserted into the registers after his death?

The problem is that the registers were stolen from the church in the 1970s - possibly by a
collector because of the alleged signatures of Oliver Cromwell - and have never been seen
since. However, they had been copied and published in a book by a local historian and
antiquarian called John Morkill in 1933.

Here is an extract from one of the supposed marriages.....

"The. I.M: betweene John. Ellin of Malham & Anne Tayler of Hellifield
[pishe of] Long Preston was published three severall Markett dayes in the
Market. place att Settle 12th, 19th, 26th June. 1655. JE & AT was married
25th July in the presence of John Lawson of Malham & John Shackleton of the
same & others before me, Olyver Cromwell R." [I.M. = Intended Marriage]

I have a very personal interest in this record because JOHN SHACKLETON of Malham
township was my likely 8x-great grandfather and I would dearly love to think that he actually
met the Great Man, Oliver Cromwell and even enjoyed a knees-up at the reception
afterwards! However, two things are very suspicious about this record.....

1) Cromwell was not known to spell his name as "Olyver" and he was a literate and educated
man.

2) He NEVER used the initial "R" which was thought to mean "Rex" because, of course, he
always refused the title of King (unless the "R" stood for Register but in that case it would not
have applied to him but to the official who held that job). Cromwell normally signed himself as
"Oliver P" the "P" standing for "Protector".

One thing, however, is likely: that Cromwell probably did stay at Kirkby Malham in that period
because the Squire of Calton, one of the eight townships of the parish of Kirkby Malham, was
Major-General "Honest John" Lambert, a personal friend of Cromwell's and one of his
principal commanders during the Civil Wars. Could someone, knowing that he was in the
area, have taken the register to him to sign? However, it seems unlikely he would have made
two mistakes in so doing.

Even if I had no personal interest in these records, I would still find them fascinating because
of the evidence they reveal.....

1) That between 1653 and 1660 marriages were conducted by Justices of the Peace as a
civil ceremony.

2) Banns could be called in the market place (as they were in the above record, Settle being
the nearest market town) and not necessarily in a church.

--
Roy Stockdill
Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about."
OSCAR WILDE

In article <d6078dd3-8c03-47a7-aec3-***@googlegroups.com>, melanie
chesnel <***@ornamentation.fr> wrote:
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> On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:25:04 PM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote:
> Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who=20
> > abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making
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> > albeit for only a relatively short period.
> >=20
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> s a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens
> entitled=
> to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly
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> by them. Agreed in both cases the head of state is not a Monarch, but
> Cromw=
> ell's Commonwealth was not republican in my opinion and Cromwell was less
> t=
> han democratic.
>
> regards=20
> melanie chesnel

Cromwell was not a Republican what he opposed was the Monarch's power over
Parliment. His "battle", with others, was to show that the "people" (a loose
term given the limited "class" of persons that could vote for and sit in
Parliment) via Parliment had power and that the Monarch was not overall
ruler. Cromwell refused to take the position of Monarch or position of Head
of State. His "dictatorship" came later after Parliment "went astray".

The current situation is the result of Cromwell where the Monarch is a
figurehead only and has NO political power, the Monarch does not even have
the right to vote. This actually is a bit of a safeguard against a dictator
as any Prime Minister is subject to the Monarch (and swears allegiance to
the Monarch) and not the head of state which the Monarch is.

Many will argue whether Cromwell was "good" or "bad" but today's supremacy
of Parliment is his legacy.

Gordon


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On 05/06/2012 07:05, melanie chesnel wrote:
> On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:25:04 PM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote: Oliver
> Cromwell, my historical hero who
>> abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I,
>> making Britain a republic, albeit for only a relatively short
>> period.
>>
>
> Commonwealth - Britain has never been a Republic. Commonwealth is the
> English term for a political community founded for the common good, a
> Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of
> citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen
> directly or indirectly by them. Agreed in both cases the head of
> state is not a Monarch, but Cromwell's Commonwealth was not
> republican in my opinion and Cromwell was less than democratic.

It might be your opinion, but Britain was a Republic for a while. Didn't
like it so brought back the monarchy.

On 05/06/2012 07:05, melanie chesnel wrote:
> On Monday, June 4, 2012 5:25:04 PM UTC+2, (unknown) wrote:
> Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who
>> abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic,
>> albeit for only a relatively short period.
>>
>
> Commonwealth - Britain has never been a Republic. Commonwealth is the English term for a political community founded for the common good, a Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them. Agreed in both cases the head of state is not a Monarch, but Cromwell's Commonwealth was not republican in my opinion and Cromwell was less than democratic.
>
> regards
> melanie chesnel
>

I was at his house in Ely today. Pretty sure the signs there say it was
"briefly a Republic" of something like that.

