Liverpool Forum (Anfield) - Part 28

Watch the highlights, We got chances to score but no taken. Our defence are six and seven on the second goal.

VVd play like he wan out of Liverpool this few games. Maybe Henry do not wan to pay more to extent his contract.

Trend and Fabiano look tired every games.

We are back to the dark day of before Klopp come in.

We been through worse. We can expect much more from this team. But lets not let each other walk alone now.

When you are playing bad and thinking, wat could be worse? .. It'll get better, we'll improve...? We won some.... Look... We lost more points than we earned... Can this fact shake u one bit?

So when it gets pointed out that the team is not improving with such dismal form. Top to bottom, no one gets an excuse. But the biggest share, not fsg imo. Yes, it's Klopp.

Sorry Klopp fans, he has only this season, or less to revive the current team form. If there is no deeming improvement in form and wins, we need replacement in mgmt and players.... Ya wtf... Another rebuilding?

Kinda not fair as he had delivered past seasons... But only this one season, it is faltering. I not supportive tio bo?
Cruel.... Ya... But Klopp still a legend figure ... But we cannot let the club and team meet the bottom of the spiral.

Dun becum like Rogers thinking still can make it until drag and loss all the plot together.

GunzerX said:

https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool...6670760906334&referrer=https://www.google.com

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This part sums up everything:
They look tired, uninterested, and lost, allowing the opposition to pass by them with ease. A defensive unit that was unbeatable and unbreakable. It has turned into a unit we were used to seeing pre-Klopp era. Mentality monsters have turned mentality minnows.
Last night match I see a bunch of strangers like first time playing together, all the movement and mis-passes and do agree with some posts here on VVD. Seems like he is playing with caution trying not to get injure else will miss the World Cup. Both goals from Forest and Leeds partly because of his casual defending or some term it as lazy defending.

cybertech said:

This part sums up everything:
They look tired, uninterested, and lost, allowing the opposition to pass by them with ease. A defensive unit that was unbeatable and unbreakable. It has turned into a unit we were used to seeing pre-Klopp era. Mentality monsters have turned mentality minnows.
Last night match I see a bunch of strangers like first time playing together, all the movement and mis-passes and do agree with some posts here on VVD. Seems like he is playing with caution trying not to get injure else will miss the World Cup. Both goals from Forest and Leeds partly because of his casual defending or some term it as lazy defending.

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both number 3 n 4 totally out of form. maybe thinking abt qatar 2022

daylight said:

both number 3 n 4 totally out of form. maybe thinking abt qatar 2022

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If you saw two of your team members missing their WC chances due to injuries, do you still want to join them and miss your last chance to represent your country ?
Dun forget that you will be playing the full 90 mins for all the remaining fixtures before WC.
I dun blame them.
How did the gaffer and transfer committee fail to get some able replacement for them all these years so that they can rest their legs ?

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2022/...un-5-talking-points-from-liverpool-1-2-leeds/
We were outran by Leeds this morning.
Seems like every one is also saving their legs for the remaining legs so that they dun get injured and sabo the whole team.
Or most of them are really burnt out from the training liao.
I am trying to think of the positive side of their actions.
But, how did we end up like that ?
Only Klopp know the answer or he is still in denial mode.

I still think Gomez is not good enough to play for us. Klopp's downfall will be due to having too much trust in players like Gomez, Keita who are either injury prone or not good enough.

lcyt89 said:

I still think Gomez is not good enough to play for us. Klopp's downfall will be due to having too much trust in players like Gomez, Keita who are either injury prone or not good enough.

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I think Adrian is still hanging around with us is the answer.
Dun be surprised that he is getting one more year extension at the end of the season.
We can rant about not buying new players but we are also burning money on players who are useless.
And we are releasing players who are decent like Neco.

begintoend said:

When you are playing bad and thinking, wat could be worse? .. It'll get better, we'll improve...? We won some.... Look... We lost more points than we earned... Can this fact shake u one bit?

So when it gets pointed out that the team is not improving with such dismal form. Top to bottom, no one gets an excuse. But the biggest share, not fsg imo. Yes, it's Klopp.

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im with you on this.
this season is a write-off for Klopp. his job's safe.

BUT, if next season they dont/wont/stubborn address the problems of "mc kings", the constant training injuries (med team or players being overtrained), summer buys (replacement of aging players), the contract extension of "passenger" players,

THEN KLOPP HAS TO GO.

