Grosvenor Family Tea?

randonumbers · Jul 22, 2021

Rae said:
Only the Maquise title will go to a distant cousin. The money will stay in the family. No more dukedom nor earldom, though.

That's even worse. He should def. look into marrying soon.

Also, Hugh and family aren't frugal. They have their own private jet which they lent out to Will and Kate for their holidays. The royals stay close to the Grosvs because of all these perks.

And no offense to the Gros sisters but they are bigger girls, and white people fashion is not for bigger girls; so that's why they aren't into it.

I think all these aristo heirs should marry smart business women. Running these estates requires brains. Most of these countesses/duchesses of the previous generation never had a real job and probably didn't even know how to read an income statement, much less create one.

plumberry88 · Jul 22, 2021

Malisha said:
Love your thoughts, Rae and plumberry88.

Trusts are good for these families for a lot of reasons. In many cases, like with the Rothschilds and many other old money families, you can't really tell how much they own anymore bcs of these structures and that's very much the way they want it. People who inherited their wealth are not seen very favourably by the public today so it's prob better for them to keep a low profile and keep their children safe instead of flaunting their wealth even more.

There was an interview with the 6th Duke where he said, when asked if he could sell everything he had inherited, that technically he still could if he wanted to. So that's still possible and I think I read somewhere that the Abbeystead estate (I think, not sure) was bought by a a trust on behalf of the 6th Duke. So that's another way to do things.They also own two private jets and probably much more. That's hardly cash poor. A lot of it is still from the 6th Duke's time so it will be interesting to see what his son will do in the future.

Re the football club: That's what I thought at first - football clubs with foreign owners/shareholders are totally common today. But nothing about that acc makes any real sense and some quick google searches reveal that there's zero evdence the people they name as coaches or managers even know about their new position, let alone the players (a wild mix of Arab and Scandinavian names). Interviews and websites which don't seem to exist. I have no idea who sets up that kind of account and why.

And although it maybe looks that way to people who follow Hugh very closely in the media, for someone who doesn't there's actually not that much about his private life, apart from a lot of recycled stuff about his father's death in 2016, a holiday or two with his mother and a handful of stories where someone a bit closer to him must have told the DM about his (ex-)gfs (which were then published everywhere). Everything else is about his charity work, the DNRC or he's just mentioned briefly (as an example for avoiding inheritance tax or something like that). He gets more attention than many other aristos, yes, but it's not as if he's papped every day like many successful actors or royalty are. He keeps under the radar but after Harry and Meg's wedding and turning 30 this year they got more and more interested in him. (I allways love when papers like the DM are waiting for a big announcement and wedding and then people just turn up with a wife or husband they married in secret, like his sister Edwina did.)

What's really interesting: They basically got the Dukedom bcs they were rich landlords and nothing much has happened since then. The 2nd Duke was the most interesting imho but maybe also very unhappy in his way. All the other current Dukes (and most Earls, Viscounts, ...) have much more illustrious family histories than the Grosvenors. Hugh seems to focus on charity work right now. G Percy and a lot of others are setting up their own businesses or have regular careers in the city.

(If anyone isn't just interested in news about Hugh but shares my interest in how European and especially British royalty and aristocrats are living today in general, I think https://www.duchessthepodcast.com/ is very interesting, especially the one with the Countess of Devon. I could even sympathise with Emma Manners after hearing it, though I never liked her much before. I was surprised by the idea that most of the women, even the younger ones who were asked, said they were basically left to figure it out alone after their husbands succeded and became Earls, Dukes, whatever and how they were totally lost and overwhelmed by the changes for a while, just like Emma herself. G Percy's mother was also very unhappy when she became Duchess, that's why she started her garden projects at Alnwick.)

Oh I should listen this sometime. I wanna hear from them. Also, don't the Grosvenor go back all the way from the William the Conqueror?

plumberry88 · Jul 22, 2021

randonumbers said:
That's even worse. He should def. look into marrying soon.

Also, Hugh and family aren't frugal. They have their own private jet which they lent out to Will and Kate for their holidays. The royals stay close to the Grosvs because of all these perks.

And no offense to the Gros sisters but they are bigger girls, and white people fashion is not for bigger girls; so that's why they aren't into it.

