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This thread is for discussion of Dead to Me Season 2, Episode 6: "You Don't Have To"
Synopsis: Jen scrambles to contain the fallout from Charlie's vehicular hijinks, Judy faces questions about Steve, and Henry experiences a case of stage fright.
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THE LAST 30 SECONDS!!!
I did not see that coming ...
The music slowing down was perfect
Yeeeeaah, I guess it is a small town, Detective.
Gobsmacked right now
The music signified something was coming, but I did NOT expect that. Shock factor 100%.
I started yelling, "Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit!" but quietly because the COVID-19 lockdown has thrown my sleeping habits off and I'm watching at 3:00 AM.
I diedddddd
I called it as soon as michelle mentioned an her ex.
I guessed it as soon as she mentioned her ex... but I didn't think I'd actually be RIGHT!
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
I laughed out loud, it was so unexpected but perfect.
The photobooth scenes at the arcade were so cute, especially with Jen, Charlie, and Henry! Also loved seeing Charlie comforting Henry backstage at the Holy Harmonies concert when Henry was getting stage fright.
The big reveal at the end was really well done. Laguna Beach really is a small town, after all.
Okay for the love of God, did anyone predict that ending at all? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO ME THATDETECTIVE PEREZ IS THE ROOMMATE. I knew it had to be someone we've already seen when Michelle mentioned about her roommate, but ma'am.. It shocked me I had to rewind and completely absorb the fact that that ending wasn't a time skip.
As soon as it started panning away from the door I was like, "oh shit WHO'S THE ROOMMATE!"
Because Jen was building chemistry with Ben, as soon as Judy and Michelle went into the apartment I was waiting for her to pop up. The show seems to keep their cast small. 😂 I still thought it was a fun layer to add as she dislikes Judy so much.
Wait how old are the characters? I woulda never guessed Perez would be the roommate because she looks old enough to be the mother of Judy and Michelle.
Diana, who plays Perez, is 50. Natalie Morales is 35. Not unreasonable.
I knew Perez was her ex/roommate the second Michelle said she lives with her ex. The show is a bit predictable that way.
Judy and Michelle are SO cute together. Their chemistry is amazing and Michelle giving Judy that moonstone, and Judy making it into a necklace was just so wholesome! The ending shook me though! I did not see that coming.
i was so nervous judy was straight but thank lesbian jesus she’s not. also the fact that michelle lives with her ex is peak gay culture & called me out
Both actors gave such great line deliveries during the exchange in the car. "We're just friends," and then, "Cause you're not..." and finally, "Not with her..." The unsaid meaning was clear even to someone as routinely clueless as myself.
The gay gods smiled down upon Dead to Me and I am truly living.
I knew I recognized Michelle but had to IMDB her and she was Tom’s girlfriend on P&R!
She also played a gay born again Christian on Santa Clarita Diet and was hilarious.
She was also Clementine on Girls, the girlfriend of Marnie's music partner.
I was almost certain Judy wasn't into girls but I'm so happy she is. Their chemistry is amazing.
Yours doesn't have to be a mock,it can be a cock...
I love the face he made when he realized his phrasing and the way he awkwardly added a "...tail" to that sentence.
James Marsden is such a fucking treasure
Ah. The photo booth and dance, dance revolution scene. Its all so cute!!
I love how Ben is so cheesy and Jen just cant deal. (Magic Mike and Dance, Dance Revolution) Its hilarious.
James Marsden: “Welp, it’s been fun but I guess that’s all for me except for the occasional flashback shot. Good luck with the show!”
Scriptwriters: “Eh, not so fast ...”
30 seconds later.... Oh shit!!!
I actually audibly yelled “HOLY FUCK” at the end oh my god
I yelled “HOLY SHIT!” and scared my cat awake.
Me too!!!
That ending has made me feel way less guilty for binge watching this literally all day
WORTH IT
I've been trying not to binge watch but after that ending...whew! I need to know what happens next!
Jen muttering to herself in frustration while talking Charlie's little girlfriend into taking down the Instagram posts was comedy gold. Did anyone else feel old when realizing this kid doesn't even know what checks are?
