How to get rid of Elective Monarchy Succession?

Beyond Disbelief

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• Dec 28, 2016

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Hello,

I recently started playing again after purchasing Conclave, and I'm at a loss at how to change my succession away from Elective. It seems all successions have a "All of the folloiwng must be NOT true" and among them, "Has the law Elective Monarchy"

Is Elective succession a one-way street that can never be changed again?

 

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• Dec 28, 2016

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You need to change to late medieval - on the second tab in the laws section i think - i forgot what it is called scroll down - i didn't realise you could scroll down. You will need to buy some favours as your council will always refuse to support it. Once you have late medieval it opens up primogeniture.

 

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• Dec 28, 2016

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I have late medieval and council power is abolished. After staring at the conditiosn for a while, although elective monarchy is still checked, I think its just a semantics thing that made the requirements sound weird under the "All of the following must NOT be true"

My vassals are currently warring each other, hopefully when they stop warring I can find out if I actually do meet the requirements or not.

Looking at it again, if I'm not mistaken (because the criteria is checked) - i'd say the semantics there is wrong - not only is it confusing but also logically inaccurate - it would be more accurate to say "At least one of the following must not be true"

 

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• Dec 28, 2016

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I'm interested to hear if you can switch out of it or not. My interpretation of the mouse-over rules list was that once you're in it, you can never leave - but that may be incorrect as you stated above. I've never let my empires slide into elective succession, but I notice AI empires invariably end up with elective, and never change out of it, which is very strange and non-historical. Powerful rulers should almost always want to switch to primogeniture in the medieval era...

 

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• Dec 28, 2016

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AI empires cannot leave elective because they are bad at getting all vassals to positive, being at peace and no vassal wars at the same time. That and due to how prolific the Increase Council Power factions are, actually getting out of total council control long enough to switch out is a challenge for AI.

Really wish CK2 had goal-oriented AI for rulers.

 

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• Dec 28, 2016

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Eadras said:

I'm interested to hear if you can switch out of it or not. My interpretation of the mouse-over rules list was that once you're in it, you can never leave - but that may be incorrect as you stated above. I've never let my empires slide into elective succession, but I notice AI empires invariably end up with elective, and never change out of it, which is very strange and non-historical. Powerful rulers should almost always want to switch to primogeniture in the medieval era...

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I'm pretty sure that it is possible to switch out of elective, but I agree that the tooltip that pops up when you mouse over the rules for changing you succession seems to say that you can't. But a lot of the tooltips are incorrect or misleadingly worded.

 

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• Dec 30, 2016

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yeah if you read the tooltips they are essentially saying you can never change. but once you have late medieval, have a positive vassal relationship, even those in prison by the looks of it, and have reigned 10 years the tick should turn green.

 

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• Dec 30, 2016

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Yep, I was wrong in my earlier post. In my current game, I watched my enemy, Francia, successfully transition from elective to primogeniture, and have 5 successive emperors named "Lothaire".

 

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• Dec 31, 2016

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Ok, so its a wording error. I was in fact, able to change from Elective Succession to Primo with my current conditions once vassals stopped warring.

Attached a screenshot from an older save for mind share (forgot to save/take screenshot from just before the change)

The logically correct wording should be "One of the follow must not be true." Alternatively, if you really want to use negatives because of how the game logic check things, it should have been "Not all of the following is true."

This isn't technically a typo, does this qualify as a bug? How do we ask Pdox to fix this?

EDIT: Fixed screenshot. Using Print Screen with 2 monitors meant sharing more than I intended to

 

Last edited: Dec 31, 2016

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• Dec 31, 2016

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You can perfectly well switch out of elective. And it's not at all some nightmare law that you "slide into" - it's one of the best succession laws if you know how to game it right.

 

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• Dec 31, 2016

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Harassercat said:

You can perfectly well switch out of elective. And it's not at all some nightmare law that you "slide into" - it's one of the best succession laws if you know how to game it right.

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Half of the time. The other half it's more annoying than Gavelkind.

 

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• Dec 31, 2016

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Sunspawn said:

Half of the time. The other half it's more annoying than Gavelkind.

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Ditto that. I'm familiar with how to game it, but between "been there, done that" and breaking in my friend who just started CK2 last week via multiplayer its an additional layer of micro that I rather not deal with.

Additionally, most rulers currently have different cultures in my current game, I only just recently mass revoked and installed same culture dynasty members as vassals, who are now suffering claim wars.

I may switch back in a few generations after other claimants die out, though.