Last weekend’s flight from Toronto to Halifax was jammed. Pearson airport was a roiling sea of humanity. It looked like 2019, but with masks. At YHZ there was a hasty wave-through for the double-dosed. Shortly afterwards the new (Conservative) NS premier announced the pandemic will be over on Wednesday the 15th. No more mandatory face coverings. No gathering limits. No restrictions. But also by early October the unvaccinated will lose the right to dine out, go to a gym, a bar or club, a concert at the school or most other places where people gather. Maybe work, soon.
At the same time the US president is begging Americans to get vaxed, telling larger employers they must comply and ordering millions of federal employees to accept the jab. In Canada we have a full-vax rate approaching 70% nationally. In the States it’s 52%. Delta is ravaging certain areas. US health care is buckling where the anti-vaccination crowd is concentrated. It’s an economic threat Wall Street’s worrying about. Down 2% from recent highs.
Now the point of this post is to point out something everybody should be aware of. Vaccination = jobs. Jobs = GDP growth. And expansion = Mr. Market happiness.
The TSX has gained 18% in 2021, and is 32% higher than a year ago. That’s running neck-and-neck with US markets, which are suddenly showing a soupcon of concern. And did you catch the latest labour stats on Friday?
Another 90,200 jobs created/restored in August (most full-time), atop 94,000 in July and 231,000 in June. The unemployment rate is barely 7% – after being double that for a spell during the pandemic – and we’re now just 156,000 employed workers short of the good old days before you ever heard of Covid 19.
So it’s reasonable to assume we’ll be back at pre-crisis levels in a month or two. That’ll be the big signal for the Bank of Canada to start turning the stimulus tap off. Routine bond-buying will probably drop by half, allowing yields to rise, followed in 2022 with the first interest rate hike. Once again it’s worth reminding people taking out 1.5% mortgages in 2021 that they’ll be renewing at double that level (at least) in 2026.
So while Canada has an ugly federal balance sheet, appalling deficits and dangerous debt, the jobs news is bullish. Without a doubt Justin Trudeau will crow about this for the next week. And it bodes well for a further stock pop. So keep your Canadian weighting where it should have been for the last year – about 20% of the growth portion of a portfolio. (Suggestion: 9% in an ETF mirroring the TSX, 6% in a robust dividend fund and 5% REITs.)
What’s next for the Canadian herd?
The questions now: can we achieve herd immunity and push into a full-fledged recovery? What does that mean? How many? Will the vaxports being rolled out (BC, Quebec, Ontario, NS etc) push the hesitant and the fearful into being vaccinated? How about the slew of new vaccine mandates – at all of the banks and big companies like Shopify, for example – will they let us defeat Covid? Or will there be social unrest, pushback and more Max Bernier-style political resistance to the final phase of inoculation?
So many questions. Fundamental to them is (at the risk of poking the beast), is why a hundred million in North America would be so selfish or cowardly not to get vaxed when the serum is free, effective and approved, and the process will help keep you alive plus (in Alberta) you get paid to take it? Billions of folks globally would happily trade places. It’s an utter mystery to most. Now vaccine passports will force the issue, ensuring the next few months will not be among society’s finest.
Anti-vax protestors clog a street in Nanaimo, BC.
Ah well. Despite the protests and squawking, the reopening trade will continue. So will inflation. I found this comment interesting, coming from a financial dude colleague:
“We are short of everything. Not enough homes. Not enough cars. Not enough meat. Hardly any inventory. Not enough workers. We didn’t do anything for a year & then tossed around 20% of GDP for fun money. We have a lot of paper & not a lot of stuff. Gonna be hot for a while”.
Asset inflation is what got us into this real estate mess. It’s why a crap house in a city with few jobs costs seven figures now. Central bank largesse and politicians trying to paper over a crisis with other people’s money have also inflated financial assets. Investors are fat and happy. But there’s a key difference between these two asset classes. Canadians buy houses with huge amounts of leverage – up to 20x. We owe more than a trillion on real estate, and mortgage growth exploded last year. In contrast, few of us borrow to buy ETFs, to stuff a TFSA or sock money into a retirement fund.
If asset inflation is a thing – and it is – you can see where risk lies. CBs cannot keep the taps open. Rates cannot stay at this level. Political irresponsibility must be corralled. The pendulum will swing in reverse and you will be thankful you eschewed debt. And got vaxed.
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I like the “Jail Trudeau” placard.
Simple, elegant, effective…
“Dangerous debt” Which part is dangerous, Federal?
The Federal Deficit is not sustainable, that much is clear. Vote accordingly.
However, we still have not paid off world war 2, yet Canada is still here, quality of life has gone up over the last 80 years, as has life expectancy, gdp, etc.
Japan’s Federal Debt is north of 250% if GDP yet the country has not yet burst into flames and sunk into the Pacific Ocean.
@124 IHCTD9
“**”What went wrong for middle class Canada?”**
First globalization, then massive immigration, and finally Trudeau.”
Add in CERB and WFH.
Wait til the Canadian COVID-19 WFHers get globalized. People who no longer want to go to the office will, fairly quickly, get to see what competition on the global scale is like.
CERB will likely look like a great deal, as jobs get off-shored or even out-of-provinced. Why work for an off-shoring sweatshop when you can sit around all day smoking legal weed? Internet and phone is really expensive in Canada, not to mention home repairs, purchase costs, taxes, and lots of snow shoveling, so expenses here in Canada are not minimal.
(no, no, not gloating, just worrying about the younger generations. The office has benefits that may not seem apparent at first glance, and we are throwing it away)
Hour-long wait in YYC to cast a ballot in favor of removing the woke himbo. Would have gone faster if the poll workers were familiar with the order of the letters in the alphabet but I guess qualified people make more money staying home.
What is it about the conservative ideology that attracts so many anti-science nutters?
I’m economically very conservative, socially liberal. Not a fan of Trudeau at all. OToole seems like a level, smart guy with realistic ideas.
But what, 60% of his caucus straight-up doesn’t believe climate change is real???? I can’t vote for that. That’s embarrassing.
I thought yesterday’s debate was a disgrace.
The top domestic issue facing the country – housing affordability, or lack thereof – was barely touched on. And when Barton asked Singh whether we should sacrifice some owner equity so that young people have a genuine shot, Singh gave a typical politician’s reply of, “We can do both.” Hogwash! Owners have enjoyed windfall gains of 30-40% in a year for sitting on their behinds – heaven forbid they give some of that back so that young people don’t have to emigrate, or else live 10 to a basement or down by the river.
This country is seriously messed up.
I can’t in a million years vote for the PPC, but they’re the only party telling mostly the truth on housing. It’s right there in their platform. For that reason alone I would have liked to see Bernier in that debate.
Canada has the second worst Debt:GDP in the industrialized world, only behind Japan. Japan isn’t too worried as the Japanese Yen is a safe haven… the Canadian Dollar is not. Why aren’t more Canadians worried? Canada has been warned that Canadian debt could lose it’s AAA status (thanks to IMF and the World Bank), yet T2 continues to dig us into a deeper and more unsustainable debt. How do we get out of this? Much, much higher taxes and/or massive inflation. How would you like spending $500 on a loaf of bread and being at par with the Mexican peso?
The future for Canada is PAIN.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/debt-to-gdp-continues-to-rise-around-world/
“…. why a hundred million in North America would be so selfish or cowardly not to get vaxed when the serum is free, effective and approved, and the process will help keep you alive…”
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Like Tom Vu’s three secret words.
“They are stupid”.
“the hesitant and the fearful” – how about childishly oppositional? “You can’t make me!”. You’re right, we can’t make you expose yourself to antigens. But we *can* exclude you from large groups of people who did not consent to the risk your presence poses, just like your parents sent you upstairs without dinner. Yes, your presence poses a risk, and you don’t get to decide whether the general public should bear it. Stop whining and learn to live in modern society.
The people who we need to accept this message will reject what I’ve written, but the rest of us can accept it and get on their case. There is no rational reason for a health adolescent through senior citizen not to get vaccinated, though you can find support for any irrational position you want on the internet. We need to stop accepting this and call it out for what it is – selfish, stupid and childish, and bring on vaccine passports. We need to make the free riders pay their fare, one way or another.
There will be no herd immunity. Covid-19 has gone from pandemic to a seasonal beast and will now relentlessly continue to spread. This will not end—–ever. Get your vaccine or suffer the consequences. Mask or non-mask, vaccinated or not, you will be infected. Everyone will get this nasty virus. Get your vaccine.
NS premier announced the pandemic will be over on Wednesday the 15th. No more mandatory face coverings. No gathering limits. No restrictions. But also by early October the unvaccinated will lose the right to dine out – Garth
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Wait, a whole month of zero restrictions and then vaxports? That can’t be right…
Garth, the government will simply roll out 40 year mortgage terms and then 50 year mortgage terms… anything to keep the payments okay and the housing party going.
Those damn Yankees don’t want to listen to their president, eh? Hmmmmm. Perhaps Mr. Biden could invite the PM PM (Mr. Justin Trudeau) to speak to them. When he speaks people listen; I am certain his dulcet tones would have the unvaxed stampeding to get the jab. The PM PM’s words are very powerful indeed.
Enjoy the weekend folks.
BB
What a sweet pooch
We lifted restrictions here in Saskatchewan on July 11. Case rates have skyrocketed from 30 cases per day to over 300. Hospitals are diverting as their ICU’s are full.
Schools are back in session this week. No province wide masking requirement. And of course, winter is coming.
What do you want more? A free hospital bed should you need one, or more lockdowns?
Get vaccinated if you want. Don’t if you don’t. The vitriol is just so tiring. Let people make their own decisions on what level of risk they wish to take, how about? Or just mandate it and stop pretending to care about liberty. So long as it’s my decision, I’ll be declining. Come what may! Such is life.
Why? – Garth
#3 Def Lated on 09.09.21 at 1:44 pm
The tire pump machine is $1.50 in the GTA – or was last year. Tap debit or credit.
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Dolce: what do you make of Table 4, page 10. For the 40+ crowd.
Table 4. COVID-19 cases by vaccination status between week 32 and week 35 2021
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf
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Back to normal soon guys! It’s not like this is set to run untll 2025 or anything.
The (former) First World Countries are to be completely shut down – placed into permanent medical and/or climate lockdowns.
Add in the coming worker strikes over forced mandates. We will tear each other up – as our elite rulers watch, roaring with laughter. This war is not meant to be won.
Well that stupid leaked doc said Supply Chain meltdown in Q3. Et tu, truckers?
