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One of my favorite Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes is the one where Larry David and Ted Danson have agreed to each fund one wing of a new building for an environmental organization. Ted proudly has his name inscribed on his wing, while Larry modestly chooses to have his wing attributed to “Anonymous.” But everybody says Larry is just showing off to get credit for humility, unlike wonderful Ted who is a true outspoken environmental warrior.
The show was filmed at the Tree People headquarters on Mulholland Drive and Coldwater Canyon in the Hollywood Hills. The Tree People are a charity run by rich Beverly Hills folks who get together at society events and give each other awards for buying up bits of land in the Hollywood Hills for public use.
It’s easy to make fun of rich people environmentalism, but, here’s the thing: these socialites have managed to oversee the creation of a string of hiking trails in the dead center of the country’s second biggest city that have made my life appreciably better. The Tree People facility serves as the hub of a network of maybe eight miles of trails that either wouldn’t exist without them or would dead-end as fragments. They managed to buy up key stretches of expensive land before the Russians arrived and drove the price through the roof.
So, while I’m sardonic about environmental organizations, I’m also aware that they’ve sometimes done good things for me. So, I’m concerned that lately environmental NGOs have lost interest in the, you know, environment.
Environmental organizations in the U.S. have always reflected white elite preoccupations. Back when Madison Grant saved the redwoods, those included eugenics and immigration restriction.
Now they are diversity, inclusion, and equity, which don’t actually have anything to do with the environment. But green NGOs aren’t just being hypocritical anymore during the Great Reset, they are living out their ideals, with predictably disastrous results:
From Politico:
Justice or overreach?: As crucial test looms, Big Greens are under fire
The environmental movement embraces a broad array of progressive causes while its own agenda hangs in the balance.
By ZACK COLMAN
06/19/2022 07:00 AM EDT
When Aaron Mair ascended to the board presidency of the Sierra Club, he brought a new mission to the century-old environmental group: Where once it devoted itself solely to conservation issues, now it would embrace a much broader range of social justice causes.
Mair came from the environmental justice movement, where communities of color battle against industrial pollution rarely seen in wealthier, whiter areas. The movement has DNA more akin to the civil rights movement than John Muir’s reason for founding the Sierra Club: conserving streams and forests.
Under Mair and Brune, records show, the Sierra Club funneled its own funds into the groups Black Lives Matter and Showing Up for Racial Justice. In 2017, Brune threw the club’s support behind citizenship for children brought to the country illegally. In June 2021, Sierra Club backed reparations for Black Americans. It changed its definition of environment to the “environmental health of all communities, especially those communities that continue to endure deep trauma resulting from a legacy of colonialism, genocide, land theft, enslavement, racial terror, racial capitalism, structural discrimination, and exclusion.” …
Okaaaay …
Greenpeace USA is the latest major environmental organization riven with dissension. Interviews with 10 current and former staffers and documents obtained by POLITICO reveal an organization divided by tension between senior management and its younger workers over race and gender issues, culminating in a 2019 audit that blamed top-level management for creating a “culture of suffering and overworking” that was “guided by fear.”
It’s almost as if blacks tend to care less about trees and whales than about getting paid more for less work.
The Sierra Club’s Statement on Reparations is a doozy:
Sierra Club’s Statement on Reparations
The Sierra Club firmly supports reparations for Black people and believes it is impossible to create a healthy, safe, and sustainable future for all without acknowledging and materially addressing the past and present economic, cultural, psychological and spiritual impacts of racism.
At the Sierra Club, we believe in the power of together. Together, we remain committed to the fight for a healthy climate built on a foundation of environmental, racial, economic, and gender justice — a future where all people benefit from a healthy thriving planet and a direct connection to nature. The movement for environmental justice (EJ) has expanded the definition of “the environment” beyond wilderness, outdoor recreation and conservation. With guidance from our EJ partners, the Sierra Club now defines “the environment” as environmental health of all communities, especially those communities that continue to endure deep trauma resulting from a legacy of colonialism, genocide, land theft, enslavement, racial terror, racial capitalism, structural discrimination, and exclusion. Today, Black people in the United States continue to experience the highest rates of poverty, unemployment, health disparities, and incarceration, and the lowest wages and rates of wealth accumulation due to past and current exploitation of the Black community.
In June of 2020, the Sierra Club formally recognized Juneteenth, the ending of slavery in the United States, as a a symbol of Black freedom and Black resistance, centering Black people’s unique contribution to the struggle for justice and equity in the United States—a struggle that still persists today. The Sierra Club has also affirmed that tackling the climate crisis can only happen if we confront systemic racism, including environmental racism, since Black liberation is a key to solving the global climate crisis.
For reasons [TK].
The Sierra Club believes that reparations for the Black community is a critical first step toward equitable reinvestment into marginalized communities and halting extractive policies.
The National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America (N’COBRA) defines reparations as “a process of repairing, healing and restoring a people injured because of their group identity and in violation of their fundamental human rights by governments, corporations, institutions and families.” If we are going to strive for true allyship in the fight for environmental justice, we must acknowledge that reparations will promote the kind of investments in capital, infrastructure and jobs that contribute to the achievement of health as a social determinant. Communities that have been treated as sacrifice zones by big polluters have been calling for reparations for years. So much of the wealth in the United States was built on a foundation of theft and enslavement and by returning some of that wealth to the people it was stolen from, we can begin to undo the intergenerational harm done to Black communities.
In 2020, Sierra Club formally endorsed HR 40 (The Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act), which calls for a committee to study reparations, but we know that for those of us who have been endlessly harmed by colonialism, slavery and systemic racism, justice is long overdue. Congress needs to not only study reparations; it needs to address the harms caused by anti-Black policies and practices through reparations. The Sierra Club firmly supports reparations for Black people and believes it is impossible to create a healthy, safe, and sustainable future for all without acknowledging and materially addressing the past and present economic, cultural, psychological and spiritual impacts of racism. …
In other words, who cares about the ecological jibber-jab? Give us money now!
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Agreed, completely! Like the Nature Conservancy, and to a lesser degree the Arbor Day Society*, these people put their money where their mouths are. Good on ’em.
The Sierra Club is the biggest example of the contrary, an organization that purposefully sabotaged their own mission by supporting massive immigration. It took $100,000,000 in 1990s money to do that (David Gelbaum’s money). From that time on they were nothing but a club of who-ers.
This racial stuff is being done with a different motivation. Instead of greed, this time it’s cowardice.
Great post.
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* Full Disclosure: I was a member for a decade or so and got 10 little trees in the mail each year. Most died, but my yard did become a place where it was so shady you couldn’t have a lawn anymore. (Who knew?)
And by black liberation, they mean handing over all the funds previously earmarked for the “global climate crisis” to black grifters, who will spend it on houses, cars, handbags, and gold teef.
You have to admit, they state their intentions fairly clearly.
The Audubon Society a few years ago decided that its mission was more to prevent climate change than to do anything related to birds. After all, if the Earth becomes an uninhabitable hellhole, birds will go extinct anyway. Next up: killer asteroid collision detection and countermeasures? If we save the climate, an asteroid could still kill all humans and birds!!!
New organizations will arise. FIRE’s recent expanded mission makes it the successor to the moribund ACLU.
Told ya! Just the first, teeny tiny little step. Those trillions we’ve thrown down the drain since the Great Society was declared over 50 years ago? They don’t count….yeah, because reasons.
Reasons are coming in awfully handy lately. We’re using them to explain all sorts of things.
The same thing is happening to the National Academy of Sciences. The easiest party to a research gor study grant is to incorporate diversity, inclusion, equity, and antiracism into some narrow aspect of science.
https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/addressing-diversity-equity-inclusion-and-anti-racism-in-21st-century-stemm-organizations-a-summit
https://www.nationalacademies.org/topics/resources-on-diversity-equity-and-inclusion
Both NYC and DC have already had Juneteenth Sailer’s Law celebrations, and the day is still mighty young. Stay safe — stay home.
Nine shot in Harlem, one fatally:
https://mol.im/a/10934017
Four shot in DC, one fatally:
https://mol.im/a/10933187
Crazy idea; can the Sierra Club with their shiny new black president teach people of color to pick up after themselves? We had this addressed around 1975, after the crying Indian campaign (was actually a Cajun Italian, but what ever) convinced the evil terrible white people to pick up after themselves and leave nothing but footprints. You cannot go to a public park or beach without noticing that many (all?) of the sainted and beloved people of color don’t put their refuse into the garbage pails, that are almost always but feet away. Rather they simply drop it where ever they are. Leave your public housing version of sanitation at the projects. Or is cleanliness and preserving natural environments racist too?
These days, one needs to perform their own due diligence before contributing to established charities. All it takes is a few new board members and, shazzam!, we’re all Black Lives Matter now.
The Environmental Movement wants to Demographically Exterminate the Native Born White American Working Class…..
The Immigration Reform Movement wants the Native Born White American Working Class to go into the NPG fertility mode protect the Environment and Wildlife….This is a call for White Genocide and the Great Replacement…..
Ask the Sierra club if they think Native White Folks should start having Large White Families again like in the past…And they will scream NAZIS!!…Same thing for every immigration reform organization..
Don’t give your $$$4 to Immigration Reform Organizations…for they are telling the Native Born White Working Class to stop breeding…..
WHITE GENOCIDE-THE GREAT REPLACEMENT=DC BELTWAY IMMIGRATION REFORM ORGANIZATIONS………
And they live off of the Homosexual Peter Theil’s money……
They do in the negative sense: more DIE = less natural environment. In other words, environmental organizations are now openly embracing the opposite of their purpose. John Muir’s interest in race and eugenics wasn’t some random personal peculiarity of his, it was entirely consistent with his mission of conserving and improving the natural environment. His organization’s more recent embrace of antiracism and dysgenics will necessarily lead to the loss and degradation of the natural environment. All the good done will be undone.
