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[ y ] Disaster recovery plan (y/n)
Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jan 12, 2021 |
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Jan 12, 2021 17:05
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Raerlynn posted:When somebody says "Disaster recovery", the correct answer is, "What's the scenario? A data center destroyed? Cyber security attack? Network backbones down? Power failure for over multiple days?" I used to use this metaphor: "An accident" Did I dribble a bit on my undies? Piss down my khakis? Did I just get a turtle head poking out and I can just toss my drawers in the trash? Did I have an explosive poo poo that ran down my leg and ruined my socks as well?
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Jan 12, 2021 17:12
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Jan 12, 2021 17:12
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the disaster you should be planning for is "administrator decides to burn bridges", anything else can be answered by "if this happens people are gonna care more about their personal safety than the company's profits"
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Jan 12, 2021 17:16
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Our disaster recovery plan is "data integrity is the user's problem, gently caress off" and it's pretty glorious. If a machine gets a coffee spilled on it we find a replacement server, swap hostnames, and reinstall. But the environment here isn't very typical, it's not like there's a big central data repo with a bunch of company secrets or user data. There is a tape backup group that helps users back their stuff up, but it's so far away from me on the org chart it effectively doesn't exist.
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Jan 12, 2021 17:20
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If you don�t have all your poo poo in your OneDrive folder here, tough.
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Jan 12, 2021 17:31
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Realistically there is a big difference between �disaster recovery� and �business continuity � and if you�re not planning for specific scenarios that account for both, and then testing those plans, you�re probably ok with just making sure veam is working and doing test restores occasionally.
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Jan 12, 2021 17:39
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Jeoh posted:the disaster you should be planning for is "administrator decides to burn bridges", anything else can be answered by "if this happens people are gonna care more about their personal safety than the company's profits" How is your global pandemic going?
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Jan 12, 2021 17:40
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We had a client this summer that was near a wildfire and you can be sure a DR plan was in effect because while their employees were already working from home (or a safe location if their home was too close to the wildfire) the office with the servers was at risk of burning down. They could have kept going even if that happened, and everyone would still have been safe.
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Jan 12, 2021 18:27
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The Fool posted:Realistically there is a big difference between �disaster recovery� and �business continuity � and if you�re not planning for specific scenarios that account for both, and then testing those plans, you�re probably ok with just making sure veam is working and doing test restores occasionally. Because my employer is engaged in things like raising a billion dollars at a time our investors have become increasingly stringent about their due diligence surveys. I had to create a primer for my first boss to explain the difference between DRP and BCP and the essential elements, because she wanted me to lie on the survey that we had these things when we did not. It's been funny to see how year by year the company is slowly being compelled to do the things I've spent years advocating.
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Jan 12, 2021 18:47
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The Fool posted:Realistically there is a big difference between �disaster recovery� and �business continuity � and if you�re not planning for specific scenarios that account for both, and then testing those plans, you�re probably ok with just making sure veam is working and doing test restores occasionally. And also, business continuity is not just an IT problem. We've had customers ask us what our BCP is for them, and we sort of stare back. Like, it's not our job to figure out what you do if your building gets flooded.
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Jan 12, 2021 21:20
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This person has been with our company 35 years and has been told multiple times to loving not do this. We have onedrive, has attended a class on it, and they have a tb hd. Non company owned external drives are explicitly spelled out as a no go in our policies. quote:
Also pissing me off. loving dell again. Also pissing me off - some loving moron eating lunch at a table on a main thrufair in the machine shop. GO TO A CONFERENCE ROOM DIPSHIT. CLOSE THE DOOR. OPEN YOUR GAPING COVID MAW AWAY FROM ME AND EVERYONE ELSE. also pissing me off. "Hey is IT busy?" YES IM SO loving BUSY ALL THE GOD drat TIME I CANT KEEP UP.
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Jan 12, 2021 23:38
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Thanks Ants posted:And also, business continuity is not just an IT problem. We've had customers ask us what our BCP is for them, and we sort of stare back. Like, it's not our job to figure out what you do if your building gets flooded. I'd think it's an IT problem to the extent that you provide the leadership with an outline of the data they'll have access to and how fast, in the case the building gets flooded. But that's a pre-planning involvement. Disclaimer: I'm dev, not IT, so just guessing.