Yes that woman was Kerry Crellin, my neice. I am a direct descendant of Crowell. After a few générations the male line died out and a daughter was the heiress. She had several daughters, one of which married into the Warner family through my great-great grandfather. If someone claims to have the surname Cromwell and to be a DIRECT descendant of Cromwell, they are mistaken. Revd Mark Ashton Warner, ***@yahoo.co.uk

I am Lord Oliver’s Great x10 Grandson

Date sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 06:20:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: How many living descendants are there of Oliver Cromwell?
From: ***@yahoo.co.uk
To: ***@googlegroups.com
Copies to: ***@rootsweb.com, ***@rootsweb.com

> As far as I understand there are no direct descendants of Olover
> Cromwell who have the surname Cromwell. The male line of succession
> died out after 5 generations with a daughter who was the heiress.
> She had several daughters, of which one married my great, great
> granfather, who was a Warner.
>
> So I am a direct descendant. My sister Fern Flynn is a direct
> descendant as are her children including Jerome Flynn (as mentioned
> in one of the posts). On the So You Think You're Royal programme on
> Sky, they used our photos and photos of portraits hich illustrates
> the line of descent.
>
> Amazingly, Jerome's brother, Daniel Flynn recently played one of
> Cromwell's generals in the play 55 days at the Hampstead Theatre
> Club. An excellent play showing the dilemmas thaqt faced Cromell
> whilst inaugurating the idea of parliament alone being sovereign but
> having a constitutional 'monarch'.
> Mark Ashton WARNER>

Thanks for that, Mark. Most interesting.

Which Cromwell daughter do you descend from? I seem to recall from what I read that there
were only two who had descendants and there was also a son, Henry.


--
Roy Stockdill
Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer
Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about."
OSCAR WILDE

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:20:03 AM UTC-6, ***@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> As far as I understand there are no direct descendants of Olover Cromwell who have the surname Cromwell. The male line of succession died out after 5 generations with a daughter who was the heiress. She had several daughters, of which one married my great, great granfather, who was a Warner. So I am a direct descendant. My sister Fern Flynn is a direct descendant as are her children including Jerome Flynn (as mentioned in one of the posts). On the So You Think You're Royal programme on Sky, they used our photos and photos of portraits hich illustrates the line of descent. Amazingly, Jerome's brother, Daniel Flynn recently played one of Cromwell's generals in the play 55 days at the Hampstead Theatre Club. An excellent play showing the dilemmas thaqt faced Cromell whilst inaugurating the idea of parliament alone being sovereign but having a constitutional 'monarch'. Mark Ashton WARNER On Monday, 4 June 2012 16:25:04 UTC+1, ***@btinternet.com wrote: > As a republican (though not a particularly virulent or obsessive one), I fell to musing over the > > weekend while watching the Jubilee pageant on the Thames (for the boats, not the royals) > > whether there are any living descendants of Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who > > abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic, > > albeit for only a relatively short period. > > > > According to various websites, there are many. The following site > > > > http://hipweb.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/cromwellcollection/genealogy/heredis/info.htm > > > > says..... > > > > "There are many people alive today who are directly descended from Oliver Cromwell, via his > > son Henry and his daughters Bridget and Frances. Their descent has been thoroughly > > researched and reconstructed down to the mid Victorian period. Thus so long as you can > > trace your ancestry back as far as the 1860s, you should be able to see quite easily whether > > or not you lock into one of the proven lines of descent from Cromwell." > > > > I am aware for certain of only one, the Yorkshirewoman Katharine Worsley, the Duchess of > > Kent (and of course her children), who was born at Hovingham Hall, Hovingham, North > > Yorkshire, in 1933 . She is the 8x-great-granddaughter of Oliver Cromwell via one of his > > daughters, the aforementioned Frances. Ironic, is it not, that she is the Queen's first cousin, > > yet it was her ancestor who was responsible for the execution of HM's 9x-great-grandfather > > in 1649? I wonder if they ever discuss it over afternoon tea! > > > > Cromwell and his wife Elizabeth Bourchier had nine children of whom six survived to > > adulthood but only three produced descendants. > > > > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? Personally, I wish I were > > one but no such luck! > > > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > and that is not being talked about." > > OSCAR WILDE

I am a descendant of Oliver Cromwell and I reside in Texas. A framed picture of the coat-of-arms hangs on my bedroom wall. My great-grandfather Herbert E. Cromwell was born in 1906 and is buried in Brenham, Texas. He had only daughters so as they married the surname was lost. However, I am not sure of which I am a descendant from Henry, Frances, or Bridget.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=97301401

On 22 Jul at 21:06, William <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, June 4, 2012 10:25:04 AM UTC-5, ***@btinternet.com
> wrote:

