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Good afternoon Ace
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2024 12:01 PM (XGfg7) 2
Whoops! Whoopsie!
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 26, 2024 12:01 PM (DTX3h) 3
that street level shot is crazy
Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:02 PM (CIS44) 4
"Massive Container Ship Smashes Into Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge, Utterly Destroying It"
Isn't this the story of Joe Biden's America? Posted by: fd at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (vFG9F) 5
Hi Ace
The only positive is that it happened iint he middle of the night or it would have been an even greater disaster. Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (t/2Uw) 6
This was always an irrational fear of mine...or maybe not.
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (AwYPR) 7
Thanks Obama!
Posted by: That Guy at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (JCZqz) 8
well more than "moments" I've seen it reported that they issued a mayday 8 minutes before they hit the bridge pier. But big ships like that don't stop easy.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (i9ffA) 9
And terrorism was ruled out less than 45 minutes after the collision.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (QNSds) 10
afternoon skip and sharon!
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (KRtlO) 11
I am looking forward to the construction of the new, George Floydd Bridge.
Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (wgA3C) 12
As civilizations collapse, there are disasters and misfortunes. People in a collapsing civilization often think the gods have turned against them.
++++ They have. The Gods of the Copybook Headings. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (6bTRc) 13
Headline of the Baltimore Sun in 2 weeks: Trump indicted for fatal bridge collapse
Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (CIS44) Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (lzI4r) 15
I'm not sure, but I think that first video is the bombing of the Kerch Strait Bridge between Ukraine and Russia. Notice the big explosion, which didn't happen in Baltimore.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (CsUN+) 16
Lucky wasn't daytime, the deaths would be multiply
Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (XGfg7) 17
That's one of my worst nightmares...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (Akjoo) 18
Speaking of Kipling, events like these always bring to mind "Hymn of Breaking Strain"
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_strain.htm Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (6bTRc) 19
I didn't realize that there was an explosion, too. Yikes.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (9yWhg) 20
Longer video [sped up] here:
Ace @ThatUchihaGuy [NOT our Ace] Shocking footage reveals the start of the incident in Baltimore Harbor where 20 people are now missing. Our hearts are with Baltimore, Maryland. #BreakingNews https://tinyurl.com/ysbvxf5v 54 seconds; no sound Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (2yu8s) 21
I've been looking around at some stories on this, and it appears that the biggest issue is that Baltimore's roll-on, roll-off harber is going to be completely shut down for a significant amount of time.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (i9ffA) 22
Looks like a Slinky collapsing
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (J2vNu) 23
Heard on a report that it was piloted by a Port navigator (so not just the ship's Captain). So there will be someone with "local" knowledge (i.e. someone not from Shianghi-ran ship) to tell the story.
Posted by: s_tenhoff at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (2waQ7) 24
>>>15 I'm not sure, but I think that first video is the bombing of the Kerch Strait Bridge between Ukraine and Russia. Notice the big explosion, which didn't happen in Baltimore.
Thanks. I think I got swindled. Posted by: ace at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (KRtlO) 25
What exploded? Electrical cables?
Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (AwYPR) 26
What the hell caused such a huge explosion? Is that footage confirmed to be unaltered? Was the ship carrying hazardous material?
Posted by: PabloD at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (6xXEa) Posted by: Archimedes at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (CsUN+) 28
Terrorism and Baltimore?
That is pure fiction from Patriot Games Still where is the MV Dali registered? Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (lzI4r) 29
10 well more than "moments" I've seen it reported that they issued a mayday 8 minutes before they hit the bridge pier.
should've issued a shrove tuesday. Posted by: arnold j. rimmer, bsc ssc at March 26, 2024 12:05 PM (v3pYe) 30
I am looking forward to the construction of the new, George Floydd Bridge.
Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (wgA3C) It's Baltimore. Our local hero is Freddie Gray Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:06 PM (JunzL) 31
And terrorism was ruled out less than 45 minutes after the collision.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (QNSds) It seems like it was ruled out before the collision. I doubt a terrorist would frantically warn the cops to close the bridge he was attacking. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:06 PM (0FoWg) Posted by: The Tacoma Narrows Bridge at March 26, 2024 12:06 PM (Wnv9h) 33
In about 18 years, the George Floyd Bridge will be almost completed as a replacement.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (k0eIr) 34
It seems like it was ruled out before the collision. I doubt a terrorist would frantically warn the cops to close the bridge he was attacking.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice But see, that's the genius of it! Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (CIS44) 35
Speaking of Kipling, events like these always bring to mind "Hymn of Breaking Strain"
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_strain.htm Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) That's a great poem. Kipling was one of the greatest poets in the English language. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (9yWhg) Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (wgA3C) 37
I deleted the video of the explosion. Archimedes is almost assuredly right, this is just a bridge bombing falsely labeled as video from the story of the day.
Posted by: ace at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (KRtlO) 38
I watched carefully and it seemed clear of vehicles when it collapsed.
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (FQmDC) Posted by: Tom Servo at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (i9ffA) 40
The Sunshine Skyway bridge in Tampa has entered Chat
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (lzI4r) 41
Why did they issue a Mayday? We're still in March!
Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Member of Congress at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (PiwSw) 42
The captain of the Dali is apparently Ukrainian, for all you conspiracy theorists out there...
https://tinyurl.com/2vkt8ta6 Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (YAtuc) 43
As civilizations collapse, there are disasters and misfortunes. People in a collapsing civilization often think the gods have turned against them.
But usually it's because of the choices that civilization made before its collapse. Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace Deep thinker Ace. Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (t/2Uw) 44
Feels like The Fall 80% of the way through ‘Atlas Shrugs’.
Posted by: Legion of Boom at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (TEkdf) 45
I'm sure the Florida Schoool of Women Engineers (or whatever it was called) will get the new bridge contract.
Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (CIS44) 46
The reason we have these types of tragedies is because we do not spend enough federal money on infrastructure and repairs and maintenance.
