Caligula - unrated version (1979)

Caligula - unrated version (1979)

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PostJan 29, 2016#1

Caligula (1979)

This is a weirdie. It is certainly not genre, but if Fellini could claim that Satyricon was a science fiction film, this certainly qualifies as a sort of fantastic interpretation of historical events that takes place in outrageously extravagant sets which have no relationship to real space or real architecture. The theatrical based structures' sole purpose is to present and frame the scenes we are looking at. No one character is able to achieve any degree of humanity and one might as well be looking at aliens for two and a half hours. 


The film itself is a disaster. Real actors were called in (Gielgud, Mirren, O'Toole, McDowell,) but for the most part they seem to be ignored by the camera and editing. It feels as if this might work better as a silent film because as the actors recite their dialogue the camera and the editing do their best to undercut them. It zooms in and out, it gets distracted by elements in the background and foreground or by hardcore inserts which may or may not have been added in post production.


There is certainly a recognizable rhythm in the editing, but it really has nothing to do with anything else that is going on. It may very well be that the editor had nothing better to work on: several times the image we are focused on is a fuzzy, zoomed-in and cropped image of one or two of the actors. We might also end up looking at the back of the head of the actor as he/she does their dialogue.
Most of the blame could easily be placed on the shooting director. Is this an instance where the director and the actors simply did not speak the same language*? There was probably never a good film in there, but a better (chosen) director could have shot better materials for the editor and might also have guided the actors better in what was desired of them. It would still not have not resulted in a good film, but maybe as optimal a film as possible while sticking with the limitations of the established concept.


The film seems to have been designed as a series of Sadean tableaux (in mostly impressive sets - in one instance the set is impressive, but they were only able to bring on a few dozen Roman soldiers and the scene looks underpopulated,) in which the actors are lost, yet appear to be doing their best with what dialogue and direction they are given.


Knowing what I know of Guccione, this seems exactly like the film that Penthouse would produce: the focus being on sex, violence and in grossing out the audience with grotesque imagery: urination (fake) and vomiting (possibly real) happen right on camera. Series such as the excellent Rome (TV Series 2005–2007) have since proven that one can have elements such as these without detriment to the dramatic impact of the whole, but in Caligula the drama element itself seems like an afterthought or as something that was simply forgotten in the shuffle.


The story, or whatever there is that can be called it is the story of Caligula's rise to power after the assassination of Tiberius, and his subsequent fall after a brief period of power. 


There are plenty of horrific and gross out scenes: stabbing of a soldier after his stomach has been distended after forced drinking of much wine; an enormous decapitating machine; freaks (real deformed men and women in addition to some achieved via special effects - I hope,) the rape of a virgin bride and the fisting of the bridegroom (thankfully many of the horrific scenes are not as explicit as one would fear, some are implied and some happen just off camera,) multiple castrations, poisonings, stabbings, a disturbingly graphic child murder; a horse in a bed that cannot but recall the Marx Bros.' Duck Soup**; many explicit orgies with all sorts of toys and mechanical implements, soft and hard core scenes, etc.


Does not get a recommendation, but it might be of historical interest to some, or as well illustrated example of what happens when things go wrong while making a film. 


Hefner had better success with Macbeth
I'd say watch that instead.


* I may have seen another Tinto Brass film, but I cannot recall, so cannot compare with a fully Italian production.
** Some dialogue seems inspired by Groucho's dialogue from Duck Soup


"Caesonia: They are senators and consuls. They are important men.Caligula: So important that they approve all I do?
Caesonia: They must be mad.
Caligula: I don't know what else to do to revolt them.



"Proculus: Divine Ceasar, PLEASE! What have I done? Why am I here?
Caligula: Treason!
Proculus: Treason? I have always been loyal to you!
Caligula: [laughs insanely] That IS your treason! You're an honest man, Proculus, which means a bad Roman! Therefore, you are a traitor! Logical, hmm? Ha, ha, ha!"

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PostJan 29, 2016#2

Gielgud said something to the effect of,

"Some ACTED... most just PERFORMED..."

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PostFeb 01, 2016#3

That's one way of looking at it, that there are two things going on: Drama and Porn. I'd argue that there are three things going on if one also adds the Ilsa styled Exploitation element. 

Had there actually been decent footage (which there isn't - as the supposedly even more worthless, R-rated cut attests,) one could have made three films out of it: a worthwhile, adult oriented, historical drama, a high-budgeted porn (surely they could have added something about Caligula ordering some sausage pizza or something like that... and voila!) and a violent exploitation film for those who dig that sorta thing.