<snip for brevity>

> > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list???
> > Personally, I wish I were one but no such luck!
> >
> > --
> >
> > Roy Stockdill

> I'm a descendant of his line. Not sure if I'm direct, I think I came
> from one of his siblings, I need to check again (my family has the
> documentation.) I don't know why you would want to be his descendant,
> it's cool, but it doesn't really benefit me at all. ;)

I share your relationship to Cromwell's line but, like Roy, I would like
to be his descendant. Cromwell brought order out of chaos. While he
was a butcher in Ireland, in other respects he was moderate and
tolerant. He did not have time for the many fanatics that were around
and struggled with the problem of how to install a non-monarchical
government that could survive. He may have failed in his lifetime but
his legacy lives on in the dictum that 'Parliament is Sovereign' and
decides both laws and monarchs.

Read his writings and the biographies of him and perhaps you will
understand why he is held in such respect.

"Paint me as I am, warts and all" - O. Cromwell.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe ***@powys.org
for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

I'm a descendant of Cromwell. He is my 9x great grandfather through his son Henry, his son Henry, his son Thomas, his daughter Anne, her son William, his son Alfred, his daughter rosa, her son Edwin Cromwell, his daughter (my grandmother) Valery and my dad Matthew. Our family tree also goes upwards to Morgan Williams who married Thomas cromwell's sister..

On 2015-09-21 06:09:47 +0000, ***@gmail.com said:

> I cannot find a way to edit posts... so i've deleted mine earlier due
> to a mistake...
>
> Anyway, just came across these posts while researching and wanted to add...
> Oliver Cromwell's brother Sir Phillip Cromwell was my 12th great
> grandfather. The last male in my family to have that surname was
> Captain William Lewis Cromwell, my 7th great grandfather. His daughter
> Margaret Cromwell married William Addington and they named a son
> Charles Cromwell Addington, my 5th great grandfather.

After so many generations there must be millions of living descendants.
As far as I know I'm not among them, but I wouldn't be at all surprised
to learn otherwise.


--
athel

In message <acd12084-e916-4410-b8f0-***@googlegroups.com>,
***@rpufsd.org writes:
[]
>"rumors", one of them being he's descended from the Cromwells. If he
>were, I'm thinking more along the lines of the name Cromwell was
>shortened for recording purposes (Like my great grandfather's name was
>from a long polish "ski" name to a six letter "Americanized" name). It
>could also be thru marriage as well.
>
>I prob will never know but that would just be so freaking awesome if we
>were related to them!
[]
I fear not: I think I've read (probably here) that his _male_ line died
out, so anyone claiming descent _and with the name Cromwell_ is likely
(not impossible) to be wrong. (I know you're not _claiming_ as such.)
--
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" ... but ... on the sub-ether radio, [it said] you're dead!"
"Yeah, that's right, I just haven't stopped moving yet." (link episode)

On 2/10/2016 11:18 AM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at 3:25:04 AM UTC+12, ***@btinternet.com wrote:
>> As a republican (though not a particularly virulent or obsessive one), I fell to musing over the
>> weekend while watching the Jubilee pageant on the Thames (for the boats, not the royals)
>> whether there are any living descendants of Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who
>> abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic,
>> albeit for only a relatively short period.
>>
>> According to various websites, there are many. The following site
>>
>> http://hipweb.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/cromwellcollection/genealogy/heredis/info.htm
>>
>> says.....
>>
>> "There are many people alive today who are directly descended from Oliver Cromwell, via his
>> son Henry and his daughters Bridget and Frances. Their descent has been thoroughly
>> researched and reconstructed down to the mid Victorian period. Thus so long as you can
>> trace your ancestry back as far as the 1860s, you should be able to see quite easily whether
>> or not you lock into one of the proven lines of descent from Cromwell."
>>
>> I am aware for certain of only one, the Yorkshirewoman Katharine Worsley, the Duchess of
>> Kent (and of course her children), who was born at Hovingham Hall, Hovingham, North
>> Yorkshire, in 1933 . She is the 8x-great-granddaughter of Oliver Cromwell via one of his
>> daughters, the aforementioned Frances. Ironic, is it not, that she is the Queen's first cousin,
>> yet it was her ancestor who was responsible for the execution of HM's 9x-great-grandfather
>> in 1649? I wonder if they ever discuss it over afternoon tea!
>>
>> Cromwell and his wife Elizabeth Bourchier had nine children of whom six survived to
>> adulthood but only three produced descendants.
>>
>> I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? Personally, I wish I were
>> one but no such luck!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Roy Stockdill
>> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer
>> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html
>>
>> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
>> and that is not being talked about."
>> OSCAR WILDE
>
>
> I am 19th Great- Grandchild of Oliver Cromwell. I don't know which one of Oliver's Children started my family line but I am a descendant of Oliver Cromwell.
>


Not for a moment doubting you but I'm curious - if you don't from which
son you are descended how can you know you are descended from Oliver?