(Manufacturing of Consent – not news:)
.Majority Of Americans Want A Vaccine Mandate For Domestic Flights(www.forbes.com)
.Australia: ‘One case’ could spark a new lockdown in NSW after opening plan was revealed(www.news.com.au)
.Toronto Star @TorontoStar
Scientists are warning that a new variant dubbed ‘Mu’ — already detected in Ontario — contains a set of mutations indicating it could be resistant to neutralizing antibodies arising from vaccination and infection.
If there were a State of the Union speech for Canada, today’s Blog would have been it.
The only issue health wise is to get 4.9M vaxd (12+ yrs old, eligible) so as to keep them out of hospital, the morgue and to let people in need of medical attention for other than Covid to get it.
UK already has said it will take over ONE YEAR to clear the backlog of non-Covid patients. Canada quiet about this but I doubt it is any different.
I do not believe Canada (or other countries) will ever attain herd immunity, about 90%, so the unvaxd will NEVER benefit from others having been vaxd.
I hate to say it but I would OBLIGE the unvaxd to get vaxd be it via fines, denial of entry into enclosed spaces, etc. controlled via a Green Pass or the like. Pretty much what the Americans are headed towards.
Then Canada can finally get rid of the damn masks, Italia included and then slowly begin to dispense with all the fear centered around Covid.
A return to normal, whatever that will be.
If asset inflation is a thing – and it is – you can see where risk lies.
Historically one of the places that inflation has increased risk has been with the value of the currency.
“… why a hundred million in North America would be so selfish or cowardly not to get vaxed when the serum is free, effective and approved, and the process will help keep you alive plus (in Alberta) you get paid to take it? Billions of folks globally would happily trade places. It’s an utter mystery to most.”
I would give you a full, detailed reply to all your questions, backed up by scientific studies by PhD immunologists, PhD infectious disease scientists, PhD biologists, PhD vaccinologists … but you would immediately censor me.
In fact, anytime any expert tries to answer the above questions, they’re censored by big tech, big media, big pharma, big govt. and the medical establishment.
Also, any working doctors, nurses, scientists, university profs, (all PhDs, Masters of Science) are immediately threatened by dismissal if they try to speak their mind. And many have quit or been fired rather than submit.
So Garth, your questions will never be answered and our reasons will continue to remain a mystery to you. But that’s a choice you’ve made.
No heard immunity will be achievable based on a constantly mutating virus.
Just look at other countries with higher vax rates than us(Israel for example).
This is endemic (ie: we need to learn to live with it because it will never fully go away)
Israel, the US, and three other countries were officially removed from a list of nations deemed “epidemiologically safe” by the European Union on Monday, September 6th, due to rising COVID-19 cases
Israel has started administering booster shot of coronavirus to all citizens. The decision was taken even though the World Health Organization (WHO) has urged countries not to start the booster programme till all other nations have been able to vaccinate at least the vulnerable people.
However, this may not be the end of the vaccines, Zarka claims. He said that as more variants are being identified and Delta variant is spreading at an alarming speed, cases, hospitalization and Covid-related deaths are expected to rise.
Considering that, Zarka claims that a fourth shot of the Covid vaccine will be needed after some time. “Given that the virus is here and is here to stay, we must also ready ourselves for the fourth jab,” he said in an interview with a local media house. “This is our life from now on, in waves.”
#15 TurnerNation
Good get. You are not the only that noticed this.
Today I think it was, UK’s Doc Campbell admitted that its the mentality of the people in the UK where the behavioural factors are better in Europe than in the UK.
In as many words he said we’re as highly vaxd as other EU countries (if not more) yet we have way more people getting new cases, in hospital and dying per capita vs. others.
https://youtu.be/oMNVxcpJ4tU?t=499
It’s in the behavioural attitude towards Covid.
I agree with him.
“… why a hundred million in North America would be so selfish or cowardly not to get vaxed when the serum is free…”
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And furthermore:
“Slander is used by those with a weak argument.”
Me, Sept. 2021
Australia’s double dosed vaccination rate sits at a lowly 40%
Maybe that drunken trip to the tattoo parlour scared them away from needles forever…
M47BC
O’TOOLE HAS A PLAN.
13 years,….thats how long the central banks have had to raise rates to normal levels, (2-5%). the fed could have started raising 0.25-0.5% a year back in 2010.
By 2019 they would have been at 2.25-4%.
The markets would have handled it, (no sudden rate shocks, like in 2018), No zombie companies, no housing crises, no overheated stock market, more trust in CBs and government. more investment in industry and business. but nope they would not touch them….
Clearly, they must have had an agenda.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE AFTER ALL THIS, THAT IT ISN’T BY DESIGN.???
Sorry, no rate hikes for this generation…
So many questions. Fundamental to them is (at the risk of poking the beast), is why a hundred million in North America would be so selfish or cowardly not to get vaxed when the serum is free, effective and approved, and the process will help keep you alive plus (in Alberta) you get paid to take it? Billions of folks globally would happily trade places. It’s an utter mystery to most. Now vaccine passports will force the issue, ensuring the next few months will not be among society’s finest.
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My wife is a nurse that works at a rather large hospital he in the big smoke. She cannot believe how many people will not get the vaccine believing that it is untested and unproven. Even some the staff are against it. The common denominator among her peers is “Its my decision not to get it”. Well at least until the medical system told them otherwise. It was a WTF moment for me when she told me this.
As far as the rest of the anti-vaxers and its my decision people I say great! Don’t get it. We petition the government to ask them to make their decisions official and mark it on ink with a big X stating that I “fill in the name” hereby decline being vaccinated with “Moderna, Pfizer or Astra Zeneca. We then ship the does of your vaccine to any place in the world where they want them and will accept them. When the shit hits the fan and the un-vaccinated start to drop like flies well sorry you didn’t want your does so we gave to someone who did want it. Have a good day, however long that it lasts, bye, bye.
Sorry I’m just tied of these people bitching about the vaccine but YOUR ignorance is filling up our hospital beds that deserving people really need. You didn’t take the vaccine cause you didn’t want fine then just go somewhere private and curl up please until you meet your maker. My wife would not agree with my unpleasant rant as she is dedicated to saving lives even the stupid ignorant ones.
#3 Another Deckchair on 09.10.21 at 2:17 pm
@124 IHCTD9
“**”What went wrong for middle class Canada?”**
First globalization, then massive immigration, and finally Trudeau.”
Add in CERB and WFH.
Wait til the Canadian COVID-19 WFHers get globalized. People who no longer want to go to the office will, fairly quickly, get to see what competition on the global scale is like.
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Just a matter of time. Globalization is an evolutionary force IMHO. It’s the logical destination for the maximization of all the world’s labour and resources. Everything will eventually be done where it can be done at the lowest cost. Eventually, human labour and brainpower input will have little to do with production.
We’re close, maybe Starlink will be the technology to really get the ball rolling. WFH positions do seem at extremely high risk of being punted into a 3rd world country to save $. I’d 100% bet on it if it’s a well paid job, and can truly be done remotely.
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Garth,
Israel is denying vaccine passports if people have not had a 3rd booster – seems the vaccine wears off after 6 months (according to them).
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-may-deny-green-passports-to-people-who-have-not-received-covid-booster-1.10147312
Could this could happen in Canada?
“ Once again it’s worth reminding people taking out 1.5% mortgages in 2021 that they’ll be renewing at double that level (at least) in 2026.”
Hahaha, oh man, that is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard!
JT called the election now because he knows what is coming. Things will get worse and so will the odds of staying in power, which is why the other parties were in no hurry for another election.
The foolish and blind still cannot see, or refuse to admit, that there will not be a back to normal, only the new normal. Cue Australia. Call it what you want, the great reset, build back better, nwo.
From 2 weeks to flatten the curve to where we are today, and yet people still believe what they are being told. People so easily manipulated and divided by age old tactics while those behind this mess sit back and watch. So predictable.
Vaccine mandates for non-essentials is indeed a good thing. However, people are stubborn, stupid, or both, and many will simply prefer to avoid restaurants, clubs, life events, if forced to comply. Frankly, if I was an anti-vaxer I could make it for many months without the need for these activities, and it would not be out of the ordinary. There will be a hard-core that will still not comply. We don’t all feel the compelling need to waste money at sporting events, high-end restaurants, gyms with an over-paid fitness trainer, or movies (can stream no problem).
#10 UCC on 09.10.21 at 2:34 pm
There will be no herd immunity. Covid-19 has gone from pandemic to a seasonal beast and will now relentlessly continue to spread. This will not end—–ever. Get your vaccine or suffer the consequences. Mask or non-mask, vaccinated or not, you will be infected. Everyone will get this nasty virus. Get your vaccine.
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Herd immunity is also impossible when the vaccinated can still transmit the virus. The herd can’t protect and so this vaccine is a personal/selfish one, save yourself and get vaccinated.
The continuance of community transmission, despite vaccination is the ultimate reason (in a few years) the COVID vaccine passports will be eliminated. Denmark is just 2 years ahead of the rest of world. It’s a hoop we must jump through, but it won’ last.
#5 604sam on 09.10.21 at 2:23 pm
What is it about the conservative ideology that attracts so many anti-science nutters?
I’m economically very conservative, socially liberal. Not a fan of Trudeau at all. OToole seems like a level, smart guy with realistic ideas.
But what, 60% of his caucus straight-up doesn’t believe climate change is real???? I can’t vote for that. That’s embarrassing.
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The math for this isn’t hard. Trudeau’s spending orgies will absolutely affect you and any family you may have. 100% chance. Could be a big effect too. Could even financially destroy a generation of Canucks depending on how far we let him push it.
60% of a single Canadian political party allegedly not believing in CC will have absolutely zero impact on you, your family, or anyone else on the planet.
What’s embarrassing is Trudeau. From unsolicited physical advances on female reporters and multiple blackface debacles, to stupid costumes, and over a Trillion in debt. Waaay worse than a handful of politicians supposedly questioning CC.
Voted for the cons today , only took about 10 minutes .
As much as i dislike the libs , the local guy is pretty effective , well liked and will probably repeat .
The one lesson Canada should have learned from this pandemic is that you cannot leave such a thing to be managed by the Provinces.
You end up with a patchwork of solutions. Some good and some, not so good.
Italia has a better system where all the health decrees come from the Federal Gov and the Regions implement the decrees in a way that suits their local conditions. And if one Region is in trouble Gov Italia pitches in to help out (e.g., Bergamo last year – other Regions pitched in to help out with the hospital loads incl. the Army to transport coffins to other burial plots since those in Bergamo were exhausted).
