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What are the chances I have Viking ancestry

I will post more results from the several dna tests I’ve done. I tried tracing back through ancestry but find it extremely unreliable. However here are my 23andMe results 54.9% British and Irish with locations for British as follows: Greater London Merseyside West Midlands Greater Manchester Glasgow city Lancashire Cumbria Swansea West Yorkshire Tune and Wear

Irish: Cork Dublin Clare Kerry Limerick Tipperary

French and German 35.2% Germany: Baden-Würrtemberg North-Rhine Westphalia Switzerland

1.3% Scandinavian, 6.9% broadley NW European, 1.6% Eastern European

I appreciate any reply and hope this can get me some answers. I’m sure you get these posts a lot

Also listed is the probability of a 100% Scandinavian 3rd, 4th,5th, or 6th great grandparent between 1750 As well as an Eastern European person between 1720-1840 French and German between 1900 and 1960 British and Irish between 1930 and 1960 Thanks!

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u/Monsieur_Roux avatar

If you're white or of white European descent, pretty high. If you're of Northern or Western European descent, almost guaranteed.

Most Europeans or people of European descent will probably have some Norse ancestry. They'll also have Roman, Celtic, Slavic, continental Germanic etc., European ancestry is highly mixed. Folks travelled, y'all.

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

I am basically 100% northern NW European

u/Monsieur_Roux avatar

Nobody is 100% anything, not even human (hello Neanderthal ancestors!)

Having any ancestry from North West Europe almost guarantees some measure of Norse ancestry, as well as ancestry from a whole host of other European cultures.

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

Sweet

My mum did one of those DNA kits from Ancestry.com and she's 100% UK, which is very rare. I did one and I'm about ⅓ Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Denmark as well as Iceland but the latter only marginally), Longbardo (pre Scandinavia) and Northern Germanic States. I also have a tiny amount of Franco as well.

It's well worth the money if you can afford it but they do sometimes have some good deals on. Xx

100% UK, what does that even mean? I mean there were the Britons, then came the Angels and the Saxons, then the Norse and then the Normans (which in turn are Franco-Norse)...

u/Mathias_Greyjoy avatar

That is not how DNA tests work. It astounds me how many people fork over so much money, while not understanding how the test itself works.

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In my case I'm 100% Western Europe (50% from Northern Portugal, 25% from Azores, and 25% from NW France - formerly SW Germany)

u/Monsieur_Roux avatar

I don't think it's possible to even be 100% from a single region. Ancestry and 23andme DNA tests don't show your historical DNA but instead try to match it to the DNA results of other users. Not to mention that people have done multiple DNA tests with the same company and had wildly different results each time, causing doubt on the accuracy.

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u/Gullintanni89 avatar

NW France - formerly SW Germany

lol wut

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Not according to your DNA test, though:

35.2% Germany: Baden-Würrtemberg North-Rhine Westphalia Switzerland

That's very much Central Europe.

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

Ah

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

That is according to 23 and me the other tests have me at very low Central Europe that’s why I said what I had said

Doesn't that sound a little like cherrypicking to you?

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It's impossible to know if your ancestors was fisherman, farmer, hunter, viking or serfs

It's a very little chance that your ancestors died as vikings

u/Graywolf2002 avatar

With no knowledge of where you were born or any other information I have no way of determining

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

What else would you need

u/Graywolf2002 avatar

I'd need to know what country your from, and if you could provide a few pictures of your face I could probably tell you based off of your facial structure

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If you have curly hair and tan easily youre prolly NOT dominate in northern heritage.

Looking at your post in viking, I'd say likely.

But first, let me clearify in case you do not know already. "Viking" was more or less a job, it is not a classification of a people. Vikings came from what is now a days known as Scandinavian Many a different peoples come from Scandinavia. There has been recent studies of Viking burial sites that show some Vikings came from further east like Asia. So not even all Vikings are what we think of today. All in all its complicated.

However! There are clues here. You're dna shows markers that at some point for a large time your ancestors lived in the Dublin area. Dublin was a viking settlement, so you've got that as a mark towards likelyhood.

But the strongest peice of evidence would be that you are Scandinavian! Even if it is of a smaller %. That just increases the likely hood that some one in your ancestory was a viking (and thus also probably a murderer and rapist. But so is everyone elses!). The real question to ask yourself is, why does it matter?

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

Anything to be said about being 50%+ east anglia Lots of Wales as wel

Any Anglia is going to be Germanic in origins, so at least cousins to "vikings". The Welsh are in many ways Indigenous Briton's. Wales is where a lot of Briton's fled to escape the Romen's. A cool little factoid about Walse: the earliesr known written peice of poetry mention Arthur (the King, but not quite yet) is from Walse.

In your other responds you say you worry about Cultural appropriation. From what I can tell, that's not what your doing. One, the Viking culter is by and large dead. No one is truly practicing the ways of the Norse like they did in the 900's. No one is going on raiding parties (outside of video games). People still worship the gods sure. But definitely not in the same way the ancestors did.

You also hold deep respect and understand deeper meaning to your tattoos. And, there is strong reason to assume they have actually culture meaning to some of your ancestors!

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

So it’s safe to say definitely of the Norse/pagan decent. Wether he Germanic or Viking. And possibly Viking. There’s of course no way to prove that no matter what I do. I feel like I’m as close as I can get and I think it’s safe to say I came from a part of that culture.

Again, Viking was more akin to a job title. But yes. More or less that is the essence of it yeah.

Also, you are for sure a decendent of the over arching Germanic Culture of pre-Christianization. Meaning your ancestors likely worshiped some version of the Aesir and Vanir.

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u/Mathias_Greyjoy avatar

Everyone European is of Norse/pagan descent, whatever that's supposed to mean. Then we were of Christian descent. We are literally all from the same Proto-Indo European roots if you go back far enough.

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u/TowerTop3727 avatar

Dude I know I’ve asked myself these same questions! I’ve been studying it for years! I’ve grown very fond of them (Vikings) and gotten really into researching them learning about them I have a few unique tattoos that I’m working on sleeve too. And they’re not douchey “I’m a bad ass Viking let me tell you how very bad ass I am” tattoos. They’re thoughtful and have meaning and research them and can be sort of vague if you don’t know better. However the valknut is probably a very noticeable one. Anyways to wrap it up it feels like I’m appropriating a culture. One I have no claim to. It feels dirty and not very genuine if I have no links or ties to them. And that’s why I’m so hung up on it. Mostly a OCD personal thing I suppose . The more I research and learn about the Vikings, DNA, haplogroups etc I feel like I know less and have come no closer to a conclusion before knowing anything about those!

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-Brute Norse:

the symbol frequently occurs with horses on other Gotlandic picture stones - maybe suggestive of a horse cult? [...] It also occurs on jewelry, coins, knife-handles, and other more or less mundane objects. [...] Evidence suggests that the symbol's original contents go far beyond the common themes of interpretation, which are none the less fossilized in both scholarly and neopagan discussion. There seems to be more to the symbol than death and sacrifice.

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As long as it's not a vegvísir and/or aegishjalmur...

u/TowerTop3727 avatar

I’ve got the vegvisir but I also understand the history behind it and not going back to Norse

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u/Mathias_Greyjoy avatar

So it's exactly the vegvísir...

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