OR?! HAS KLOPP LOST THE DRESSING ROOM ALREADY?

Preacher1010 said:

im with you on this.
this season is a write-off for Klopp. his job's safe.

BUT, if next season they dont/wont/stubborn address the problems of "mc kings", the constant training injuries (med team or players being overtrained), summer buys (replacement of aging players), the contract extension of "passenger" players,

THEN KLOPP HAS TO GO.

OR?! HAS KLOPP LOST THE DRESSING ROOM ALREADY?

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Club doctor Jim Moxon left the club on 1 Aug 2022 and a replacement has not been found. That could be a reason. The World Cup cannot come soon enough for us to rest and get injured players back to shape

begintoend said:

When you are playing bad and thinking, wat could be worse? .. It'll get better, we'll improve...? We won some.... Look... We lost more points than we earned... Can this fact shake u one bit?

So when it gets pointed out that the team is not improving with such dismal form. Top to bottom, no one gets an excuse. But the biggest share, not fsg imo. Yes, it's Klopp.

Sorry Klopp fans, he has only this season, or less to revive the current team form. If there is no deeming improvement in form and wins, we need replacement in mgmt and players.... Ya wtf... Another rebuilding?

Kinda not fair as he had delivered past seasons... But only this one season, it is faltering. I not supportive tio bo?
Cruel.... Ya... But Klopp still a legend figure ... But we cannot let the club and team meet the bottom of the spiral.

Dun becum like Rogers thinking still can make it until drag and loss all the plot together.

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It's not abt kloppvfan or not. It's been repeating. If klopp didn't join Liverpool, we won nothing under fsg. Sad to say we are same shlt as spurs in few years later. Conte may be doing well for now but few season later u might see spurs back to square one again...ownership lack of financial power is a main concern for Liverpool. Before klopp, Rodger and Kenny can't even revive much abt Liverpool. Why? Fsg still the same focus on moneyball and sell to buy policy. Fyi sacking klopp is easy. I very sure klopp may left at some point.someone took over we might be back on track but few years later same thing happen again.fsg lack of investment is showing.. sad to say in reality manager will always be first to sack but we can't do abt ownership.in this case I agree we have to let klopp go in future simply the fact that owner cannot be sacked by fans. Two variable - one is fixed (owner) and manager is variable(can be fired).

Newcastle greatest chg in fortune is mainly due to new ownership and not change of manager. Same for man city dominance is not pep doing but becos the fact that club is rich. Pep çould not have done better without constant transfer support by man city owner. He do not need to focus on net spending or balance book.

Everytime epl has a new rich club.. some club is finally revived. It is getting harder to be even a top four team year after year. For this, I really concern that as Liverpool fan we expect to be title challenger or ucl team but in reality with our 12th men behind...the financial backing is still pretty far behind those sportwashing owners. I don't blame fsg or klopp but rather the fact that epl is becoming a breeding ground for rich owner to disrupt the ffp.

I hope no matter what we can turn this poor season around but we may need to quickly replace the underperforming player. Klopp has his curse in 7th year but given dormund case. The club has not won any title since he left . Take arsene Wenger as an example now....yes arteta may be performing well this season but Wenger only miss top 4 once and he got sacked. Club owner still escape death sentence for being main culprit for lack of financial backing.

Good manager is hard to come by..if klopp left I only hope reputable one will come. I never support Brendan Rodgers as he had lack of charm to attract players. So either pep or conte or ancelotti calibre...I still think the Liverpool problem will still happen due to lack of transfer support.

Preacher1010 said:

im with you on this.
this season is a write-off for Klopp. his job's safe.

BUT, if next season they dont/wont/stubborn address the problems of "mc kings", the constant training injuries (med team or players being overtrained), summer buys (replacement of aging players), the contract extension of "passenger" players,

THEN KLOPP HAS TO GO.

OR?! HAS KLOPP LOST THE DRESSING ROOM ALREADY?

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Regarding to the points that you highlighted, I dun think FSG would approve wasting money on these players if they stick with their moneyball approach.
Who else can pushed for the contract extension of all the MC kings, ineffective players and aging players ?