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Jan 12, 2021 23:47
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Che Delilas posted:I'd think it's an IT problem to the extent that you provide the leadership with an outline of the data they'll have access to and how fast, in the case the building gets flooded. But that's a pre-planning involvement. IT is involved for sure, but they should not be the ones leading it and are not the only pillar of it. We often are, because no one else has the capacity to to think logically about complex systems, but it shouldn't be. Same with security.
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Jan 13, 2021 00:07
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Related to someone I�ve mentioned recently, the weasel shitbag has had his fifth different official title in about the last 10 months. If this title doesn�t check all the boxes of a bunch of MBA�s having an orgy on a table covered in buzzwords drawn out in cocaine, I don�t know that does. �Enterprise Citizen Engagement Implementation Manager�
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Jan 13, 2021 00:48
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One place I was at had a very good thorough policy in place for business continuity from the IT side of things. Essentially would be able get all news PCs and servers setup in a new location ready for action within about 24 hours. The location and services for the location were left with facilities etc. But I think the gist of their plan was �Eh I am sure we will muddle something out� I think it was the same for other business units as well.
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Jan 13, 2021 00:49
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Farking Bastage posted:Related to someone I�ve mentioned recently, the weasel shitbag has had his fifth different official title in about the last 10 months. If this title doesn�t check all the boxes of a bunch of MBA�s having an orgy on a table covered in buzzwords drawn out in cocaine, I don�t know that does. Oh, so he's this guy; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo
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Jan 13, 2021 02:46
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I do a lot of DR planning, I do systems design and solutions architecture and whenever I get a request for DR, I go to ask the customer to list the failures they expect to recover from and they look at me like I'm speaking Latin. "Uh...disasters..." And then when I list all the plans and how to manage each one, data loss, server loss, hardware outage, site loss, etc they decide they don't want to pay anyways.
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Jan 13, 2021 02:56
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"Well you see... if you had a Ferrari you wouldn't have a spare Ferrari in-case of emergencies. You'd get a Toyota."
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Jan 13, 2021 04:41
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I got an email from my Director last week with what I thought was the BCP planning schedule and she just sent it to me, I don't think there was a message so I took it be the usual 'I'm letting you know because you will be doing this' sort of email. Normally it's just a tabletop exercise where we kinda just talk it through. I was in a meeting with the CIO and InfoSec Manager yesterday, they told me (unprompted) that is the schedule for when we actually turn off our main sql server and get the business to work through how they keep things going, we will be there to support and not lead which will be nice... apparently the CEO is on board with this happening. It will be glorious... our CIO was quite excited, sounds cool. My usual response to BCP questions is "ok so you are telling me IT is down and we need to do BCP - let's think it through, I'll be in the server room fixing poo poo, what will you be doing?" and that usually gets the response I'm looking for.
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Jan 13, 2021 10:10
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Internet Explorer posted:"Well you see... if you had a Ferrari you wouldn't have a spare Ferrari in-case of emergencies. You'd get a Toyota." When I used to do a lot of DR planning and have meetings, I'd jokingly say "if I get hit by a bus..." After a few months, I got pulled aside by HR and asked to stop using violent scenarios. But the problem is that HR doesn't realize that IT guys getting hit busses is a standard DR best practice.
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Jan 13, 2021 16:21
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Imagine a scenario where someone broke into my house and killed me. They set my house on fire and the killer was smart enough to dispose of any evidence, so no one was sure if I was actually dead or it was an insurance thing. What would you do then?
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Jan 13, 2021 16:24
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Jerk McJerkface posted:When I used to do a lot of DR planning and have meetings, I'd jokingly say "if I get hit by a bus..." Would you intentionally be walking in front of this bus? Or wait is the joke that your city has terrible public transportation and there aren't even any buses to get hit by?
