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WillVictoria

The_Most_Happy said:
Yeah, I figured as much. Since it involves Albert living longer, I'm just giving in and keeping Vicky's marriage the same, as well as Bertie and Alexandra. Not sure about Alice though - might ship her to the Netherlands and avoid the whole Alix of Hesse fiasco
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The issue is that Albert was the one behind Alice's marriage. In fact, the only reason it went ahead IOTL (rather than Alice joining her younger sisters marrying nobodies to stay in Britain) was that the marriage was arranged by Albert so Victoria felt obliged to let it happen.

Alix of Hesse is easy enough to avoid. Given the butterflies from Albert's death, it's possible Alix is never conceived. Even if we go with Alice having the same children as IOTL, you could easily have Alix die of Diptheria instead of/with her little sister Marie.
 

isabella

WillVictoria said:
The issue is that Albert was the one behind Alice's marriage. In fact, the only reason it went ahead IOTL (rather than Alice joining her younger sisters marrying nobodies to stay in Britain) was that the marriage was arranged by Albert so Victoria felt obliged to let it happen.

Alix of Hesse is easy enough to avoid. Given the butterflies from Albert's death, it's possible Alix is never conceived. Even if we go with Alice having the same children as IOTL, you could easily have Alix die of Diptheria instead of/with her little sister Marie.
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Well you can also simply have Ella and then Alix marrying someone else (Ella had a lot of suitors, Alix can very well marry Eddy as their grandmother hoped)
 

VVD0D95

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A slightly random family tree from here based on this pod:

WI Boedhe mac Cináeda's son Gille had not died?

Boedhe I of Scotland (b.990: d.1058) m Gruoch of Angus (b.1001: d. 1060)

Issue:

Gruoch ingen Boedhe (b.1018)

Gille mac Boedhe (b.1020)

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In 1033, whilst celebrating the marriage of his daughter Gruoch to Gille Coemgáin, Mormaer of Moray, adherents of his rival and the current King of Scots Malcolm II set fire to the building in which the celebrations are taking place. Boedhe, his son and daughter all manage to escape thanks to one of their men finding a side door, however, Gille Coemgáin dies before he too can be found and brought out of the building. Boedhe and his family flee northwards to the residence of Macbeth a claimant to the Mormaerdom of Moray. Upon informing him of what has happened, Macbeth keen for revenge promises to help them. He takes some of his men and marches for the capital of Moray, claiming his spot as the Mormaer, and then marries Gruoch to tie himself to Boedhe. From there, the men of Moray and Boedhe's men march on Dunfermline where they attack King Malcolm in his bed, killing the KIng and some of his retainers. They then hurry onto Scone where Boedhe is crowned King. From there, Boedhe would fight a battle against Cirnan of Dunkeld and Malcolm II's grandson Duncan, defeating the two men and killing them both. Cirnand's second son Maldred would flee southwards to the court of Edward the Confessor, taking his nephews Malcolm, Donald and Mael Muire with him.
 
kaiidth

kaiidth

Zygmunt II August ( 1 August 1520 – 7 July 1572)
Reign as King of Poland and Grandduke of Lithuania from 1 April 1548 – 7 July 1572

First wife was Elizabeth of Austria (9 July 1526 – 15 June 1545) married since 5 May 1543 till her death, no issue.

Second wife was Margaret of France (5 June 1523 – 15 September 1574), daughter of Francis I, King of France.

Zygmunt II married Margaret 12 September 1546

- Jadwiga born 21 September 1547- died 1594, married two times, had issue


- Zygmunt Kazimierz born 30 November 1548- died 1560

- miscarriage. June 1550

- Władysław IV born 1 June 1552- died 9 October 1604, King since 8 July 1572
Married three times, had ten children, four of them sons, one of them Zygmunt III

- miscarriage. 1553

- Zofia born 6 May 1554 - died 1591, married from 15 May 1570 till his death to Henry III (19 September 1551 – 2 August 1589), King of France since 30 May 1574
They had Issue
- - - Charles. born 2 February 1571, died 30 June 1575
- - - stillborn son. 1572
- - - Catherine. born 13 May 1573, married without Issue, died 1595
- - - HenryIV born 31 May 1574, married with Issue
- - - Marguerite born 22 June 1577, married with Issue
- - - stillborn son 1580
- - - miscarriage. 1582
- - - miscarriage. 1585



- stillborn son. 1556

- miscarriage. 1556 which renders Margaret sterile
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Any ideas about wives for Wladyslaw and husbands for Jadwiga?
 
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VVD0D95

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VVD0D95 said:
A slightly random family tree from here based on this pod:

WI Boedhe mac Cináeda's son Gille had not died?

