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I considered it one of the best MCU, superhero, and comic book movies then, and consider it the same now. Also as a Captain America reader it really felt perfect. The First Avenger is a pretty good movie and kind of underrated/underappreciated. I don't mean to take anything away from that, but Winter Soldier is the modern Cap movie that I always wanted to see.
I wasn't blown away by First Avenger but going back to it after Winter Soldier I found that I liked it a lot more. Winter Soldier was a great film in its own right - possibly still the best MCU film - but it also deserves recognition for what it did for the wider MCU. It showed that the films didn't have to be formulaic - something that seems to have been forgotten more recently - and helped to look at the characters in a different light.
This is very factual
It’s definitely been forgotten. There’s a reason some of the most superhero movies are unconventional today compared to the movies of the past 15 years. Deadpool, Logan, Winter Soldier. People are dying for fresh takes on these stories
Forget superhero, it's a great political thriller in general.
100% agree, take away the comic book references and just make the main characters like military special forces trained govt agents. Still would’ve been an awesome movie
Absolutely - it has hints of those Robert Redford political movies with a splash of enemy of the state
And Redford's casting was such a wink at it.
This is how I used to try to explain The Dark Knight to people who wouldn't watch a Batman movie. But with a terrorist instead of the Joker.
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It would be nice to see especially when you see how many “heroes” have a military background: Cap Steve, Cap Sam, Bucky, US Agent, Punisher, Cage, Fury, Danvers, Rhodey, Falcon, Wolverine, Sabretooth, I’m literally testing my brain pockets on how many I can remember. 😜
It’s a spy-thriller not a political thriller. It’s heavily inspired by the Bourne trilogy.
Jesus Christ, that’s Capt America.
Jesus Christ, That’s Steve Rogers
Language!
Ehh not so much it's more heavily inspired by Ed brubaker winter soldier story arc mixed with robert Redfords three days of the concord political thriller film . The Russo's spoke to both of these as the main influences hence why they cast Robert Redford as Pierce as a nod / homage to that film
That intro scene on the ship had some Metal Gear Solid vibes
I’m just gonna be here for the person from r/moviescirclejerk to screenshot your comment and post it there
The First Avenger is to The Winter Soldier as A New Hope is to The Empire Strikes Back. You don't get the masterful sequel without the groundbreaking original.
TWS is still and will probably always be my favorite MCU film.
I think it's best quality is it's extremely watchable. It's like Shawshank, if you happen to stumble across it airing, you're going to sit there and watch the whole thing.
I remember watching it on a computer once in the same room my wife was crafting in. 15 minutes later, her craft was completely forgotten and she was just watching with me.
It's a pretty good spy movie too. Up there with James Bond, Salt,
Hands down best of the mcu without a doubt.
The First Avenger starts off strong and just sort of tapers off for me. I like the WW2 setting and how they adapted his outfit to be more of an army uniform and all that. Once we get more into the plot, it sort of becomes bland for me.
But yeah, Winter Soldier remains entertaining throughout and I still enjoy it.
Agreed , agreed , agreed !! Watched it a few weeks ago and it holds up pretty well
This film sets the bar for grounded(mostly) MCU films or series. Captain America 4 has a lot to live up to.
CA4 won't live up to it.
Who knows it might
I just have zero faith in that film. The 4 to 6 month reshoot period after they got "gotta do better senator" to write the fucking thing in the first place. I just can't imagine it as anything less than a cluster fuck.
I don't think people grasp how absolutely insane that is. 4 to 6 months of filming is double the time of principal photography.They're essentially filming an entirely new movie in that time. And the last time they did 4 months of reshoots. Secret Invasion was the result.
It's essentially telling us that the film they shot during principal photography to start with was so bad. That they need half a year to fix it.
And I hate saying this because the Cap franchise is my favourite of the MCU. Hence why I clicked on the thread. But I just can't be optimistic about Cap 4 after what we've learned.
Not to mention Sebastian Stan isn't even in this movie?? What are they thinking.
The troubles this film and Blade seem to be having are really perplexing to me. Like, it's not rocket science. I feel like Cap and Blade are two of the easier Marvel properties to handle in terms of overall story and character complexities (or lack thereof). Cap is an ideal to strive to towards and a good solider who fights terrorists and Blade is a gruff antihero who hunts vampires. Choreograph some solid action scenes, make the characters likeable, inject a little heart and humor and let's get this show on the road, man.
Good points. Yikes.
But nah
Odds are against it. Their quality output isn't what it once was.
Possible, but highly unlikely.
Yeah let’s start complaining before it comes out! Fun…there should be more complaining on the internet
You known that's how they do especially here on a marvel subreddit
Black Widow tried to be in the same genre/idea. Not as good for sure.