Bergamo was in the news for 1 week, after that silence from the Worlds MSM. Italia responded quickly to that tragedy but nothing about that of course, not sensational enough.
This whole each province has a Green Pass with its own set of restrictions is STUPID if you ask me. In Italia I can travel anywhere and expect the same set of restrictions. Canada = WTF?
And nationally in Italia, super spreader events are now stopped by Gov Italia (e.g., 100K people at the Monza F1 reduced to max 28K or so). This is where the national interest supersedes local GREED and stupidity.
And so it should.
And the UK wonders why its Covid stats are so bad. Sometimes Gov has to step and say no, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Do the right thing not what the polls say you should (e.g., the Euro football final in Wembley = +3000 Covid cases as a result).
UK still paying for that stupidity.
Canada needs to revamp its pandemic response to centralize that response and to base that on Science not imbecille freedom etc. memes like Mad Max uses to get votes.
Recall:
– Mother Nature knows nothing about human politics, she does though understand Natural Selection and practices it with vigor.
– Half the human population has an IQ < 100. Someone has to protect them from themselves.
Vancouver pricing is here to stay…the CB have done their damage…they know human behavior and what was going to happen.
The rates will move up slowly the there might be a small correction but once the rich immigrates comes back….prices will start heading upwards ….100% guaranteed
#3 Another Deckchair on 09.10.21 at 2:17 pm
@124 IHCTD9
“**”What went wrong for middle class Canada?”**
First globalization, then massive immigration, and finally Trudeau.”
Add in CERB and WFH.
Wait til the Canadian COVID-19 WFHers get globalized. People who no longer want to go to the office will, fairly quickly, get to see what competition on the global scale is like.
CERB will likely look like a great deal, as jobs get off-shored or even out-of-provinced. Why work for an off-shoring sweatshop when you can sit around all day smoking legal weed? Internet and phone is really expensive in Canada, not to mention home repairs, purchase costs, taxes, and lots of snow shoveling, so expenses here in Canada are not minimal.
(no, no, not gloating, just worrying about the younger generations. The office has benefits that may not seem apparent at first glance, and we are throwing it away)
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The damage is done. Off-shoring jobs was slowly happening, but COVID lockdowns accelerated it. Work-From-Home means Work-From-India. Most Canadians don’t seem to understand this yet, but they will soon. Canadians should’ve thought twice about killing the oil and gas industry, because we don’t really produce much of anything these days, we’ve turned into a nation of consumer parasites. Extremely high debt, higher taxes and lack of good jobs means the Canadian experiment is nearing it’s end.
It seems to me there is no objective debate between the two sides.
I am trying to gather arguments from both and filter them down, but so far here is how things appear to me.
The anti-vax arguments appear to be:
– Vaccinated people can still spread the virus, so forcing vaccination will not solve that part
– Who is taking responsibility for side effects from vaccine? It seems that people are being forced to get the vaccine, but the authorities are not willing to take responsibility for any issues related to that.
– Why vaccine and not immunity passports? It appears Israel’s study/experience proves natural immunity is significantly higher than the one from the vaccine.
It looks like pro-vaccine crowd’s arguments are:
– anyone not agreeing with us is stupid
– it’s the science
Can anyone help me, please, with pro-vaccine arguments that are not insults?
TRUST.
Mis-trust in the media, government leaders, health care experts, and scientists have led people into making irrational, and or emotional decisions.
Those people who propagate mis-leading information whether intentional or out of ignorance, have contributed to this level of mis-trust, and dysfunction.
You can’t blame a virus for that. This is an ethics and morality issue. A virus is not a living organism. The virus did not create the mis-trust.
The leaders and those in the propaganda press have created the secondary problem of mis-trust.
Once a person loses trust in another, it is a challenge to gain trust back. Some people don’t deserve to be trusted.
This problem may linger for years to come.
I voted a couple of days ago at an Elections Canada office even before the advanced polls opened. Interesting voting experience – I have never tried this before. The staff was very nice and chatty. The office itself was packed to the gills with employees – all masked. the guy at reception was telling me he was getting a lot of calls from people looking for ways to vote without setting foot in a polling station. Turnout is going to be interesting.
Me – I always show up in person.
Daddy do all fairy tales start with “once upon a time”?
No son, many of them begin with “if I am elected, I promise…”
RIP Daisy.
#6 Concerned Citizen on 09.10.21 at 2:26 pm
Singh gave a typical politician’s reply of, “We can do both.”
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So homeowners can keep their equity and we can still make homes more affordable? There’s only one way to “do both”, and that is to empower buyers through policy, and as any dingaling living in Canada should know by now, empowering buyers 100% leads directly to higher home prices.
Just how stupid do they think we are?
It sucks people still lump pro choice and hesitant folks in with “antivaxxers”.
You paint this in black and white when it is FAR more nuanced to many people out there….as it should be.
If we all got double dosed on the same two days, its not like this would’ve been over. That’s foolish thinking.
You just continue to further divide people with this elementary school thinking. Tribalism. Its sad. People can and should ask questions about this. It doesn’t mean they emerged from their shanties in the woods.
Will you blame people with 1 booster when you are on your 2nd or 3rd booster?
#39 nailed it. The Covid Karens on the pro side are equally as extreme and foolish as the ones on the other extreme.
Except most folks are actually in the middle somewhere.
Most are not. 70% are fully-dosed. – Garth
#18 My Body My Choice
Garth is correct.
Mother Nature says the following, if she could talk, and enumerated by PHAC* as of August 21, 2021 (unvaxd vs. vaxd):
New Cases: 88.1% vs. 1.5% or 58.7X
Hospitalizations: 84.5% vs. 1.4% or 60.4X
Deaths: 81.5% vs. 2% or 40.8X
It Italia these so called anti-vax “intelligentsia” are being suspended without pay for 1 year.
A Ph.D., Medical Degree, etc. does not guarantee common sense. From the above stats that hypothesis well proven even to an imbecile.
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https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#VOC [Figure 5, Table 2]
I have a plan for this blog!!
I just won’t tell you anything about it until after you vote me in, twice.
Deal!?
“Or will there be social unrest, pushback and more Max Bernier-style political resistance to the final phase of inoculation?”
Yes Sir.
And, 20 years down the road, some future PM is going to apologize (think residential schools)
For ending a pandemic? You folks are twisted. – Garth
The problem is that housing in Canada is close to becoming too big to fail. If interest rates go up too much, even if there are few defaults, people will stop spending to service mortgages, and the economy will go bust. Christine Lagarde was the most honest CB about this. They can’t risk higher interest rates because that might cause a tsunami of defaults due to so much debt (due to low rates !).
#39 Soviet Capitalist on 09.10.21 at 3:47 pm
It seems to me there is no objective debate between the two sides.
I am trying to gather arguments from both and filter them down, but so far here is how things appear to me.
The anti-vax arguments appear to be:
– Vaccinated people can still spread the virus, so forcing vaccination will not solve that part
– Who is taking responsibility for side effects from vaccine? It seems that people are being forced to get the vaccine, but the authorities are not willing to take responsibility for any issues related to that.
– Why vaccine and not immunity passports? It appears Israel’s study/experience proves natural immunity is significantly higher than the one from the vaccine.
It looks like pro-vaccine crowd’s arguments are:
– anyone not agreeing with us is stupid
– it’s the science
Can anyone help me, please, with pro-vaccine arguments that are not insults?
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In order to have a society that is safe for everyone, we need reasonably well functioning health care systems. That can’t happen if too many people are requiring hospital care at the same time due to a pandemic.
Wide-spread vaccination (meaning nearly everyone who is eligible) drastically reduces hospitalization rates thus ensuring our healthcare systems can respond to our needs in a timely fashion.
How does wide-spread vaccination help to keep our healthcare systems operational?
Vaccination REDUCES but does not eliminate your chanced of getting infected. However, less infection, means less community spread, translating to lowered hospitalization rates.
In addition, vaccinated individuals are much less likely to get seriously ill if they do get infected which also translates to lowered hospitalization rates.
“chances” not “chanced”
If I prefer natural immunity for this virus versus getting a vaccine, what’s the difference? Both cases I get immunity and still can transmit virus.
Why getting a vaccine is the only option?
I prefer to get sick with the virus (not intentionally, but occasionally if that ever happens, just like previous years with flu) to train my immune system, just like I’ve done all my life with other viruses, why is that a problem for all other people why prefer to get vaccinated?
How that makes me a coward or anti-social?
If I get really sick and my immune system would not be able to handle the virus, why can’t I get help from medical system?
I’m paying taxes and have no control over how these money being spent, so I expect to get medical help I’ve paid for all these years via taxes.
People why abuse alcohol, tobacco, drugs, etc are not denied health care because of their choice, so why would I be denied help based on my choice?
If I’m immune (not via vaccine but naturally), why can’t I work, get on a bus or plane?
Do not expect to get answers for all these really simple questions, but hope this will make people start to think and not label/blame people with other opinion as anti-vaxxers or cowards.
Of course you are a coward. Afraid. And selfish. Those are the only two reasons people refuse the vaccine. Everything else is a cover-up. – Garth
So, the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer.
I feel like I’m right past the line to qualify as rich. Who knew all I had to do to become rich is buy stuff.
Now how the medical world and governments are handling covid. There are some really screwed up decisions being made.
But you have to look at who is making the decisions, look at the medical profession. This is a profession that is used to telling people to do things and people normally do it without a lot of questions.
The medical profession is also extremely risk adverse, they are not concerned about the economy or about businesses, the metric they tend to use is if it saves one life.
The mask flip flop is a good example, early there were not enough mask so the priority was to keep all the mask for medical workers, they used some other stupid reasoning including the normal people were too stupid to put on and take off mask without contaminating themselves. Now when there were enough supply of mask for the medical use then they changed the story to people could use cloth mask or mouth coverings, then it changed again to perhaps mask should be used, then mandatory mask, then perhaps lets double down again to double masking, why well because if one is good then perhaps 2 are better, oh and face shields too. I think it was at this point that they lost the bubble on masking and we have not really heard anything more about it.
So a medical world used to having their advice followed without questions that are extremely risk adverse and governments that don’t want to make a decision that will make them look bad. Imagine if you were a governor going against the medical advice and then ending up bodies piling up. The medical world will immediately throw you under the bus, and use you as an example so other governors will follow the medical advice. That is what we are seeing all over the world, and the media loves it, its an easy story to write and it sells.