Oh, I think she loves Charlie in the same way she loves hats, though. If she actually loves him, it wouldn't require a bribe to get her to take down something that she believes could get him in trouble.
"What are you drawing?" LOL
"I am drawing a check" :P
as soon as Jen whipped out the checkbook I was like "why tf would she take a check? she's 16 and thinks 8k followers makes her a micro-influencer"
'Dont you have venmo' 😭🤣😭
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Heh! I don't think Parker is dumb, but I did think it's not out of the realm of possibility for her to have never seen a check in her entire life.
Hell, even I don't often see checks anymore, and I'm closer to Jen's age. Last time I had to get out my check book, it took me a minute to remember what I'm supposed to do with it!
I went to write some checks to pay my property taxes the other day before I realized "Oh yeah, I can do that online now".
I really don't think I'm going to be using up the rest of my checks.
i am SO GLAD the plot didn't turn into Judy being oblivious to the fact that Michelle was into her.
That ending! I woke my poor cat up! Holy shit I was not prepared for that at all!
And I was just thinking to myself how wholesome the whole 2nd half of this episode was. Damn, they got me good.
I was ecstatic to see everyone happy and having a good time.
I liked the reveal, I know it’s gonna add drama but it wasn’t depressing
I’m telling you now, nothing, NOTHING could have prepared me for that ending.
I straight up started yelling “OH MY GOD” and THREW my phone because I was not expecting THAT.
Man, I love this show!!
I called it but I didn't think it would actually happen. really glad this thread is mostly "holy shit i didn't see that coming" and not a bunch of "the writing is so predictable it was obvious"
I'm calling it right now:Michelle's ex is the policewoman and Michelle will end up piecing together the mystery because of Judy's big mouth technically not a spoiler because I haven't seen episodes 7-10 but just in case it turns out to be right i don't wanna ruin the twist for anyone :-)
^ HOLY SHIT I TYPED THAT OUT BEFORE FINISHING THE EPISODE
also I nearly spit out my food at the faces judy and jen made at eachother after jen said "I know all her secrets". the comedic timing was just toooo good
WOW! You got it! I figured there would be something about Michelle's ex that would be off but I was NOT expecting it and I'm here for this twist!
thanks! I'm really surprised it actually happened, so I guess it was still a twist for me hahaha
I finally got my partner to watch this episode. I asked him what he thought re: the ending,
😂😂😂😂
nick was such a prick at the beach. what a dickwad
I could cut Nick some slack, considering Judy behaved pretty badly in their relationship.
But how long did they date (not long, right?) and how long has it been since they broke up (I think it might already be longer than the length of time they dated for)? It kind of feels like he should be over it by now.
Well, I hope he gets over it now that he found out she's not even with the guy she dumped him for anymore.
Yeah he was acting like someone who got a divorce and had a nervous breakdown. That was waaaayyyy intense ahahaha
I think it has to do with his mental health and also closing in on the Art Gallery/Steve/Judy and then on top of that Judy leaving to be back with Steve
Yeah I agree he can have some slack, they did meet at a convention for widows so new relationships are hard
The convention was just for grieving in general, it was his best friend who died not significant other. The point still stands that he was in an emotionally vulnerable place though.
I do wonder if we’ll get more of his backstory since they’ve mentioned he had some sort of mental breakdown and his partner was killed in an accidental(?) shooting.
If someone wants to give a quick recap of the Nick storyline, that'd be great.
Him and Judy met at a grief event retreat thing, he was singing a song and Judy approached him afterwards to say it meant a lot to her. He told her he lost his best friend. They ended up sleeping together in the hotel Judy and Jen were staying in that night for the event, and then they dated for a while. It didn't really last but during that time Judy learned he was a former detective, and asked him to help solve Ted's hit and run case. Basically they used him as a go between to bother that lady cop they keep talking to. At some point the lady detective asked why he left the force and he said it was for psychiatric reasons. If you remember last season they were trying to figure out who owned the car that hit Ted cause they had found a car part. He was able to contact people and get a list of people who owned that model in the area. But while they were doing that Judy broke up with him. I don't remember if it really was about the pregnancy but she definitely had cheated on him with Steve by that pt. binged this a couple days ago so some of the details might be off but that's the gist
Thanks! I had a general idea of his storyline but had completely forgotten they'd full on dated for a while rather than it just being a one night stand/a fling before asking for his help with Jen
Judy was sick and thought she was pregnant with Steve's baby. Turns out she can't have kids.