This is just another chapter in the ongoing destruction of everything by the death cult of liberalism/progressivism/leftism. When your underlying tenets are unfalsifiable, indeed undebatable (i.e. de facto religious), you inevitably have no choice but to submit to whomever can make most ruthless use of your unquestioned and unquestionable religious assumptions. When your de facto religion is is a demonic one, such as leftism, those ruthless users will be demonic as well. Abandon all hope, ye who have entered here.
Steve, I’ve reached my wit’s end and I just don’t know what remedial education options remain to deal with your intractable failures to capitalize “black”. I’m beginning to feel like Marvin Gaye’s father.
There really is no alternative to segregation.
They need their own space, it has to be outside, not inside mine.
The board of the Sierra Club are failing as fiduciaries. They are failing for reasons which aren’t sussed out in commentaries like this.
Have a gander at the situation at Oberlin College in re Gibson Bakery. A board made up of white businessmen is sitting on their hands allowing a quartet of administrators (two of them black women, the two being the more influential decision-makers in this situation) to keep banging away defending the institution from a lawsuit which is costing them tens-of-millions.
We need some sense of the psychodynamics of the elite whites behaving this way. It doesn’t make any sense.
While I’ve never had much use for hardcore environmentalists, some good things have come from the movement. Unfortunately, jumping on the DIE bandwagon isn’t going to be one of them. As a matter of fact, black peoples penchant for wrecking nice places and things, (as well as their well known love of the great outdoors – LOL) means your local national park may be at risk. There’s probably a reason it wasn’t a tearful negro on that old pollution/litter commercial…
Environmental organizations in the U.S. have always reflected white elite preoccupations.
No, ordinary people like parks and handsome old buildings and dislike dirty air and trash heaps. The problem with many noisy environmental organizations is that they despise industrialists, by extension despise industrial workers, and regard preservation as a categorical imperative and not as something that incurs costs as well as benefits.
Ted Danson was the one who gave anonymously, but then went around telling everybody.
Thanks for the tip on Sierra. As far as I’m concerned, this statement “The Sierra Club firmly supports reparations for Black people” means the organization will never get another cent from me.
It’s almost like putting members of a not particularly high functioning and very inward-looking minority group in positions that are supposed to consider the greater good is a mistake.
Rich person: Wow, it’s really nice out here in Montana. I want to buy some land out here
(Buys land, pays taxes on land) Wow, I hate paying taxes, but I don’t want Ted Turner or a logging company to buy the big parcel of land next to me. I’ll give ten million to the Nature Conservancy, deduct it from my taxes, and they will buy the big parcel of land next to me.
reparations will promote the kind of investments in capital, infrastructure and jobs that contribute to the achievement of health as a social determinant.
Who knew mass Escalade ownership would repair the World? Cargo cultism as Tikkun Olam, what could go wrong?
“Crazy idea; can the Sierra Club with their shiny new black president teach people of color to pick up after themselves? We had this addressed around 1975, after the crying Indian campaign (was actually a Cajun Italian, but what ever) convinced the evil terrible white people to pick up after themselves and leave nothing but footprints. You cannot go to a public park or beach without noticing that many (all?) of the sainted and beloved people of color don’t put their refuse into the garbage pails, that are almost always but feet away. Rather they simply drop it where ever they are. Leave your public housing version of sanitation at the projects. Or is cleanliness and preserving natural environments racist too?”
I work in an area that could gently be described as “ungentrified.” I came to work early one Sunday after a carnival the night before. The large parking lot was covered, covered in trash. My first thought was that some kids had put a bomb in a dumpster and blown trash all over the parking lot. then I realized that hundreds of people had parked there, eaten their take-out dinners, then simply thrown the trash out the windows of their cars. Literally hundreds.
Can you morons not be scared and be honest about anything?
Do you know how you sound to normal people?
Whaaa, People of Color want to be treated fairly. How will I survive without my privileged advantages.
There is a reason you people cannot get women
I believe that there is endless demand for DIE ideology because it serves the same purpose Marxist ideology served in the old Soviet Union: it is the justification for the elite to rule us and to be given more power.
Why if it was not for the professors, lawyers, judges, NGO’s, and the federal police, groups like Blacks, LGBTQ+, Hispanics, and women would be treated even worse by cisgender white males. That would be a great injustice and a moral stain on our nation. So ipso facto the elites have to rule us and be supported by a giant state.
The way to get promotions is to show that you are more woke than the next person , i.e., that you support the ruling elite more. The way to get government money is to support DIE ideology loudly and often.
Madison Grant? You mean John Muir?
“can the Sierra Club with their shiny new black president teach people of color to pick up after themselves? ”
It appears you will need to be sent to a re-education camp to understand.
Blacks are the new royalty. They can litter wherever they like. It is the job of white people to pick up their trash.
As you would expect, the trustee board at Oberlin has become fairly non white. Although I am surprised at the number of board members who work in finance and venture capital. Even if a few of them have their heads on straight, which I doubt since they are Oberlin grads who agreed to serve on the board, they would get outvoted. Even among the old white guys, they all have a pet left wing cause. There is a lawyer dedicated to immigration activism who lives in Vail. One is an investment banker helping run a green energy scam, another is a human rights activist. I doubt the Sierra Club is any different, these organizations are so far gone, no one sane is going to agree to serve on the board.
https://www.oberlin.edu/general-counsel-and-secretary/trustees
That Oberlin-Gibson Bakery saga is an ongoing source of iSteve-y content. I’m surprised he hasn’t given it more coverage. Even though the (disproportionately black and/or lesbian) lady administrators who led the original charge into the maw of epic punitive damages are now gone, their successors (also disproportionately black and/or lesbian) can’t stop doubling down and keep racking up legal bills.
Hey Oberlin! Maybe stop putting woke black women in charge? Save millions of dollars with this one weird trick!
But of course they can’t stop putting woke black women in charge because that would mean the (domestic) terrorists win.
Why there is nationwide systemic failure of charitable boards at their fiduciary duty is, I think, explained in my previous comment. When the boards’ (indeed all of society’s) underlying tenets are unfalsifiable and unquestionable, there is no alternative to riding those assumptions to their (il)logical conclusions. Worse, when those underlying tenets are profoundly false, as DIE tenets are, then you are not just on the unalterable road to a random conclusion, you are on the road to a very specific perdition, and there is no off-ramp.
But the charitable boards are the least of it. As mentioned parenthetically, the failure program is society-wide, and so the failure results will be also.
Small, and localized efforts to protect and make accessible the nearby environments like Steve mentions are good things.
Large, bloated environmental activism that uses lobbying, fear and terrorism to promote a degenerative and anti-human policy is bad. the best way for them to die for the negroes to take over. Two separate enemies fighting each other.
Local reporting on the issue from May 2022
https://chroniclet.com/news/304385/gibsons-to-court-make-oberlin-college-pay-36-million-judgment/
What’s new?
Blacks don’t care about anything that is not black. I’ve seen protests in London on Ukraine crisis, ecological issues & Assange.
Only whites.
So long as these ideas are taken as effectively the new religion and being seen to oppose them is social death for the most influential portions of society, then what can ever stop them? Thus any organisation that isn’t explicitly not about SJWism will eventually become about SJWism.
We’ll see this more and more in Hollywood casting. I’m honestly surprised that it’s not gone farther so far. How can it still be possible for a corporate exec in a recorded meeting to argue against x white character being made black without suffering social death? There are 2 different black Superman projects (One with a nightmare team of Ta-Nehisi Coates and JJ Abrams writing) going at the moment, for example. Afterall, “Why shouldn’t there be 2?” Is a question without profitable answers at a personal level for any white exec.
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/michael-b-jordan-val-zod-series-hbo-max-1235098147/
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/ta-nehisi-coates-superman-dc-warner-bros-1234916366/
Look at the MLS, the most white middle class institution in the US, up to a few years ago it was almost entirely composed of middle class white players like Landon Donovan (Mostly with Haven Monahan like names too) and deeply white middle class fans. Now every team has it’s players in shirts with rainbow for the first half and then Africana style numbers for the second half of June.
They have a whole Juneteenth section of their website despite there being few African Americans among the players or fans. But this SJWism is a deeply class-based religion and so the SWPLs who make up the MLS arguably push it harder because there are few working class blacks involved.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/topics/juneteenth/
People have observed that this is actually a profoundly mutated form of the kind of increase in social solidarity and collectivism that comes after an unraveling per the fourth turning. Since these individualistic and social disintegrating ideas became the moral basis for the modern West the result is society coming even more apart from what is supposed to start to put it back together. The nice white middle class girls supporting ‘trans rights’ (As opposed to the originating activists who are totally insane) are psychologically normal but the social programming they are operating under causes them to support deconstructing society in an instinct that is supposed to save it.
I also don’t get the hate among some in the right wing for environmentalism outside political aesthetics. Do people actually think there aren’t limits to growth? The best run countries in the world tend to care about the environment and cautious development, the worst seem to have spivs and psychopaths destroying it and developing crappy get rich quick urban environments.
Why do you chafe at world with Danish planning regulations versus Albanian ones? It’s just as silly as liberals supporting immigration for political aesthetics despite the consequences coming for them too.
The real threat to the environment is not climate change. The real threat to the environment is nuclear war. We should never forget that fact.
I’m curious about environmental stewardship in Mexico. Do they have a good track record of cleaning up messes or preventing them in the first place? Does the average Mexican go hiking in his local area?
A friend married a Mexican guy, and then when they went to visit his family in suburban MX, she was shocked. Apparently everyone cooks over an outdoor fire or grill of some kind, and the result is the air in that local valley is sooty and black. The Mexican guy laughed and said he never realized what clean air was until he left that village.
On the other hand, there’s millions of Mexicans here in CA working in landscaping and house-cleaning. They must know about cleaning up and organizing.
