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ehy would the basque fisherman tell them anything about the west don't they try to keep that at the dl as much as possible. Also if they can get it up and running they will be very rich with all that fish.
Didn't the greenland colonies die out in 1400s so shouldn't there be a few people left?
 
Was sort of surprised several of the ships were cogs, being less suited for open ocean than carracks, but I guess I have heard that clinker built ships were well suited for the north Atlantic. However the sooner they realize that Greenland isn't good for much besides whaling outposts and start skipping it with a more southerly route from Iceland or even Orkney, the better off they will be.

Finding the Grand Banks is very important, even if they won't be able to control it even with a fortress constructed for quite a while. The hopes of doing so someday provides a clear economic incentive, and the cod present a consistent source of food that would keep any colonists alive as they work out the difficulty of farming in NA.

Otherwise, interested in what mess Christian has found himself in that he needs his chief admiral back. The Danish nobles attempting to force Christian into a new constitutional quagmire under the threat of military uprisings? Maybe the Polish are advancing Sten's son as a figurehead in Sweden, can't remember if they ever returned him after Sweden's pacification? Maybe France made a move on Maximilian's Flemish coast, forcing Christian to send his navy to aid his brother-in-law there? Or, probably the obvious, the Swedes are rising up again? Either way, looking forward to it.
 
Very interesting. Im interested in how colonization will be viewed in this era.

Much obliged! I think colonisation will advance much alike in OTL, but the eventual fate of the Vinland colony is still very uncertain.

I have a strong affinity towards a Nordic Newfoundland and Labrador, what with their great fjords and all. The climate, the geography, the culture - its a match. Good to see.

Thank you! I’ve looked at quite a few pictures and atlases to get a feeling of how Newfoundland actually looks and I agree that it’s quite similar to Scandinavia in appearance. Might make it less hard for the Norwegian sailors to “pine for the fiords” when they’re there :)

ehy would the basque fisherman tell them anything about the west don't they try to keep that at the dl as much as possible. Also if they can get it up and running they will be very rich with all that fish.
Didn't the greenland colonies die out in 1400s so shouldn't there be a few people left?

Cabot had already discovered Newfoundland by 1497 (IIRC) and English as well as Basque fishermen were already using the island as a staging point for their fishing. As such I thought it a bit implausible if Norby wouldn’t run into any other Europeans on his voyage. Furthermore, if you’re wintering in a foreign land and the deputy of said land’s ruler shows up with a quite large host of men and guns, I think it’d be quite plausible for the Basques to be a bit accommodating.

Nobody really knows exactly when the last Norse settlers disappeared from Greenland. But it’s safe to say that around 1500, there were none left.

Was sort of surprised several of the ships were cogs, being less suited for open ocean than carracks, but I guess I have heard that clinker built ships were well suited for the north Atlantic. However the sooner they realize that Greenland isn't good for much besides whaling outposts and start skipping it with a more southerly route from Iceland or even Orkney, the better off they will be.

Finding the Grand Banks is very important, even if they won't be able to control it even with a fortress constructed for quite a while. The hopes of doing so someday provides a clear economic incentive, and the cod present a consistent source of food that would keep any colonists alive as they work out the difficulty of farming in NA.

Otherwise, interested in what mess Christian has found himself in that he needs his chief admiral back. The Danish nobles attempting to force Christian into a new constitutional quagmire under the threat of military uprisings? Maybe the Polish are advancing Sten's son as a figurehead in Sweden, can't remember if they ever returned him after Sweden's pacification? Maybe France made a move on Maximilian's Flemish coast, forcing Christian to send his navy to aid his brother-in-law there? Or, probably the obvious, the Swedes are rising up again? Either way, looking forward to it.

Indeed, I thought that the discovery of the cod banks would make an excellent incentive for the Nordic crown to keep its eye on the New World. However, I also think that the blockhouses will fall into disrepair before some actual settlement can be established. I think the English only started to settle the island in OTL some hundred years after John Cabot’s discovery.

As for the ship types, I admit freely that I’m no great expert on 16th century vessels. I imagined the convoy consisting of one big ship (the Angel), three medium sized carracks and a varied assortment of smaller trade ships.

Regarding the situation in Europe, I hope you’ll forgive me the liberty of a small cliffhanger. I gotta do something to keep what little interest there is in this humble timeline alive

However, it’s a little bit of everything you mentioned. After all, OTL’s Battle of Pavia is only a few short years away!
 