I think all these aristo heirs should marry smart business women. Running these estates requires brains. Most of these countesses/duchesses of the previous generation never had a real job and probably didn't even know how to read an income statement, much less create one.

Sure he has the whole problem about heirs. But he should not marry just for it. Just imagine another divorce story if he picked a wrong one. Anyway, some people are already lobbying to have women inherit so you'll never know. If that happens then he wont have much of a problem. He has his sisters and their children.

About his sisters, actually they have the height to be a model. They're pretty as well. They have the same body type as Kitty Spencer but have better heights. I just don't see them making an effort to "slim down" like Kitty. I think they're pretty comfortable with their bodies. Maybe they are not much interested in fashion stuff? Also they can always have custom made stuff so but they dont seem to bother with high fashion.

Yes I agree that aristos should marry women/men who are into business or understand finances. In asian countries, aside from good values and upbringing, there's always a preference for women or men who have potentials and has credentials/are accomplished if you are marrying into a prestigious rich family. That's why it baffles me a lot that it's not the standard in Euro rich families.

pet · Jul 23, 2021

plumberry88 said:
Sure he has the whole problem about heirs. But he should not marry just for it. Just imagine another divorce story if he picked a wrong one. Anyway, some people are already lobbying to have women inherit so you'll never know. If that happens then he wont have much of a problem. He has his sisters and their children.

About his sisters, actually they have the height to be a model. They're pretty as well. They have the same body type as Kitty Spencer but have better heights. I just don't see them making an effort to "slim down" like Kitty. I think they're pretty comfortable with their bodies. Maybe they are not much interested in fashion stuff? Also they can always have custom made stuff so but they dont seem to bother with high fashion.

Yes I agree that aristos should marry women/men who are into business or understand finances. In asian countries, aside from good values and upbringing, there's always a preference for women or men who have potentials and has credentials/are accomplished if you are marrying into a prestigious rich family. That's why it baffles me a lot that it's not the standard in Euro rich families.

I wouldn’t put too much praise on Asians, they stay having a wife for looks and a side chick on the side! A lot of the females there are taught to marry up without the credentials (basically taught to finesse). One of the richest women in Asia literally started as a airline hostess, married a millionaire, started her own business and divorced him.

The problem with these aristo families is that they marry thier in kind way too much! That is why I actually don’t hate Camilla or Kate Middleton! For Charles specifically, let’s be honest him and Diana were never gonna work out and they BOTH looked miserable together! But aristo families stay forcing their kids to marry within thier aristo circles to keep the money together. That’s why you always see so and so dating so so ex or finding out that so and so is actually related to you! Aristo families are gonna die ou if they keep this up. William and Harry did good to marry out the aristo circles. I hope Hugh does the same.

plumberry88 · Jul 23, 2021

pet said:
I wouldn’t put too much praise on Asians, they stay having a wife for looks and a side chick on the side! A lot of the females there are taught to marry up without the credentials (basically taught to finesse). One of the richest women in Asia literally started as a airline hostess, married a millionaire, started her own business and divorced him.

The problem with these aristo families is that they marry thier in kind way too much! That is why I actually don’t hate Camilla or Kate Middleton! For Charles specifically, let’s be honest him and Diana were never gonna work out and they BOTH looked miserable together! But aristo families stay forcing their kids to marry within thier aristo circles to keep the money together. That’s why you always see so and so dating so so ex or finding out that so and so is actually related to you! Aristo families are gonna die ou if they keep this up. William and Harry did good to marry out the aristo circles. I hope Hugh does the same.

oh which asian girl? wendy? some have similar pattern like euro rich who marry pretty girls. I feel like many of them are tiger moms in asia and asia is huge so there are many cultures those are hindrances if someone wants to marry just pretty girls/guys who would go to divorce them.

randonumbers · Jul 23, 2021

pet said:
I wouldn’t put too much praise on Asians, they stay having a wife for looks and a side chick on the side! A lot of the females there are taught to marry up without the credentials (basically taught to finesse). One of the richest women in Asia literally started as a airline hostess, married a millionaire, started her own business and divorced him.

The problem with these aristo families is that they marry thier in kind way too much! That is why I actually don’t hate Camilla or Kate Middleton! For Charles specifically, let’s be honest him and Diana were never gonna work out and they BOTH looked miserable together! But aristo families stay forcing their kids to marry within thier aristo circles to keep the money together. That’s why you always see so and so dating so so ex or finding out that so and so is actually related to you! Aristo families are gonna die ou if they keep this up. William and Harry did good to marry out the aristo circles. I hope Hugh does the same.