So now we have governments that are not making decisions that are in the public interest, it doesn’t take long before the population figures it out and then everything the government ask you to do is suspect. Then the speculation as to what the government is really up to and why. You then end up with lots of speculation and theories.
And here we are. In a nutshell.
#39 Soviet Capitalist on 09.10.21 at 3:47 pm
I think one of the arguments is that since the vaccine reduces severity of symptoms, that more ICU beds will be available for the few cases where vaccinated people do need ICU beds?
This time last year we didn’t have vaccines and ICUs were stretched, but managed.
This time around we have 70% of the population vaccinated and have at least a year of forewarning.
How could it possibly be worse than last year? What’s the panic about?
Honestly, I wouldn’t be so hesitant if they weren’t pushed so hard. And if it wasn’t so obvious that alternative therapies are discredited and we’re told that the ONLY way out of this is vaccination. That’s just downright unscientific. It’s all so intellectually dishonest.
I agree with #40 at this point. I’ve lost trust in “the system.” I’m not sure how we’ll build the trust back up in this relationship.
I thought that O’Toole was very smooth in the debate, with the lying and avoiding answering some questions. Well done sir
Why can’t we be like Denmark?
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Hey Dolce. Just to let you know that the Canadians are coming. Yup. Mrs. SS and I have passed our PCR tests and are scheduled to travel to her motherland via the gracious people of Spain tomorrow in celebration of a trifecta of once in a lifetime events. Her 60th, our wedding anniversary (yes we married on her birthday) and her retirement from the brown delivery company after 36 years, all occurring on the same day last week.
Sadly much of Bella Italia is closed to visitors, but where’s there’s a Canadian, there’s a way. Now some may say that travel at this time is risky and unwarranted. I like to quote Mr. Mark Twain who said, “travel is fatal to bigotry, prejudice and narrow mindedness” of which far too much exists in today’s world – imho. Ciao fratello mio. See you soon :-)
@#47 Dmitry
” hope this will make people start to think and not label/blame people with other opinion as anti-vaxxers or cowards.”
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As a TAXPAYER who has funded your FREE VACCINE that works 99% of the time…..
For you to complain that you should be allowed to tie up the emergency ward if you have a bad reaction to Covid that will cost TAXPAYERS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO SAVE YOUR STUBBORN, SELFISH LIFE……..
Just wait if the hospital wards are full when you need critical help……
We people who are the majority get a little annoyed at the endless bleating from the conspiracy theorists that infest the internet.
There is no such thing as “science” (as in unchanging or permanent truth), there are only scientists that report what they conclude today.
The science of today is different than one year ago, the science next month will be different from today as new information is gathered.
‘The science’ is dependent upon the scientist’s capabilities to analyze data. Bias can make the data say anything. That’s why we have so many versions of science on every topic.
The skill of analyzing is best left to those who are trained in analyzing data.
What profession is highly skilled in analyzing data? Economists. They are trained in comparative analysis of data.
I have worked in science my entire life. There are very few scientists who have training in data analysis.
It is entirely possible to be pro choice, pro thinking pro vaccine and not for passports or other foolish mandates.
These shots won’t “end” the pandemic. Well unless you consider boosters every 6 months as “ended”
I look forward to our fall lockdown and increased controls they are forcing on us. :/
(of course I hope I am wrong…. I would be happy to, but thats not what I see happening)
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“We are short of everything.”
You know where this is often said Garth?
COMMUNIST COUNTRIES!
They’re always SHORT OF EVERYTHING!
Beatrice, so sorry for the loss of beautiful Daisy. R I P. She’s waiting over the rainbow bridge.
@#29 IHCTD9
“It’s the logical destination for the maximization of all the world’s labour and resources. Everything will eventually be done where it can be done at the lowest cost. Eventually, human labour and brainpower input will have little to do with production.”
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Canada could never ever compete.
The endless paperwork demanded by endless bureaucrats….
Our productivity drops in direct proportion to our equality, inclusivity, empowerment, gender neutrality, etc etc etc.
One wonders if a brutal, long, world wide recession will start a “great reset” ….
I can only hope.
@#63 crowdedelevatorfartz
“cost TAXPAYERS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO SAVE YOUR STUBBORN, SELFISH LIFE……..”
Tell the same to drug addicts and tobacco/alcohol abusers who did not even pay a cent in tax.
Or fellow citizens who make bad nutrition choices all their life so tax money have to be spent to treat diabetes and other related diseases.
it’s very convenient to take “majority” side that is annoyed with people why ask simple questions that have nothing to do with any conspiracy theories.
Various gov’t’s have spent $billions for Cerb, corporate survival monies, vaccines, masks, etc. etc. (world wide) We are sooooo far in debt over Covid it will take a generation or more to get back what we have spent during this pandemic.
We now have the vaccine, knowing we will do the 3rd booster, (virus mutations such as Delta and now Mu) and know that Covid is to live with and “tweaks” in the vaccine formulation coming. Why? So we do not end up in serious hospital care, death, and spreading the virus to others especially kids under 12 as it mutates with shorter spikes evading our anti bodies.
We know that anti vaxers will not get the vaccine, will end up in hospital sick/dying and helping the virus to mutate and keep the pandemic going. Alberta even wants to pay $100 to the unvaxed to get their shots. Anti vaxers are pulling rank going to the hospital when they get Covid and knocking off non Covid patients from their surgeries to back of the line status.
James in post #26 and I would have a great coffee together. I would propose the following. We know it costs $24,000 to hospitalize a sick Covid unvaxed person and $50,000 if that unvaxed person enters into ICU. I propose that an unvaxed person who enters a hosptal with Covid must pay 1/2 their hospital bill and should an unvaxed person who knowingly or unknowingly cares less, spreads Covid to another person be fined $10,000 and more should their victim die.
This would straighten out a lot of unvaxers and end Covid transmission exponentially, but we must remember, it’s their choice to be vaxed or not.
Now to the politicians and their playing of games with Covid protocols making the health/science teams look like amateurs….. Later, as that is a another deep subject and my fingers are sore now. Covid brings out the worst and best of our citizens and politicians.
Sure hope Garth lets me keep my post here. I am so tired and angered by this pandemic that could have ended long ago if everyone and every politician were on the same page or even close to it.
I’m vaccinated and, no, I don’t know what’s in it – neither this
vaccine, the ones I had as a child, nor in the Big Mac, or in hot
dogs, or in other treatments…whether it’s for cancer, AIDS, the one
for polyarthritis, or vaccines for infants or children. I trust our
health professionals when they say it’s needed.
I also don’t know what’s in Ibuprofen, Tylenol, or other meds, it just
cures my headaches & my pains …
I don’t know what’s in the ink for tattoos, vaping, or every
ingredient in my soap or shampoo or even deodorants. I don’t know the
long term effect of cell phone use or whether or not that restaurant I
just ate at REALLY used clean foods and washed their hands.
In short …
There’s a lot of things I don’t know and never will…
I just know one thing: life is short, very short, and I still want to
do something other than just going to work every day or staying locked
in my home. I still want to travel and hug people without fear and
find a little feeling of life “before”.
As a child and as an adult I’ve been vaccinated for mumps, measles,
rubella, polio, chicken pox, and quite a few others; my parents and I
trusted the science and never had to suffer through or transmit any of
said diseases.
I’m vaccinated, not to please the government but:
* To not die from Covid-19.
* To NOT clutter a hospital bed if I get sick.
* To hug my loved ones
* To Not have to do PCR or antigenic tests to go out dancing, go to a restaurant, go on holidays and many more things to come …
* To live my life.
* To have kids go back to school and play sports.
* For Covid-19 to be an old memory.
* To protect us.
We are in this together folks let’s keep ourselves and our loved ones healthy.
#60 an investor on 09.10.21 at 4:45 pm
Why can’t we be like Denmark?
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Flat and cheesy?
Seriously, I recall sitting with a group of Danes near Copenhagen some years ago. Lot’s of politics and complaining. Just like here.
#131 Bdw
The plan was to travel. Like the whole world (ex china) but im not wearing a mask all day so maybe its just back to our usual town in mexico for the winter until covid blows over.
I imagine its still normal there..
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That’s why one should travel at a younger age.
Explore the world.
Before the blinders get to big.
Thanks for the blog Garth
Thanks for allowing my rant
And thanks James and Sara good post.
I live in Nanaimo and I know several nurses who went to work on this sad day. They were spat on and shaken by what happened. One had to go home,
Are you proud of yourself you stupid protesters?
Take everyone’s picture and charge them!
I am shocked at people’s attitude, this again why I am so disappointed in a country where the minority rule.
What would happen if I stood outside a hospital and held up a sign that says
No VAX = no hospital,care?
What would happen?
Or is that to radical.
So let me understand all the people and underline all the people
on Vancouver island in ICU are anti VAX people hmmmmmm
Make them pay for their health care
So someone who is smarter than me please explain
Why would you protest the very people who will save your life?
Please explain that to me?
I am a proud Canadian and I will vote for any person that will stand up to the minority!
send in the mounted police and tear gas these idiots and throw them in jail.
Stop giving people money to get vaccinated, simple
No Vaccine equals no health care
So simple
No VAX no health care,
you cannot spit on people and then go to the hospital and expect health care really?????
#58. The problem is our health care system isn’t built to have even 200 people in Ontario go in ICU because of this virus … and if you think about it, 200 is a pretty low bar. Last year, a lot of surgeries got delayed. So sure, if you want ICU only to service Covid patients, no problem.
I don’t even have a problem with alternative treatments. Just give covid patients an oxygen tank and some monoclonal antibodies and release them back home. No worries ! But alas that’s not how the public system works.
@#1 IHCTD9
“Simple, elegant, effective…”
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I thought that sounded familiar….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIalODmFrZk
Just curious, we never read and hear about those L voters 8yrs and 4 yrs ago, why? can you remind us why you did vote for the red, was it party affiliation loyalty, or did you see leadership qualities and or other, that we did not. Come on Man, tell us, so that it will not be repeated, party loyalty must be thought through, not just a reflex because your parents and or friends did so.
@#70 Dmitry
“people why ask simple questions that have nothing to do with any conspiracy theories.”
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Well.
I’ll put my free vaccine against your “Russian Roulette”… possibly fatal Covid infection ….. every day of the week.
Turner nation, from page 13 of that document:
In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective.
@#79 crowdedelevatorfartz
“I’ll put my free vaccine against your “Russian Roulette”… possibly fatal Covid infection ….. every day of the week”
Great! That’s your free choice.