Love the update, a few thoughts I was looking into the area a few month ago. While Newfoundland are the place we most focus on, I suspect that Prince Edwards Island would fast be the center of the Danish colonial focus, as it lend itself much more to agriculture and have a rather mild climate. In general I expect the Danes would see the Gulf of St. Lawrence as a new Kattegat, a strategic important region which the Danish state sought to dominate. It offer a wide range of different and useful territories and controlling allow Danish control over access to St. Lawrence and the Great Lakes.
 
Love the update, a few thoughts I was looking into the area a few month ago. While Newfoundland are the place we most focus on, I suspect that Prince Edwards Island would fast be the center of the Danish colonial focus, as it lend itself much more to agriculture and have a rather mild climate. In general I expect the Danes would see the Gulf of St. Lawrence as a new Kattegat, a strategic important region which the Danish state sought to dominate. It offer a wide range of different and useful territories and controlling allow Danish control over access to St. Lawrence and the Great Lakes.

I did think about extending Norby's voyages further West to OTL Acadia, but decided against it to minimize the success of the first voyage. If Nordic control remains in force, however, I do think what you're suggesting would be the most probable trajectory for Dano-Norwegian-Swedish colonialism in the New World.
 
I did think about extending Norby's voyages further West to OTL Acadia, but decided against it to minimize the success of the first voyage. If Nordic control remains in force, however, I do think what you're suggesting would be the most probable trajectory for Dano-Norwegian-Swedish colonialism in the New World.

I think with placing a permanent population in Newfoundland, further Nordic activity in the region are near unavoidable, no one else was active in the region for decades into the future, and it’s hard to imagine that the Beothuk would overrun the winter settlement or it would suffer from famine.
 
Hullo there everyone!
I've been swarmed by RL these past few months and am still currently suffering from a quite extensive workload. However, I have had some time to work on the TL - researching a new (and rather nice, if I should say so myself) map along the way:

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It might be a bit of a hint, but it's safe to say that the King in the North(tm)'s agreements with the emperor have rustsled some feathers.

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I think with placing a permanent population in Newfoundland, further Nordic activity in the region are near unavoidable, no one else was active in the region for decades into the future, and it’s hard to imagine that the Beothuk would overrun the winter settlement or it would suffer from famine.

The trick is to figure out which people would colonise the place. Malcontent Swedes? The Lady Kristina perhaps? :d I'll need to do some research on comparable OTL colonial ventures before deciding on the direction, methinks.

Good update :) The Danish are in a pretty good position at this point to colonize this slice of the new world.

Thank you! I hope to deliver another update rather soonish.
 
Chapter 13: A Web of Discontent
Chapter 13
A Web of Discontent





Sleep, sleep;
Goodnight Gottorp Keep
When the meadow again turns green
Once more in Denmark you shall be seen

-
Couplet by Iver Munk, bishop of Ribe, ca. 1513



"Some gifts Your Grace gold and precious stones and some serve Your Grace in war and feud, but my treasure is no greater than what meagre ink and paper can produce, still I do so of no less love than those who risk their necks and lives for Your Grace."


Poul Helgesen’s dedication to Christian II in his translation of Erasmus’ The Education of a Christian Prince, 1522[1]




By late August, Christian II and Elisabeth were back in Copenhagen.


The king had brought a cohort of Netherlandish artists and artisans with him and these were immediately set to work in the capital’s secretariats and the royal hundreds in the Zealandic hinterlands.

As one of the conservative councillors remarked in a letter to his wife it seemed as if “... His Grace wants to completely ruin the honest merchant people of Amager Isle and replace them with Dutchmen and other ruffians.”[2] To claim the king wanted to populate his domains with farmers and merchants from the Low Countries might be to grant the conservative opposition too much credence, but there can be no doubt that a societal transformation was in the works.