Starting as a flight attendant and being able to start her own business is impressive though, assuming it was a real business and not a vanity business. Also, if she planned her come up on her own, that still takes more brains that what Kate M, did which was listen to her mummy Carole Jenner.

I don't think most of think most of these British women who married aristos or royals could start a business on their own. All the businesses they do start fall apart and end up as money pits.

These English Upper Class people didn't have to be smart to get a foot in the door. They got opportunities cuz they were posh and white. There was a saying FILTH - Fail in London; Try Hongkong. They'd get amazing jobs in HK, Africa, Middle East, just b/c they are white. James Middleton did the same sh!t too.

Pippa's husband didn't even go to uni, and somehow he's a multi-millionaire hedge fund guy. And he's not even posh. Hugh Van Cutsem also, has a job in finance but what the hell did he study in school? Working class and BAME need to actually study finance, economics, math to get these jobs.

And the posh women all get jobs in publishing/entertainment. They work for Vogue and Tatler -- like Alice Naylor whatever. Basically all handed to them because of their backgrounds.

I think Asians know they actually have to work, because most of Asia was pretty poor until the last 40years or so. Different mindset.

Malisha · Jul 23, 2021

plumberry88 · Jul 23, 2021

great insights all around! Amazing how we can have discussion regarding the culture among aristos and the possibility of those outside their set.

I agree it's a different mindset for Asians where education, career and family beliefs matter a lot, due to socio-economic and culture differences. It's the same I suppose for latin, black and POC communities. And it is noticeable too that most of the aristo set gets to be handed with jobs. Some actually work for it and the 6th Duke was a good example. But some it's just some privilege, and one that they didnt care to work on making themselves deserving.

How much of a deal do one has to give up when marrying an aristo who is bound to inherit an estate (men/women aristo)? I'd take that it's much easier compared to marrying in the royal family.

Rae · Jul 23, 2021

Malisha said:
Trusts are good for these families for a lot of reasons. In many cases, like with the Rothschilds and many other old money families, you can't really tell how much they own anymore bcs of these structures and that's very much the way they want it. People who inherited their wealth are not seen very favourably by the public today so it's prob better for them to keep a low profile and keep their children safe instead of flaunting their wealth even more.

I thought that whether the money was in trust or not, the wealth was gonna be private. I thought the main appeal of the trust was to avoid the money being lost by the inheritance tax and in a divorce.
Hugh gets so much hate for not having to pay inheritance tax. The gag is, they bring up the NHS but I'm pretty sure that even if he would have paid his tax, Tories wouldn't have done sh#t for the NHS. ~~A GB under a Republic wouldn't have solve their problems either since it's will always be about the political will but that's another topic an not my country so I'm just watching from the side lol.~~

I think the only people who keep a high profile are the people whose businesses would bebenfit from it like Musk, Branson, etc.

There was an interview with the 6th Duke where he said, when asked if he could sell everything he had inherited, that technically he still could if he wanted to. So that's still possible and I think I read somewhere that the Abbeystead estate (I think, not sure) was bought by a a trust on behalf of the 6th Duke. So that's another way to do things.They also own two private jets and probably much more. That's hardly cash poor. A lot of it is still from the 6th Duke's time so it will be interesting to see what his son will do in the future.

This trust thing is really an excuse lol

And although it maybe looks that way to people who follow Hugh very closely in the media, for someone who doesn't there's actually not that much about his private life, apart from a lot of recycled stuff about his father's death in 2016, a holiday or two with his mother and a handful of stories where someone a bit closer to him must have told the DM about his (ex-)gfs (which were then published everywhere). Everything else is about his charity work, the DNRC or he's just mentioned briefly (as an example for avoiding inheritance tax or something like that). He gets more attention than many other aristos, yes, but it's not as if he's papped every day like many successful actors or royalty are. He keeps under the radar but after Harry and Meg's wedding and turning 30 this year they got more and more interested in him. (I allways love when papers like the DM are waiting for a big announcement and wedding and then people just turn up with a wife or husband they married in secret, like his sister Edwina did.)