Now give me mine!
I’ll donate my vaccine to another person who really needs and wants it.
If the economy will rock as many hope it will, then economic meltdown can be avoided. Otherwise plans to cap future stimulus remains a smoke and mirrors show.
Believing there will be more stimulus other than real aside from temporary upticks in the economy and it won’t come as too great a shock when historically normalized interest rates in the n/hood of 5 times today’s rates come to be by 2026.
A day of reckoning no one wants to talk about in the bond market is coming. And elsewhere.
Beatrice,
What a sweetie…so sorry that Daisy’s gone.
You’ve a ton of wonderful memories from those 15 years.
#128 the Jaguar on 09.10.21 at 1:23 pm
A beautiful day in the Stampede City. Just returned after casting my vote.
Ponzie: after voting I swung over to Edelwiess Village which is a wonderful place that specializes in all things German. Wonderful schnitzels and everything else under the sun that is German. Zoop to nutz. Gemütlichkeit! You must visit the place if you are ever in town
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Thanks for the tip.
I think I went to that place on a business trip about 30 years ago.
No being a snob, I have not found the perfect Schnitzel yet in Canada.
I usually make it myself.
Razor thin meat and and scrumptious batter make the dish.
Gotta fill the whole plate, all by itself.
Don’t understand why they change so much for a simple meal like that.
As for Gemuetlichkeit, there is no substitute, either, sorry to say.
Gotta go to the “real” Oktoberfest”.
Ein Prosit, ein Prosit, der Gemuetlichkeit
For ending a pandemic? You folks are twisted. – Garth
The pandemic is in your HEAD…..LOOOL
Vaccine passport is no different than getting a drivers license.
Drivers license help ensure that the person behind the wheel is safe on the roads, protecting both the driver and everyone around them.
If you choose not to get a license, don’t drive on the roads, your freedom is not taken away.
If you choose not to get the jab, don’t partake in society activities. Like driver’s license, you can’t just go on the road and drive in the wrong direction, go through red lights, use the emergency shoulder, speed a school zone… again, those rules are for benefit of society. Your freedom is not taken away, only your selfishness.
Remember, we don’t get to opt-in or opt-out of healthcare.
“Last weekend’s flight from Toronto to Halifax was jammed. ”
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Not that you’d drive from Toronto to Halifax, but isn’t it absolutely insane that the land borders are closed for those of us wishing to head south?!
We can get on an airplane, chock full of strangers sitting shoulder to shoulder, but we can’t drive south by ourselves in our own vehicles. And then have to rent a car. Rules appear to be made by people with lots of money?
Oh…and first day of advance voting. Absolutely thrilled to see that 95% of the folks in the half-hour lineup today were wrinklies. You know…folks who know how to live and work according to a budget (unlike T2).
na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE
For ending a pandemic? You folks are twisted. – Garth
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For discrimination and segregation, based on people’s beliefs. For violating people’s right to choose what to do with their bodies.
It’s sad, but pro-passport-majority doesn’t understand how huge of a deal is this for the millions of your fellow Canadians that don’t want to be vaxed. The pain of being pronounced a second-class citizens. The trauma that will last for generations.
I’m fully vaxed BTW… but I’m ashamed for what is happening in this country right now.
#7 Jesse on 09.10.21 at 2:31 pm
Your little rant would have been better if you could have properly read the article you cited, which was about rate of change in debt, showing Canada is accruing debt more quickly than Japan. However, Canada’s Debt-to-GDP is around 116%, far below Japan’s 257%. Everything else you said was either wrong or just histrionics.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/government-debt-in-2021/
Personally I think that the health care system should no longer cancel surgeries etc to ‘free up’ room for covid patients. If there’s no icu bed available for an unvaxxed covid patient, well too bad. You suffer for your decision, not the person waiting to have heart surgery.
RIP Daisy. Sympathies on losing a fur friend.
Regarding the election. Since advance polls are open my partner & I went to do our civic duty. The line was out the door down to the street. As per the folks manning the voting station it had been steady going all day. Since the riding we reside in is a PC stronghold we are not expecting any change to who our MP will be.
As for how Alberta is dealing with Covid, good golly. They had already provided a financial incentive to get jabbed – a $1 million prize handed out to one lucky vaccinated recipient each month. All you had to do was get jabbed & register via the handy online government website. One would have thought that sufficient to inspire a desire to vaccinate, but no. Now instead of a possible win of $1 million there is a guaranteed $100 for the vaccine hesitant to get 1st or 2nd jabs in Alberta. Those already double jabbed don’t qualify. In addition, elective surgeries are being cancelled (again) & long term care beds are being emptied in order to create capacity since Covid cases are once again swamping local hospitals & ICU’s. Heaven forbid the UCP impose a vaccine passport which has been shown to sharply increase the number of folks lining up for vaccination. As for the average $50K bill per ICU stay for the (mostly) unvaccinated Covid cases, not a problem. Alberta is happy to pay for your stay, partner.
Starting to look like the PPC is going to cost the Conservatives the election. With Their 5% of the vote it’s a Conservative majority. It’s the anti vaxters if this holds Mad Max will extract some revenge.
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As Garth says:
Virus down = Economy up.
That’s why the Amis are struggling.
53% double vax is not enough to open the economy, as Abbot and Desantis are doing.
It appears, that Biden has survived the Afghan crises, and is now putting the hammer on the 100 mill unvaccinated.
He’s got lots of guts, it may backfire, but it’s gotta be done.
As for our 90k newly minted workers, most of them are full time, indicating that the Employers are confident in the future.
Will be an interesting election.
#60 an investor on 09.10.21 at 4:45 pm
Why can’t we be like Denmark?
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We are like Denmark.
Only better and bigger.
You been to Denmark?
So expensive.
#2 bguy1 on 09.10.21 at 2:15 pm
“Dangerous debt” Which part is dangerous, Federal?
The Federal Deficit is not sustainable, that much is clear. Vote accordingly.
However, we still have not paid off world war 2, yet Canada is still here, quality of life has gone up over the last 80 years, as has life expectancy, gdp, etc.
Japan’s Federal Debt is north of 250% if GDP yet the country has not yet burst into flames and sunk into the Pacific Ocean.
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Have you seen house prices and inflation in Canada?
Maybe take a look, because while government debt can be theoretically unlimited it has to be be funded somehow.
Since taxes can never come close to paying down that debt it is of course funded by the central bank buying all the debt the government issues.
Which means they monetize the debt.
Which gives us the housing and other inflation we have today.
If Japan’s population growth had not been low and declining for the past 40 years, to the point where it’s now negative (their population is decreasing), they’d have similar inflation problems.
Our population is growing at 1.5% annually. Huge difference.
crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.10.21 at 5:13 pm
@#70 Dmitry
“people why ask simple questions that have nothing to do with any conspiracy theories.”
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Well.
I’ll put my free vaccine against your “Russian Roulette”… possibly fatal Covid infection ….. every day of the week.
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Well, provax or anivax – they both scared and selfish, but on the different sides of caution. There are adverse effects of every vaccine and any medical treatment. This Covid vaccine is no different. And I do understand folks hesitating to play Russian Roulette with this new vaccine, just like other folks don’t want to play same game with Covid.
Besides, the efficacy of this vaccine is far below 99%, so you play both Roulettes at the same time, and then with upcoming boosters – you keep spinning it.
We are already pretyy much at the target vaccination rate even without vaxports. And I appreciate those foljs taking it. But squeezing another 10% to get vaxxed still will not kill Covid, but introduce more other problems. We see it already, even before vaxports being implemented.
Unfortunately Israel has demoed that this vaccine is not a perfect solution. But on the other hand, there are no any other solutions at the moment. I really hope it will be, but it would not be this vaccine. We need a better one.
71 dennis on 09.10.21 at 5:02 pm
“We know it costs $24,000 to hospitalize a sick Covid unvaxed person and $50,000 if that unvaxed person enters into ICU.”
So how much does it cost a fully vaccinated person who is hospitalized from Covid? $24,000. How much does it cost for a fully vaccinated person if that person enters the ICU? $50,000.
Notice any difference? Should we make the fully vaccinated pay for it as well?
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Garth,
Insulting people will not make them more willing to change their minds. If anything, your constant name-calling made me more reluctant to get the vaccine.
Sara,
Thank you very much. I’ve been starving to have an adult conversation with anyone about this. It is very refreshing. There is a single hesitation in my mind. It appears that Sweden did not have as strong of a reaction to COVID as other places, yet things seem to be fine there and the healthcare system did not get overwhelmed. This gives me the feeling that most of the public measures have minimal impact on the virus. Would you be able to share your view on this?
Two BC rappers with a goodie, pre-censored for your listening pleasure. Funny the content, but they’re making bank despite not being ‘mericans Yo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2K1xQOp4qo
Man those BC rappers all have filthy mouths :)
#4 Rufus on 09.10.21 at 2:20 pm
“Hour-long wait in YYC to cast a ballot in favor of removing the woke himbo. Would have gone faster if the poll workers were familiar with the order of the letters in the alphabet but I guess qualified people make more money staying home.”
Oh dear. My family and I applied online for mail in ballots on 5 Sept. We received them on 9 Sept and mailed them to the local constituency election office 10 Sept.
I figure it’s a better use of my time.
#72 R
Well said!
#58 zxcvbmn on 09.10.21 at 4:44 pm
#39 Soviet Capitalist on 09.10.21 at 3:47 pm
This time last year we didn’t have vaccines and ICUs were stretched, but managed.
This time around we have 70% of the population vaccinated and have at least a year of forewarning.
How could it possibly be worse than last year? What’s the panic about?
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You are sharing with us that you are not aware of the Delta Variant and why it is so dangerous. Google it.
Why you are at it, read on Quarantine, isolation and the duty of easy rescue in public health:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/dewb.12165
“Afraid. And selfish. Those are the only two reasons people refuse the vaccine. Everything else is a cover-up. – Garth”
Quoted for truth.
This one is just great, a couple ‘o ‘mericans this time – bros even.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjDHqZpdCg
The more alcohol you’ve got in ya (or maybe weed), the better this one gets…
The only downside from the August Labour Force Survey is that unemployment remains high for the very young (15-24 yrs old):
15 to 19 years = 13%
20 to 24 years = 10.8%
Made worse for Males, a bit better for Females:
15 to 19 years = 14.6% (11.4% for Females)
20 to 24 years = 12.5% (8.8% for Females)
25 yrs or older all improves.
https://i.imgur.com/PRAx0by.png
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv.action?pid=1410028701
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Still, in the middle of a Pandemic the Little Economy that Could DOES. It continues to churn out jobs during a worst case scenario.