It seems to increasingly be the case that a Progressive charity can no longer dedicate itself to a single issue. It has to sign onto the entire Woke agenda, leading to a diffusion of focus and the sort of internecine conflict that was chronicled in a previous iSteve post. When Occupy Wall Street began, it was about one issue, one for which I have some sympathy, but quickly turned into a grab bag of every Progressive cause including ones like open borders, which Wall Street likes very much. On the Left, you can’t sign up for just one cause, you have to embrace them all equally.
If this were the case on the Right, the NRA would have to devote equal efforts to opposing abortion.
I believe this situation on the Left is imposed by the large leftwing foundations that dispense the money on which they depend.
The environmental organization the Sierra Club. Now the Sierra Club used to stand against rapid population growth, for the simple reason that rapid population growth is a major cause of environmental damage. Then a wealthy rentier with an arguable stake in cheap labor reportedly spent $100 million dollars to bribe the leadership of the Sierra Club into changing their position, and instead insisting that rapid population growth has no effect on the environment – and anyone who says differently is a racist (check out http://www.susps.org/).
A key point is that the Sierra Club did not change its position because of new data, or a reasoned debate. The Sierra Club apparently changed its position because the leadership had been paid to do so. I don’t mean to pick on the Sierra Club, it’s just that usually this process is veiled in secrecy, and operates quietly as wealthy donors only bestow their largess on those who – wittingly or not – will support their selfish interests.
“Conservatives” often opine that the government should do nothing to prevent wealthy individuals from accumulating large fortunes. But we forget: when the rich become billionaires, they do more than just buy large yachts: they buy the government, they buy private foundations, they rule us without any transparency or accountability. This nonsense about ‘diversity’ is a top-down plan to use race to distract us from class war. And yes, Virginia, there really is a class war, and our class is losing.
Regarding Curb Your Enthusiasm, you’ve got it the wrong way round. Ted Danson donated his wing anonymously (while making sure everyone knew who gave it), while Larry originally had his name attached to his wing.
I was going to say Liberation from Black Bodies, but you’re probably right about how they define it.
The Sierra Club has not been an environmental advocacy organization for many years. That ended when they took a 100 million dollar endowment in exchange for switching their policy from immigration restriction to open borders. The immigration of third world people into first world countries increases the overall consumption of natural resources and creation of garbage, CO2, and other waste, thus having a net negative impact on the Earth. If the developed counties still had very low immigration policies, like the US pre-1965, they would all presently have shrinking populations and would be on their way to reducing their environmental problem.
If Greta Thunberg wasn’t so busy looking for her car keys under the street lamp, she would be hectoring the developed countries to shut down their borders, expel third world colonists, stop foreign aid, and severely restrict international trade in order to bring manufacturing back to more environmentally responsible practices.
Expecting the Sierra Club to focus on the environment is as silly as expecting the ACLU to still be interested in civil liberties.
My dad donated to Sierra Club for years and then stopped as well. He didn’t understand the reason behind the change in mission and so was just pissed off and befuddled by it.
True conservationists were driven from the environmental movement. The few honest ones are fringe.
The harsh truth is to preserve a truly pristine environment humans needs to live in small bands of hunter gatherers. Few have the gonads to admit what a farce the green racket is.
Could be worse, imagine they were a high functioning inward-looking minority!
Ecologists are green.
Environmentalists are watermelons; green on the outside, red on the inside.
I’m still waiting on my thank you card from the Sierra Club for being a part of the shale revolution that drove the greatest single decade decrease in CO2 and particulate emissions ever recorded in American history.
Greenpeace already had one civil war, over whether or not to back fission energy. The wrong side won and they have been on a downslope since then. Real scientists work on problems, they don’t “build awareness”.
“Environmental organizations in the U.S. have always reflected white elite preoccupations. Back when Madison Grant saved the redwoods, those included eugenics and immigration restriction”
Interesting Mr. Sailer makes reference to those two concepts, but neglects to offer the requisite context and commentary as to the motivations of “white male elites” as the “champions of conservation” in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s.
They generally shared a common disdain to human traits they abhorred, which centered around immigrants. White immigrants (gasp). In essence, their meaning of nature and wilderness originated from their concept of civilization. They sought to create a redoubt free from the corrupting influences of inferior peoples and to escape from the encroaching undesirables that inundated the coastal urban areas.
Madison Grant’s 1916 treatise “The Passing of the Great Race, or The Racial Basis of European History” warned the “Nordic” peoples would be overrun by the “Alpine” and “Mediterranean” populations. Those two latter groups simply lacked the aristocratic qualities to properly govern. Duh! That attitude extended until the field of environmentalism—Poles, Italians, and Slavs did not possess the “noble, generous instincts” to preserve pristine forests or ensure the perpetuation of preferred animal species like elk or black bears. So for those “white male elitists” who prized the expert governance of resources, it was a hop, skip, and a jump from the managing of wildlife to the managing of the gene pool.
I mean, who could argue with Yale professor Irving Fisher who in 1909 insisted that there would be race suicide if the nation did not replenish itself with Anglo stock. After all, the paupers and degenerates from Eastern and Southern Europe had insatiable appetites for resources, and who ultimately would spoil America’s beauty in the long term.
The overall point here is that this group of “white male elitists” sought to preserve the land and the natural order of things for only a chosen few, that conservation could never be successfully achieved if non-Western and non-Northern Europeans were in charge. Thus, the numbers of Italians, Poles, and Slavs had to be under the strictest of controls. Ironic given how we white people of today collectively are well versed in trashing parks and polluting rivers.
Although, to be fair and balanced, the cause of environmentalism was not solely the work of “white male elitists”, but the efforts of a wide swath of American citizens originating in the 1830s and 1840s, including women!
https://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr534.pdf
“Both NYC and DC have already had Juneteenth Sailer’s Law celebrations, and the day is still mighty young. Stay safe — stay home.
Nine shot in Harlem, one fatally:
Four shot in DC, one fatally”
Give them time. This was just the first official Juneteenth holiday. I’m sure the numbers next year will be higher.
The total failure of HBD to penetrate the white smart fraction is the continuing tragedy of our time.
The “white male elitists” have switched sides.
They have turned into self-hating anti-white racists.
Times change. People change.
It turns out if they wanted to meet their enemies all they had to do is look at their grand-children lying in their cribs.
I never understood this notion that the transfer of purchasing power through immigration is bad for the environment when they’re the ones picking up the trash.
Steve, thanks for being quantitative about the trail length. But could you please give a sense of the extent of utilization. Thanks.
Now they are diversity, inclusion, and equity, which don’t actually have anything to do with the environment.
Ugh, Steeeeeeeeeeve, come ON. Everything is everything–you, of all people, should know that, Mr. Intersectional Pokeman. BTW, has anyone addressed the whole “Mother Earth” grossness yet? Why is They still being gendered and deadnamed? It’s Birthing Orb, people. (Ok, there’s your next opening-monologue-zinger Bill Maher writers, if you’re reading this, and I know you are.)
We used to give to (UK) charities all the time. We gifted to a couple of them by “Deed of Covenant” to celebrate the birth of a healthy child. My wife used to collect for two of them.
Now we don’t: they – or at least the national charities – have become career options for leftists who want to make some money and make a name for themselves in hopes of becoming Labour MPs. And so the national charities do less and less of the work they were established to do and instead devote their funds to political campaigning.
We do gift to a couple of local charities where we hope we’d hear about it early if they became equally corrupt.
What about the oversight body, the Charities Commission? It was corrupted by the Blair governments.
P.S. Until a couple of years ago I used to complain that, as an atheist, I found us having to give to the only remaining honest charity, the Salvation Army. Then a blog commenter disabused me of that last hope. Oh well. God certainly does move in mysterious ways.
most greens are watermelons. green on the outside, red on the inside.
“before the Russians arrived and drove the price through the roof.”
ah, now we’re getting somewhere. the real reason Steve has flipped out about the Russia Ukraine situation.
Blacks don’t give a shite about the environment. Ever seen a public park or beach after they’ve spent a summer day tearing the place up, scattering their trash, stealing or destroying anything that isn’t nailed down? They chase off the nice White families who learn very quickly to get to the venue early, before the blacks are awake, and leave by noon just as the ferals arrive like a trail of ants to an ice cream cone dropped on the pavement.
It is both tragic and comical to watch the two-way movement of foot traffic on Long Island’s Jones Beach on a typical July weekend – Whites with young children trudging back to their cars with purpose while blacks spill out onto the dunes in early afternoon. Those willfully blind or too virtuous and stubborn to recognize the threat invariably come to grief as the locusts help themselves to unattended beach chairs, coolers, umbrellas, shovels and pails.
I spent summers during my college years working as a lifeguard on Fire Island and can state with complete authority that the blacks who swarmed to the public beaches from Brooklyn and Queens were the unruliest, loudest, most troublesome, thieving parasites to ever suck the fun out of a season. We lifeguards were little more than kids ourselves, many of us, not armed corrections officers. But with no more than an occasional pass-through by the beach police patrol, it often fell to us to at least try to maintain some semblance of order among the throngs of savages.
They would steal the tube of sunblock off the lifeguard stand while we attended to an emergency, generally one of their own, unable to swim, wading out too far into the pounding Atlantic while ignoring our whistle. Sunblock. Black skin. They would steal our phreaking sunblock. Sheesh.
No, putting people who have no interest in your institutional mission and just want to exploit it for other ends is not good.
As cynical as this sounds. as long as the college can make more on their endowment than it costs them in post-judgment interest @ 5% and additional legal fees, appealing for as long as possible is a rational move, not to mention that there is some (small) chance that they might actually win on appeal. Until recently this should have been doable but I’ll bet that the returns on their endowment have dropped or turned negative in the current bear market so I expect they will pay soon (although they have now outlived a couple of Gibsons).
Not to mention that they seem to be running out of appeals.
https://chroniclet.com/news/304385/gibsons-to-court-make-oberlin-college-pay-36-million-judgment/
They could always try some kind of hail mary in Federal court or something like that.