Honestly, even for people who follow Hugh closely it is very dry. I think that now that he is the duke, we'll see once a year for Poppy Day and that's the only event we'll seem him for sure. I don't think I've ever seen a pap pic of him in London. When he was papped, it was in Portofino and another time in Spain but he was with the Princes.

randonumbers said:
That's even worse. He should def. look into marrying soon.

I think he needs to wait for the one because he can't marry anyone with his type of wealth. Plus, even if he marries, nothing is guaranteed he'll have a son. For his and his wife's sake I hope he will cause there were a lot of pressure and blame put on the women who didn't produce an heir when they were the last branch.
His cousin Charles and George are lucky in that if they aren't married, the line is still intact since they have brothers.

Also, Hugh and family aren't frugal. They have their own private jet which they lent out to Will and Kate for their holidays. The royals stay close to the Grosvs because of all these perks.

That's what I'm saying!
A lot of people call old money people frugal just because they aren't flashy like the Nouveau Rich but imo they spend more on things the common people don't know about. They just seem to spend less because their styles are bland and because they have places all over the globes or know people in these place they wanna vacation.
IIRC, Hugh also likes nice watches.

And no offense to the Gros sisters but they are bigger girls, and white people fashion is not for bigger girls; so that's why they aren't into it.

You can be big and big into fashion. Plus, they're wealthy, a seamstress and having things custom made shouldn't have been a problem. If folks with less money than them can, so could they.
Also, their sizes (even after Ed lost weight) aren't the type that are difficult to find at stores. I really think they aren't into fashion period.

I think all these aristo heirs should marry smart business women. Running these estates requires brains. Most of these countesses/duchesses of the previous generation never had a real job and probably didn't even know how to read an income statement, much less create one.

I agree!

plumberry88 said:
About his sisters, actually they have the height to be a model. They're pretty as well. They have the same body type as Kitty Spencer but have better heights. I just don't see them making an effort to "slim down" like Kitty. I think they're pretty comfortable with their bodies. Maybe they are not much interested in fashion stuff? Also they can always have custom made stuff so but they dont seem to bother with high fashion.

Kitty lost weight too and that was to become a socialite. She wasn't big but she was skinny fat iirc.

Yes I agree that aristos should marry women/men who are into business or understand finances. In asian countries, aside from good values and upbringing, there's always a preference for women or men who have potentials and has credentials/are accomplished if you are marrying into a prestigious rich family. That's why it baffles me a lot that it's not the standard in Euro rich families.

Same in some African countries. It's starting to pick in the US now. The trophy wife (in some rich environments) aren't always the prettiest, but is very accomplished in a hard degree from a very good university. More points if they are from a very family.

pet said:
The problem with these aristo families is that they marry thier in kind way too much! That is why I actually don’t hate Camilla or Kate Middleton! For Charles specifically, let’s be honest him and Diana were never gonna work out and they BOTH looked miserable together! But aristo families stay forcing their kids to marry within thier aristo circles to keep the money together. That’s why you always see so and so dating so so ex or finding out that so and so is actually related to you! Aristo families are gonna die ou if they keep this up. William and Harry did good to marry out the aristo circles. I hope Hugh does the same.

Camilla? As in Camilla PB? Homegirl grew up in their world IIRC. She was with the aristos an upper-class since childhood.

I also think the problem is that these aristo girls aren't pushed towards hard degrees and taught how to run a business if they don't want to graduate in STEM or Finance, Business, Accounting, etc. They also don't have the example at home since their mom (and dad sometimes) didn't go to school beyond high school.

I think some of it is forced and other is just a case of what is around you. They'll only consider marrying rich folks from other backgrounds or those who are thirsty for clout when they need the money like the Bransons for instance. It was known he was thristy for an affiliation with the royals and aristos. Richard's son Sam married a Lady but it's obvious the family is cash poor and that's the only reason they gave Sam the time of the day when the Branson were known for years as try hard and thirsty for blue blood clout in their circle.

Hugh is mostly likely to do the same since he has friends who aren't from the upper-class thanks to his schooling.

randonumbers said:
These English Upper Class people didn't have to be smart to get a foot in the door. They got opportunities cuz they were posh and white. There was a saying FILTH - Fail in London; Try Hongkong. They'd get amazing jobs in HK, Africa, Middle East, just b/c they are white. James Middleton did the same sh!t too.