The chancery immediately put the new men to the task of going over the realm’s finances, seeking out ways to maximise the profits for the king’s exchequer. Likewise, a score of Antwerpian merchants who had journeyed to Denmark at Christian II’s invitation were initiated into the charter of the steadily blossoming Nordic Trade Company. One of the main obstacles when it came to streamlining the crown’s incomes and expenses was the fact that a great deal of the fiefs were still enfeoffed on terms disadvantageous to the king. Although the state finances were steadily improving, a majority of the Jutish fiefs remained either pledged or given in service to members of the higher aristocracy; nobles who continued to question the validity of Christian’s kingship. There were, however, some exceptions. The king’s friend, Mogens Gøye, held the fief and strong castle of Skanderborg as a pledge against a massive loan, but Gøye was wholly on the side of his sovereign. Indeed, the Skanderborg castellan was unequivocal in his support of the rights of the crown vis-a-vis the council of the realm. Time and time again, Gøye had stressed the nobility’s duty to serve the king and support him in the advancement of the realm[3]. Such support would be vital if Christian was to reform the feudal society.



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The Harvesters by Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1565. The painting was originally part of a series of six different representations of peasant life, where only four other works survive; The Hunters in the Snow being the most well known example. The Danish peasantry had for centuries lived under very varied conditions, chiefly depending on which region of the realm they happened to live. To the great irritation of the aristocracy, Christian II began reforming the legislative structure of the realm - including a considerable improvement of the peasantry’s lot.


The second half of the 15th century had already seen an increased centralisation and monetisation of state finances, fuelled by need to fund the union wars with Sweden. Furthermore, the political and economic strength of the crown grew steadily towards the turn of the century, owing in large parts to an increase in the maritime trade through the Sound as well as higher tariffs from market towns. These developments had been mirrored by king Hans’ employment of burghers and men from the lower aristocracy in the fief administration. Such a trend was common in other Western European states where Charles VII of France and Henry VII of England both had relied on men of lower birth in restoring their kingdoms. The elevation of members of the lower aristocracy and burgher class continued under Christian II, in obvious conflict with the stipulations of his accession charter. However, the king, heeding the advice of Hans Mikkelsen (mayor of Malmø in Scania and a major shareholder in the trade company) as well as reform-minded nobles such as the Gøye and Bille brothers proceeded carefully, limiting burgher fief-holders to the isle of Zealand and a few inconsequential domains in Western and Northern Jutland[4].

Nevertheless, regardless of what the accession charter might stipulate, it was clear that the administration of the fiefs was one of the keys to bringing the heart of the Oldenburg triple monarchy on pair with the other emerging New Monarchies of the West.

Danish Crown Income 1522
Type of income​
Percentage of income
Fief income28,4%
Uncertain fief dues8,5%
Rural court fines14,2%
Urban court fines18,4%
Urban taxes9,2%
Scanian Market7,1%
The Sound Due14,2%
Total​
100%



As the above figures show, the feudal system of administration constituted almost 40% of the crown’s income[5]. In order to reform the system and bring the nobility in line as loyal civil servants instead of minor lordlings with their own standing armies, Christian needed to redeem the large amount of fiefs currently held as pledges. However, this required funds which the crown’s purse did not presently have and it would certainly estrange some of the more wavering members of the aristocracy, especially in Jutland.

Already rumours of dissent were spreading from Riberhus on the ducal borders, where Predbjørn Podebusk sat as fiefholder. His wealth was in many ways compatible to that of Mogens Gøye, sometimes even surpassing that of the Skanderborg castellan. However, in his politics he differed wildly. An old-school religious conservative and a councilar constitutionalist to boot, Podebusk saw the king’s plans for reforms as a Damocles Sword hanging over the heads of both church and aristocracy. A shrewd and ambitious man, he had spent the past years cultivating a political alliance with other councillors, Iver Munk, bishop of Ribe and Niels Stygge Rosenkrantz, bishop of Børglum being the most prominent. All three had been members of the shadowy cabale which had tried to convince Frederick, the king’s uncle, to take the throne instead of Christian not ten year previous.



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The administrative division of Denmark and the duchies of Schleswig and Holstein in 1522. For an explanation of the difference in fief types see chapter 1[6].