Pleassssse call your federal representative or senator and demand they spend more federal money on these items, inner city Midnight BaseKetball and Head Start. For The Chirruns! Posted by: Smooth Brained registered democrat voters at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (9KyZG) 47
Lamont would not have made this mistake.
Also, 'Disinformation Expert'. It's not like you did not tell us. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (mPuaa) 48
Not to drift too deeply into cynicism and doom, replacing this bridge is going to be telling.
Under normal circumstances, a project of this scale in modern America would take probably 10 years. Environmental impact reviews, grease, vendor fixing, goldbricking contractors, etc. There are no public works projects, there are only jobs programs. If you get a road or a bridge as a consequence, that's just icing on the cake. So it will be interesting to see what happens here, especially when you combine the corruption of the FedGov with the corruption of Baltimore. My bet is that this bridge is either going to take a decade to replace, or it will be expedited through the process and be done in 18 months, but will cost a trillion dollars as a consequence because *everyone* all the chain is going not to wet, but to positively *soak* their beaks. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (6bTRc) 49
Remember driving over a bridge in mid-60's to mid-70's, I think in Baltimore, terrifying high, narrow curving approach.
Same bridge, maybe a predecessor? Anyone confirm? Posted by: From about That Time at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (4780s) 50
>>38 I watched carefully and it seemed clear of vehicles when it collapsed.
and one of the vehicles looks like a military jeep or Hummer. Archimedes is right, this is video from a different event entirely. Posted by: ace at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (KRtlO) 51
I wonder if any of the vehicles had dashcam footage that could be recovered
Posted by: weew at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (Ou9DR) 52
38 I watched carefully and it seemed clear of vehicles when it collapsed.
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2024 12:07 PM (FQmDC) the only lucky thing was that it happened at 1:30 am. But there are some presumed fatalities of motorists, it was a long bridge. Posted by: Tom Servo at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (i9ffA) 53
I'm not sure, but I think that first video is the bombing of the Kerch Strait Bridge between Ukraine and Russia. Notice the big explosion, which didn't happen in Baltimore.
Thanks. I think I got swindled. Posted by: ace - DISINFORMATION!!! SEND UKRAINE MONEY!!! Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (Wg1x4) 54
It's Baltimore. Our local hero is Freddie Gray
Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:06 PM Thanks...couldn't remember that living brain donor's name. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (Wnv9h) 55
The bridge had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (m0JEg) 56
Search and rescue operations pulled two workers from the water, one in critical condition who was hospitalized. Efforts to locate the other six are ongoing.
++++ I hope they find them. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (6bTRc) 57
the width of that pass is not an issue and ships in port typically crawl along...how in the heck that ship got so far out of its lane fleeting tugs weren't dispatched?
Posted by: DanMan at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (8uzBS) 58
14 In the art thread someone asked a very important question.
Where were the tugs? Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (lzI4r) If you have the time, mosey on over to eng-tips.com and look for the “Engineering Failures and Disasters” sub-forum. One of the forum members has a tug boat background, and he stated that there’s not much a tug boat can do if the ship is going faster than 6 knots. Ship tracking showed that the ship was going 8.5 knots when the power failed, and was at 7.5 knots just before impact. Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (9mfKN) 59
MSM are saying video with explosion was different bridge. Terror attack on Crimea bridge.
Posted by: Coki at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (Wkrcf) 60
Morning.
Feel bad for the dudes that are very likely dead but all things considered it could have been a lot worse. I wonder what the daytime traffic on that bridge is like? And will its eventual replacement, the Angela Davis/Mumia Abu Jamal Revolutionary Memorial Bridge come with torpedoes for just such an eventuality? Posted by: Robert at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (GGtY+) 61
Whoever was driving the SUV facing the camera that just escaped from being part of the carnage should definately play the lotto today.
Posted by: Cheri at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM (oiNtH) 62
Another appropriate Kipling poem...
https://tinyurl.com/k8348cp3 The Sons of Martha The Sons of Mary seldom bother, for they have inherited that good part; But the Sons of Martha favour their Mother of the careful soul and the troubled heart. And because she lost her temper once, and because she was rude to the Lord her Guest, Her Sons must wait upon Mary’s Sons, world without end, reprieve, or rest. It is their care in all the ages to take the buffet and cushion the shock. It is their care that the gear engages; it is their care that the switches lock. It is their care that the wheels run truly; it is their care to embark and entrain, Tally, transport, and deliver duly the Sons of Mary by land and main. Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM (2yu8s) 63
Closing the twelfth-largest port in the US indefinitely.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM (YAtuc) 64
So it will be interesting to see what happens here, especially when you combine the corruption of the FedGov with the corruption of Baltimore. My bet is that this bridge is either going to take a decade to replace, or it will be expedited through the process and be done in 18 months, but will cost a trillion dollars as a consequence because *everyone* all the chain is going not to wet, but to positively *soak* their beaks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT -Clay Davis Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM (CIS44) 65
>>I hope they find them.
They will find them next week, in a Blue Crab Special at a Bayside Restaurant. Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM (wgA3C) 66
Too cold or any survivors in the water, at least after the first 15 minutes or so.
Some of these foreign flagged ships seem to have lax upkeep on their ships. One slammed into the Riverwalk in New Orleans years ago. Same thing ... lost power. No early indicators of DEI being involved, unless there are some standards that were ignored in allowing this vessel on its particular course, idk. Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM (Cus5s) 67
I watched carefully and it seemed clear of vehicles when it collapsed.
Posted by: steevy Rewatch it. There are construction vehicles with yellow flashing lights parked on the bridge just to the right of the midpoint. They go down. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (IB/6k) 68
And terrorism was ruled out less than 45 minutes after the collision.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 26, 2024 12:03 PM (QNSds) because TSA keeps us safe from terrorists. Posted by: Kindltot at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (D7oie) 69
So it will be interesting to see what happens here, especially when you combine the corruption of the FedGov with the corruption of Baltimore. My bet is that this bridge is either going to take a decade to replace, or it will be expedited through the process and be done in 18 months, but will cost a trillion dollars as a consequence because *everyone* all the chain is going not to wet, but to positively *soak* their beaks.