Mama Carole is clearly the only one with the a brain in the family and it's only working for her daughters to marry well but not her business lol
The fact that James is being given that much chances is insane. I know sometimes it takes a lot of failure before taking off but I feel he doesn't have what it takes to be an entrepreneur.

Pippa's husband didn't even go to uni, and somehow he's a multi-millionaire hedge fund guy. And he's not even posh. Hugh Van Cutsem also, has a job in finance but what the hell did he study in school? Working class and BAME need to actually study finance, economics, math to get these jobs.

None of them need to graduate in the field they work in. Especially finance. They be having Litt degrees, but work in Finance. Make it make sense! Ed Downpatrick fits the case too. The excuse is that these people with non finance degrees think differently so it's a bonus to have them. Yeah right!

And the posh women all get jobs in publishing/entertainment. They work for Vogue and Tatler -- like Alice Naylor whatever. Basically all handed to them because of their backgrounds.

And that is exactly why they're able to push their friends products, brands, businesses. That's how Cara Dlvigne got her start: because she had all the people that matter in the right places to push for her career.
Hugh VCutsem's wife also work for a magazine.

Malisha said:
A lot of the more private aristos do marry women who had a career before, we just don't hear that much about them. One of the women in the podcasts basically says that for the men if they can't marry a rich woman they at least choose one who's good at making them money (something along those lines). The men you see who are marrying the semi-successful instagram influencer party type from their set are usually the ones who like to be in the spotlight.

It was bound to happen since women been having their own careers for a few decades now. They do need to focus on if the woman is business smart because wanting to marry an aristo just because you want to keep your line blue and don't want to be taken advantaged off can turn against you. Plus, some of these aristo girls can also be gold diggers. Especially the ones who are cash poor or the ones who are low on the aristocratic ladder or the ones who just want attention.
Like Rose Hanbury and her sister were known upper-class gold diggers who made sure to marry for titles. They're actually the aristocratic version of the Middleton sisters

And keep in mind that marrying into this world, taking care of an estate all while having young children and so on can't be done "on the side", at least not for long. The same goes for the men, they often (have to) give up their regular jobs. So if she's a very successful career type who loves to live in the middle of London, New York or wherever and wants to be CEO of her own company one day, it's very unlikely she'll give all that up for love, do local charity, have five children bcs he needs an heir and take care of her husband's estate which she can lose in an instant if he ever decides he's had enough of her.

I think they can hire people who can run the business but yeah, if it's a huge estate (or huge estates in Hugh's case), it can be difficult to juggle a very demanding career and an estate if one wants to run both things.

MarryMePls · Jul 23, 2021

plumberry88 said:
Sure he has the whole problem about heirs. But he should not marry just for it. Just imagine another divorce story if he picked a wrong one. Anyway, some people are already lobbying to have women inherit so you'll never know. If that happens then he wont have much of a problem. He has his sisters and their children.

About his sisters, actually they have the height to be a model. They're pretty as well. They have the same body type as Kitty Spencer but have better heights. I just don't see them making an effort to "slim down" like Kitty. I think they're pretty comfortable with their bodies. Maybe they are not much interested in fashion stuff? Also they can always have custom made stuff so but they dont seem to bother with high fashion.

Yes I agree that aristos should marry women/men who are into business or understand finances. In asian countries, aside from good values and upbringing, there's always a preference for women or men who have potentials and has credentials/are accomplished if you are marrying into a prestigious rich family. That's why it baffles me a lot that it's not the standard in Euro rich families.

modeling is just high level prostitution ring so why do it if they’re not hurting for money?

kazzap · Jul 23, 2021

What’s people’s options about the spencer girls ? They are beautiful but seem to be attention seekers . Really hope Hugh stays clear of them but I’m sure his mothers close to spencer family.

plumberry88 · Jul 23, 2021

CP OF JORDAN said:
modeling is just high level prostitution ring so why do it if they’re not hurting for money?

nah just trying to say that the grosvenor girls doesnt mind their bodies and they are fine with their fashion choices. i forgot the who posted but it has something with them not having the size for high fashion. sorry i guess how i answered came out wrong...

plumberry88 · Jul 23, 2021

kazzap said:
What’s people’s options about the spencer girls ? They are beautiful but seem to be attention seekers . Really hope Hugh stays clear of them but I’m sure his mothers close to spencer family.

kitty seems like same age as hugh. they seem to be better than the manner girls. what is off to me is kitty dating the guy as old as her dad. i dont mind age gaps but if it is too far of a gap, that the partner is as old as your parent then i find it questionable.