Boedhe I of Scotland (b.990: d.1058) m Gruoch of Angus (b.1001: d. 1060)

Issue:

Gruoch ingen Boedhe (b.1018)

Gille mac Boedhe (b.1020)

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In 1033, whilst celebrating the marriage of his daughter Gruoch to Gille Coemgáin, Mormaer of Moray, adherents of his rival and the current King of Scots Malcolm II set fire to the building in which the celebrations are taking place. Boedhe, his son and daughter all manage to escape thanks to one of their men finding a side door, however, Gille Coemgáin dies before he too can be found and brought out of the building. Boedhe and his family flee northwards to the residence of Macbeth a claimant to the Mormaerdom of Moray. Upon informing him of what has happened, Macbeth keen for revenge promises to help them. He takes some of his men and marches for the capital of Moray, claiming his spot as the Mormaer, and then marries Gruoch to tie himself to Boedhe. From there, the men of Moray and Boedhe's men march on Dunfermline where they attack King Malcolm in his bed, killing the KIng and some of his retainers. They then hurry onto Scone where Boedhe is crowned King. From there, Boedhe would fight a battle against Cirnan of Dunkeld and Malcolm II's grandson Duncan, defeating the two men and killing them both. Cirnand's second son Maldred would flee southwards to the court of Edward the Confessor, taking his nephews Malcolm, Donald and Mael Muire with him.
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Would there be much interest in seeing this turned into a proper timeline?

@The Professor @FriendlyGhost
 

Jan Olbracht

Joanna of Castile (1367-1374) youngest legitimate daughter of Henry II of Castile survives to adulthood and marries John I of Aragon as his second wife.

Joanna of Castile (1367-1414) m. John I (1350-1396) King of Aragon

1) James III (1384-1428) King of Aragon 1396, King of Navarre iure uxoris 1425, m. Blanche of Navarre (1387-1441)

1) John II (1405-1459) King of Aragon 1428, King of Navarre 1441, m. Agnes of Burgundy (1407-1476)​
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1) Blanche (1427-1479) m. Edward II of Portugal (1418-1469) see below​
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2) James (1429-1435)​
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3) Joanna (1431)​
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4) John (1433-1434)​
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5) Charles (1435)​
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6) James IV (1437-1494) King of Aragon and Navarre 1459, m. ?​
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7) Maria (1439-1442) m. Charles the Bold (1433-1477) Duke of Burgundy​
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8) John (1441-1487)​
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2) James (1407)​
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3) Joanna (1409-1442) m. Martin II of Sicily (1404-1459) see below​
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3) Peter (1410)​
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4) James (1412-1413)​

2) Eleanor (1386-1427) m. Martin I (1374-1409) King of Sicily

1) Martin II (1404-1459) King of Sicily 1409, m. a) Joanna of Aragon (1409-1442) b) Catherine Visconti* (1430-1486)​
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2) James (1406)​
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3) Maria (1408-1460) m. Charles IV** (1404-1456) King of Naples 1414, King of Hungary 1439​

3) John (1388)

4) Alfonso (1391)

5) Joanna (1393-1450) m. Edward I (1391-1438) King of Portugal

1) John (1416-1421)​
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2) Edward II (1418-1449) King of Portugal 1438, m. Blanche of Aragon (1427-1479) see above​
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3) Afonso (1419-1420)​
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4) Philippa (1422-1493) m. Henry VI (1421-1475) King of England​
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5) Isabella (1424-1473) m. Henry IV (1425-1474) King of Castile​
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6) John II (1427-1483) King of Portugal 1449, m. Beatrice of Portugal (1430-1506)​


* Daughter of Filippo Maria Visconti

** Son of Ladislaus of Naples and Mary of Cyprus
 
perdu42

perdu42

Hello

In the chaotic mess of random pages torn from alt-history books that make up "Threads of 'An Old English Tapestry'", I present this WIP:
Wessex 1.1.jpg


Thoughts?
 

Kellan Sullivan

WillVictoria said:
You'd probably need an earlier PoD to either a) have a different house look like it will lead German unification, b) have Fritz not be the heir, c) have Vicky be Victoria's heiress or second in line to the throne so there's anxiety about a potential Hanover scenario arising with Prussia, or d) Frederick Wilhelm IV has a daughter he insists on marrying Fritz off to.
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Not specifically LONG before. Friedrich Wilhelm IV and Wilhelm I BOTH wanted a Russian grand duchess for Friedrich. Now, Nikolai I's daughters would be first cousins, but Mikhail Pavlovich has four daughters. Youngest (Anna Mikhailovna) is born in 1834, died in 1836. Her eldest sister, Maria (born in 1825, died in 1846) might be considered too old, but her sisters, Elizaveta and Ekaterina (born in 1826/27) were both mentioned first for Friedrich III then his OTL brother-in-law's brother, the Grand Duke of Baden.