I lean towards expedited. Anything around Baltimore or DC that might impact our betters happens very quickly. Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (2ocoG) 70
>>>59 MSM are saying video with explosion was different bridge. Terror attack on Crimea bridge.
yes, thank you, archimedes put me straight on that. On the other hand, P-Diddy... Posted by: ace at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (KRtlO) 71
What's up with all this bridge talk!?
Thank you,, thank you verrrra much LETS DANCE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLbOBoa8vD8 Posted by: Jimmy Carter at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (X4yCj) 72
Where will DU's deranged, "alternative" "logic" lead them in this tragedy? Make your guess before reading the thread!
The Francis Scott Key Bridge should have had fenders. Not sure how much those would have helped. The ship that hit it is close to the size of an aircraft carrier. Nearly 1000 ft long and over 100,000 tons of dead weight. The prevention is "don't hit the bridge." Well, perhaps then the design was faulty. Engineers are supposed to design structures to be safe and this bridge obviously wasn't. 1970's design. The bridge was built to take the ships of the day. There's going to be a lot of " shoulda-woulda-coulda" going on. This is a case of getting funds and time to update infrastructure. Consider the number of major bridges built 30/40 years ago that are just starting to need updating and retro-fitting, and multiply that by 20 for major bridges built before 1980. That's a lot of infrastructure that has been ignored or outright villified by GOP supply side/tax break deregulators since the 1980's. Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (JCZqz) 73
That will buff right out.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (3vcct) 74
Was on a call this morning with some folks who live in the Baltimore area and the general consensus was, as usual, the bridge was years and years overdue for additional work and strengthening, if not outright replacing, but you know ....more important things to spend money on.
Look up the mayor of Baltimore's presser this morning about the incident. He looks like he just put the Xbox controller down from playing Madden all night. I wonder if anyone has told him it's traditional for him to head off to prison after he serves his term. Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (wb1YC) 75
The good news is that the bridge can now be rebuilt with all-DEI engineers and construction staff!
It should be done in 2054! Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (YAtuc) 76
Remember driving over a bridge in mid-60's to mid-70's, I think in Baltimore, terrifying high, narrow curving approach.
Same bridge, maybe a predecessor? Anyone confirm? Posted by: From about That Time at March 26, 2024 *** I've read that this one was started in about '72 and finished ca. '77. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (J2vNu) 77
I could see three vehicles with flashing lights on the bridge and you could see one of them sliding down the bridge as it fell.
Gruesome. Watching the twisted steal and water come up to you. Must of been a hell of a racket. Posted by: pawn at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (QB+5g) 78
There is a video of the collision. I saw it earlier. For some reason there is a camera running 24/7 on this bridge. Probably for traffic.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (JTwsP) 79
67 Yes I realize the construction vehicles, I meant no commuter vehicles
Posted by: steevy at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (FQmDC) 80
The bridge had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism It didn't ram itself. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (9yWhg) 81
Remember driving over a bridge in mid-60's to mid-70's, I think in Baltimore, terrifying high, narrow curving approach.
Same bridge, maybe a predecessor? Anyone confirm? Posted by: From about That Time at March 26, 2024 12:08 PM (4780s) Sounds like the "Bay Bridge" near Annapolis....7 miles long w/a curve in the middle. Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (AwYPR) 82
Was on a call this morning with some folks who live in the Baltimore area and the general consensus was, as usual, the bridge was years and years overdue for additional work and strengthening, if not outright replacing, but you know ....more important things to spend money on.
-- Ah, so insurance fraud and money laundering. I had been so focused on it being an attack that I hadn't considered that, but it makes sense. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (Wg1x4) 83
I lean towards expedited. Anything around Baltimore or DC that might impact our betters happens very quickly.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (2ocoG) ++++ Not to mention that the hazmat detours could possibly snarl things up in the highway network for a hundred miles in every direction. I lean toward expedited, too. But I also expect that it will cost 12 figures as a result. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:12 PM (6bTRc) 84
Maybe the MV Dali was on it's way to catch some blue crab in the bay. For the new spinoff "Deadliest Catch: Chesapeake Bay".
Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:13 PM (JunzL) 85
Was on a call this morning with some folks who live in the Baltimore area and the general consensus was, as usual, the bridge was years and years overdue for additional work and strengthening, if not outright replacing
Precisely which government agency is responsible for the bridge? In Portland, the county is responsible for the bridges, for obscure historical reasons. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:13 PM (YAtuc) 86
This bridge is just another casualty of climate change.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 26, 2024 12:13 PM (pohLc) Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2024 12:13 PM (a3Q+t) 88
Remember driving over a bridge in mid-60's to mid-70's, I think in Baltimore, terrifying high, narrow curving approach.
Same bridge, maybe a predecessor? Anyone confirm? There's one just north of the Philly airport on I-95 that roughly matches that description. This bridge didn't exist until the late 70s. Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2024 12:13 PM (2ocoG) 89
I was there when the bridge was destroyed! If not for my combined SEAL and Delta Team training, I would not have escaped out of my Corvette that was 10 feet from the edge of one of the collapsed sections, traveling toward the gap at 95 mph, and then dived 250 feet into the river and rescued hundreds of drowning people! My word as a Biden!