As part of the appeals process they had to post an appeal bond underwritten by an insurance company (another expense) so that even if Oberlin goes broke or declares bankruptcy there is still a pot of money to pay the judgment.
TBH, while Oberlin acted outrageously and pissed off the jury, $36 million is a ridiculously generous award. (OTOH – Don’t do anything outrageous and then you won’t have to worry about overly generous juries). If the Gibsons had stayed in business for another 100 years, they still would not have made $36 million. If and when they get paid (it’s looking more and more like when and not if) it will be like winning the lottery for the Gibson heirs. They can close their stinky bakery and retire in style courtesy of Ms. Raimundo.
That is a good Curb episode, but you have the tiny details slightly askew. Larry puts his name on his wing, whereas Ted has his donated wing labelled “Anonymous” but tells everyone he paid for it. Ted of course gets all the credit, whereas everyone scorns Larry.
Nordics have engaged in as much dysgenic breeding as everyone else. Time to find what’s left wherever it can be found and quietly start over. There may be a relevant Kurt Vonnegut novel to guide you. No, it was probably satire. Oh well…
Even though the (disproportionately black and/or lesbian) lady administrators who led the original charge into the maw of epic punitive damages are now gone, their successors (also disproportionately black and/or lesbian) can’t stop doubling down and keep racking up legal bills.
The man who was the college president at the time the incident occurred retired on schedule ‘ere the matter went to trial. The fat chick dean who was responsible for the original ruckus (and is still listed as a defendant in the suit) landed another administrative job at a school down in Georgia. (No clue how many disasters you generate of this nature before you’re untouchable by those hiring the student affairs apparat). The president who arrived in the interim and the g-c are still there. (Both are black women). The unpaid settlement has been accumulating interest charges while they pursue appeals. They’ve been turned down by the first-line appellate court and are attempting to get the state supreme court to review the case.
Another fine article, but wasn’t the Larry/Ted thing the other way around? Ted was Anonymous and then went around telling everyone that he was. All of his and Larry’s friends gave Ted the greater number of Virtue Points because he chose to remain anonymous while Larry sought recognition for his gift by putting his name on the wing. A terrific plot.
They can close their stinky bakery
Have you ever been in the door, Jack?
The Intercept article linked earlier suggests the foundations are the problem.
I thought Oberlin had already lost the case, is it still being appealed in the higher courts? Anyway with the administration this is just adherence to dogmatism, and with the board, fear of standing up to dogmatism, nothing more complicated than that.
It’s a new religion, and it’s as intractable to the old American civic religion (i.e., Christian Protestantism) as archaic Christianity was to the Greco-Roman pantheon. Say hello to the new gods and their praxis. There is no reasoning, debating or voting our way out; things will just have to run their course.
What does the Sierra Club actually do besides be a noisome irritant? The nice white ladies in Sailer’s town actually have something to show for their efforts. These little local conservation groups are doing the Lord’s work.
The Sierra Club? The Audubon Society? The World Wildlife Fund? Just grift.
BTW: The large black man in the Sierra Club shirt is a hoot. It’s obvious he is having a great time playing nice whites for the fool.
Wow, that must have hit close to home, TD… you didn’t make any of your usual bizarre spelling mistakes.
I saw some here on UNZ that D.C., currently 40% White or so, would have a homicide rate of exactly zero were it not for the blacks.
It’s not just charities. I thought it was going to be pretty much a one-off when I decided to eschew Target a few years back. I’ve now decided to start working my way through the insurance companies: it’s my largest single expense, more even than property tax. I’m moving home insurance from Allstate.
This is not a hobby I foresaw or sought.
Every year DC has something called the Black Family Reunion. Everyone knows to avoid the primary venues for the “celebrations” (the Mall and Zoo) for the duration. Likewise, the Caribbean festival is also a good one to steer clear of.
If the payoff is self-aggrandizement through activism and philanthropy, the trees and condors don’t stand a chance against the attraction to identity navel-gazing exhibitionism.
The college had to purchase a bond to guarantee the value of the settle along with legal fees in order to appeal. Appealling does not come without costs. The question is how much did the bond cost and what are their legal fees.
This is the only part of your comment I don’t agree with. How about a country that stabilizes at 200-250 million and then even goes down some, that learns how to take care of its “habitat” and is productive enough to support lots of wilderness for those who like it, as opposed to poor, with a population that must rape the land to survive, and with decent people who support these efforts with their own money and time?
Oh, we DID have that, and it could have stayed like that, but for immigration on a large scale, multiculturalism, and the destruction of the White Middle Class.
Good on your Dad, Thea, but I guess his money couldn’t argue with $100 million…
Robert Conquest’s second law:
2. Any organization not explicitly and constitutionally right-wing will sooner or later become left-wing.
Note also: The definition of left and right is drifting too.
As long at the NC buys the land at fair value, without some government influence, I don’t see a problem with that scenario, Mr. Dubbs. The income tax system, with its loopholes and often perverse incentives, well, now that’s another deal entirely. I’m against’ it!
Go woke go broke.
The Izaak Walton League and Ducks Unlimited are also good choices for conservation groups that remain focused on conserving wild habitats.
(((That’s for sure)))
……..it always comes back to the women with you , doesn’t it tiny …..what’s the problem tiny, you know you can tell us.
A bit off topic……Lithuania is blocking Russian land access to Kaliningrad …….nuclear war is BAD for birds …..HEY, back on topic!
The verdict size is lawless. $36 million to a small town bakery because it was defamed as racist?
The Supreme Court limits punitive damages to 9 times actual damages, and only for extreme cases, for example gross negligence resulting in death. Here, actual damages were not 3 million in economic losses from defamatory fliers. The whole business was unlikely to be worth that much.
Oberlin is an evil institution so I do not sympathize with them. But their loss isn’t a “win” for justice if it requires the degradation of the US Constitution and English common law.
Yeah. Normal.
You, on the other hand, sound like an illiterate retard.
In other words…you support post-1965 race-placement NONWHITE Legal Immigrant policy…
> Reasons are coming in awfully handy lately. We’re using them to explain all sorts of things.
Nice.
I’m sure it’s actually a lovely little family business but I know what kind of business is worth $36 million and that ain’t it. Would you have paid the Gibsons $36 million for their bakery, fragrant or stinky?
You can pull all the little emotional heartstrings about how this is a multigenerational business and means a lot to them and blah blah but no one would pay them for that. You look at how much free cash the business throws off every year and apply a multiple to that – for a business of that type, maybe 5 or 6x tops. So unless they were taking home $6M/yr (which I highly doubt), no way were they damaged to the extent of $36M so the court verdict was a windfall for them. Courts are supposed to compensate people for their actual damages and not be a form of lottery that bestows unimaginable wealth on lucky prize winners.
Of course you may like it if the loser is a lousy leftist institution like Oberlin and the winners are a fine upstanding white family, but if courts can dispense such random justice the shoe could easily be on the other foot.
Amended 2nd law: Any organization not explicitly anti-DIE sooner or later becomes DIE.
I think it’s time for Jack D’s corollary:
2a . Any left-wing organization not explicitly and constitutionally “anti-racist” will sooner or later become “anti-racist”.
I remember when the environmental movement was a hippy-dippy, back-to-nature sort of affair. Now it has been fully assimilated by global neo-liberal capitalism; even oil companies espouse “climate-change” orthodoxy. And – lo and behold – look at what is now being advocated as environmentally conscious: Closing off wild lands from the public. Inducing people to live in high population density urban centers. Factory produced fake-food made from soy and bug-meal. Substituting virtual experiences in a metaverse for real-world experiences like traveling. And the same people who tell you that Human influence on the Earth’s Climate is totally unacceptable also tell you that GMO-based foods are a panacea.
Notice just how alienated from actual nature their environmental solutions have become.
Of course, the environmental movement has been a stalking horse for globalist capital for at least 50 years (look up Maurice Strong if you hadn’t heard of him), it’s just wasn’t as obvious as it is now.
“the creation of a string of hiking trails … that have made my life appreciably better.”
Great. But deep-six the black yoga shorts. No one wants to see that. Just like no one wants to see me naked. I have to surprise them, in a public space. The more eyes the better.
I believe the much larger issue that subsumes your valid point is this:
The billionaires-multibillionaires are 1)bored to death…2) but are terrified of Grim Reaper…when it comes for them…
And 1+2 pushes them into a psychological state of demigod being.To deal with 1+2…the closest they can be to being God is by being a demigod in this world which gives them the illusion of immortality of a God…..And by having this life and death power over millions of Native Born White Working Class Americans through the open and deliberate policy of White Genocide and the Great Replacement-a policy which is implemented through post-1965 NONWHITE Legal Immigrant Policy……
“The definition of left and right is drifting too.”
One of the few positive developments in the political scene.
This is a pretty good articulation of why I’ve always been skeptical of Steve. Steve needs spillover effects from too many things that I hate to really trust his political judgement.
In the same way that because of where I live and because of what composes the majority of my trust you really shouldn’t trust my perspective on energy policy. I’d be more than happy to see green energy wither on the vine even though I see the value of quite a bit of it. 60 dollar oil means I’m back to flying commercial and there isn’t much I wouldn’t do to avoid that.
Similarly Steve needs the spillover effects from Hollywood for example to buttress the value of his home. Everyone is complicit in something and Christopher Buckley hit the nail on the head with his line about paying the mortgage being the Yuppie Nuremberg defense but I can’t really take coastal right wingers seriously-their entire milieu drifts on tectonic plates that are forcing the subduction of core America.
Every large organization will eventually betray the intentions of its founders.
Thank you, I couldn’t remember where I’d read that.
“The Sierra Club believes that reparations for the Black community is a critical first step toward equitable reinvestment into marginalized communities and halting extractive policies.”
So how many steps are there? As long as “the Sierra Club *believes*,” let the Sierra Club make the reparations.