Rae · Jul 23, 2021

kazzap said:
What’s people’s options about the spencer girls ? They are beautiful but seem to be attention seekers . Really hope Hugh stays clear of them but I’m sure his mothers close to spencer family.

IMHO, I don't think they're that attention seeking besides being the normal socialites who want to raise their profile in order to get money but nothing trashy and desperate like the other aristo girls. Especially Kitty since she seems to be the one into turning her pedigree into more money.
They also don't seem to milk over too much their association with the Princes/Diana. It seems it's the press who was obsessed with comparing any Spencer with blond hair to Diana, saying they were her twins when it was obvious they don't look like her at all.

Hugh and Kitty used to follow each other actually. I think Kitty still follows him.

kazzap · Jul 23, 2021

plumberry88 said:
kitty seems like same age as hugh. they seem to be better than the manner girls. what is off to me is kitty dating the guy as old as her dad. i dont mind age gaps but if it is too far of a gap, that the partner is

randonumbers · Jul 23, 2021

kazzap said:
What’s people’s options about the spencer girls ? They are beautiful but seem to be attention seekers . Really hope Hugh stays clear of them but I’m sure his mothers close to spencer family.

They seemed to have figured out that they will make more money milking their heritage than actually working. Kitty is marrying for money, mostly. (Dude also has the SA connection). The other two are marrying for love but they moved to the UK because more money to be made there.

Overall, though, I don't mind them. They seem all right. I think they have more of a sense of the world, growing up in SA. I think one of them dated a black man, so presumably less racist than other aristos. Kitty is good friends with Emma Weymouth too.

Rae said:
I think he needs to wait for the one because he can't marry anyone with his type of wealth. Plus, even if he marries, nothing is guaranteed he'll have a son. For his and his wife's sake I hope he will cause there were a lot of pressure and blame put on the women who didn't produce an heir when they were the last branch.
His cousin Charles and George are lucky in that if they aren't married, the line is still intact since they have brothers.

I think some of it is forced and other is just a case of what is around you. They'll only consider marrying rich folks from other backgrounds or those who are thirsty for clout when they need the money like the Bransons for instance. It was known he was thristy for an affiliation with the royals and aristos. Richard's son Sam married a Lady but it's obvious the family is cash poor and that's the only reason they gave Sam the time of the day when the Branson were known for years as try hard and thirsty for blue blood clout in their circle.

I think they can hire people who can run the business but yeah, if it's a huge estate (or huge estates in Hugh's case), it can be difficult to juggle a very demanding career and an estate if one wants to run both things.

I agree with pretty much with everything you said. Kitty's body was banging though, even when she was heavier. Even the YTs loved her. But most aristos are willowy ironing boards.

Also, Sam Branson was and is hot. That's why Pr. William hates him and wouldn't invite him to the wedding, though he invited all the other Bransons and Isabella A-G-C. Sam's a bit "rich boy" insufferable on IG, and he has his head in the clouds, but he is handsome and has aged pretty well for an English boy.

Also, a woman with a career would probably quit to help run the estate. Why make $500K or whatever in Finance when you could be benefitting from an estate of hundreds of millions? Future Duke of Wellington was spotted with one of his coworkers in Ibizia. The math makes sense.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this convo as well! Good discussion everyone.

plumberry88 · Jul 24, 2021

randonumbers said:
They seemed to have figured out that they will make more money milking their heritage than actually working. Kitty is marrying for money, mostly. (Dude also has the SA connection). The other two are marrying for love but they moved to the UK because more money to be made there.

Overall, though, I don't mind them. They seem all right. I think they have more of a sense of the world, growing up in SA. I think one of them dated a black man, so presumably less racist than other aristos. Kitty is good friends with Emma Weymouth too.

I agree with pretty much with everything you said. Kitty's body was banging though, even when she was heavier. Even the YTs loved her. But most aristos are willowy ironing boards.