Posted by: Joe the Hero (again!) at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (5fDan) 90
1970's design. The bridge was built to take the ships of the day. There's going to be a lot of " shoulda-woulda-coulda" going on. This is a case of getting funds and time to update infrastructure. Consider the number of major bridges built 30/40 years ago that are just starting to need updating and retro-fitting, and multiply that by 20 for major bridges built before 1980. That's a lot of infrastructure that has been ignored or outright villified by GOP supply side/tax break deregulators since the 1980's.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (JCZqz) Hey Dimwit... What about your hero Biden's Infrastructure bill ? Where did all that money go ? No doubt to remove racist freeways Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (Akjoo) 91
Biden is supposed to speak about the bridge in 15 minutes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (63Dwl) 92
Not to pick at nits, but this is not technically a collision. When a sailing vessel strikes an object such as a bridge, pier, wharf, or whatever, the proper term for this is 'allision,' because only one of them was moving. I knew no one in the MSM would get this right for lots of reasons.
Posted by: Brant Fagan at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (TFGP1) 93
Remember driving over a bridge in mid-60's to mid-70's, I think in Baltimore, terrifying high, narrow curving approach.
Same bridge, maybe a predecessor? Anyone confirm? Posted by: From about That Time at March 26, 2024 Are you thinking of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge? It's very high. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (9yWhg) 94
..Baltimore's former Francis Scott Key Bridge..to be rebuilt as the George Floyd BLM Bridge...
Posted by: Candidus at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (V1yiu) 95
There's a good video on Facebook that shows the ship losing power, (total blackout) & large plume of black smoke out the backside, re-establishing power, losing it a second time, re-establishing power a second time, then hitting bridge and losing power for a third time as the bridge comes down on the ship.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (IB/6k) 96
91 Biden is supposed to speak about the bridge in 15 minutes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (63Dwl) So they finally woke him up Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (Akjoo) 97
Not to pick at nits, but this is not technically a collision. When a sailing vessel strikes an object such as a bridge, pier, wharf, or whatever, the proper term for this is 'allision,' because only one of them was moving. I knew no one in the MSM would get this right for lots of reasons.
Posted by: Brant Fagan much in the same way that hitting a deer is not covered by "collision" insurance. Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:15 PM (CIS44) 98
Electrification is going to be lit.
Posted by: I don't know how to say this so I'll just say this at March 26, 2024 12:15 PM (vwiot) 99
91 Biden is supposed to speak about the bridge in 15 minutes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (63Dwl) Any takers on betting if Beau gets mentioned? Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 26, 2024 12:15 PM (N39Ws) 100
74 When I saw Hizzoner the Mayor standing behind some old guy talking, I thought he was just some rando who squeezed in to get on TV. I was thinking local dishwasher or maybe a squeegee guy that cleaned up a bit.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (0EOe9) 101
>>Biden is supposed to speak about the bridge in 15 minutes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM Beau died on that bridge. Posted by: huerfano at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (qeiBW) 102
I'm not sure, but I think that first video is the bombing of the Kerch Strait Bridge between Ukraine and Russia.
Yep, the Ukes smuggled explosives onto a civilian truck, turning the Russian truck driver into an unknowing suicide bomber. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (YAtuc) 103
Biden is supposed to speak about the bridge in 15 minutes.
*** What's the over / under on him saying he helped Francis Scott Key with the Star-Spangled Banner? Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (wb1YC) 104
99 91 Biden is supposed to speak about the bridge in 15 minutes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (63Dwl) Any takers on betting if Beau gets mentioned? Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 26, 2024 12:15 PM (N39Ws) And Trump is blamed Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (Akjoo) 105
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Posted by: Joe Biteum at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (vFG9F) 106
Precisely which government agency is responsible for the bridge?
------------- Baltimore City Public Schools (BCPS) Erector Set Builders Club. Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (2F9za) 107
Any takers on betting if Beau gets mentioned?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed Beau died when the bridge on the river kwai collapsed. My word as a Biden. Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (CIS44) 108
hiya
Posted by: JT at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (T4tVD) 109
Why would anyone put out something like this? Oh year, because the world is full of jackasses.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (d2bW3) 110
Psst. Call us!
Posted by: The Florida All-Girl Footbridge Engineering Team at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (vtRd1) 111
That's quite a flimsy-looking bridge. The idea that massive container ships would be anywhere near there seems risky. I'm not sure where this ship was supposed to be. It couldn't make it under the bridge. Was it supposed to be anywhere near the bridge?
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (iFTx/) 112
I hope they find them.
They will find them next week, in a Blue Crab Special at a Bayside Restaurant. Posted by: garrett at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM (wgA3C) So Heartless! So Cruel! Why I don't even know some of you people! Hate Has No Home Here! (dials Joe's Crab Shack for reservations for 2 for next Tuesday) Posted by: Reverend Martha Lesbean, LGQTBXYZ Advocate And Seafood Loving Wiccan at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (9KyZG) 113
Not to pick at nits, but this is not technically a collision. When a sailing vessel strikes an object such as a bridge, pier, wharf, or whatever, the proper term for this is 'allision,' because only one of them was moving. I knew no one in the MSM would get this right for lots of reasons.
Posted by: Brant Fagan - this is why I come here. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (Wg1x4) 114
It seems like it was ruled out before the collision. I doubt a terrorist would frantically warn the cops to close the bridge he was attacking.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:06 PM (0FoWg) The pilot need not be a party to the terror plot. Kill power to the engines, and he's helpless to prevent the collision. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (tkR6S) 115
It's a good opportunity to create bicycle and pedestrian lanes and cut down on the vehicle lanes for the environment.
Posted by: DEI Shaneequa at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (V5BDR) 116
Market value on Truth Social up to $6 billion.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (0EOe9) Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (lzI4r) 118
If you use Google Maps and go to the "Street View" of the FSK Bridge you'll notice it looks pretty beat.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (Q4IgG) 119
saw video on fox news or biz news this morning. ship hits bridge. boom down goes the bridge. lucky it was in the middle of the night
Posted by: gnats local 678 at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (B1FKF) 120
Any word on whether the captain's last name is Schettino?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (vtRd1) Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (gSZYf) 122
Some of these foreign flagged ships seem to have lax upkeep on their ships. One slammed into the Riverwalk in New Orleans years ago. Same thing ... lost power.