Lol, we’re way past that point already.
Your Law of Mass Shootings played out in Harlem last night. Ten people shot at an outdoor party, one death.
I can’t speak for UK charities, but something I’ve increasingly observed in US charities is that donations increasingly go to paying for the fundraising staff. In other words, most of the charity fundraising exists to pay for the charity fundraisers, who have become something of mobile, endogenous caste. I’ve even seen cases where the fundraisers consume more than 100% of the donations, so that they are literally feasting on the charity’s operating income.
Occasionally a charity will wake up to the fact that they would have more money if they didn’t have all of these fundraisers (or “development staff” as they usually call themselves) and will mass layoff the parasites, and the cycle will begin again: the “development staff” will find a new host, while the newly purged charity will over time gradually re-accumulate “development” parasites. It’s like watching some kind of microbial law of nature.
This is independent of any political or philosophical beliefs of the fundraisers, who are generally opaque about this, if they even have any at all. As far as I can tell, these people just exist to attract money to themselves while claiming to do so in the name of the charity. They are typically such slick salesmen (or very often saleswomen) that the charity itself doesn’t see that their biggest burglars operate on their payroll in the front office.
Don’t forget the reputational damage, esquire. Racism is a serious accusation that can permanently damage your career and personal life.
Not sure I recall for certain Jack, but wasn’t there a punitives award here? There is SCOTUS dicta to the effect that punitive damages must be proportionate to actual damages but at four times the actual damages and greater such an award approaches a due process violation insofar as it begins to become a sort of deprivation of property which we should reserve for criminal conduct, and criminal liability is to be shown beyond a reasonable doubt rather than by a preponderance. Again, I don’t recall all of the facts but I think I do recall that the University’s administration got behind a boycott/harassment campaign even after it knew that the boycott was based in a false set of facts either cynically (it was easier to stand with the crybullies and hurt innocents) or maliciously (the administration rejected true facts because the narrative is more satisfying). In either event this is the sort of thing we have punitive damages for – it has to hurt when you’ve been proven to harm someone else due to your own outrageous conduct in order to encourage others. This University was preparing to send this junior monster league out into the world to work its magic against all other sorts of innocent people. It has to receive pushback somewhere.
The other nit I would pick with you is that there is undeniably some intangible property interest in a multigenerational family business that is not compensable by its market value alone. It’s something that only really has value for members of the family and isn’t really salable, but at the same time it’s not nothing.
It’s become something of a niche industry to have careers in management of charitable organizations.
The thing is that if the charity you run brings in $250,000 annually, then maybe your $50,000 salary can be justified. But if it brings in a topline of $2,000,000 annually, your $200,000 salary is actually a smaller percentage of gross receipts (half) than in the former case. It’s just that you now need a full time staff, and lots of marketing expenditures, and a bigger legal services budget, etc.
Part of this actually does make some sense – the competition for worthy charities for people to contribute to is pretty cut throat, and without competitive measures your charity can be driven “out of business” so to speak by the others who are employing aggressive marketing tactics.
It’s sheer cowardice.
Many whites have never stood in front of a rage-trembling black and told them to ‘fuck off’ to their face, knowing full well that a fight would ensue, much less the limp-wristed university types.
So just so you know, when you stand in front of a rage-trembling black and tell them to ‘fuck off’ to their face, know that you’ll probably get into a fight. ALSO know that if they’re facing you off one on one, 9 times out of 10 they’ll back down after lots of hyperventilating and shouting, because bluster is their whole schtick. Just watch your back walking to your car.
Stand up to your opponent, stare them in the eye and be ready to take care of business. It’s not just blacks; this applies to every race, creed and color. To misquote Brandon, “C’mon man! It’s simple biology!”
One of the many reasons I no longer donate to any national or large scale charities. Strictly local only, and even then mostly in smaller, rural towns.
The US Constititution has been rewritten a number of times by legislative and judicial amendment and didn’t put a check on State tort systems in any event.
The English common law was developed for the free English in their small island-nation. There are several elements, like the tort system, that don’t work in over-scaled, post-industrial, multi-cultural empires like the US.
Great comment #2 on this thread, A.M.! (I’m all out of [Response]s.)
Here’s the thing about the dieverse members of these charitable boards, A.M., and I know you know this. They are giving out OPM. Now, plenty of decent, most of them White, people may be deluded with their ideas, but they do care. These black people, other than caring about screwing Whitey, don’t look at the big picture about the whole organization possibly going down.
I’ve seen this at the much smaller level with black cashiers and such. Yeah, give your friends a break, you don’t have to be like some tight-ass White person who makes everyone pay. They are not capable of looking at the big picture or they just don’t care enough. “What, the business might go broke? Not my problem. I’ll get another job. They owe me.”
The right wing doesn’t like Environmentalism being used to over-regulate businesses enough to get them to send the work to China, Altai. They don’t like “the Planet” being used as an excuse for Totalitarianism. The “Climate Crisis” bullshit is not cleaning up the parks and leaving land aside for National Forests. The first thing is bullshit, and the latter two things are real.
This is happening right now, so I don’t see how you don’t understand what the right has a problem with.
The article produces no evidence supporting the headline’s claim that “environmental organizations are being looted by their diversity hires”.
“For reasons [TK].” What does this mean? And what does “TK” stand for?
A little excursion into semantics…
What is the difference between [1] and [2] below?
[1] “Due to past and current exploitation of the Black community, today Black people in the United States continue to experience the highest rates of poverty, unemployment, health disparities, and incarceration, and the lowest wages and rates of wealth accumulation.”
[2] “Today, Black people in the United States continue to experience the highest rates of poverty, unemployment, health disparities, and incarceration, and the lowest wages and rates of wealth accumulation due to past and current exploitation of the Black community.”
[1] is probably false; it says that Blacks experience higher rates of dysfunction than any other community (e.g., Oglala Sioux). The attribution of cause is probably false too.
[2] can hardly be false, because it deals only with those dysfunctions that are “due to past and current exploitation of the Black community.”
Its okay Tiny’s…..he didn’t really mean to say “Teef”…..I’m sure it was probably supposed to be “toofusses”
Buh bye then…..
Oh yeah. ** cough cough ** “Russians.”
Only $25m of the verdict was for damages, which is the State of Ohio’s statutory limit, the rest is interest and (growing) legal fees due to Oberlin College’s addiction to appeals. Since the verdict fits precisely within the State of Ohio’s duly enacted laws, delivered by a duly convened court, it can’t really be described as “lawless”.
Being defamed as “racist” is arguably more consequential in this day and age than being an actual party to actual murder, so this is hardly a petty matter.
The “small town bakery” is really a bakery, sweet shoppe, liquor store and dry goods shop rolled into one, so it is larger and more diversified than the name “bakery” suggests. I would guess their annual turnover before the College decided to persecute them was in the low seven figures.
The Supreme Court pulling numbers out its a** and declaring them binding on 350m people from Maine to Hawaii strikes me as much more “lawless” than the actual enacted statute of a state’s actual legislature tried in an open court before a jury of peers. But, accepting for the moment that the US Supreme Court really does know what is best for us better than we do, it may be that this verdict falls within their (arbitrary) limits anyway.
This being a college town, the bakery probably lost most of their revenue due to the College’s defamatory and vindictive boycott. Due to the existence of fixed costs, a business losing most of its revenue usually means that it loses all of income and starts hemorrhaging money, becoming a net liability, so the net present value of their loss could easily be seven figures. This leaves aside the fact that the point of punitive damages is, as the name suggests, to punish, so they should be scaled to the perpetrator rather than to the victim. In this case the perp is a large and wealthy institution, who therefore needs a large assessment to feel punished. Their endowment is over a billion dollars, and no one at the institution has suffered any personal consequences, so $25m will barely show up in their annual report.
Blacks account for less than 3% of the population in Britain. I suspect if you surveyed matters carefully, you’d find two things. One is that wage-earners in general tend to protest government policy which has a palpable impact on those things for which they’re personally responsible – property tax hikes, abusive behavior by school administrators, toxins in the water table, etc. The other is that black population in is disproportionately wage-earning.
Define anti-white. What are the metrics?
As you know, punitive damages, which this judgment includes, are indeed intended to be above and beyond actual damages, precisely for the purpose of preventing cases like this where a large and wealthy institution can gratuitously crush a much smaller entity because its “worth” is a mere rounding error compared to the billion-dollar aggressor. Punitive damages are meant to level the playing field slightly, and in this case do indeed go some way to accomplishing that.
This justice was hardly random. The case was minutely litigated over years including a six week trial. It seems to me that it is a rare case of the justice system more or less working as intended (provided Oberlin eventually pays). That the losers were lousy leftists and the winners a decent family was coincidental but nonetheless salubrious.
As you suggest, the shoe can be—and frequently already is—on the other foot. But to reject an instance of modest justice because there can also be instances of injustice, when the system itself will not go away, would be perverse.
They’ve got a $36,000,000 bill because they keep appealing. A quarter of the bill consists of ancillary charges consequent to delay of payment. Another component of the settlement consists of punitive damages, just in this case because Oberlin has deep pockets and its officials engaged in near criminal conduct. You fancy punitive damages should be paid to the state, like a fine? Well, you’re in the legal profession. I’m not. You get on it. The compensatory damages may be excessive. You and I haven’t looked at the books. It’s not as if Oberlin cannot afford legal talent and expert witnesses to argue contra the plaintiff’s contention. (Oberlin’s counsel tried to argue the shop was worth only $35,000. You’re in the business in this exchange of persuading everyone that bad attitudes are modal among lawyers contra people in trades not suffused with rent-seeking).
Keep in mind that we’re not talking about some car accident that was over in 10 seconds. What Oberlin and its pets did was premeditated, predatory, and vicious. The person on the receiving end was completely innocent. Oberlin wants to avoid unhappy experiences in court, one thing they can do is not go out of their way to provoke lawsuits. Another is to do what other defendants do and settle out of court. And offer a public apology. And fire Meredith Raimondo and tell her that no one employed at Oberlin would be giving her any references.