Another option was Alexandra Alexandrovna (daughter of Alexander II), but when she died in 1849, her younger sister was too young and given Wilhelm's OWN difficulties in marrying Elisa Radziwiłłowna can you imagine selling the Berlin court on a half-Catholic Beauharnais girl (daughter of the duke of Leuchtenberg and Maria Nikolaïevna)? Think you'd have a better shot at marrying the duke of Edinburgh to Maria/Eugenia Maximilianovna (which were proposed as alternative to Maria Alexandrovna) than a-match for a Beauharnais and a Prussian prince
 

marcinL

kaiidth said:
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Any ideas about wives for Wladyslaw
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Start with the Habsburg family tree :)

Just be careful to not marry him to the sister of his mother or something like that
 

King_Arthur

A Scandinavian Union under the House of Mecklenburg

Henry II, Lord of Mecklenburg (1266-1329) R. 1307-1329

M. 1292 Beatrix of Brandenburg (??-1314)

  • Matilda (1293-1357) M. 1311 Otto III, Duke of Brunswick-Lunëburg (1296-1352) R. 1330-1352
    • House of Welf

M. 1315 Anna of Saxe-Wittenburg (??-c. 1328)

  • Ludgarda (1310-1362) M. 1328 Duke Wladyslaw of Bytom (c. 1280-1352)
    • Bytom branch of the Silesian Piasts

  • Henry (1316-1321)

  • Anastasia (1317-1321)

  • Albert II, Duke of Mecklenburg (1318-1379) R. 1329-1379 M. 1336 Euphemia of Sweden (1317-1370)
    • Henry III, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1337-1383) R. 1379-1383 M. 1362 Ingeborg of Denmark (1347-1391)
      • Albert I, King of Denmark and Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1363-1390) R. 1363(1383)-1390 M. 1381 Elisabeth of Holstein (1360-1409)
      • Euphemia of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (??-??) M. 1377 John V of Werle-Güstrow (1339-1378) R. 1360-1378
      • Maria of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1365-1402) M. Wartislaw VII, Duke of Pomerania (1364-1395)
        • House of Griffin
      • Ingeborg (??-??), an abbess
    • Albert I and II, King of Sweden, Norway and Denmark (1338-1412) R. 1364(1384)(1390)-1412
M. 1359 Richardis of Schwerin (1347-1380)​
  • Eric XIII, II and VII, King of Sweden, Norway and Denmark (1365-1419) R. 1412-1419
  • Richardis Catherine of Sweden, Norway and Denmark (1371-1406)
M. 1396 Agnes of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1356-1432)​
  • Albert V, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1397-1423) R. 1412-1423

  • Magnus of Mecklenburg (1339-1370)
  • Ingeborg of Mecklenburg (1340-1395) M. 1366 Henry II, Count of Holstein-Rendsburg (1317-1384) R. 1340-1384
    • House of Schauenberg (Rendsburg branch)
  • Anna of Mecklenburg (1343-1415) M. 1362 Adolf VII of Holstein-Kiel (1327-1390) R. 1359-
    • House of Schauenberg (Kiel branch)

  • Agnes (1320-1340) M. 1338 Nicholas III, Lord of Werle-Güstrow (c. 1315-1360)
    • House of Mecklenburg (Werle-Güstrow branch)
  • Beatrix (1324-), a nun
  • John I, Duke of Mecklenburg-Stargard (1326-) R. 1348- M. ?? Anna of Pinneburg (??-1358)
    • House of Mecklenburg-Stargard
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Another little favourite of mine:

David Stewart, Duke of Rothesay marries Elizabeth daughter of the Earl of March and consequently manages to avoid his otl death in 1402.

David III of Scotland Reigned: 1406-1420 (b.1378: d. 1428) m Elizabeth Dunbar (b.1380)

Issue:

Robert IV of Scotland (b.1399)

James, Earl of Buchan (b.1402)

Anabella of Scotland (b.1405)

Christina of Scotland (b.1410)

George, Bishop of Glasgow (b.1415)
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Lockdown has given my brain far too much time to think, so here, have another one:

David II of Scotland (b.1324: d.1371) m 1stly Joan of England (b.1321: d.1362) m 2nd Margaret Drummond (b.1340)

Issue:

1a) Robert III of Scotland (b.1348)

2a) David, Earl of Perth (b.1366)

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Robert III of Scotland would be born in England, during his father's imprisonment in the Tower of London following the failed Battle of Neville's Cross, as part of the terms of his release, David would agree to leave his son in England as a ward for his good behaviour, thus ensuring that when Robert would be sent back to Scotland aged fifteen in 1363, he was seen by many as more English than Scottish and would have a long time to adapt to changing circumstances of his homeland. When his father died in 1371, Robert then aged 23 would be faced with a challenge to his throne in the form of his half brother David, Earl of Perth and his half brother's family the Drummonds.
 
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