So, i have a band with friends but they got like the worst generic taste that i ever see it... (for me of course, its my fucking post)
I try to come up with riffs and things (a lot of) i really like Prog metal, Doom, Groove and Traditional metal (im not the best player ever but i consider myself something lol) and they feel that its too "traditional metal", too old, and then they proceds to show me some generic modern bs that you can't even hear the guitar through the mix full of synth's, effects and over produced pop vocals... saying thats The future and we have to do this shit to become something
They are my friends and we have a little bit of appreciation in our small city scene and i really want to keep playing guitar even if its not 100% ideal but this things just hit me a lot and i feel bad that i will not find other band (im pretty awful socializing and doing network)
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Keep working with em but work on your own shit you enjoy as well
Yea. I got a band, and I like to do my own stuff but still have it under are name. (I like black, doom, and tech death, while they lean towards nu, and groove metal)
U can put some techdeath at the band songs tho
If your pride can handle it, stay with them. Let them have creative control and treat it more like a gig. Find creativity in trying to meet their vision instead of your own. Maybe sneak elements of your own sound into theirs if possible.
Oh, and if one of them is really talented, rally behind them. One thing I wish I realized when I was younger is that competition against your friends can ruin everything. I had a super talented friend that I didn't rally behind, because our vision didn't align. I dropped out and ended up doing nothing. Without me, he burned out. We had something, even if it wasn't what I wanted it to be.
Of course, if another opportunity comes up, go for it. Just make sure that, if you end things, do it on good terms. Don't shit on their music. Let them know it's just not for you.
The only correct answer imo
Fr. It’s the music, the money, the hang. Sounds like he wants the hang and money (“become something”)
Try convincing them to mix the two styles in order to stand out of the crowd more and see where that takes you
If you are only thinking in fame/money yes, doing the melodic nu metalcore is probably the safest way to achieve something. Other option is to follow the Ghost path doing old school rock/metal but seasoned with tons of pop to make it appealing for the masses.
If you care about artistic integrity do whatever genre you like and be good at it, you will never be famous like metalcore bands but still have a chance for recognition, just look at bands like Imperial triumphant, they play the most obnoxious anti-mainstream music possible and still are fairly known and appreciated by metal sites and the community.
Remember, fame in 2024 means to be appealing to tiktok kids, they are people responsible for the hype, just look at Bad omens or Sleep token, they went from nobodies to almost headliner status in few months.
Other options if you still want to create more legit metal music is to promote it with good social media management, usually a youtube channel, caring about your community, doing memeable content and trying to enter the sphere of guitar youtubers, as an example you have Dean lamb from Archspire. Estepario siberiano is a top tier drummer that is known too because he uploads a lot of content. Same with deathcore, just look how Will ramos became trendy doing Sleep token colabs or being in reaction channels, or Alex terrible from Slaughter to prevail.
If they’re worried about what is the next big thing and trying to ride what’s trendy, then get out and make stuff with people that you gel with. Why put effort into material you’re not proud of?
Like most musicians, just bear with them until either one of these things happen:
- you get new better band mates, by fate or outta nowhere (this happened to me but I still stayed friends with my old band)
- your nu-metalcore friends were right and money started flowing in and you’ve somehow accumulated enough experience and gold to start your own adventure
- nothing happened with your band’s vision. Don’t be a “told you so” guy, just keep humble, slowly back out and find a way to make bullet number one happen
The only way forward is progressive
Best way to see which people will react better to is to do a version of a song the way they want and then try doing a version of the song the way you want and upload both of them to say this sub or another sub and ask people to vote which version they like best.
Doing this will give an unbiased view for you guys to show what direction is best to go and if you still disagree with each other after that stay to help them while working on your own solo project like someone else on here said.
This sub is biased tho. They'll post it on r/music and most people will prefer the nu pop
metalcore stuff.True but putting on r/metalcore might work
If they’re only doing what everyone else is doing, don’t expect much of anything in the future. The last band I played with was often compared with System of a Down. It was a fun gig, but I predicted nothing would come of it. The one song I contributed in my year in the band which made it to their album stuck out like a sore thumb, but I was doing what I could to not sound like SOAD, unlike most of the other material.
Ultimately, you need to decide what you want to do and make yourself happy.