Note how crazy this is. Unlike the London Whale, she’s an apparatchick with no important skills. She lands a parallel position elsewhere even though it’s all over the trade press that her malicious stupidity set in motion a chain of events which cost her employer $36,000,000.
So has, you know, the entire white population. A little gratitude wouldn’t hurt you.
Literally
OT: https://www.npr.org/2022/06/19/1106173020/swimming-bans-transgender-women
Surprised you haven’t already commented on that, as it’s the first time as far as I know that the designated World War T good guys suffer a major Stalingrad-level defeat.
I don’t care about the environment, What did it ever do for me?
“ The Supreme Court pulling numbers out its a** and declaring them binding on 350m people from Maine to Hawaii strikes me as much more “lawless” than the actual enacted statute of a state’s actual legislature ”
So if a jury Vermont decides that Tesla and Elon Musk committed fraud because “full self driving” doesn’t actually self drive, and awards $200 billion in punitive damages, and this is upheld by the Vermont Supreme Court, there’s no Constitutional issue here and there should be no further federal recourse? World’s richest man suddenly becomes some rando in Vermont?
Judges have to create rules that involve arbitrary boundaries all the time. The Supreme Court’s constitutional limit on state punitive damages seems wise to me. And my hypo isn’t outlandish at all, one of the actual cases creating the rule involved an insane punitive award against BMW, and they happen all the time.
Random seizures of political opponents’ property is what happens in the turd world. We might as well just skip to the next step and proceed to actual mass political violence if we’re degraded to that point, especially given the right has better private arms while the left has better lawyers.
To be fair, phenomenon of mission creep is not limited to charities, or to just progressive organisations. Rather, it seems to be a neccessary feature of any kind of bureaucracy – once you rent offices and hire people to work in them, they will start finding new ways of extending their grasp… it’s a law of nature, like gravity.
Nor is it anything new – certainly for Greenpeace in Europe and Australia interest in broader social issues has always been a part and parcel of their platform.
You obviously didn’t read the whole article. Also, do you think John Muir was the only conservationist of his day?
“This being a college town, the bakery probably lost most of their revenue due to the College’s defamatory and vindictive boycott.“
You think engaging in a “vindictive boycott” should be subject to compensatory and punitive damages?
The real threat is the population bomb known as Africa.
In Chicago there are reunions of residents of closed public housing projects. They are obviously ant-gentrification protests and the gentrifying areas where they happen are clogged with traffic when they happen.
It’s one of the main reasons grocery stores go broke, don’t open stores in black neighborhoods, or closing them due to operating at a loss multiple years in a row so corporate pulls the plug.
What Jack D overlooks is that Ohio, like most states, recognizes defamation per se examples of which include false allegations (1) of a crime; (2) of having certain infectious diseases; (3) of sexual misconduct, particularly pederasty; (4) of sexual harassment; (5) that damage a person’s business or calls into question his ability and / or character to conduct his profession or carry on his trade; and (6) of RAYCISM.
In fact, Ohio’s conception of that which constitutes defamation per se is much broader than most states. The upshot is that one does not need proof of economic damages in order to prevail upon a defamation per se cause of action. The law presumes that one has been damaged if one has been the target of defamation per se.
What Jack D also overlooks is the proper measure of damages. He appears to be laboring under the impression that the plaintiffs’ damages are to be computed by the fair market sale value of the business or a certain multiple of gross sales or a certain multiple of net income.
With the exception of a few small, mainly religious-oriented charities, the previously diverse charity shop scene in the UK has been trashed by tie-ups between the charities and high street retailers. The retailer gets rid of old stock items which appear in their partner charity’s stores. What’s not to like? Well, it’s becoming less usual to see items which have actually been donated by individuals other than “penny dreadful” airport paperbacks and old CDs . Probably the charities sell individually donated clothing and other fabrics by weight for recycling. The shops are soulless second division outlets for corporations which can claim tax relief. The charity management behind such tie-ins no doubt can boast terrific track records as they skate to the top, secure in their own self-image as trailblazing entrepreneurs.
That would be “…one needs to perform one’s own due diligence….” The subject of your clause is “one” – that is, some indefinite, unidentified individual,and said subject is undeniably singular. The possessive pronoun is therefore “one’s” with an apostrophe. Why did you use a “gender neutral” plural pronoun in your construction? Do you always parrot illiterate Talking Heads? You are better than that, aren’t you?
You might offer the retort that I’m being petty. I therefore preemptively ask: “Are our language, and the culture of which it is a part, insignificant? If you insist on treating it as such, it will inevitably become so. The Left certainly isn’t interested in defending either language or culture.That’s why educational standards are no longer enforced. That leaves it up to you.
A boycott combined with egregious defamation? Yes. The Oberlin clowns are lucky our society allows them to get away with merely paying millions to make amends. An alternative could be a return/progression to honor-based vendetta culture, in which Gibson’s and friends from around the region/country show up and raze Oberlin to the ground, killing any defamers and objectors on site.
You and Jack D whining about the Oberlin punitive judgment don’t seem to realize that the United States (and maybe the rest of the world) is maybe heading towards a physical “mutual combat” way of settling differences, both on individual and mass scales.
My remarks are not intended as a defense of Oberlin, in case that needs saying. We’ve discussed the case before on this blog.
Quite so, but this sort of thing happens all the time in the Current Year. Very few cases are ever publicized much less adjudicated.
They tried to apprehend Shoplifters of Color. That’s about as guilty as you can be, in the Current Year. If they were cops they might be in prison now.
When I was younger the excuse was always poverty,poverty, poverty. Now that I am older I realize the answer is people, people, people.
I think the defamation was rightly the cause of action for the lawsuit. The boycott was rightly a nexus for imputing and quantifying damage.
I used to think the Spanish Civil War was a hideous conflict and it was. It was also a necessary conflict.
It won’t happen here. Northern Brazil is the best we can hope for.
It’s a minor victory for women but it’s a start.
In the first paragraph of his dissent in BMW v. Gore, Justice Scalia wrote,
“[t]oday we see the latest manifestation of this Court’s recent and increasingly insistent ‘concern about punitive damages that run wild’ (internal citation omitted). Since the constitution does not make that concern any of our business, the Court’s activities in this area are an unjustified incursion into the province of state governments.”
As Scalia penned, what the 14th amendment’s procedural due process guarantee “assures is an opportunity to contest the reasonableness of a damages judgment in state court; but there is no federal guarantee a damages award actually be reasonable.”
Scalia excoriated the on-going revisionism of the meaning of the 14th amendment, noting that at the time the amendment was ratified, it was “well understood that punitive damages represent the assessment by the jury, as the voice of the community, of the measure of the punishment the defendant deserved.”
The damages award against Oberlin does not present a 14th amendment issue, even if some of you think that the amount of the award is unreasonable. The amount of the punitive damages to be assessed against a malicious tortfeasor who has injured an Ohio citizen and Ohio business is a function of an Ohio jury, not the federal judiciary.
Well it seems the only way the Sierra Club can relate to blacks, is to offer them money. We have read enough articles that say blacks don’t use the National Parks or nature reserves. And in Buffalo, governor kathy hochul is giving the black community $50 million to help homeowners do stuff. Reparations have begun in NY.
I’m no lawyer. Jack D. is, and maybe Pixo and a few others on this thread are. I’m not saying Jack D. is wrong in his points, were we talking about a country in which both sides of the political divide play fair. That’s not at all the case.
You are right. This is not going to be settled by looking at precedents and making sure we “don’t go too far”. It’s gonna get mean. Rule of law will play no part in it. (With the Anarcho-Tyranny we have going on already, one can see that.)
It makes perfect sense. They are part of the extended phenotype of the group that orchestrates such things.
You can quote me on that. Oh wait, you did! So thanks. 🙂
Hypothetical. As real courts like to say, they don’t rule on hypotheticals.
OTOH, you did point out the real and infamous Gore v. BMW case where Alabama courts awarded punitive damages at 500x compensatory damages, and the US Supreme Court decided that was too much and issued vague guidelines on limiting punitive damages. Well, that’s the Supreme Court’s opinion, or rather the opinion of seven Beltway people in black robes—Scalia and Ginsburg(! no doubt swooning under Scalia’s manly aroma of cigars and cognac) dissented, pointing out that there was no Constitutional issue for the court to address. I too have read the Constitution once or twice and I don’t recall anything about punitive damages in there. The rest of the court unwittingly ratified this dissent by declaring the decision to be based on the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, which is where courts put everything that isn’t actually in the Constitution but that they wish were.*
If BMW didn’t like Alabama justice (the award was $2m—a rounding error for BMW), they were free not to do business in the state. (In the end, BMW probably spent more on the legal fees for the case and the appeals than size of the award itself.) And if Alabama doesn’t like businesses fleeing the state, they were free to rein in their courts with limiting statutes. Neither side did this, so they clearly weren’t too bothered about the whole thing until SCROTUS seized the opportunity to create a new Federal legal preserve.
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*After the inevitable civilizational collapse brought on by leftism, depending on how much of the former judicial system the survivors wish to restore (my recommendation is to roll back at least to the 13th Amendment, but I probably won’t be there so it will be up to those who are), a quick shortcut is just to toss out everything that purports to be “substantive due process”, it’s all fake and ghey law.
That’s too bad. That was the one part of trannymania that I liked.
No, it’s a race war that generates inter-class antagonism to advance the aggressor race’s interests.
The Supreme Court most assuredly does NOT limit exemplary damages to nine times actual damages.
Except that when a corporation or individual buys it for private use they are expected to continue paying taxes on the land, and on any profits made from the land. When they hand it down to their heirs they will – if it’s valuable enough – have to pay estate taxes on the land. The nature preserve page no taxes on it at all, ever, and the land ceases to serve any economic purpose.