It almost feels like it would be very helpful to have a national debate with a few representatives from both sides that would be able to provide arguments that are more helpful than the current: ‘you’re not as smart’, ‘anti-vaxers are stupid cowards’ and ‘it’s the science’.
I know for sure I’d be very interested in something like that.
Anyone else?
It’s not a debatable point. No vax, no full social privileges. You don’t get to drive without a license because it is unsafe. We’re not debating that. – Garth
RIP Daisy. What a beautiful pooch.
More potty-mouthed BC rappers! Well, one of them is. This one is a 10/10! The Indonesian dude in this vid has like zero education and learned English thru YouTube. The Internet is just amazing when harnessed properly!
DELETED. You’re stoned. Go to bed. – Garth
Fed officials to sell stocks to avoid apparent conflict of interest:
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/fed-officials-sell-stocks-avoid-apparent-conflict-interest-2021-09-09/
It’s ok though, don’t feel bad for them because they already made their millions. “Conflict of interest” *eyeroll* for regular Joe’s this would be called insider trading.
Garth @ #106
“You don’t get to drive without a license because it is unsafe.”
You should drive around Vancouver to test that theory…
#88 SP on 09.10.21 at 5:34 pm
It’s sad, but pro-passport-majority doesn’t understand how huge of a deal is this for the millions of your fellow Canadians that don’t want to be vaxed. The pain of being pronounced a second-class citizens. The trauma that will last for generations.
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Ok. That’s it. Nice Sara is gone.
Dude. We are in the middle of a pandemic. To
ascribe “trauma that will last for generations” to those who CHOOSE to put themselves in a situation where they lose NON-ESSENTIAL privileges is absolutely ridiculous, not to mention completely disrespectful and uncaring towards your fellow citizens.
What about the trauma of the COVID-19 victims and their families? Real trauma that DOES NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN for many people if everyone would do their part and get vaccinated.
“Afraid. And selfish. Those are the only two reasons people refuse the vaccine. Everything else is a cover-up. – Garth”
I would add “stupid” to the list of reasons. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
The southwestern Ontario haven of London, Ontario is getting pricey for your basic tract home in a suburban are now listed at a “confident $899k”. Advance polls were busy near the Hyundai dealer this morning and 99% of civic minded folks were seniors with a determined but no-nonsense grimace.
SP at 88 said:
It’s sad, but pro-passport-majority doesn’t understand how huge of a deal is this for the millions of your fellow Canadians that don’t want to be vaxed. The pain of being pronounced a second-class citizens. The trauma that will last for generations.
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That’s too bad for them. Choices, especially anti-social choices, have consequences. They will have to live with their choice… or maybe not.
I’ve expressed some strong views regarding anti vaxxers, even some Garth has omitted from the comment section.
So let’s take a different approach to this.
Getting vaccinated against a miserable little bug that likes to mutate and kill its host, well how is that a right for the minority when the magority are trying to stamp this out?
History is a bitch based on some of the things some deny today.
the only party i like is PPC…
They understand needs from wants, no underhanded vote buying, and are prepared to inflict pain appropriately.
Sadly, i cant vote for the party i connect with because like Garth says, a vote for them is just another vote for the Liberals. (No offence Libs, Cretien and Martin sacrificed to do unpopular, but good things for Canada.
Trudeau is just the big MC with even bigger punchbowl, bought and paid for by my 11 year old son when he’s 22.
#88 SP on 09.10.21 at 5:34 pm
For ending a pandemic? You folks are twisted. – Garth
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For discrimination and segregation, based on people’s beliefs. For violating people’s right to choose what to do with their bodies.
It’s sad, but pro-passport-majority doesn’t understand how huge of a deal is this for the millions of your fellow Canadians that don’t want to be vaxed. The pain of being pronounced a second-class citizens. The trauma that will last for generations.
I’m fully vaxed BTW… but I’m ashamed for what is happening in this country right now.
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You aint seen nothing yet.
Wait until the big spike in cases and deaths – among vaxxed and unvaxxed – comes this winter…
The vaxxed are going to want the remaining unvaxxed rounded up and sent to camps.
XGRO and chill on 09.10.21 at 2:55 pm
We lifted restrictions here in Saskatchewan on July 11. Case rates have skyrocketed from 30 cases per day to over 300. Hospitals are diverting as their ICU’s are full.
Schools are back in session this week. No province wide masking requirement. And of course, winter is coming.
What do you want more? A free hospital bed should you need one, or more lockdowns?
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Exactly this. My FIL who lives in Saskatoon was diagnosed with cancer yesterday (early diagnosis, thankfully) . If the idiots keep plugging up healthcare because they’re too afraid of a little needle, I think I’m going to see the Viking side of my wife’s ancestry come out.
PENT UP DEMAND ?
I don’t think so, not with houses overflowing with all kinds of your gotta have goodies. Then I take a drive down memory lane past all the self storage units packed to the gills with yesterdays after tax forgotten goodies. Pent up demand, I don’t think so, everyone’s topped up. I am on my throne and I will not step down. AAAmen, Brother.
PBS News Hour just pointed out more Americans die on average, every two days from covid, than the death toll from the entire War in Afghanistan, or the losses on 911!
The Long Game – in the USA – is unfolding.
The latest mandates are designed to destroy business, military even, as people quit rather than be forced.
The chaos resulting will require….UN Intervention. And just like that the USA will fall.
Blue helmets on the ground.
All of this on the even of 9/11. What timing
– Watch the Supply Chain in Q3.
— Get to know the Long Game our global rulers are playing.
Is everything making a little more sense now? The daily, weekly changes and rollouts? All leading to…chaos:
https://twitter.com/FOX5Vegas/status/1436404312641572865?
“FOX5 Las Vegas @FOX5Vegas
Employees of the Nevada Department of Corrections warned the board of health that the requirement could prompt mass resignations, exacerbate staff shortages and make it impossible to operate prisons”
— Control over travel/movements. Wags ask won’t the dogs get sick themselves? Sniffing it
Back to normal soon!!
.Miami International says it’s the first US airport to test COVID-19 detector dogs (nbc26.com)
Where can I get a vaccination against anymore political debates?
“Once again it’s worth reminding people taking out 1.5% mortgages in 2021 that they’ll be renewing at double that level (at least) in 2026.”
Admittedly some respect is owed for making such a bold prediction.
But the chances of being wrong on a forecast 20 quarters away increases with each quarter so that midway through the timeline it’s not a forecast; it’s a wish, a guess, at best.
Interest rates have been falling for a couple of decades and there is no reason to change course now.
Inflation can be controlled by other means, taxation being just one, increased productivity is another.
Real estate cartels, the monopolistic power of the major banks, boomers, politicians have a symbiotic relationship in the ponzi scheme so free market economics will be suppressed as long as possible.
Interest rates will be kept artificially low.
That doesn’t mean there won’t be crash.
#108 IHCTD9 on 09.10.21 at 6:37 pm
More potty-mouthed BC rappers! Well, one of them is. This one is a 10/10! The Indonesian dude in this vid has like zero education and learned English thru YouTube. The Internet is just amazing when harnessed properly!
DELETED. You’re stoned. Go to bed. – Garth
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Stoned? Nah, but maybe a bit drunk :)
Hey, it’s not my fault these (excellent) BC rappers just can’t keep it clean!
@sara #53
Nice answer post. Love it.
#112 Sara on 09.10.21 at 6:49
I would add “stupid” to the list of reasons. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
,…………
Something like 78% of icu cases have obesity as well.
Are the truly stupid/selfish the ones who remain obese almost 2 years later?
It is the chubbers clogging up the system.
Vax rate in northern BC is 51 percent.
Fort St John and area.
Garth, grab a whiskey, I got this.
Can you buy a respectable apartment in Vancouver for 200k?
No way, get stuffed, go away, some will say.
Every now and then I see some sales that remind me of the second half of 2016.
Check out this sale that just happened in Richmond.
The details…
Unit 107 8020 Ryan Rd.
Bought for 203k way back in 2008
Just sold for 199k
Don’t worry about the loss, that’s not what this is about.
Towards the end of The Pink Snow Project I shifted focus from heavy losses and started focusing on helping people find an affordable place to live, this would qualify for someone earning minimum wage.
Yes, I know the area, it’s hardly Dreamsville, but it ain’t Main and Hastings or perhaps Jane and Finch for the GTA people on yet the blog.
So it’s a 47 year old piece of crap that they didn’t bother updating since that bought it?
No, from the listing.
“Renovated unit and worry-free building! This spacious unit is East facing to a quiet court yard and soaring of 705 sq.ft. interior size, nice and bright. The owner has done most of the updates in the past 5 years. Renovated items including newer kitchen cabinets, countertop, fridge, stove, dishwasher, bathroom vanity, wood flooring through out the unit. The building has done an extensive renovation as well. Exterior, window, balcony and roof were done in 2014-2015. The building has been re-piped in 2019-2020. The building is convenient located across from a shopping plaza with grocery store, restaurants, banks, pharmacy and café. Walking distance to 3 elementary schools and South Arm Community Centre.”
Not much inventory,even less competition.
Looking to buy a place?
Go get ‘em Tiger…
M47BC
https://www.royallepage.ca/en/property/british-columbia/richmond/107-8020-ryan-road/16140033/mlsr2613364/
D#128 Mark on 09.10.21 at 7:55 pm
Vax rate in northern BC is 51 percent.
Fort St John and area.
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And they complain on TEEVEE that the hospitals are over flowing.
Will be voting for PPC, as well as all my friends and family.
Libs, Cons and orange commies are same now, so do not care who PPC loses to (all I want is more votes and % for PPC).
Maybe will have to move family to Florida where they have sane governor, not like we have here spineless Ford.
Absolutely…Im not sure why you give this you give financial info for free but it sure beats editing alot of financial crap so called advisors think I don’t know…as a mere woman without a brain in my head…thanks guy…enjoy the N.S. autumn…can’t think of a prettier place to be
#5 604sam
If you’re so concerned about climate change then why would you vote for Trudeau who plans to build 1.4 million housing units and bring in 400 000 immigrants per year. You’re voting for unlimited urban sprawl and demolishing precious farmland and wilderness. As well, Trudeau is the one with the ridiculously generous child care benefit that incentivizes low income earners to produce as many kids as possible. Rampant population growth is what will destroy the planet more than anything else.