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Drive safely!
Not only did she treat him badly, but he also knows Judy killed somone. It seems a bit odd to think a snide remark is anywhere near out of line.
Everything was so cute and then that ending😭😯
things only get good to be taken away
I did think it could be her when she out of nowhere mentioned living with her ex, I didn't know who else it could be. God when she realises Judy is in her house that'll be great.
when i tell you my jaw literally dropped to the floor at the end of this episode and it’s still there......... omg
"Eat my fucking butthole, Judy" 😆
What
Are you talking about the next episode
I may have jumped on the wrong thread when I heard that. Im sorry.
Holy shittttt my jaw dropped at the end!
Wow..this season! Am I the only one that is struggling to watch this season because I am all the time like "omg they are going to catch them" and I get so stressed for them XD
Wanted to comment how glad I am James Marsden is still in the show. I didn't like how aggressive Steve's character was and I'm so glad I get to like him as Ben. Also this episode ending had me laughing, did not expect that twist at all!!
This show really captures Marsden’s talents. I literally hated his guts as Steve and find him sexy as hell and adorable as Ben.
S2e5 Michelle: I'm a Taurus. S2e6 Michelle, scratches ear and spots Judy's moonstone necklace. Spot the aquarius tattoo on her wrist. (Natalie Morales is an aquarius though)
Maybe Perez was/is an Aquarius? ;)
Still recovering from that twist!
OH SHIT
judy and michelle yesssss i love it.
oh my god the cop.
The “I know all her secrets” part was probably my hardest laugh from this show lol
Lmao her asking what are you drawing while she was writing the check 😂😂😂 those voicemails Steve left here were pretty crazy. Charlie is being so annoying lately smh, Judy and her happened next is Ben and Jen. Oh shit they found the burnt car and she lives with the detective?!
I love nick, so it was great to see him again! I’m happy it looks like he’s gonna have a larger role in latter half.
Also, did not see that ending coming at all
OK, I refuse to believe a professional realtor like Jen doesn't know what the fuck Venmo is.
my parents are both realtors and the best in their area, but I don't think they know what Venmo is
Isn't there like a 2-3000 cap on venmo anyways?
Are people paying for houses with Venmo now?
No, venmo not an acceptable form of down payment or closing costs
Yes, Venmo can be used to make mortgage payments lol
How would someone working in realty not know about one of the largest digital payment apps in the world?
You have to see it from another generation’s perspective. Millennials are really the first to grow up in a truly digital world. It took my mom a year to convince her that Cash App wasn’t going to steal all her credit card information, and both my parents have been involved in realty. They actually still have paper stocks that they never transferred to the digital system. There are also many who are slow and begrudging to change, especially older companies. One of my jobs does not even have a direct deposit set option, you either go to their office to pick up your check or have it mailed to you. I wouldn’t put it past her (Jen’s) character to be old fashioned, seeing the phone she owns.
Was totally whispering under my breath like Jen... “I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT!!!!”
Oooooh when the music slows and starts playing all distorted, I freaking KNEW.
Sorry I was binge watching them had to go to work so now that I see the ending with the detective. Why is Michelle and the detective still living together????
Because the detective grew up in foster care and has abandonment issues.
Another ridiculous twist 🙄
The Young and the Restless with a bigger budget.
Really a genius move to distort the music omgg
What kind of message do you teach your kid. When you make a commitment and when your group is depending on you it's okay to bail because your nervous?
The show must go on.
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Also Christopher gave him the out.
It's one song in a whole show, nobody would notice if it doesn't happen and the group isn't big enough that there's a kid who is only in that song. You shouldn't have to make a kid do something that makes them feel horrible. It's only one commitment out of many it's ok for a kid to skip out every once in a while.
I agreed wi