Maybe try and find members for a new band through a social media post. Or make a solo project, program the drums and find someone interested on the Internet to sing and send you the vocal tracks. This will obviously be a studio only band but it's something
Any music designed to emulate existing music is not going to be the future of music
Try get them to use a few of your ideas, you’re part of the band. If they don’t want to do that then leave. But you also have to be willing to do things their way at the same time. It’s a give and take for everyone.
Honestly, if I was doing metalcore and someone kept coming to me with trad metal I’d wonder what the fuck they were doing.
Most definitely. That sounds crazy. Save yourself.
If you don't like what you they're producing and you yourself aren't happy with it, then I'd leave. It's not worth being in a band you don't enjoy being in.
Why don't you show them some killswitch engage. Or lamb of God. Between the buried and me. Unearth. Try and see what they think. And if they say nope. Quit.
Find a way to kill them but will only get you like 5 -10 years or so. While in write music and on the outside youll get a rep for having the kill to do something like that to your shitty bands mates. Others will check out your music because you went to prison for murder. Youll become successful and a rock star and then youll be the future of metal not that metalcore nu shit thats out now. I dont even know what that is i just listwn to blackmetal.
Shine on you crazy diamond
How does emulating what's popular now lead to you becoming something? I mean when Metallica moved to California, Glam was the big new thing, audiences there hated them at first because they sounded too punk. (Not that I think you should be comparing yourselves to other bands or whatever, but it's an example.)
I thought the idea was to find your own sound, not trend-hop. Is Metalcore even a thing anymore? I kind of thought most of those bands were playing pop punk now. As another example, Alestorm did something somewhat original, as a pirate themed band with a sea shanty/folk/power metal type sound. More recently, there's apparently a lot of pirate folk/power metal bands now (there used to be 3 pirate bands, and they were all in different subgenres) but I couldn't name a single one. If you follow trends, you fall into the background.
Depends. In terms of getting big and popular, not really. There's a lot of alt metal and poppy hard rock with an occasional breakdown that's being called metalcore that's doing well (Bring Me The Horizon, Motionless In White, Spirtibox and the like). Knocked Loose are a notable outlier in blowing the fuck up while playing a style that wouldn't have been out of place in the 90s.
There's always quality proper metalcore around, though. Those bands tend to be doing really well if they get to 100 - 200k monthly listeners on Spotify.
Why are you friends to begin with
Have y’all talked about what type of music you intend to make?
Give up on your friends
my band fired me even though i started just because i asked if we could do more traditional metal styles and they wanted emo rock
Just call them posers all the time but change nothing else
What we used to do was just make noise and jam things out until a song developed, then put counts and structure to it. Not for everyone, especially guys who were on their 3rd or 4th project, and just want to work on the songs they wrote.
I had a similar experience back in the early 2000s. I grew up with grunge, thrash, and hair metal. My bandmates ( 3 and 4 years younger than me) were really into Slipknot, Killswitch, Snot, Korn, that kind of stuff. I was also going through my 'Must be amazing guitar player' phase, so my play style was heavily influenced by Hendrix, Page, SRV, that kind of hero worship.
They were always complaining that I wasn't "crunchy" enough, to much warm fuzz and reverb. But I wanted to actually hear the notes I was hitting... Our bass player was a natural at slap bass. Slap, snap, and pull he called it. He loved Fieldy of Korn's play style.
The scene in the area at the time was a lot of punk and math metal, along with those ever-present cover bands who idolized dream theater.
Despite all of these conflicting agendas and influences, we really wanted our project to work. The sound that came out was a mix of funky metal/ bar rock, with an instrumental (ballad?) that got us a standing ovation at one show, promoters weren't really interested in us due to our revolving door of singers, but not the point.
I guess what I'm getting at is, every five to ten years or so, someone comes up with a unique sound, and then you get a lot of imitators. Combine your influences, and do your own thing. But, most of all, have fun. Jamming with those guys was the best time of my life, even if we didn't see eye to eye musically.
Give up on them Pop Metalcore and Nu Metal are not gonna do good for you
Spending band time listening to records that you think you should emulate is a very bad investment of precious time. You shouldn't preconceive what you want to do, you should just begin working on a song of your own and just go with whatever comes to the table. If they don't like your riff they shouldn't be saying no and showing you random records, they should be saying what they think would make that riff better here and now, so you can keep working on the track until it's finished. Let it be whatever it naturally ends up being.
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