In Gottorp, the hitherto cautious Frederick Oldenburg was beginning to move. Ever since his elder brother had tried to force him into the church in the 1470s, Frederick had been prickish about his honour and station. In 1482, supported by the formidable dowager queen Dorothea of Brandenburg, he had succeeded in seeing the rulership of the duchies of Schleswig and Holstein divided between himself and king Hans. Although the ducal (Gottorpian) and royal (Segebergian) parts were in theory united in feudal allegiance to the king of Denmark, the powerful equestrian nobility of the duchies favoured Frederick by far. Furthermore, the duke of Gottorp continued to advance claims on the Norwegian throne, styling himself “... rightly chosen heir to Norway.”[7]

With Christian II’s new understanding with the emperor and the subsequent transfer of enfeoffment rights to the king of Denmark, Frederick’s position was swiftly deteriorating. Considering the duke's particular sense of justice, it was certain that his nephew’s newfound authority would not go unchallenged. By Michaelmas 1521, the king had summoned his uncle to Copenhagen to discuss the new situation in the duchies, but Frederick refused, feigning illness. However, the king ignored the slight, comparing his uncle to “... an old hen who did not like to leave the comfort of his cozy nest.”[8] Soon, administrative and legal reforms took precedent to solving the Holsteinian issue.

Since time immemorial Denmark had been governed under three separate regional laws: one for Scania, one for Jutland and one for Zealand and the lesser isles. With one stroke Christian and his lawyers at the Copenhagen colleges welded these three into one quintessential body of legislation - the Rigslov, the Law of the Realm[9]. Published on the Day of the Epiphany, the 6th of January 1522, the law was a masterful combination of renaissance humanism and crown centralisation - creating a unified and streamlined legal practice that greatly enhanced the power of the sovereign. A new civil service, completely beholden to the king was created, the office of a so-called skultus[10] being created. The skultus would take on the role of police, criminal prosecutor and arbitrator in all matters within the market towns. The bonds between the crown and the burghers were thus strengthened considerably. Furthermore, the law made sharp provisions for the education of peasant children just as it forbade the worst kinds of noble abuse vis-a-vis the peasantry. One paragraph distinctively outlawed the practice of villenaige on Zealand terming it:


“... an unchristian practice which is present on Zealand, Falster, Laaland and Møen, where poor peasants and Christian people have been sold and awarded to others like common cattle, shall after this day never be permitted to happen again, and if their lord and master treats them unjustly and inflict upon them wrongful grievances, then they shall be permitted to move to another [nobleman's] estate, such as peasants do in Scania, Funen and Jutland."[11]


Although the nobility of Zealand remained the most pliable in the realm, and as such did little to protest the king’s new laws, the distinctly anti-aristocratic corpus of legislation caused a considerable stir within the nobility. Indeed, the aristocratic estate in Denmark was more akin to a close-knit caste, consisting approximately 2 permille of the total population. However, social mobility within the estate remained dynamic on account of the continuous split and reassembly of landed properties through marriage. As such a nobleman might easily find new lands in a part of the realm different from where he grew up.

Combined with the Great Reces of 1520, the Law of the Realm had succeeded in creating, as one scholar noted, “... a reactionary axis around which the crown’s enemies could rally.” Furthermore, the royal appointment of Christiern Pedersen to the episcopal see of Lund had been a blatant violation of the king’s accession charter, which also incurred the ire of the councilar constitutionalists. A sentiment only made stronger by the 1519 Christmas coup in Stockholm. As such, whilst the king pored over legal books, his uncle Frederik had amble threads to spin a web of discontent between Gottorp, Jutland and Lübeck.


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Frederick I Co-duke of Schleswig and Holstein, painted by the German artist Jacob Binck ca. 1520. A cautious political operator, the duke had enjoyed the complete support of his extremely skilled mother Dorothea. A fact which no doubt explains the sophistication of the web of plots he spun around his nephew from the ducal court in Gottorp.


The hegemon of the Wendish Hansa had been no less alarmed than the duke of Gottorp by Christian’s newfound rights of enfeoffment. Already the German kontors were struggling with increased competition from Dutch traders. If the Nordic realms succeeded in establishing their own mercantile company, backed by the arms of the Oldenburg monarchy, then Lübeck’s preeminence in the Baltic would soon wither away. Something would have to be done. Luckily for the Hansa, the timing could not have been more perfect. Only if the king’s campaign in Sweden had ended in disaster would the soil have been more fertile for domestic turmoil.

By way of the Gottorpian chancellor, Wolfgang Uttenhof, a number of carefully concealed and encrypted letters were exchanged between the Hanseatic mayors and duke Frederick. Money was raised, ostensibly for the refurbishment of the Wendish trading cogs. For some unknown reason, the fields outside the Holstentor soon became awash with encamped Landsknechts. This was a time of secrecy, hooded cloaks and mumbled commands in dark rooms. Contact was also established with Bogislaw X duke of Pomerania, whose daughter Frederick had taken for his second wife in 1514. Finally, Henry, duke of Braunschweig-Lüneburg, no friend to the king of Denmark, was drawn into the web[12].

