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In the following passage, it is not clear to what the "there" in "resided there" refers.
The existence of Sarai Berke (New Sarai, Sarai-al-Jadid), reputedly founded by Khan Berke, is disputed. If it existed, the most likely location was Tsarev, an archeological site also on the Akhtuba channel 55 km south of Volgograd. The bishops of Krutitsy resided there from 1261 to 1454.
It might refer to Sarai Berke, but this is doubtful because the residence of the bishops "there" is stated as a fact, and the existence of Sarai Berke is not. The phrase probably refers to Tsarev, but the reader should not have to work this out. Thanks. Jim 16:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why is the existence of Serai Berke disputed?[edit]
It seems to be well attested to by many web sites. Notably the Hermitage Museum has an exhibit of art works specifically from Serai Berke (cf. e.g. http://hermitage.informbureau.com/the_art_and_culture_of_the_peoples_of_central_asia.htm) which states "the ruins of [Sarai Berke] are near Volgograd on the banks of the Akhtuba." Columbia Encyclopedia states it as fact and places its location at the same place stated by the Hermitage. Turkic World, in the Huns Dateline, beginning at http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/70_Dateline/71_Huns/hun_dateline12_En.htm, and continuing for the next three pages, has many historical references to events that occurred in Serai Berke. The only reference on the entire web to its being disputed is this page. A search for "Serai Berke" AND "disputed" AND NOT "Wikipedia" yields no results. Prignillius (talk) 06:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sarai, in russian, means a barn. Was this name intentional as an insult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.225.158.232 (talk) 02:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Batu Khan held his headquarters at the place which Plano Carpini call Corrensa in 1246. From there he continued his journey to Karakorum on Eastern Day 1246. Corrensa might have been pronounced Sorrensa which sounds more Sarransa. This is the only reliable source I have found among the lies published of those days. There one Russian Prince was executed on front of Plano Carpini´s eyes after meeting Batu Khan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.81.220 (talk) 17:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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