That’s not to say that I disagree with setting aside very large sections of land for preservation. I actually do. I’m just saying let’s just not pretend that the two purchases are actually equal.
“ An alternative could be a return/progression to honor-based vendetta culture, in which Gibson’s and friends from around the region/country show up and raze Oberlin to the ground, killing any defamers and objectors on site.”
Interesting fantasy. Yes, many thinks “could” happen, but that won’t.
But as I said before:
“Random seizures of political opponents’ property is what happens in the turd world. We might as well just skip to the next step and proceed to actual mass political violence if we’re degraded to that point, especially given the right has better private arms while the left has better lawyers.”
“The Future Is Unwritten” — Steve Sailer, channeling The Clash
EVERYBODY HOLD ON TIGHT
Agreed, not in this case, because Oberlin is gonna pay up. 💵💵😎💵💵
Another crazy aspect, which I thought iSteve-y is the strange constellation of amicus brief writers that the case has attracted, all on the side of Oberlin College.
There is the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Exactly how shoplifting and persecuting burglary victims Advances Colored People isn’t really clear, but I guess nibbas always gonna Back The Black, so whaddya whaddya…
Then there’s a couple of nonprofits I never heard of, the National Coalition Against Censorship and the Student Press Law Center (the other SPLC) who apparently consider promoting defamation while suppressing the victims’ response to be standing “against censorship”. I don’t recall any newspaper or other media outlet being party to case, so I’m not sure what the SPLC’s interest is supposed to be. The NCAC seems to be a bunch of NYC liberals who stick their noses in where they deem free speech to be abridged. So of course none of these charlatans show up when non-influential parties are actually censored (Anglin, Taylor, Unz) but happily show up to help a billionaire bully curbstomp a small family business.
But the really surreal one is … the Ohio Chamber of Commerce! You know, the nonprofit for promoting businesses? Yeah, apparently now their mission is to attack businesses on behalf of wealthy non-businesses. When people (like me) wonder how it is that “Chamber of Commerce Republicans” are on board with mass invasion by high-crime low-work-ethic welfare sponges, I mean, what’s the pro-business angle here? I understand importing Chinese coolies or Mexican braceros to undercut native wages (“understand” not “approve”), but how do MS-13 gangsters and Congolese layabouts help Commerce? Well, now it begins to make sense. Or not actually to make sense, but at least to be consistent: the Chamber of Commerce hates commerce. It would be more honest of them to change their name to the Chamber of Anti-Commerce, but maybe a little honesty is too much to ask in this highly corrupt age, and perhaps in any case at this point we all already naturally assume that any institution actually does the opposite of what its name purports, so if they made the name accurate it would be too confusing.
Dude, we’re already there.
Indeed.
Yeah, in pretty much every big city there’s some sort of summer black family reunion, Juneteenth, rap concert or something that will attract a lot of young black men. For the readers of this blog, large concentrations of young blacks inevitably means “avoid at all cost.”
Well isn’t this a case of chickens coming home to roost. Environmental organizations tend to be aggressively liberal and have substituted a faith in organized religion for naturalism and worshiping mother Earth. Of course, to maintain their leftist bona fides, they have to genuflect to gender and diversity inclusion organizations such as BLM. The naïve good whites (to use a Derb term) that run environmental organizations were clearly too stupid and naïve to understand that blacks really don’t give a damn about the environment or climate change unless it directly impacts them and their communities. As such, we have a Trojan horse situation where you have a small but vocal portion in these organizations who are trying to undo them because they really don’t care about the mission, and if anything, they are trying to divert funds from these organizations to solely support black concerns. The way things are going, they might just pull it off.
Steve misremembered the plot; IIRC Danson’s wing is attributed to “Anonymous” but he annoys Larry by telling everyone who’s anyone that it was him and getting credit for his modesty too.
“… I too have read the Constitution once or twice and I don’t recall anything about punitive damages in there. ..”
The Eighth Amendment does say something about excessive fines.
And you should see them in Africa… every corner is good to turn into a trash dumpster.
They just dont care.
I knew a private school principal who was paid over $500,000 and he was worth it because he brought in big checks from donors.
Fundraising is basically a version of sales and can be just as bottom-line driven.
One of them is: Screen name is “Corvinus”
Nobody here gives a flying f**k what’s on your mind, idiot.
If mind is even the word for the lump that grows out of your neck.
This really can’t be stressed enough. This is the number one threat to civilization in the 21st century.
LMFAO.
LMFAO & then SMH
… if you leave out the various genocides those DC whites are facilitating.
District of Columbia: where weak men create hard times, for export!
Yes, as averred, these fundraisers are basically just salespeople. But a lot of (most?) sales people are huge self-promoters, i.e., they sell themselves first. Maybe you and Steve rub shoulders with a different class of salespeople than I have done, but it has been my consistent experience in both the commercial and the nonprofit sectors that supposedly “high-powered” salespeople actually consume more than they produce, and/or produce less than everyone supposes, which is another way of saying the same thing.
It sounds like Steve has run the numbers on that private high school principal, so more power to him, but my own experience has consistently been that supposedly “indispensable” salespeople are net parasites. And lest you think I’m reading the numbers in a biased way, I’ve seen multiple instances where the organization’s profits (“surplus” in nonprofits) go up after shedding supposedly “high-powered” sales staff. Yeah, they were “high-powered” … at selling themselves to management. Sometimes the top-line revenues simultaneously go down slightly, which looks like a contradiction to naïve managers, who apparently never learned the difference between revenue and profit.
Good point. For some reason the learned Justices at SCROTUS overlooked this and chose to dance the “substantive due process” jig instead.
Exactly. These claims about how we are about to lose muh rule of law are like the claims about how this is the mostest important election ever. They are distractions designed to keep the rubes on the reservation.
disproportionate to what?
For awhile. Then the rest of the world shows up, and it is back to the usual.
All this environmentalism looks like a temporary reprieve on our way to a planet that is either urbanscape or high intensity agriculture. Gotta feed those standing in line for reparations, y’ know.
Re. Oberlin/Gibson. One conspiracy theory I’ve seen is that this is ultimately a property dispute. Apparently the college has been attempting to buy this bakery for a number of years but the owners refused all offers. If so, then encouraging black shoplifters to target the store would be a clever form of extortion, as it’s bound to cause great PR, as well as financial, difficulties for the owners.
Arguing against this theory is the evident foolishness of the AA black ladies at Oberlin who provoked this legal action by publicly calling the bakery owners racists and calling for a boycott of the store. There was no need to do this. They could have continued to quietly harass the bakery by supporting the shoplifters while publicly pretending to be uninvolved. The bakery owners would then have had no recourse.
Apt comment.
The thing still has a patina of conservation: “Once we convert the people we are feeling sorry for, they will go forth and sin no more; they will join us on our quest; the planet will be clean and natural.”
Things aren’t going as planned, so we are in the “try even harder” stage.
Can cult members ever go back to being fully part of a functioning society?
“…it (meaning Congress) needs to address the harms caused by anti-Black policies and practices through reparations.”
The Sierra Club definitely needs a proofreader.
This only underscores the incoherence of the so-called “Progressive Movement.”
That’s true based on the few times I’ve done that. Although, maybe it has only worked for me because I’m a septuagenarian and shorter than average, therefore they might be thinking this little old White guy must be packing for him to be acting like this.
Side note on the one time this happened and my wife was with me. It was a drug addled Haitian in Washington D.C. who tried to accost her and after being backed down claimed I was just wanting him to get arrested. What was interesting is that although she was upset and scared during the encounter, she never gave me any grief about it afterwards as I expected she would.
I might also add the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC), whose activities also seem limited to conservation.
“Nordics have engaged in as much dysgenic breeding as everyone else.”
Perhaps we need to train our Nordic youngsters to ask more relevant questions when they are selecting a mate.
Young man—So what is your position on siring offspring? You know, compare dysgenic versus eugenic breeding. Show me your worth.
Young woman—(Proceeds to give dissertation on the topic)
Young man—Marry me.
No doubt that topic came up repeatedly in your dating years. So, how many offspring in your brood? Five? Six? More? And I’m certain your wife has been a stay at home mom. After all, it remains a man’s world.
“Time to find what’s left wherever it can be found and quietly start over“
Please explain how this idea is compatible with the Christian view that all life is precious and is to be respected.
That’s true – I guess I felt the impact there more than my current city because DC’s compact size meant I was much closer to the likely action and it took a pretty significant part of town off the map for the weekend. Now I just make a mental note not to make any plans that take me downtown (which isn’t that common anyway) and that’s the extent of the impact on my life.
I had a client in the construction industry with a commissions-based salesman whose commission was based on the total contract price and who consistently sold jobs that were net losses for the client. Getting rid of him was a real trip. It’s just an elaborate form of stealing.
But this illustrates your point – lots of people in sales are parasitic. Rather than benefiting themselves and their principals, they’d rather just cannibalize the principals for as long as they can get away with it.
I think it depends upon how engaged and astute the Board is.
Sometimes the Board is really in the dark and not very astute, so the Directors and management really run the show and can get away with murder.
Yes.
My impression was that the Board of this school knew exactly the replacement level multiple of revenue generated to salary and thus they were happy to pay this headmaster over $500k because he brought in millions in donations. He was a very impressive guy. It was only appropriate that he insisted on being paid enough to live the good life in the San Gabriel Valley.
“Blacks account for less than 3% of the population in Britain.”
While it’s rarely on TV news, anyone reading the local crime reports will see they punch well above their weight. Here are the London Met’s 10 Most Wanted.
• Jamie Reese Bagnall, 23, last known to reside in Wickford, Essex, is wanted for an armed robbery in October 2021 in Chadwell Heath. He was part of a group armed with knives who poured acid on the face of the victim, kicked and punched him and stole his watch.