However, the Frederickian cause could not rest solely on the duke’s wounded pride. If he were to defend his usurpation, and there can be no doubt that this was the end-goal of the duke’s ambitions, Frederick needed constitutional legitimacy. Enter the bishop of Ribe’s brother, Mogens Munk[13]. Munk was a legal man, secunded to the supreme regional court of Jutland with a knack for brokering hard deals and consoling estranged parties. His position allowed him to travel freely, which he did often. Mostly to visit his brother in Ribe, where he coincidentally would also pay his respects to Predbjørn Podebusk. Slowly but steadily the conspirators gathered support amongst the lower Jutish nobility, charging the king with tyranny, corruption and the imposition on the realm of foreign practices. Their secret weapon was to be the ius resistendi embedded in the royal accession charter.

Shortly before Easter 1522, Christian had resolved to bring his uncle to heel. A second command went forth, summoning the duke to a meeting in Kolding, closer to the border between Schleswig and the Danish realm and once again, Frederick made excuses. When the king learned of his uncle’s intransigence, he reportedly flew into a rage, loudly declaring that before long his hounds would “... bay outside the walls of Gottorp![14] In other words: he would not ask nicely a third time. Instead, he would personally go to the ducal court and force his uncle to accept the new order in the duchies. When word of the king’s outburst reached Gottorp, the ever careful Frederick resolved to act.


He would not let his nephew humiliate him like his brother had.



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Author's Note: So another update. Things are moving ahead and we’re starting to see how the great reforms of Christian II have created a united oppositional front between some rather formidable foes.

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Footnotes


[1]
Both quotes are OTL

[2]Quote from a 1522 OTL petition by the council of the realm to halt the Dutch immigration

[3]This is all OTL. Mogens Gøye, although he was the richest nobleman in the realm, was surprisingly progressive in his politics.

[4]In OTL, Christian II was very determined in placing burghers on important fiefs as well as castles. Although Sigbrit isn’t around to influence the king as much as in OTL, I think Christian would still promote men of lower birth, albeit at a somewhat ‘controlled’ scale.

[5]These are OTL figures from 1524 - a time where Denmark had been through many calamities avoided ITTL. However, the figures does give a credible glimpse at what the royal incomes in the 1520s could have looked like for Christian II.

[6]This map is, if I should say so myself, rather unique. I know of no other map showing these administrative subdivisions. As it’s based on a wide variety of sources there might be some mistakes in the naming of the hundreds Schleswig, but otherwise it’s an accurate representation of the situation in OTL’s 1523 on the eve of Christian II’s flight. Changes are: The fiefs of Aalborghus, Krogen and Copenhagen were all under burgher fief-holders in OTL. These have been replaced ITTL by nobles of either lower birth or close friends of the king. An example is Eske Bille, who, in this timeline, remains in charge of Copenhagen Castle, another is Krogen, where Torben Oxe holds court. If one wanted to be completely true to the butterfly effect, some hundreds would have been amalgamated into completely different fiefs, but researching such developments would have taken a huge amount of time.

[7]All of this is OTL

[8]This being the characterisation of king Frederick given by the 17th century historian Arild Huitfeldt.

[9]The land- og bylov (law of the land and the city) of OTL. The naming of the legal reforms in our time is a later invention as the laws were ritually burned by the rebels in 1523 and thus never came into effect. ITTL, this does not come to pass and as such, I’ve chosen the official term Rigslov: Law of the Realm.

[10]From the Dutch word Schout. Just another example of how Dutchophile Christian II was.

[11]Own translation

[12]Both dukes were the only regional allies of Frederick I during much of his OTL reign.

[13]The grey eminence behind the coalition which led the OTL rebellion. Nasty fellow.

[14]A quote OTL attributed to the king after his conquest of Stockholm. In reality, it’s more probable that it’s a later invention of anti-Christian chroniclers to justify Frederick’s rebellion as a form of self-defense.
 
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Poor Frederick definitely has a chip on his shoulder that’s for sure. Christian is going to have a fight on his hands that will hopefully pave over and further resistance.
 