No early indicators of DEI being involved, unless there are some standards that were ignored in allowing this vessel on its particular course, idk. Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2024 *** The Riverwalk thing: It was a Saturday a week or two before Christmas. I'd considered going over there to do some shopping, and changed my mind. As far as I know, the ship that lost power struck the shopping center and its on-the-water promenade a glancing blow -- but a "glancing blow" from a container vessel like that still results in pretty horrific damage. From what I remmber from the time, the ship's captain did everything he coujld to restore power and avoid hitting the wharf. Then he went in blasting his ship's horn to warn people to get away. Might have saved a few lives. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (J2vNu) 123
What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (lzI4r) Good question Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (Akjoo) 124
My bet is that this bridge is either going to take a decade to replace, or it will be expedited through the process and be done in 18 months, but will cost a trillion dollars as a consequence because *everyone* all the chain is going not to wet, but to positively *soak* their beaks.
Also in ZeroHedge is an article where the Baltimore budget for police has been reduced by another $22M leaving whole neighborhoods grossly understaffed. In an article last year, Baltimore schools are just kennels where few graduates can even read. Baltimore is dead. Depends on what happens politically next - will they attempt to plunder the insureres and owners of the ship? If so, actuarials for other shipping insurers might just consider Baltimore to be too expensive a port. Being the 9th largest domestic port, it will be interesting to see how other ports will be used, and how much traffic returns as car and coal exporters (the major port traffic) work out new contracts and routes with the entire chain of transport. Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (TfEvu) 125
Some of these foreign flagged ships seem to have lax upkeep on their ships. One slammed into the Riverwalk in New Orleans years ago. Same thing ... lost power.
No early indicators of DEI being involved, unless there are some standards that were ignored in allowing this vessel on its particular course, idk. Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2024 12:10 PM There would have been a harbor pilot on board at the time of the crash. Pretty sure he is now in the custody of the NTSB. Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (QNSds) Posted by: The Colossus of Rhodes at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (XeU6L) 127
113 Not to pick at nits, but this is not technically a collision. When a sailing vessel strikes an object such as a bridge, pier, wharf, or whatever, the proper term for this is 'allision,' because only one of them was moving. I knew no one in the MSM would get this right for lots of reasons.
Posted by: Brant Fagan My aim is true. Posted by: Declan MacManus at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (PiwSw) 128
Some boaty did something.
Posted by: Rep. Ilhan-Ilhan Omar at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (w9Wax) 129
What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
Posted by: Anna Puma a and only like half of that was to dig graves for Arkanacide victims. Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (CIS44) 130
Link to the eng-tips thread:
https://tinyurl.com/mpvstu3m Recommend you use an ad-blocker, however. Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (9mfKN) 131
123 What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (lzI4r) Good question Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (Akjoo) ========= "Those dumb fuckers thought shovel-ready jobs were a real thing." -Obama, slightly paraphrased from an actual video Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (GBKbO) 132
The pilot need not be a party to the terror plot. Kill power to the engines, and he's helpless to prevent the collision.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon -- I'm leaning this way until I hear differently. I'm guessing the power going off and on was when people realized what happened, a fight occurred, and power was restored too late. I wouldn't have thought anything about it except that the Important People came out and said "there was no foul play!!!" before the rubble had finished falling into the water. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (Wg1x4) 133
The Riverwalk collision happened in '96, says Wiki, and resulted in no deaths but 66 people injured.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (J2vNu) 134
Can't wait to hear how strict the preventive maintenance schedule is like on a cargo container out of Sri Lanka.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (wb1YC) Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (bZV5f) 136
The clean-up is going to take almost as long as the construction time.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (XeU6L) 137
126 As civilizations collapse, there are disasters and misfortunes.
---------- Tell me about it. Posted by: The Colossus of Rhodes at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (XeU6L) ========= "You steal one barbarian princess and one matty bit of ram hair, and the whole world is after you." -Jason Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (GBKbO) 138
My guess: Biden will make a false assertion about crumbling infrastructure and the need for more spending to make sure all the bridges and roads are in good order and his pockets are lined and all the commies have as much money as they could wish for and She-Hulk Season 2 gets picked up.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (mPuaa) 139
I sympathize with the dead as Beau was killed in a bridge collapse in Iraq. It killed his best friend, Bailey, too.
Posted by: joey biden at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (2yu8s) 140
Maybe the MV Dali was on it's way to catch some blue crab in the bay. For the new spinoff "Deadliest Catch: Chesapeake Bay".
Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:13 PM So...MV Dali....how are these first days of Spring working out for you? Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (Wnv9h) 141
There has been talk for decades to replace or augment the Key bridge. It would cost a lot of money, I mean a lot.
And for a bridge in a large metro area there really isn't that much traffic on it as I recall. Bridge cost an est. $110 million in 70s bucks. Posted by: pawn at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (QB+5g) 142
If you think the Francis Scott Key bridge collapse is unique and unexplainable, a similar bridge collapse occurred in 1980. The Skyway Bridge over Tampa Bay.
https://tinyurl.com/acs4bn2s Posted by: Gref at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (5fDan) 143
>>The pilot need not be a party to the terror plot. Kill power to the engines, and he's helpless to prevent the collision.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM Yes, boats don't have brakes. Posted by: huerfano at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (qeiBW) 144
And yes, I think those who fell into the water are probably not alive.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (d2bW3) 145
In related news, word on the street is that by some odd coincidence, this is the Historic First container ship with an all-lesbian crew.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (vtRd1) 146
That will buff right out.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2024 12:11 PM (3vcct) lol… I hear that in John Candy voice Posted by: LinusVanPelt at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (gZ3KO) 147
I wouldn't have thought anything about it except that the Important People came out and said "there was no foul play!!!" before the rubble had finished falling into the water.