The squad would require few players (wingers, midfield & defense) to be bought within the next two windows if we are expecting LFC to be back in 2023/24 season.
And dun be surprised if some of the players decide to bail out if they dun see any more improvement under Klopp.
If Klopp dun change his mindset about player transfer, there will be not much change.
He is his own worst enemy.

If klopp didn't join Liverpool, we won nothing under fsg.

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Very much agreeable and undeniably fact

GunzerX said:

It's not abt kloppvfan or not. It's been repeating. If klopp didn't join Liverpool, we won nothing under fsg. Sad to say we are same shlt as spurs in few years later. Conte may be doing well for now but few season later u might see spurs back to square one again...ownership lack of financial power is a main concern for Liverpool. Before klopp, Rodger and Kenny can't even revive much abt Liverpool. Why? Fsg still the same focus on moneyball and sell to buy policy. Fyi sacking klopp is easy. I very sure klopp may left at some point.someone took over we might be back on track but few years later same thing happen again.fsg lack of investment is showing.. sad to say in reality manager will always be first to sack but we can't do abt ownership.in this case I agree we have to let klopp go in future simply the fact that owner cannot be sacked by fans. Two variable - one is fixed (owner) and manager is variable(can be fired).

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the ownership problem that is pointed out, money ball and sell to buy, i have actually acknowledged and accept long ago. So you see, this season is we never sell to buy more. The squad needs to sell deadwood and buy to replace them. This season window is already too late but we still didn't make it happen.... Haizzz

I mean everyone posted this here. But it wasn't done. Why leh? Because I feel that klopp and his team allowed this to happen.
"I want this this and that player."
"Cannot. To buy, please offload some 1st.."
"I still need XXX and this YYY. Dun sell them 1st . I turn them proper then. "
rinse & repeat
Or
klopp only opt to sell when player wanna leave.
Case being origi stood firm in staying until last season.
Mane was sold becos he wanted leave for new challenge.
Other players wanted to leave becos got interests with 1st 11 option.
klopp will not suddenly tell FSG "OK we sell him to make place for XXX"

Manager will be removed 1st is correct.... its always easier than change ownership
we can't dedicate a caretaker owner.... but we can have a caretaker manager.
We can even hope for who the next manager.... but in ownership games, we reallly dunno who is the next interest?

And to have some oil relations in ownership will be good actually...
So hoping to turn us into exactly wat some fans dun want us to be...
That is splurge money like the 2 manchester clubs or PSG.
I see how they react
Dream only...

Preacher1010 said:

im with you on this.
this season is a write-off for Klopp. his job's safe.

BUT, if next season they dont/wont/stubborn address the problems of "mc kings", the constant training injuries (med team or players being overtrained), summer buys (replacement of aging players), the contract extension of "passenger" players,

THEN KLOPP HAS TO GO.

OR?! HAS KLOPP LOST THE DRESSING ROOM ALREADY?

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I highly doubt the chances klopp lost dressing room
for some reason, i still feel the squad is in his control, very much.
My isssue is in the games, game deployment, it lacks something.
Are they trying something new?
Or are they asking too much of the player?
Maybe it is also age catching up with klopp....
he really loss a lot of his energy in his football....
I truly mean it when I say the team is a direct reflection of the manager.

begintoend said:

Very much agreeable and undeniably fact



the ownership problem that is pointed out, money ball and sell to buy, i have actually acknowledged and accept long ago. So you see, this season is we never sell to buy more. The squad needs to sell deadwood and buy to replace them. This season window is already too late but we still didn't make it happen.... Haizzz

I mean everyone posted this here. But it wasn't done. Why leh? Because I feel that klopp and his team allowed this to happen.
"I want this this and that player."
"Cannot. To buy, please offload some 1st.."
"I still need XXX and this YYY. Dun sell them 1st . I turn them proper then. "
rinse & repeat
Or
klopp only opt to sell when player wanna leave.
Case being origi stood firm in staying until last season.
Mane was sold becos he wanted leave for new challenge.
Other players wanted to leave becos got interests with 1st 11 option.
klopp will not suddenly tell FSG "OK we sell him to make place for XXX"

Manager will be removed 1st is correct.... its always easier than change ownership
we can't dedicate a caretaker owner.... but we can have a caretaker manager.
We can even hope for who the next manager.... but in ownership games, we reallly dunno who is the next interest?