So the course is largely the same as what Christian set IOTL, seeking to centralize and improve the lot of the peasants while favoring the Dutch as a tool for that, but with a number of differences. The war with Sweden was quicker, and drained less of the treasury. It's possible the Swedes will rise up again, but it is less likely after such a decisive defeat and Gustav Vasa no longer being alive. I'd also imagine around now that Christian has gotten Sten Sture's son and heir under his control by now. The more moderate course of Christian ITTL will also hopefully keep more moderate nobles on his side. One potential propaganda tool Christian might be able to use once the conspirators put forward Frederick as an anti-king is in regards to the Swedish succession. Christian basically made it so that only those descended from him are eligible to come to the Swedish throne by hereditary methods. If Sweden doesn't outright rebel, Christian could potentially pull those nobles who care more about maintaining the union to his side by claiming the rebellion is putting at risk all the effort and risk they endured to subdue Sweden.

As for the budding conflict itself. That Frederick was able to discreetly hire landsknechts and get them encamped outside Lubeck could make a major difference in the opening stages. In the war against Sweden, Christian relied on landsknechts as his own forces were insufficient. Lacking those here, and considering the concentration of Jutish nobility in this rebellion, I could see Christian potentially losing control of all Jutland for a time simply from lacking a sufficient force for campaigns there. If he does attack anywhere, it would probably have to be the far north. Borglum seems the natural choice for Christian to try and first capture and then hold as a beachhead for any counterattack.

It is probably at sea that the most fighting will occur, assuming Christian was able to keep hold of most of the royal navy. Unless the Little Belt froze around this time in winter, a Jutland army can't do much to the rest of Christian's realm as long as the Danish fleet isn't decisively defeated. So the Wendish Hanseatic cities will probably be enemy Christian can fight first, which is probably for the best. The Nordic Trading Company was always going to take trade from the Hansa, so winning its right to exist by force of arms is a good idea. With the Danish royal navy a separate fleet from the Nordic merchant navy, any Danish losses will hurt their trade less than Hansa losses will hurt the League's. Use the war as justification to close the Bergen Kontor, and overall do as much damage as possible. If the Union can decisively push back the Hansa naval forces and a beachhead is maintained at Borglum, Christian might be able to strike a blow by landing forces at Lubeck or in Holstein while the landsknecht are further north. Hit the heart of Schleswig-Holstein, and crush them from both the north and south. That might be too optimistic though.

As long as the Danish fleet holds though well enough to prevent the Jutish army from being ferried to Zealand, I don't see this war ending well for the conspirators. Even if they decisively take all of Jutland, that won't be enough. Frederick won't control enough to decisively claim the crown of Denmark, and with Christian being close to the Emperor he can't even try to declare full independence with his conquests and put himself under the weak suzerainty of the Empire. The entire plan is reliant on the hopes that a general Jutish uprising will inspire similar uprisings in Skaneland, Zealand, and preferably other parts of the realm. If that doesn't happen, or Christian manages to crush these more makeshift rebellions quickly, Frederick's plan is dead in the water. Christian maintains Zealand and Skaneland, alongside Norway and Sweden. Jutland will just become the new Sweden, the rebellious province that will gradually end up facing the concentrated forces of the rest. I could see Frederick holding all or almost all of Jutland for years, but don't see a true victory long term unless he takes Zealand, Sweden rebels again, and the League wins the naval conflict. None of those are impossible, but there are aspects working against them.

So I could see several important developments happening. While executing his uncle for treason might be too extreme, I could see Christian forcing Frederick to abdicate in favor of one of his sons. The Hansa will suffer greatly, losing access to Nordic markets and being forced to accept the existence of the Nordic Trading Company. Norse traders might even be able to gain control of the Russian trade. The Schelswig-Holstein estates will also along with the Hansa be the main losers. The Treaty of Ribe is new enough that Christian will probably be able to do what he wants after victory.

These are my uneducated thoughts though. Very much looking forward to how you will portray the conflict, since you have sources and an attention to detail I don't. Good luck.
 
Another great update and beautifully crafted map.
The set up for the conflict between Christian and his "evil" uncle is also very interesting, with both socioeconomical explanations and an entertaining amount of cloak and dagger narration.
 