But that's traditional. The FBI always announces that it wasn't terrorism minutes after any possible terrorist attack. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (YAtuc) 148
That fucking gov sounded like a bottom tier coach of a girls' lacrosse team after their 20th successive loss.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (KiBMU) 149
What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
Into luxury homes, cars, travel, jewelry, stock-market of Party stewards, donors and certain family members. Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (TfEvu) 150
What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
- It wasn't $800B one time. It was baked into the cake and was $800B year after year after year via the continuing resolutions. Trillions upon trillions and nothing was improved. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (Wg1x4) 151
Dang, bridge just folded up.
Posted by: javems at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (+PVrT) 152
Damn, that looks bad
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Anti-Marxist, buy ammo at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (xcxpd) 153
Fortunately for us all, we have a highly skilled Transportation Secretary to help us through this crisis.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (M/jpK) 154
138 My guess: Biden will make a false assertion about crumbling infrastructure and the need for more spending to make sure all the bridges and roads are in good order and his pockets are lined and all the commies have as much money as they could wish for and She-Hulk Season 2 gets picked up.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (mPuaa) ======== Proposal: A $1 trillion infrastructure bill that only funds infrastructure the way they funded infrastructure in the 50s. Afterwards, all governmental officials are forced to retire to a small island in the middle of the Atlantic to live out the rest of their days for a job well done in finally fixing our roads. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (GBKbO) 155
What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:18 PM (lzI4r) Crosswalks and traffic lights...in the middle of nowhere. Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (AwYPR) 156
The pilot need not be a party to the terror plot. Kill power to the engines, and he's helpless to prevent the collision.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 12:17 PM (tkR6S) ++++ But also helpless to *cause* it. I don't buy sabotage or terrorism, at least not with respect to the bridge. Talk about a long-odds gamble on an extremely unlikely outcome. Everything had to go perfectly wrong, and you can never bet on that. If sabotage was a factor - and I doubt it was - then it wasn't targeting the bridge and was more likely some disgruntled employee trying to stick it to his employer by fucking up the ship. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (6bTRc) 157
It's afternoon on the East Coast. I'm guessing by now a lot of maritime insurance agents have finished the liquor in the house and moved on to the shaving lotion.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (wb1YC) 158
re 117: a lot went to putting up signs saying this was financed by the obama recovery act. i vaguely recall that one project built a sidewalk along the side of a highway, the sidewalk itself went no where
one can readily imagine what king bark is shoveling here: https://am11.mediaite.com/ med/cnt/uploads/2011/10/obama_shovel.jpg Posted by: gnats local 678 at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (B1FKF) 159
I don't know how you don't get chumped more often, ace. A bunch of my friends had a conservative blog in 2010 and regularly posted stupid fake shit they believed.
Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (RDLZ/) 160
Can't wait to hear how strict the preventive maintenance schedule is like on a cargo container out of Sri Lanka.
Posted by: Azathoth ------- This never happened when it was Ceylon. Just saying... Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (XeU6L) 161
I don’t care how much “funding” you give this government, they will piss it away giving handouts to their supporters and waste it on bullshitt.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (JTwsP) 162
Yes, boats don't have brakes.
Posted by: huerfano at March 26, 2024 12:20 PM (qeiBW) And somebody's going to pay for this glaring design flaw! Posted by: Dewey, Cheatham & Howe, Class Action Tort Lawyers 1-800-SUE THEM at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (vtRd1) 163
Anyone have details on the ship captain? That's the kind of talent we'd like to poach, if he (or, even better, SHE!) is available...
Posted by: PACOM Navy Command at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (JCZqz) 164
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‘ This was always an irrational fear of mine..’ I went over this bridge when I was on a job interview. I remember thinking “Shit, I’d hate to drive off the side of this.” Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (jbnUc) 165
Afternoon Ace. Baltimore is already ten ways to screwed and now this happens. Murder rate will go up as well as carjacking do to the lose of income cover the next year. Yay Charm City
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (s6L+y) 166
On the upside, they can now acknowledge the recession we've been in for the last couple of years.
Posted by: Methos at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (Dnobf) 167
"The temperature was about 47 degrees Fahrenheit before dawn on Tuesday, according to a buoy that collects data for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."
--- Has anyone checked to see if this buoy has *adjusted* the temperature? Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (7fElN) 168
Some boaty did something.
Posted by: Rep. Ilhan-Ilhan Omar at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM Hey! Leave me out of this, bitch! Posted by: Boaty McBoatface at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (Wnv9h) 169
I wouldn't have thought anything about it except that the Important People came out and said "there was no foul play!!!" before the rubble had finished falling into the water.
- But that's traditional. The FBI always announces that it wasn't terrorism minutes after any possible terrorist attack. Posted by: The ARC of History! - Ha. Yeah, that's kind of my point. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (Wg1x4) 170
The Bridge Collapse would seem to me, at first blush, a pretty straight forward incident to figure out and asses, "Root Causes," and blame, it also would seem pretty straight forward to replace.
But I see many years of "investigation," and billions upon billions of dollars being required to replace one little bridge. Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (XV/Pl) 171
Biden* has a hard on for bridges and trains, just like every ten year old boy.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (qUkBO) Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:22 PM (TfEvu) 173
Oh you're for small government??? Then how come you like using roads, fire departments and having your trash picked up????!!!
Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (RDLZ/) 174
i would think a terror attack would be more likely in the middle of the day.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (B1FKF) 175
The lights (power) goes out just before the hit.
Could be a cyber attack. Or someone on board. Override and autopilot. Perhaps the power was shut down to try to stop an override. Dunno. Could be sleepy people. Druggies. The JEF brigade (as Tulsi said that they will do anything to stay in power - emphasis on "anything.") Could be DEI = Didn't Earn It hires. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (bZV5f) 176
This is a major roll on - roll off port. That will affect German cars coming in, and coal for Germany going out. As if they didn't have major problems already.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (lTGtQ) 177
Someone pointed out the lights went out on the ship multiple times before the collision.