Ebert (whose I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie lists Caligula,) indicates that the original cut was around three hours long - he left at the two hour mark - so obviously there is or was lots of footage available. 


Danny Peary claims to actually like some of the bits in The Guide for the Film Fanatic.


The only thing I see as salvageable are the sets and costumes, Ken Russell could surely have made an epic musical with them. 


Or just imagine if Corman had access to those resources: budget, actors, sets, etc. He coulda built a whole career out of them. (Actually Caligula has lots of similarities to Masque of the Red Death: both are presented as a series of tableaux featuring orgies and murders 'hosted' by a very powerful and very corrupt man...)

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PostFeb 05, 2016#4

I have, unfortunately, seen this and agree it exists for only one reason. The entire concept was to build the story around the multiple sex scenes, which were to be graphic. After Tinto Brass turned in his cut, Bob Guccione decided the film needed more "heat" so he got a bunch of his girls to perform hard core closeups which he inserted into the finished film. Just how Brass got respected actors like Helen Mirren, John Gielgud, Peter O'Toole and Malcolm McDowell to appear in this thing is a mystery.

Very little drama, no historical credibility, and lots of porn.

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PostFeb 05, 2016#5

>Just how Brass got respected actors like Helen Mirren, John Gielgud, Peter O'Toole and Malcolm McDowell to appear in this thing is a mystery.<

 

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PostFeb 05, 2016#6

..............indeed!

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PostFeb 26, 2016#7

The Abbott & Costello movie It Ain't Hay also has a horse in a bed scene. Somehow I get the impression it is a nod to the Marx film since Here Come the Co-Eds features a character named Oliver Quackenbush, which could very well be both an Oliver & Hardy and also a Marx Bros. reference.

I gotta say, it's funny that neither of the two comedy precedents feel offensive in the way that the Caligula scene does.

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PostFeb 26, 2016#8

IMDB says "According to Malcolm McDowell, Peter O'Toole's first words to John Gielgud onset were, "Hello, Johnny! What is a knight of the realm doing in a porno movie!?" ".

I actually like parts of this. Peter O'Toole is a hoot - he's clearly bombed out of his tree & it fits the character. (He later defended the movie in interviews with the line "nobody ever got hurt by a t*t")

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PostFeb 26, 2016#9

Yeah, well... that was before The Dictator.

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PostFeb 27, 2016#10

hermanthegerm wrote:
The Abbott & Costello movie It Ain't Hay also has a horse in a bed scene. Somehow I get the impression it is a nod to the Marx film since Here Come the Co-Eds features a character named Oliver Quackenbush, which could very well be both an Oliver & Hardy and also a Marx Bros. reference.

I gotta say, it's funny that neither of the two comedy precedents feel offensive in the way that the Caligula scene does.
There's a comic horse in the bed scene as late as AIRPLANE.

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PostMar 01, 2016#11

It's a trainwreck of a movie, yes... but (young) Helen Mirren is a real hottie!

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PostFeb 04, 2022#12

Rick wrote:
Feb 27, 2016
hermanthegerm wrote:
The Abbott & Costello movie It Ain't Hay also has a horse in a bed scene. Somehow I get the impression it is a nod to the Marx film since Here Come the Co-Eds features a character named Oliver Quackenbush, which could very well be both an Oliver & Hardy and also a Marx Bros. reference.

I gotta say, it's funny that neither of the two comedy precedents feel offensive in the way that the Caligula scene does.
There's a comic horse in the bed scene as late as AIRPLANE.
The Richard Pryor Show upped the ante with a camel... On prime time TV!

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PostFeb 04, 2022#13

Terrible film in many respects; the only good thing I can say about it is that Mc Dowell looked the central part.


There's a great story about McDowell and Helen Mirren reading through the script for the first time; Malc was so bewildered and  amused by the depths of depravity as concocted by Gucconni and others onto the printed script-page, he reportedly lay on his back on the floor, kicking his legs in the air, in spasms of  hysterically  rapturous, comic delight. 

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PostFeb 04, 2022#14

There are a few seconds of this film that were pretty pretty good

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PostFeb 04, 2022#15

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These seem to be rare...U.S. with B/W & U.K. with colour photos.
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PostFeb 04, 2022#16

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PostFeb 04, 2022#17

CHEROKEEBRUCE wrote:
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Emphasis on GORE

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PostFeb 05, 2022#18

I HAVE THAT BOOK IN THE COLLECTION ALSO......
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