I would argue that part of the reason it failed is because they didn’t stay grounded enough
“Before we get started does anyone want to get out?”
Still one of my favorite Marvel movies.
Also, when Winter Soldier first tried to kill Fury. Man that scene was awesome! “Integrity 1%- NOW!” And “What’s not damaged - Air conditioning is fully functional” - awe man, that was good dialogue even if with a computer.
One of the best car chase sequences ever. I probably rewatch that more than I rewatch the elevator scene.
I definitely have. I mean, his getaway was pretty unbelievable, but it didn’t matter. The scene was amazing.
I love this note. The pacing, dialogue, acting and cinematography are so great we can simply handwave away a never before or since seen MCU lightsaber that can cut a tunnel to the sewers in seconds. Isn't even a blip on the radar.
Agreed
The dc car chase sequence is possibly their best car chase sequence
I consider that whole scene the absolute pinnacle of what the marvel formula can look like if written and executed properly
>lots of action and camera cuts, but still very followable
>actually funny jokes and quips spaced appropriately and timed properly
>genuine tension and fast paced dialogue, but again still very well paced
and ofc the great sound track and the sting of the winter soldier entering the shot
The opening scene on the Lumerian Star and the elevator fight show exactly why Cap is a super soldier.
I mean, the guy took out a quinjet in about 30 seconds… with a frickin’ shield!
Strike Agent: Was he wearing a parachute?
Brock Rumlow: [Smiles] No. No, he wasn't.
“Before we get started, does anyone want to get out?” - Steve Rogers, Captain Badass
Maaaaan I wish I could watch this movie again for the first time.
Cap has always been my favorite super-hero, but when I first watched this movie, I was going through a "superheroes are for nerds, and I'm definitely not a nerd" phase as a teen. So everything I love about this movie now, I made fun of then.
This one doesn't get enough love as an all-time great Hollywood line. It's equal parts bad-ass and completely honest and on brand for his character.
Winter Soldier and Netflix daredevil are the bar for earth-bound, non-paranormal MCU stories.
Give me grounded earth-bound MCU stories anyday of the week. I love them. (Not to say I enjoyed the heck out of say Guardians of the Galaxy)
And S1 & 3 of Jessica Jones. Killgrave is the best villain in the MCU
I think I have to favor Kingpin over Kilgrave, but Purple Man still is definitely up there.
I would add homecoming.... and far from home
After ten years, it is still in my top 5 of all MCU Films, you can argue the best comic book movie all time. Great storytelling, great character development, and in my opinion the best action sequences of all MCU films. Both fight scenes between Cap and Winter Soldier, elevator scene, and Cap vs Batroc still holds up today.
It’s also the one (after infinity saga) I rewatch the most. That is telling.
It's one of the few MCU movies that aren't just good comic/super hero movies, but are actually good movies in their own right.
Even screen junkie honest trailer found it hard to pick anything bad. They praised the movie.
Great movie. The scene where Fury is trying to do anything he can in the car or get assistance to get away from Hydra was an intense scene, but the part where he ask the car what's still operational and it responds that the AC is fully functional always makes me laugh.
This film, but more specifically, this scene, was the moment I fell in love with the MCU. It suddenly felt very real with real jeopardy. The whole genre just elevated at the moment that car rammed into Fury's vehicle. Wow.
Wanna see my lease? 🙄
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It’s what secret invasion should have been.
Also, black widow
Ya but I did like Black Widow. Could have been better but I still liked it
Right??? ?!!
Bucky knife flip is one of the top scene i will always remember. That was siiiiiick
Cap rolling behind his shield while the hydra guy shoots him with the mini minigun will never not be cool
Or Cap jumping off the building scene, I was just like that the first time 😲
One of the things I really like about Cap is that most of the time, he feels like a street-level, peak-human hero. He's just some guy who's good at hand-to-hand fighting, not much different than Nat, Clint, etc. But then every once in a while he busts out a move that makes you go, "Oh yeah, he's a super hero." Jumping out of the building is one of those. The motorcycle flip, the helicopter grab, running down the highway with Bucky and Black Panther.
Strange as it sounds, Spider-Man kind of has the same feel. Like, you never forget that he's super, with all the web-slinging. But he's so often goofing around and punching below his weight class that you sometimes get surprised when he pulls out something amazing (e.g., the train, the ferry).
Agree 400%
I love how the pitch of the bullets hitting his shield goes up as he gets closer
That whole sequence, starting with Sitwell getting tossed, is one of the best choreographed action sequences I’ve seen.
Ok i am done, i am going to re-watch the movie tonight 😁😂
Is it wrong that Sitwell getting tossed out of the car like a peice of trash makes me laugh?