Posted by: Max Power at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (q177U) 178
101 >>Biden is supposed to speak about the bridge in 15 minutes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM Beau died on that bridge. Posted by: huerfano at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (qeiBW) _______ He was helping his father rescue people thrown in the water from the bridge. Maybe we should rename the Medal of Honor to the "Biden Medal". Posted by: Eeyore at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (1bNHn) 179
You know, since losing power will usually be disastrous, you might expect a ship like this would have a couple of automatic backup systems for critical systems, like steering.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (pohLc) 180
I guess Charleston is going to get a whole lot busier.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (GBKbO) 181
What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
They decided that they weren't going to use the money for actual construction, since that would employ "burly" white male construction workers, so they steered the money to governmental offices, which largely employ women, particularly minority women. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (YAtuc) 182
167 "The temperature was about 47 degrees Fahrenheit before dawn on Tuesday, according to a buoy that collects data for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."
--- Has anyone checked to see if this buoy has *adjusted* the temperature? or, more importantly, whether it's a transbuoy. Posted by: anachronda at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (v3pYe) 183
But I see many years of "investigation," and billions upon billions of dollars being required to replace one little bridge.
Billions will be directed to shore up Baltimore and Maryland's depleted budgets. Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (TfEvu) 184
What's the over / under on him saying he helped Francis Scott Key with the Star-Spangled Banner?
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:16 PM (wb1YC) -------------- "And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air, Gave proof through the night that you know -- the thing -- was still there!" Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (2F9za) 185
Not to pick at nits, but this is not technically a collision. When a sailing vessel strikes an object such as a bridge, pier, wharf, or whatever, the proper term for this is 'allision,' because only one of them was moving. I knew no one in the MSM would get this right for lots of reasons.
Posted by: Brant Fagan - this is why I come here. Posted by: Moron Robbie Where else can you get your nits picked while you wait? Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (IB/6k) 186
Perhaps this was just an accident. But, "chaos is a ladder." And 90% of the Chaos is Democrat-made. Posted by: Soothsayer at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (QhfjI) 187
We can build a port for terrorists, but...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (Wg1x4) 188
181 What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
They decided that they weren't going to use the money for actual construction, since that would employ "burly" white male construction workers, so they steered the money to governmental offices, which largely employ women, particularly minority women. and signs. don't forget the signs that popped up all over the place. Posted by: anachronda at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (v3pYe) 189
Any word on whether the captain's last name is Schettino?
---------- The Paolo knows how to maneuver his vessel. Posted by: paolo at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (2yu8s) 190
Gref
#40 But yeah between 1960 and 2015 there have been like 18 collisions between vessels/barges and bridges in the US. The Tampa collapse killed 35. Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (lzI4r) 191
Fortunately for us all, we have a highly skilled Transportation Secretary to help us through this crisis.
If potholes were part of the cause, Mayor Pete is just the "man" *cough* for the job. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (vtRd1) 192
That will affect German cars coming in, and coal for Germany going out.
Posted by: Al Gore! at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (YAtuc) 193
Does anyone know if it would have helped if the captain had dropped anchor shortly after the captain realized hhe could not avoid hitting the bridge? I assume it would at least have slowed the ship down.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (CsUN+) 194
Gosh, anytime I hear the deserved Baltimore bashing here I think back to the early 70s. Some of us would drive up there for liberty. My best man was married into a family out on Pulaski Highway, old Polish neighborhood, "family" bar on every corner. Went up there once on official stuff and had to ask a cop for directions. He said "you won't find it, follow me" and took off on his Harley Servicar. According to some of the Charm City residents or recent refugees, the only thing left is the scrubbing of the stoops in front of the row houses.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (0EOe9) 195
And that little bridge was me!
Posted by: Kamala Wide Span at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (qUkBO) 196
Seems every day, every week at least, meat production, poultry, other types of food supplies, etc are being attacked and taken out. Every part of a society that people are dependent upon. Be prepared.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (bZV5f) 197
Is Mayor Pete going to be out there with Biden today or has anyone unplugged him from Chasten yet?
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (wb1YC) 198
Joe Biden was once a bridge captain, he has had to steer many bridges away from danger.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (EweFd) 199
Inertia is a stubborn fact.
Posted by: tubal at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (PCK5/) Posted by: Al Gore! at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (YAtuc) 201
191 Fortunately for us all, we have a highly skilled Transportation Secretary to help us through this crisis.
If potholes were part of the cause, Mayor Pete is just the "man" *cough* for the job. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:25 PM (vtRd1) He' wasn't called pothole Pete for nothing Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (Akjoo) 202
Look Fat, my kid Beau died on that bridge.
Posted by: President Potatohead at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (vtRd1) Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (jbnUc) 204
If you think the Francis Scott Key bridge collapse is unique and unexplainable, a similar bridge collapse occurred in 1980. The Skyway Bridge over Tampa Bay.
-------- There have been many, just not so spetacular. A list of major US bridge collapses caused by ships and barges: https://tinyurl.com/yc5jcpbh Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (XeU6L) 205
This is terrifying. I used to live right there, I have gone over that bridge countless times. I used to work where I could see the bridge outside of my window. My father, sister and brother still live in Maryland, so this is a place I have been and still get there often. My heart goes out to the families affected by this and prayers to those they are searching for. Clearly this is now a recovery effort.
Posted by: Piper at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (2UJ+q) 206
This is a major roll on - roll off port. That will affect German cars coming in, and coal for Germany going out. As if they didn't have major problems already.
Did Vicky Nuland get a private gig in the shipping industry? Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (TfEvu) 207
Just like the pipeline. Nothing to see here.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (bZV5f) 208
*spectacular
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (XeU6L) 209
This brunette in seamed stockings laments the tragic loss of life in this disaster, and prays that those rescued may survive:
http://tiny.cc/gplkxz Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (6bTRc) 210
The lights (power) goes out just before the hit.