On Sunday, 20 March 2016 01:54:40 UTC+13, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 4, 2012 at 4:25:04 PM UTC+1, ***@btinternet.com wrote:
> > As a republican (though not a particularly virulent or obsessive one), I fell to musing over the
> > weekend while watching the Jubilee pageant on the Thames (for the boats, not the royals)
> > whether there are any living descendants of Oliver Cromwell, my historical hero who
> > abolished the monarchy and led the execution party of Charles I, making Britain a republic,
> > albeit for only a relatively short period.
> >
> > According to various websites, there are many. The following site
> >
> > http://hipweb.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/cromwellcollection/genealogy/heredis/info.htm
> >
> > says.....
> >
> > "There are many people alive today who are directly descended from Oliver Cromwell, via his
> > son Henry and his daughters Bridget and Frances. Their descent has been thoroughly
> > researched and reconstructed down to the mid Victorian period. Thus so long as you can
> > trace your ancestry back as far as the 1860s, you should be able to see quite easily whether
> > or not you lock into one of the proven lines of descent from Cromwell."
> >
> > I am aware for certain of only one, the Yorkshirewoman Katharine Worsley, the Duchess of
> > Kent (and of course her children), who was born at Hovingham Hall, Hovingham, North
> > Yorkshire, in 1933 . She is the 8x-great-granddaughter of Oliver Cromwell via one of his
> > daughters, the aforementioned Frances. Ironic, is it not, that she is the Queen's first cousin,
> > yet it was her ancestor who was responsible for the execution of HM's 9x-great-grandfather
> > in 1649? I wonder if they ever discuss it over afternoon tea!
> >
> > Cromwell and his wife Elizabeth Bourchier had nine children of whom six survived to
> > adulthood but only three produced descendants.
> >
> > I wonder whether we have any Cromwell descendants on this list??? Personally, I wish I were
> > one but no such luck!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roy Stockdill
> > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer
> > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html
> >
> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
> > and that is not being talked about."
> > OSCAR WILDE
>
> I am not a descendant, however, I am descended from a different branch of the same family. The one which never left Wales and never changed its surname.

I am a descendant

If anybody knows the present status of the rule, I have even forgotten
what it called:

When Trust deeds could not go on forever, the time limit was 21 years
after a named living person. The starting person was somebody easy to
identify, yet unlikely to have more children. Usually, it was a
recently deceased monarch, but Oliver Cromwell would serve. The formula
was that the deed would end on the death of the last descendant of the
named monarch who was living at the date the deed was created. For a
moment, I thought that you were talking about something similar.

A link from Google Groups:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.britain/UJnea3ZTx04
gives in turn a link to a tree of Cromwell's that apparently ends in
1860. If you know which of your ancestors were alive in 1860, the tree
will do the rest.

Doug.


On 28/11/17 05:40, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> Im actually related to him myself, hes my 10x great geandad or something like that, i have been looking for the article to prove it today but had no luck, my sister was the last one to have it, she should be more careful of where she puts things...
>
And "boys should marry but not girls. Boys need somebody to pick up
after them." Like Henry Higgins needing Eliza to find his slippers.

On 09/02/18 03:39, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> Cromwell was an awful man why would you want to be descendent from him.

Only bad genealogists get to choose who they (claim to be) descended
from. I think most researchers accept that once you go that many
generations back, everyone will have some thoroughly odious, if not
outright evil ancestors. Sometimes they're the more interesting ancestors.

> It's like saying you'd like to be descended from Hitler

Hitler had no documented children. Just possibly Jean-Marie Loret was
his son, but probably not. And maybe there's the slenderest of
possibilities that Unity Mitford bore him a child. No genealogist worth
their salt would accept either based on the evidence currently known.
By contrast, Cromwell had many well documented children, some of whom
themselves had descendants. Comparing the two is to compare fact with
fiction.

Richard

On 24/03/18 04:51, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> I am a living relative of Oliver Cromwell. Found this out after tracing back on ancestry.com
>
A chap found out from his DNA that he is a living descendant of
Carthaginian sailors. So what?

On 23-Apr-18 04:04 PM, ***@gmail.com wrote:
> I am the living decendant of his sister robina cromwell on my fathers side. In fact im a direct decendant as shes my great grandmother. She married her second husband john wilkins but before they married they had a son.andrew Wilkins the second who was baptised in westminster abbey. He was illigiamet and so was not included in history for the most part. Turns out that boy is my grandfather. My name at birthday was Emma louise wilkins. My dad even looks like john wilkins.

You are the great-grandchild of someone born 500-plus years ago?
Miraculous!
--
Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/