#127 Bdwy on 09.10.21 at 7:50 pm
#112 Sara on 09.10.21 at 6:49
I would add “stupid” to the list of reasons. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
,…………
Something like 78% of icu cases have obesity as well.
Are the truly stupid/selfish the ones who remain obese almost 2 years later?
It is the chubbers clogging up the system.
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Is obesity contagious?
Is there a simple cure (i.e. a vaccine) that will greatly reduce one’s chances of being obese?
“Prevention” not “cure”
#129 Dmitry on 09.10.21 at 8:24 pm
Will be voting for PPC, as well as all my friends and family.
Libs, Cons and orange commies are same now, so do not care who PPC loses to (all I want is more votes and % for PPC).
Maybe will have to move family to Florida where they have sane governor, not like we have here spineless Ford.
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O’Toole opposes vaccine mandates. Don’t be foolish.
6pm News in BC
THe MAJORITY of people CLOGGING the Intensive Care Units ….?
UNVACCINATED.
#35 Brett in Calgary
Yup.
Here’s what happens next. Eventually, it will become politically safe to publicly state the vaccines don’t confer immunity (cue conspiracy theories after CDC changed their definition of vaccine on their site, the wayback machine is a wonderful thing), and don’t reduce your chances of getting covid or spreading it to others, and herd immunity is nigh impossible to reach. This will make vaccine passports redundant, and as people and businesses hate it, they will be eliminated after some time and pressure. Politicians only know how to double down, and don’t admit fault, especially on this level of scale, so this will take some time; the narrative must change first so that people will gaslight themselves and forget who started what.
Denmark just short-circuited the whole expensive mess.
Soviet Capitalist
It seems to me there is no objective debate between the two sides.
I am trying to gather arguments from both and filter them down, but so far here is how things appear to me.
The anti-vax arguments appear to be:
– Vaccinated people can still spread the virus, so forcing vaccination will not solve that part
– Who is taking responsibility for side effects from vaccine? It seems that people are being forced to get the vaccine, but the authorities are not willing to take responsibility for any issues related to that.
– Why vaccine and not immunity passports? It appears Israel’s study/experience proves natural immunity is significantly higher than the one from the vaccine.
It looks like pro-vaccine crowd’s arguments are:
– anyone not agreeing with us is stupid
– it’s the science
Can anyone help me, please, with pro-vaccine arguments that are not insults?
pro-vaccine arguments
– the vaccines reduce the risk of contracting the disease
– they have proven effective in limiting the severity of the illness
– the vaccines are rigorously tested for side effects and are deemed safe
The idea is that if enough individuals are vaccinated then the spread of the disease will be slowed or stopped. The other idea is that if enough individuals are vaccinated then even if they get sick they will not get as sick and not impose such a burden on the health system.
Compounding the issue is natural immunity and variants. Compounding the issue even further, is political positioning. It’s not purely a medical and scientific thing. There’s also a spiritual dimension. It’s a test.
#133 IsleOfVanMan on 09.10.21 at 8:48 pm
#5 604sam
If you’re so concerned about climate change then why would you vote for Trudeau who plans to build 1.4 million housing units and bring in 400 000 immigrants per year. You’re voting for unlimited urban sprawl and demolishing precious farmland and wilderness. As well, Trudeau is the one with the ridiculously generous child care benefit that incentivizes low income earners to produce as many kids as possible. Rampant population growth is what will destroy the planet more than anything else.
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I kinda agree with you.
But O’Tools makes a similar housing promise.
As I said, really no major party gives a crap about the environment.
Average household income from paid employment in Port Colborne, ON: 61K
Average household income from flipping houses in Port Colborne, ON due to principal residence exemption: 250K
https://www.zolo.ca/port-colborne-real-estate/519-sugarloaf-street#sold-history
#100 Soviet Capitalist on 09.10.21 at 5:57 pm
It appears that Sweden did not have as strong of a reaction to COVID as other places, yet things seem to be fine there and the healthcare system did not get overwhelmed.
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Sweden is very different.
E.g.
1. They already stood 2m apart at bus stops before covid.
2. 50% of swedes live alone
3. When the government suggested that they reduce unnecessary travel people stayed home
Despite all of that they had much worse results than their neighbors: 10x as many deaths
https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8
#142 SoggyShorts on 09.10.21 at 9:45 pm
#100 Soviet Capitalist on 09.10.21 at 5:57 pm
Early days Brazil was included with Sweden in the muh freedomz list. Funny how that was dropped…
“The result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth, and truth be defamed as lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world — and the category of truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end — is being destroyed.”
Hannah Arendt
#118 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.10.21 at 7:00 pm
You aint seen nothing yet.
Wait until the big spike in cases and deaths – among vaxxed and unvaxxed – comes this winter…
The vaxxed are going to want the remaining unvaxxed rounded up and sent to camps.
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Yeah, and their kids sent to residential schools… Because their parents are savages who don’t understand science.
Oh, wait…
#143 Faron on 09.10.21 at 9:54 pm
#142 SoggyShorts on 09.10.21 at 9:45 pm
#100 Soviet Capitalist on 09.10.21 at 5:57 pm
Early days Brazil was included with Sweden in the muh freedomz list. Funny how that was dropped…
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Why do useful idiots hate freedom?
Reply to crowdedelavatorfartz #137. Don’t forget that right now because of our late start on vaccinations we are in the sweet spot of their effectiveness. If we are like other countries who started inoculations earlier the double vaxxed will start showing up in hospitals with greater frequency
#88 SP
For discrimination and segregation, based on people’s beliefs. For violating people’s right to choose what to do with their bodies.
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Don’t forget.
Got gave you your body.
He can take it away at any time.
(Well, that’s what the Bible says)
” Why a hundred million in North America would be so selfish or cowardly not to get vaxed when the serum is free, effective and approved? ”
Maybe because they haven’t been any long term studies, no liability for the pharma companies and thousands of adverse affects for a dieasese which anyone under 70 has a 99.98% survival rate. Thanks but hard pass.
Yep. Cowardice. – Garth
@#134 Sara
“Is obesity contagious?
Is there a simple cure (i.e. a vaccine) that will greatly reduce one’s chances of being obese?”
Yes, it absolutely is.
Infected and sick of obesity is about 25-30 % or adult population.
Is anyone publishing daily stats of people dying of related health problems? Or anyone has any idea of quality of life of obese people or people with diabeties?
Any politician pledging to shut down unhealthy fast food or LCBO?
Vaccine for obesity is education and proper policies that encourage nation to be fit and healthy.
But that is too complicated for Canadian government.
Vax passports is an easy thing. If you’re not willing – you’re not normal, even though absolutely healthy and with natural immunity. But no, must be vaccinated no matter what.
#140 ponzi
The dye is cast – the industrial revolution has led us to this point and capitalism/consumption + almost 8 billion people will not be stopped by hemp shopping bags and electric cars sadly
@88 sp:
While those selfish cowards are moaning about being “discriminated” against for being selfish cowards.. what about the people they might end up being responsible for killing or making seriously ill because they didn’t take the shot?
And if you need someone to explain to you how that happens, most 7 year olds can explain to you viruses spread and what vaccines do. They might even be willing to draw you pictures.
@88 SP:
What about people’s rights to not be infected by covid or it’s variants because some selfish individuals refuse the vaccine, refuse to wear a mask – but still think it’s their right to go out spreading it around?
What about the rights of people who aren’t selfish aholes who are fully vaccinated, who wear masks, to go out and enjoy themselves knowing that they’re NOT sharing the room with selfish cowards?
Personally, knowing there’s no anti vax people in the same room as me is a MASSIVE selling point, even ignoring the health side of things
#5 604sam on 09.10.21 at 2:23 pm
What is it about the conservative ideology that attracts so many anti-science nutters?
I’m economically very conservative, socially liberal. Not a fan of Trudeau at all. OToole seems like a level, smart guy with realistic ideas.
But what, 60% of his caucus straight-up doesn’t believe climate change is real???? I can’t vote for that. That’s embarrassing.
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I know lots of conservative scientists, and I’d be happy to go toe to toe with you on any issue where you think conservatives have the science wrong.
What we seek is truth, and way too much of the “acceptable” science and scientist aren’t telling it.
Where is the truth on natural anti-bodies? The powers that be won’t even le the question be asked, let alone provide an answer. I know people who’ve had covid and have paid for their own antibody tests to prove that they have them. One carries a notarized report, just for show because he knows it’s meaningless to the “accepted” science experts.
I got vaxxed twice because it seemed a reasonable risk trade off for someone my age, but I won’t let my 12 yr old son get it until there are some years worth of study and data. Various undersground reports come out such as one that teenage boys in the UK are 6 times more likely to be hospitalized for inflamed hearts due to the vax than from just getting covid.
All we real conservatives (not you) want is the truth.
As for global warming, same thing, just the truth. If the truth supported the political barrage, then there wouldn’t need to be such an effort to hide it.
The climate has always been changing, always will. The sun in not constant, nor is earth’s orbit.
Western Wildfires (bigger than we’ve seen recently) have been around forever. Leftist forest management makes them bigger than they used to be. Again, look at the hard data for yourself, not just the political spin.
Can’t be economically conservative and socially liberal. Social liberalism leads to the destruction of the traditional family and the government taking over the role of daddy for a large part of the population. Look at where all the money goes in the budget, it isn’t too many roads and bridges or the military.
@ 129 Flop
It’s a leasehold in suburbia – priced accordingly.
Honestly life is about choices choose to not get jabbed then they should pay when they get Covid and end up hospitalized. I don’t like wasting my tax dollars.
Sheesh. I totally agree. Smoking and eating an unhealthy diet only danger the person engaged in the activities. Not getting vaxxed endangers every other human. They are selfish cowardly individuals who should be denied treatment if they get sick with COVID. They made their choice.
A great jobs number just as Justin is grasping at straws amidst collapsing polls? How convenient ! Huge new Covid numbers in the US but not a single bug has crossed the border while our electioneering is in play? Hosannah !! Not a word about the millions who’s EI is crapping out within days of the elections end? Bad news out, good news in !! There’s a Green Day song “ Wake me when September ends”. I don’t share your ‘Sunny Ways’ prediction. Facts vs hope? Facts always will out.
#134 Sara on 09.10.21 at 9:01 pm
#127 Bdwy on 09.10.21 at 7:50 pm
#112 Sara on 09.10.21 at 6:49
I would add “stupid” to the list of reasons. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
,…………
Something like 78% of icu cases have obesity as well.
Are the truly stupid/selfish the ones who remain obese almost 2 years later?