First of all, thanks for all the replies! They're truly grist on my mill y'all.
Tomorrow marks the 1st anniversary of To be a Fox and a Lion. I'm hoping I might get a narrative chapter out for that, but RL continues to swallow up my time.

Anyways, stay tuned!

Poor Frederick definitely has a chip on his shoulder that’s for sure. Christian is going to have a fight on his hands that will hopefully pave over and further resistance.

Indeed, Frederick was a master in honing and harboring a grudge. If this threat is dealt with decisively, I think most anything is possible for a restored Nordic tripple monarchy. So let's hope everything goes smoothly.

So the course is largely the same as what Christian set IOTL, seeking to centralize and improve the lot of the peasants while favoring the Dutch as a tool for that, but with a number of differences. The war with Sweden was quicker, and drained less of the treasury. It's possible the Swedes will rise up again, but it is less likely after such a decisive defeat and Gustav Vasa no longer being alive. I'd also imagine around now that Christian has gotten Sten Sture's son and heir under his control by now. The more moderate course of Christian ITTL will also hopefully keep more moderate nobles on his side. One potential propaganda tool Christian might be able to use once the conspirators put forward Frederick as an anti-king is in regards to the Swedish succession. Christian basically made it so that only those descended from him are eligible to come to the Swedish throne by hereditary methods. If Sweden doesn't outright rebel, Christian could potentially pull those nobles who care more about maintaining the union to his side by claiming the rebellion is putting at risk all the effort and risk they endured to subdue Sweden.

You're right that Sweden might flare up in rebellion once again, if things go badly for the Danes. This was, after all, what happened in the 1501-12 war. However, the circumstances are quite different. The Sture Party is effectively broken as a political force with Lady Kristina exiled to Finland and her sons wards in Copenhagen castle. The danger, IMO, lies in the Peace Party seeking to undo the promises they made to Christian II in his accession charter.

As for the budding conflict itself. That Frederick was able to discreetly hire landsknechts and get them encamped outside Lubeck could make a major difference in the opening stages. In the war against Sweden, Christian relied on landsknechts as his own forces were insufficient. Lacking those here, and considering the concentration of Jutish nobility in this rebellion, I could see Christian potentially losing control of all Jutland for a time simply from lacking a sufficient force for campaigns there. If he does attack anywhere, it would probably have to be the far north. Borglum seems the natural choice for Christian to try and first capture and then hold as a beachhead for any counterattack.

Clarification: the Landsknechts are hired and paid for by Hansa coins. It's a small difference, but it could complicate things further on. The greatest issue for the rebels will be to secure as many of the royal castles as possible. This could be difficult, as many of the king's chief supporters serve as fief-holders at e.g. Skanderborg and Elbo castle. However, although some who in OTL supported Christian II also defected once they realised the king couldn't defeat the Jutish and Holstenian forces. Erik Eriksen Banner, fief-holder at Kaløhus (the most important fortress in eastern Jutland) is one such example. I don't think you're correct about Børglum though as a likely invasion point. I think rather, the king would attempt to knock out the Wendish Hansa in order to strangle the funding of his uncle and the high nobility. This was the strategy during the 1509 naval invasion of Travemünde (spearheaded by Søren Norby) as well as during the OTL's Count's Feud where Christian III forced Lübeck out of the war before turning his eyes on Scania and the isles.

It is probably at sea that the most fighting will occur, assuming Christian was able to keep hold of most of the royal navy. Unless the Little Belt froze around this time in winter, a Jutland army can't do much to the rest of Christian's realm as long as the Danish fleet isn't decisively defeated. So the Wendish Hanseatic cities will probably be enemy Christian can fight first, which is probably for the best. The Nordic Trading Company was always going to take trade from the Hansa, so winning its right to exist by force of arms is a good idea. With the Danish royal navy a separate fleet from the Nordic merchant navy, any Danish losses will hurt their trade less than Hansa losses will hurt the League's. Use the war as justification to close the Bergen Kontor, and overall do as much damage as possible. If the Union can decisively push back the Hansa naval forces and a beachhead is maintained at Borglum, Christian might be able to strike a blow by landing forces at Lubeck or in Holstein while the landsknecht are further north. Hit the heart of Schleswig-Holstein, and crush them from both the north and south. That might be too optimistic though.