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Jan 13, 2021 16:29
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If I get hit by a bus no one else on the team can maintain my Clojure codebase
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Jan 13, 2021 16:31
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Jerk McJerkface posted:When I used to do a lot of DR planning and have meetings, I'd jokingly say "if I get hit by a bus..." Yup. So now I joke "hit by a bus / win the lotto." Building is "explodes / building wins the lotto." I like it. I think it helps illustrate that there are different types of businesses continuity issues.
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Jan 13, 2021 16:31
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The Fool posted:Realistically there is a big difference between �disaster recovery� and �business continuity � and if you�re not planning for specific scenarios that account for both, and then testing those plans, you�re probably ok with just making sure veam is working and doing test restores occasionally. BCP pro-tip. One of the very first things you need up and running at the recovery site is Shipping & Receiving. Someone has to receive all the new kit.
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Jan 13, 2021 16:36
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mllaneza posted:BCP pro-tip. One of the very first things you need up and running at the recovery site is Shipping & Receiving. Someone has to receive all the new kit. Related, since covid wfh, the only people that go in to the office every day at old job is facilities so that they can receive packages.
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Jan 13, 2021 16:38
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Bob Morales posted:Would you intentionally be walking in front of this bus? Come on Bob. Being "hit by a bus" is an extremely common statement of risk, almost to the point being clich�, in fact it even has a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
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Jan 13, 2021 17:33
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One job I had literally called it "drop dead project management" aka document everything so well that if you drop dead tomorrow someone can figure out everything. I also had someone call me out for being morbid at a later job when I kept using the term.
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Jan 13, 2021 17:36
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Jerk McJerkface posted:Come on Bob. Being "hit by a bus" is an extremely common statement of risk, almost to the point being clich�, in fact it even has a Wikipedia page: Come on Jerk, the 'intentionally walking in front of the bus' would mean killing himself because he hates the job or his life because of the job, not being accidentally hit by a bus.
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Jan 13, 2021 17:55
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Were they hit by the bus or thrown under it? 
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Jan 13, 2021 18:27
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At a previous job someone referred to it as getting hit by a turnip truck.
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Jan 13, 2021 19:18
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Dick Trauma posted:Were they hit by the bus or thrown under it? I work with mass transit systems - if some suit told us to stop using the term "getting hit by a bus", we'd probably make sure he got hit by one (figuratively) at the earliest possible opportunity 
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Jan 13, 2021 19:32
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Dick Trauma posted:Were they hit by the bus or thrown under it? Thrown under is a daily occurrence for IT.
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Jan 13, 2021 19:36
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We stopped using hit by a bus after a previous manager had a head on collision with a semi truck.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:35
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CitizenKain posted:We stopped using hit by a bus after a previous manager had a head on collision with a semi truck. So you started using �hit by a semi-truck�?
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Jan 13, 2021 22:46
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The Fool posted:So you started using �hit by a semi-truck�? What about 'pulling a Clark Griswald'? That's when you go under the semi-truck but come out the other side unscathed.
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Jan 13, 2021 22:50
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This whole convo just reminded me that I used to work for the local government bus agency and our network guy was walking across the street between buildings and literally got hit by a bus (he jumped the walk signal and the driver just didnt see him) He was fine. Said his shoulder was sore for a while.
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Jan 13, 2021 23:10
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silicone thrills posted:This whole convo just reminded me that I used to work for the local government bus agency and our network guy was walking across the street between buildings and literally got hit by a bus (he jumped the walk signal and the driver just didnt see him) He was fine. Said his shoulder was sore for a while. Was his name some variation of Clark Kent?
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Jan 13, 2021 23:30
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My boss is supposed to be on call, but he's on vacation, so someone else took the on call. He probably either didn't let the helpdesk service know, or the user called him directly. So he calls me (instead of the person who is on call) Someone in accounting lost the '20 PYRL' folder. Who knows what the gently caress happened to it but it was just a restore from a volume shadow copy and they can re-do their last 3 hours of work. If it weren't a Wednesday, and it wasn't payroll, I wouldn't have even took the call. This was at 7:30, I'm working 9-11 tonight anyway, but still. Once these Citrix servers update I'm going to bed.
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Jan 14, 2021 03:44
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