It is the chubbers clogging up the system.
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Is obesity contagious?
Is there a simple prevention (i.e. a vaccine) that will greatly reduce one’s chances of being obese?
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Take the shot and keep stuffing yourself!
Never mind the risks, the load on our health care system from all the risk factors related to obesity.
The ignorant on here calling for non-vaccinated to be denied healthcare better wise up. Obesity probably accounts for 50% of our healthcare costs, if not more. What are you going to demand next? That we not treat obese people? BMI test before admission to hospital! It follows your human right and dignity denying logic.
You can’t have it both ways. But hey…Keep wrapping yourself in your blanket of righteousness. I know you know best what is good for your body, mine, his and hers. I certainly don’t.
Call me selfish, and don’t you dare apply that standards to that obese person. Or that smoker. Or that guy starting his day off with some weed. Or the guy drinking.
Welcome to Nanaimo….or maybe not. Rednecks abound whatever the province….this will not end well, but then life is choice not chance.
Relatives in Montreal have just phoned to say that 40 year old semi-detached duplexes in Montreal are going for one million dollars. This type of duplex has two, 3 bed apartments and usually a one bed flat in the basement. This may still sound cheap to TO people but with the low Montreal wages, this is off the chart territory. They have doubled in 3 years and with the harsh Montreal winters need substantial repairs at 40 years old.
The deliberate misinformation from the anti-vax posts today is alarming and disappointing.
Yes vaccinated people can still get COVID.
But vaccination significantly lowers your risk of contracting the disease = less COVID overall.
Vaccination significantly lowers your risk of sever symptoms = lower viral load = less viral spreading = less COVID overall.
Vaccination virtually eliminates your risk of severe disease and hospitalization.
The above is proven through the ratio or vax vs unvaxxed case counts and hospitalizations.
All the above keep hospital capacity available for non-COVID related services and keep our health care system functioning.
All the above put downward pressure on COVID spread and reduce chances of variant mutation.
“Being in this together” means we have a responsibility to each other, which means getting vaccinated.
Society once had a much stronger obligation to each other and the greater good than we do now. Mass consumption and the Information Age has eroded our feeling of responsibility towards each other. If current attitudes existed “back in the day”, including the selfish anti-vax movement, we would still be dealing with small pox, polio, measles (highest R0 virus discovered iirc), and all the other stuff we get vaccinated for as kids. They may even be speaking German in France today if not for the altruism and sacrifices of our forebears.
Fortunately 8/10 Canadians are dosed in some form and that majority is growing. The rest can stay home because 8/10 Canadians got vaxxed to end lock downs and did something productive to contribute to solving the problem.
(Medical exemptions aside of course.)
As for the title of today’s blog, JWR is mosdef staying real:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-in-that-moment-i-knew-he-wanted-me-to-lie-jody-wilson-raybould-recalls/
RE: #159 Let’s be honest
Obesity doesn’t crash the health care system.
Obesity doesn’t crush the economy.
You can’t give me your obesity, which I then pass on to my grandmother and it kills her.
Same for all the other arguments about drinking, smoking, dangerous hobbies, etc.
These arguments are disingenuous at best and down right dishonest and intentionally misleading in all likelihood.
I guess people dont fully appreciate from a western point of view about freedom and choices etc. From the chinese communist party perspective, this hits exactly at the heart of there viewpoint, central control and dominance in every area of ones lives. Our freedom will be our downfall.
in the end , we are one people on one planet and when one person is effected without prevention we will all get it. over 2 billion people still dont have one shot, the 4th wave,5th wave,6th wave are all ready in the works, we did have a chance to nip this thing if we all lined up and EVERYONE got a shot, but since that didnt happen, we are here and will be here for quite a while.
Socialism is the future of the world. one way or another. My 15 year old always asked why do people live outside in the cold. We stopped at the lights yesterday and i said, look there is a street person who sleeps outside every night, why dont you get out and introduce yourself and help the person. You should of seen the look she gave me. Socialism will happen.
161 Jane24
“Relatives in Montreal have just phoned to say that 40 year old semi-detached duplexes in Montreal are going for one million dollars……… They have doubled in 3 years…”
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THINK of the money you could have made if….you just stayed in Canada……
Big Six bail on Canada as ” Opportunity Dries Up”. Our banks have thrown in the towel? They’ve been loyal, but who can blame them. Trudeau bellowed about slapping them with added taxes in spite of being the keystone of our pensions. Who can blame our banks for following direct foreign investment in the six year old exodus who’ve either removed, withdrawn or have refused to reinvest hundreds of billions now invested elsewhere, to benefit dividends and tax revenue on other countries investor and citizen communities.
https://financialpost.com/fp-finance/banking/big-six-flush-with-capital-look-to-u-s-fintech-sectors-for-potential-acquisitions
Tik tik tik. Do you really think they won’t come after your home equity? What else can they confiscate now the cupboard is bare?
Garth, how does one respond to the socialists (Trudeau said it too during the debate) we have capacity for further debt and our total debt as a % of GDP is falling.
Beginning of summer when I realized we are heading into massive inflation I decided I need to get more debt. I looked into pre-con condo, but prices at the locations that I liked were so high I just did not have balls large enough to go ahead with that plan. Even though I thought they would appreciate.
Instead I started to put (borrowed) money into Canadian dividend companies. So far I put almost 300K and it looks like it would require a tremendous amount of bad luck for me to be on the losing end of the deal. All three of the following to happen in a very short period of time:
1. Stocks decline
2. RE decline
3. Bank calls the loan
At this level the portfolio generates 12K of divvys per year, while costing me about 4K in interest. And then there is appreciation, which is the real end game…
#164 Common Sense
Obesity is consumption.
Consumption is good for the bottom line. So are the other ones. That makes them good for business?
Don’t worry about the price individuals pay. Make them consume more! Hire dozens of scientists to make foods more addictive, subconsciously.
Then a little virus comes around and what’s at the top of the comorbiate list? CDC reporter 78% in ICU obese.
Now what?
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I guess I’m close to getting dose #3 soon.
I received the authorization form to fill out on behalf of my almost 99 year old mother for the 3rd dose.
I got my first and second shots right after her, in January and February.
It was a a perk, I guess, being listed as her primary caregiver, even though she’s looked after 100% by the caregiving facility.
Bless their souls.
I’m sure they appreciate the $8,000 per month, though.
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#159 Let’s be honest… on 09.11.21 at 2:45 am
#134 Sara on 09.10.21 at 9:01 pm
#127 Bdwy on 09.10.21 at 7:50 pm
#112 Sara on 09.10.21 at 6:49
I would add “stupid” to the list of reasons. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot
,…………
Something like 78% of icu cases have obesity as well.
Are the truly stupid/selfish the ones who remain obese almost 2 years later?
It is the chubbers clogging up the system.
===============
Is obesity contagious?
Is there a simple prevention (i.e. a vaccine) that will greatly reduce one’s chances of being obese?
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Take the shot and keep stuffing yourself!
Never mind the risks, the load on our health care system from all the risk factors related to obesity.
The ignorant on here calling for non-vaccinated to be denied healthcare better wise up. Obesity probably accounts for 50% of our healthcare costs, if not more. What are you going to demand next? That we not treat obese people? BMI test before admission to hospital! It follows your human right and dignity denying logic.
You can’t have it both ways. But hey…Keep wrapping yourself in your blanket of righteousness. I know you know best what is good for your body, mine, his and hers. I certainly don’t.
Call me selfish, and don’t you dare apply that standards to that obese person. Or that smoker. Or that guy starting his day off with some weed. Or the guy drinking.
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Dude, you are the definition of selfish and ignorant.
2022 will not be much different than 2021 and 2020. Booster shots will be needed as Israel data shows it is less effective after six months. Work from home has been delayed again and two years at least will have passed before it is safe to return. The GDP contracted in Q2 and likely will in Q3 as well. Zombie businesses are being propped up for now with rent and wage subsidies. If those expire, the businesses impacted will close. Higher interest rates and Bank of Canada tapering will lead to a deep recession forcing government to drastically cut spending.
#173 KLNR
Dude, you are the definition of selfish and ignorant.
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Yup. I’m selfish for pointing out that corporations and fast food industry has taken advantage of consumers by selling them products that poison their bodies.
Products that have now put those very consumers at much higher risk because of obesity they helped cause.
Yeah, I’m the selfish one.
AM in MN
I got vaxxed twice because it seemed a reasonable risk trade off for someone my age, but I won’t let my 12 yr old son get it until there are some years worth of study and data. Various undersground reports come out such as one that teenage boys in the UK are 6 times more likely to be hospitalized for inflamed hearts due to the vax than from just getting covid.
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@ #173 KLNR
“Dude, you are the definition of selfish and ignorant.”
That’s a great scientific argument.
Follow the science they say…
Do not expect any intelligent answers from these types, just usual selfish, coward, anti-social, blah, blah, blah…
Still, the question is:
why one needs to take a vaccine if one already has natural immunity?
Answers:
A) Coward
B) Selfish
C) Anti-social
D) do not know but does not fit my narrative so will keep ignoring.
Pick the right one.
I suspect employment numbers will drop, primarily because folks can no longer live anywhere near their employment. Case in point: the Tim Hortons in Cannifton ON (near Belleville) has been forced to close due to lack of staff. Probably because real estate has dislocated from reality. Case in point: a sad townhouse listed for $250k last month (I know, we tried to buy it…) was sold and has just delisted for $369K (MLS 40162722). The realtor brags that it will rent for $2400+ utilities. I grew up here, and three years ago units in this complex were selling for $125K, and the local economy was healthy. What will happen now when the local employment base starts to vanish…..?
How such a large percentage of people can ignore being vaccinated, is beyond most peoples wildest dreams. If you don’t have the guts to get jabbed in the arm yourself, close your eyes and do it for your kids, they are our future and deserve a chance.
If the hospitals were to put the anti-vaxers to the back of the line, when they do get COVID and supply the beds in ICU’s as a priority to the very few vaccinated infected, I bet the fur would fly and it would discriminations 10 fold, but it would be fair to the people who are trying to protect themselves and others around them. Be a man for once in your life and do the right thing, roll up your sleeve.
Really appreciate the post and thank you all for the kind thoughts. Our family is very touched tonight to see her pretty face on the blog to honor her life. She was the most loyal and loving and happy. About the topic, my husband and I continue to be shocked at the housing prices in Toronto today and we thought it was already insane when we left a few years back. But glad we learned and got out of the housing market (and rented for a few years afterwards!).