• Iosif Marius Amarandei, 22, last known to reside in Basildon, Essex, is wanted for three robberies committed in the summer of 2021 in Harold Hill, Dagenham and Romford. On all three occasions arranged to meet the victim in order to buy a car, he then robbed them of cash and valuable items. On one occasion, he pointed a gun in the victim’s face. He is also known to have carried a knife.
• Beniamin Cosmin Boros, 33, last known to reside in Kingsbury, is wanted for a violent robbery in Edgeware in October 2021. He beat up the victim and robbed him of his wallet, mobile, keys and van.
• Maashak Daniel Bloomfield, 32 , last known to reside in Camberwell is wanted for a robbery in February 2020 in Marylebone. The victim was jumped upon by a group who threatened and robbed him of his Canada Goose jacket, AirPods, cash and phone.
• Joshua Clarke, 32, last known to reside in Westminster, is wanted for a robbery in Kensal Town in August 2021. He befriended the victim then punched and kicked them in order to steal mobile phones and a wallet to the value of £750
• Swaleh Ahmed Swaleh, 23, last known to reside in Romford, is wanted for an armed robbery in Ilford in September 2021. He held a knife to the throat of a victim and robbed him of his pedal cycle.
• Jason Iyasara, 44, last known to reside in Sutton, is wanted for an armed robbery inside a food shop in Fulham Broadway in April 2020. He used force to steal items from the shop, when a staff member attempted to detain him, Iyasara stabbed them.
• Mason Bradley Luxon, 24, last known to reside in Romford, is wanted for an armed robbey in Romford in November 2019. Three men approached the victim with a knife and demanded they hand over their property.
• Ayman Ghazoini, 22, last known to reside in Ealing, is wanted for three violent robberies. In February 2022 at a hotel in Kensington he threated the victim with a knife and made them transfer cryptocurrency. He robbed another victim of bitcoin and jewellery in St John’s Wood in 2022. In November 2018 he robbed a victim for cash at knifepoint also in St John’s Wood. He is also wanted on recall to prison for breach of his license conditions.
AFAIK only two of the ten are native Brits – Mason Luxon and Jamie Bagnall.
Plausible. Though black shoplifters hardly require encouragement.
A weaker and even more plausible form of the theory might be that the shoplifting happened, and the Oberlin admin thought they would seize the moment to get that real estate deal closed finally. But having cried “Havoc!” and let slip their affirmative action dogs of war, they overreached and the plan backfired.
Meh, they probably just saw there was a PARTAY goin’ on and they wanted in on the action.
The world right now is full of best laid plans (conspiracies) that have gone awry. There is no reason that Oberlin insiders should be any better at this anyone else.
Yeah, that’s typically what I’ve seen in the commercial sector. Managers/executives are primarily focused on the top-line size of a project/contract. They don’t know and/or don’t care that the guts of it are garbage and will lose the company money. The sales execs are complicit in that they are almost always top-line compensated, so they have every incentive 1) to sell crappy projects/contracts: customers will more readily agree to your total giveaway, and 2) to make them as big as possible: higher compensation for the sales staff.
So, contracts that are total giveaways and that are as big as possible, … what could go wrong?
It can take years for an employer to wake up to this, if they last that long.
In the nonprofit sector it usually goes a little differently. The salespeople are meant to bring in donations. They justify their excessive salaries and the lavish (but fun—for them) fundraising campaigns on this basis. But after the dust settles, it turns out that all of those salaries and expenses exceeded the incremental funds actually raised. I say “incremental” because most nonprofits have pre-existing donation streams that come in whether or not there are salespeople. Salespeople love to take credit for the donations you were already getting though. And I say “actually raised” because getting donation pledges that never get filled is the nonprofit version of selling commercial contracts with large top lines and negative bottom lines.
Most nonprofit people are bad at arithmetic (that’s why they’re in nonprofits), so this can go on a long time. If you are involved with any charities, see if you can find out how much their “development” staff costs all-in with their lavish campaigns.* Then compare it with their donation revenue.** You might be shocked. But then you can tell the charity that fortunately you have found a way they can significantly increase their free cash flow and no one needs to spend a cent…
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*This is not necessarily evident from the public financial statements, but if you are a potential donor, employee or other interested party they should be willing to give you most nonproprietary financial information: it is part of being a charity. In other words, they won’t necessarily give you individual salaries (though the highest earners are supposed to be listed in the 990 anyway) though they should give your the total cost of the “development office” or whatever.
**This is usually on the 990 or other public financial statement.
“Managers/executives are primarily focused on the top-line size of a project/contract. They don’t know and/or don’t care that the guts of it are garbage and will lose the company money.”
That is correct.
Most MBA programs warn about this issue, and try to train students how to create compensation systems that maximize profits and not sales. But–understanding profitability of large and complex organizations is hard work and most folks are just lazy. (Of course some are stupid as well.)
Imagine how dysfunctional things have to be where there are cohesive and multi-generational groups of residents whose prime connection is the inability to offer enough value to society to even pay for the roof over their head.
I was involved in the rehab of a low income property years ago and once of the questions the underwriters posed to the property management company was “what do you do to market the property to replace people who move out?” The answer was “nothing, the new residents are mostly the kids of people who already live here.”
Harvard Business School has (or had, back in the day) a case titled “On the Folly of Rewarding A While Expecting B”. Or something along those lines.
If salespeople can increase their income by selling larger but less profitable or even unprofitable jobs, it seems reasonable to expect them to do just that.
“I’m sure it’s actually a lovely little family business but I know what kind of business is worth $36 million and that ain’t it. Would you have paid the Gibsons $36 million for their bakery, fragrant or stinky?”
Compensatory damages were $11 million. Plus $14 million in punitive damages (the jury awarded more but the verdict was capped at $25 million by Ohio law). The rest is legal fees which don’t go to the Gibsons.
Also the Gibsons owned more than the bakery. According to wikipedia:
“An email from Vice President of Communications Ben Jones read, “All these idiots complaining about the college hurting a ‘small local business’ are conveniently leaving out their massive (relative to the town) conglomerate and price gouging on rents and parking and the predatory behavior toward most other local business. Fuck ’em.”[15”
I don’t think the board of Oberlin is physically intimidated by the president and g-c of the college.
Neither the jury nor any of the judges who’ve heard this case have been drawn from the social dregs who put Derek Chauvin in prison.
We won’t come to any agreement I suspect, but I think there is both a strong historic and reactionary case for substantive due process decisions like BMW/Gore.
Perhaps the diversity hires have higher IQs than those who hired them.
An email from Vice President of Communications Ben Jones read, “All these idiots complaining about the college hurting a ‘small local business’ are conveniently leaving out their massive (relative to the town) conglomerate and price gouging on rents and parking and the predatory behavior toward most other local business. Fuck ’em.
Another indicator that college administrations are chock-a-block with economic illiterates.
It was reduced to $25 million by the judge, but Oberlin’s legal baloney has added quite a bit of interest to the total, as well as $6 million in legal fees.
From Wiki:
“On October 8, 2019, the college filed a Notice of Appeal appealing the case to Ohio’s Ninth District Court of Appeals in Akron, Ohio.[23] Days later, Gibson’s Bakery filed their own Notice of Appeal asking for review of Ohio’s statutory caps on monetary damages, rulings made by Judge Miraldi on motions, and the exclusion of expert witness testimony in the trial.[24] Oberlin College filed their principal appeals brief June 5, 2020.[25] Oral arguments by the parties were made in the Ohio Ninth District Court of Appeals on November 11, 2020, and made public on YouTube.[26] On March 31, 2022, the Court of Appeals overruled the appeals of both Oberlin and Gibson, upholding the jury verdict and Judge Miraldi’s decisions.[27]
In September 2021, the judge unsealed remarks Allyn D. Gibson made on his Facebook account from 2012 to 2017 in which he expressed resentment of being accused of racism and made disparaging remarks about a large portion of the local Black community.[28][29] These posts were not offered or allowed as evidence at trial. The Gibsons’ legal defense has argued that since Oberlin College attorneys did not attempt to introduce the Facebook posts as evidence, they “waived any argument that these materials were admissible.”[30]
On April 1, 2022, the Ninth Ohio District Court of Appeals dismissed Oberlin College’s appeal. In a 3-0 decision, the panel upheld the jury verdict that Oberlin College defamed, inflicted distress, and illegally interfered with the bakery. The damages were capped by Ohio state law at $25 million in total damages, in place of the jury’s original verdict of $11.1 million in compensatory and $33.2 million in punitive damages. Oberlin was also ordered to pay $6.3 million in attorney’s fees to the bakery.”[31][32]
Oberlin students and Gibson’s Bakery could coexist 20 years ago, but today’s Oberlin scholar seems to be cut from a different cloth.
“So much of the wealth in the United States was built on a foundation of theft and enslavement, and by returning some of that wealth to the people it was stolen from…”
This is lifted straight out of class war doctrine, but the Sierra Club nullifies any Marxist deviation by frequent reminders this is about BLACKS only.
They keep the Timberland boot firmly on Whitey’s neck.
Okay, I’m listening. What’s the argument in favor of “substantive due process” over what is actually written in the Constitution?
Environmentalism–the non-nutty kind–is essentially stewardship–maintaining and preserving your patch in good health for the future, for your children, your posterity.
The root impulse here is orthogonal to Jewish minoritarianism. It is wildly, fundamentally incompatible with Jewish immigrationism. And it is fundamentally, directly at odds with the essential middle man minority attitude/ideology–come, loot, move on.
Exactly!
Revealing in the process the fact that they’re nothing more than a mob of self-focused, low-character grifters. And what would a grifter know about Justice? Justice is a Virtue, which they confuse with Virtue Signalling, thereby rendering them incapable of Justice.
They literally have no moral ground. This would explain why all of their talk about theft is simply a crude form of psycholotical projection, or moral reversal.
There aren’t any Jews on the Sierra Club’s board.