The fact that the Belts froze during the Dano-Swedish War of 1657–58 was in and of itself something of a freak occurrence, IIRC. Furthermore, it's not really relevant since the confrontation is taking place around Easter 1522. May is coming and with it fair weather and good navigating conditions.

And as Niccolo Macchiavelli once wrote (and I paraphrase): "all unarmed prophets are defeated." I think it safe to say that although Christian might have decommissioned his main Landsknechts companies, he still commands a rather formidable navy. I think he'll put it to good use against the Hansa.

As long as the Danish fleet holds though well enough to prevent the Jutish army from being ferried to Zealand, I don't see this war ending well for the conspirators. Even if they decisively take all of Jutland, that won't be enough. Frederick won't control enough to decisively claim the crown of Denmark, and with Christian being close to the Emperor he can't even try to declare full independence with his conquests and put himself under the weak suzerainty of the Empire. The entire plan is reliant on the hopes that a general Jutish uprising will inspire similar uprisings in Skaneland, Zealand, and preferably other parts of the realm. If that doesn't happen, or Christian manages to crush these more makeshift rebellions quickly, Frederick's plan is dead in the water. Christian maintains Zealand and Skaneland, alongside Norway and Sweden. Jutland will just become the new Sweden, the rebellious province that will gradually end up facing the concentrated forces of the rest. I could see Frederick holding all or almost all of Jutland for years, but don't see a true victory long term unless he takes Zealand, Sweden rebels again, and the League wins the naval conflict. None of those are impossible, but there are aspects working against them.

Their main hope is to:

1) Strike quickly and decisively. Take as many castles as possible in Jutland.
2) Lure the king into an open battle on the Jutland peninsular and crush his forces together with the Holstenian army.
3) Although this might not per se mean that the Scanian and Funen nobility will turn their cloaks, it would shatter the crown's prestige and maybe entice new rebellions in Sweden.

Whether or not that happens, is a completely different matter.

So I could see several important developments happening. While executing his uncle for treason might be too extreme, I could see Christian forcing Frederick to abdicate in favor of one of his sons. The Hansa will suffer greatly, losing access to Nordic markets and being forced to accept the existence of the Nordic Trading Company. Norse traders might even be able to gain control of the Russian trade. The Schelswig-Holstein estates will also along with the Hansa be the main losers. The Treaty of Ribe is new enough that Christian will probably be able to do what he wants after victory.

These are my uneducated thoughts though. Very much looking forward to how you will portray the conflict, since you have sources and an attention to detail I don't. Good luck.

Some very astute observations! The possibilities are, if not endless, then very varied! Frederick did not kill Christian in OTL when he captured him in Norway, but he was still the brother in law of the emperor at that point.

Another great update and beautifully crafted map.
The set up for the conflict between Christian and his "evil" uncle is also very interesting, with both socioeconomical explanations and an entertaining amount of cloak and dagger narration.

Thank you! I really enjoyed writing about the skulduggery of the Gottorpian court. Although I originally set out with the idea to counter the (rather old anyways) idea of the good Christian versus the evil Frederick. However, I must confess that I’ve might be a bit tendentious in my portrayal of the former. But come on, the king's uncle does look a bit like a vampire, doesn’t he!
 
I love this as well. On the side will the Scandinavian countries have higher populations in this TL?

Too early to say. If the peace between the three realms holds, then we might a surge population-wise, but the Scandinavian climate at this point was not geared to foster a large population, IIRC.
 
That’s where the new world comes in :p

This.
With a united Scandinavian realm there will be less revolts overall and the damages from famines will be somewhat mitigated by the combined resources of Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland being used to deal with them instead of just one country. This will cause Scandinavia's population to grow more than OTL but like Milites pointed out, Scandinavia doesn't have a high population limit and that won't change until industrialization and better agriculture develops. So much of the excess population will end up going to the new world (both voluntarily or involuntarily), which will have the benefits of both helping Scandinavia colonize and increasing stability at home.

I see that that Denmark got a lot of northern Germany from the HRE including big cities like Hamburg and Lubeck. How will the increased German population affect Danish and Scandinavian language and culture assuming they are able to keep their gains long term? I can't see the German language overtaking Danish or a united Norse language but I could see some German words added to it. Ironically German may have a bigger impact in the new world because if the Germans get uppity the Danes could send the troublemakers to their colonies where the Germans end up assimilating but not before their language and culture adds to the Danish/united Norse language and culture that develops there.
 
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