And to have some oil relations in ownership will be good actually...
So hoping to turn us into exactly wat some fans dun want us to be...
That is splurge money like the 2 manchester clubs or PSG.
I see how they react
Dream only...

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Yes u r right. I never deny that klopp is partly at fault for some issue but he is not the reason for our downfall.

We all know klopp broke a curse of 30yrs to epl title and on two occasions he almost won us a title again. I think we shd give him more patience. Unless we find a better manager than klopp which I feel at current market he is our best and only option. For ownership of cos we can't do anything but I hope fsg can focus more on supporting the club with more transfer fund. With Newcastle and man city loaded with money, I would say two of top four position probably end up with this two consistently. That left only two positions to man utd Chelsea Liverpool spur and arsenal.

Sad to say I can't forsee us getting title again with current fsg wealth and even change klopp won't affect my decision. Epl is getting tougher becos of these oil rich club. Why not ask klopp to join Newcastle and I sure he can perform better under rich owner. That is just an assumption but likely he can do better with more backing.

Psg was nothing until rich owner come.
Newcastle has its glory days but with Mike Ashley gone and richest consortium ownership...I can see Alan shearer laughing at his room daily...a dream come true for the magpies.
Man city early days with sun jihai, Fowler and anelka to current status....owes it to Arab..
What I trying to say for long term interest for the club, change of ownership is the way to go. For short term change yes managerial change might help. But few years later will be back to square one like spurs.

What if klopp was sacked by fsg and then Newcastle hire him and he decide to join..I doubt he will do this but if he did...I bet some of us will feel gutted.

Even klopp himself commented that Newcastle is in cheat code.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...tle-liverpool-jurgen-klopp-superstar-25365559
I am sure if another Arab rich owner buy another lower epl team again like Southampton we can say goodbye to top 4 .

GunzerX said:

Psg was nothing until rich owner come.
Newcastle has its glory days but with Mike Ashley gone and richest consortium ownership...I can see Alan shearer laughing at his room daily...a dream come true for the magpies.
Man city early days with sun jihai, Fowler and anelka to current status....owes it to Arab..
What I trying to say for long term interest for the club, change of ownership is the way to go. For short term change yes managerial change might help. But few years later will be back to square one like spurs.

What if klopp was sacked by fsg and then Newcastle hire him and he decide to join..I doubt he will do this but if he did...I bet some of us will feel gutted.

Even klopp himself commented that Newcastle is in cheat code.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...tle-liverpool-jurgen-klopp-superstar-25365559
I am sure if another Arab rich owner buy another lower epl team again like Southampton we can say goodbye to top 4 .

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I am not defending FSG or Klopp, but we need to point out that Newcastle did not spend crazy money on players. The players they bought are not big names, and let's be honest, if we bought the exact same players Newcastle bought, most here will kbkp and say those are not big enough names for Liverpool.

The biggest issue, everyone can see, is that the players have already won all the trophies and they don't have the hunger anymore. Even if we had the same amount of money as Newcastle, we all know that Klopp would not sell all of his players and rebuild the team because of his loyalty.

Klopp failed 3 times at 3 clubs after being with them for 7 years because the players were getting lethargic and they were just going through the motions. Even if PSG or Real get Klopp to be their manager, the same thing will happen after 7 years as the players have lost the hunger to step up and Klopp is not ruthless enough to get rid of them.

silent_espy said:

Klopp failed 3 times at 3 clubs after being with them for 7 years because the players were getting lethargic and they were just going through the motions. Even if PSG or Real get Klopp to be their manager, the same thing will happen after 7 years as the players have lost the hunger to step up and Klopp is not ruthless enough to get rid of them.

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this is a worrying part but i dun believe in curses....
Its like thanks to klopp, he won with us the most trophies and the whole range of it.
Records were broken and set.

But yes, this 7 years thing, suddenly becomes more than a coincidence.
Because of the keen similarities he hold on to the same players, there is a lack of change and challenge.
We depended too much of a Mane, Firmino, Salah combi that we hardly improved from this trio.
Even when Jota and Diaz came in, the original trio were always the better ones.

There needs to be a re-ignition of fire to klopp and the team.
Seriously as fans, i dunno how can it be achieved.

Going to two finals and losing, losing the title by 1 point each time. This has gotta take a toll on the players at the very least.