Also, Sam Branson was and is hot. That's why Pr. William hates him and wouldn't invite him to the wedding, though he invited all the other Bransons and Isabella A-G-C. Sam's a bit "rich boy" insufferable on IG, and he has his head in the clouds, but he is handsome and has aged pretty well for an English boy.

Also, a woman with a career would probably quit to help run the estate. Why make $500K or whatever in Finance when you could be benefitting from an estate of hundreds of millions? Future Duke of Wellington was spotted with one of his coworkers in Ibizia. The math makes sense.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this convo as well! Good discussion everyone.

yesh she has great body. though i prefer her physique pre-pandemic. she seems so thin in the recent pics. speaking of, when is her wedding?

and on that note, where do you think viola will marry? SA? fiance has a resort. and is hugh required to marry in chester? I know her sister edwina got away from the whole church thing. should he or viola choose to have a destination wedding, do you think the optics would be good? i have a feeling chester people would like him to marry like tamara did.

kazzap · Jul 25, 2021

Does anyone think hughs secretly engaged to someone already?? Just read on a gossip site that it supposedly happened during lockdown . Any opinions??

kazzap · Jul 25, 2021

Also mentioned pics of Hugh and Harriet at a dinner party and at a rugby match I know it was years ago for those two but has anyone see the pics ?

plumberry88 · Jul 25, 2021

plumberry88 said:
yesh she has great body. though i prefer her physique pre-pandemic. she seems so thin in the recent pics. speaking of, when is her wedding?

and on that note, where do you think viola will marry? SA? fiance has a resort. and is hugh required to marry in chester? I know her sister edwina got away from the whole church thing. should he or viola choose to have a destination wedding, do you think the optics would be good? i have a feeling chester people would like him to marry like tamara did.

oooopppsss kitty got married already. were there any aristos or royals in there? hugh? they have a place in italy and it’s that time of the year that he visits italy.

pet · Jul 25, 2021

kazzap said:
Does anyone think hughs secretly engaged to someone already?? Just read on a gossip site that it supposedly happened during lockdown . Any opinions??

No he isn’t. He is single and I feel he might prefer it that way for a year or two. The Emily girl whom your most likely referring to, is dating his friend allegedly and they were only rooming together for a short period during COVID. I’m 90% convinced her camp put out that story about her in dailymail.

kazzap · Jul 25, 2021

Rooming together ?? So I’m guessing Emily is / was hughs flatmates girlfriend . The rumour was a younger lady and they were waiting till shes a bit older.

closetoyou · Jul 25, 2021

kazzap said:
También mencioné fotos de Hugh y Harriet en una cena y en un partido de rugby. Sé que fue hace años para esos dos, pero ¿alguien ha visto las fotos?

It was before Gerald’s death

pet · Jul 25, 2021

IS it true that one of the reasons Harriet and Hugh broke up was because she was too into him for his pedigree instead of who he actually was outside his title? Idk i just heard some rumors that it was one of the things that made him not wanna be with her.

closetoyou · Jul 25, 2021

closetoyou said:
Fue antes de la muerte de Gerald

yes , i saw them …hugh and some other friends had their faces painted green and others like harriet had their faces painted red

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jessicasilva · Jul 30, 2021

closetoyou said:
yes , i saw them …hugh and some other friends had their faces painted green and others like harriet had their faces painted red

where did you see it
do you know his insta

closetoyou · Jul 31, 2021

mudan ali said:
Dónde lo viste
conoces su insta

closetoyou · Jul 31, 2021

Only one photo

jessicasilva · Jul 31, 2021

closetoyou said:
Only one photo

do you know his friends instagram

Malisha · Aug 1, 2021

kazzap · Aug 1, 2021

I thought the same

kazzap · Aug 1, 2021

Thanks for picture

Reign962 · Aug 1, 2021

Just a picture of baby Hughie because we haven’t gotten new pictures this summer

jessicasilva · Aug 1, 2021

Malisha said:
He gives off serious 'bros before hoes' vibes in a lot of the more private photos.

which photos

jessicasilva · Aug 1, 2021

do you think him and harriet are together?

guillotine · Aug 2, 2021

Reign962 said:
Just a picture of baby Hughie because we haven’t gotten new pictures this summer View attachment 2766874

Own, a cute billionaire ginger baby :clover

I also like this pic too

Reign962 · Aug 2, 2021

mudan ali said:
do you think him and harriet are together?

I don’t think so

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