Could be a cyber attack. Or someone on board. Override and autopilot. Perhaps the power was shut down to try to stop an override. Dunno. Could be sleepy people. Druggies. The JEF brigade (as Tulsi said that they will do anything to stay in power - emphasis on "anything.") Could be DEI = Didn't Earn It hires. Posted by: artisanal 'ette Bideo i saw had a huge plume of black smoke roll off the back end after the first power outage. Massive fire? Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (IB/6k) 211
Important distinction --
The whole Key Bridge (more than 1 mile long) has not collapsed. The Main Span (truss portion, 1200 feet long) collapsed. The approach portions on both sides are still fully intact. Seems as though the design held to an intended feature -- if the truss portion fails, it would not take down the whole bridge "system". The truss fell inward on itself, leaving the adjacent approach sections (relatively) unharmed. One pillar has been lost - above water. Is it possible to just rebuild above there? This is likely an oversimplification, but rebuilding a pillar or 2, then adding an new 1200 foot section of truss seems like it shouldn't take years. Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (JunzL) 212
@179
>>You know, since losing power will usually be disastrous, you might expect a ship like this would have a couple of automatic backup systems for critical systems, like steering. Could have been defective O-Rings. Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (XV/Pl) 213
Is Mayor Pete going to be out there with Biden today or has anyone unplugged him from Chasten yet?
Posted by: Azathoth He is reportedly en route now. Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (CIS44) 214
Thanks. I think I got swindled.
Posted by: ace --- Disinformation Expert credentials -- REVOKED! Posted by: Disinformation Expert Review Board at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (7fElN) 215
@143 Yes, boats don't have brakes.
-------- It's called an "anchor", and the boat reportedly dropped it just before the collision. Posted by: junior at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (aFC1o) 216
211 One pillar has been lost - above water. Is it possible to just rebuild above there? This is likely an oversimplification, but rebuilding a pillar or 2, then adding an new 1200 foot section of truss seems like it shouldn't take years.
Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (JunzL) ======== "We'll make it take years." -Baltimore politicians Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (GBKbO) 217
Yes, this is all well and good, but do we know if this will impact the Orioles decision to send Jackson Holliday down to AAA. Does this give the Red Sox a chance to win the division? Was the Steinbrenner family behind this?
Posted by: Mishdog at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (nIok5) 218
I guess Charleston is going to get a whole lot busier.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (GBKbO) That's all the need. Nightmare already. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (bZV5f) 219
and signs. don't forget the signs that popped up all over the place.
Posted by: anachronda - The people in the office I was in at the time laughed about it because everyone, every single person, had to replace their windshield at least once while those signs were up from gravel being strewn all over the driving surface or bouncing out of dump trucks. It didn't matter if you weren't following too closely because the gravel would bounce into you from the oncoming lane. One guy had his entire car repainted because multiple rocks peppered the hood, windshield, and roof. It was a gold mine for car repair services and insurance companies looking to raise premiums. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (Wg1x4) 220
Are there any witches in Baltimore?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (EweFd) 221
They decided that they weren't going to use the money for actual construction, since that would employ "burly" white male construction workers
It was that malignant dwarf Robert Reich who convinced the Obama Administration not to do projects that would employ construction workers. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (YAtuc) 222
What about the $800 billion Gaylord got for 'shovel ready jobs,' where did it go?
They decided that they weren't going to use the money for actual construction, since that would employ "burly" white male construction workers, so they steered the money to governmental offices, which largely employ women, particularly minority women. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (YAtuc) -------------- "Hey, h8r -- reparations be hard and expensive ... but mostly expensive, yo!" Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (2F9za) 223
Alternate Title: Claudine Gay Goes Boating
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (vtRd1) 224
I want to know what went wrong and why. Heads ought to roll for this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Anti-Marxist, buy ammo at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (xcxpd) 225
I'll be staying away from the East Coast
Posted by: Zeera , becoming ungovernable by choice at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (Uapen) 226
The water there was only 50 feet deep? That can't be right. How can a container ship stacked that high not fall over if its keel is at most only 50 feet blow the surface? I would think the keel would have to be much lower than that.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (iFTx/) 227
This was posted by a fellow moron on the previous thread. Everyone needs to watch this.
Good step by step analysis https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ Posted by: Thinking of witty repartee at March 26, 2024 11:52 AM (fwvPp) Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (iODuv) 228
138 My guess: Biden will make a false assertion about crumbling infrastructure and the need for more spending to make sure all the bridges and roads are in good order and his pockets are lined and all the commies have as much money as they could wish for and She-Hulk Season 2 gets picked up
and common sense container ship control Posted by: anachronda at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (v3pYe) 229
Bideo i saw had a huge plume of black smoke roll off the back end after the first power outage.
Massive fire? Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (IB/6k) ===== Husband said he thinks that when they got power back they tried to throttle back or throw it in reverse or whatever boats do. Posted by: Jordan61 at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (DRSnL) 230
One pillar has been lost - above water. Is it possible to just rebuild above there? This is likely an oversimplification, but rebuilding a pillar or 2, then adding an new 1200 foot section of truss seems like it shouldn't take years.
Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (JunzL) --- Probably not, if engineering considerations alone are taken into account. However, once the graft considerations are taken into account, this will take *years* if not *decades* to resolve and fix... Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 26, 2024 12:29 PM (7fElN) 231
Just like the pipeline. Nothing to see here.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette - They'll airbrush red hats on all the crew. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:29 PM (Wg1x4) Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:29 PM (EweFd) Posted by: Viton at March 26, 2024 12:29 PM (XeU6L) 234
Is Mayor Pete going to be out there with Biden today or has anyone unplugged him from Chasten yet?
Posted by: Azathoth He is reportedly en route now. Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (CIS44) Yeah. He'll make sure that all the rescue crews are appropriately diverse. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:29 PM (vtRd1) 235
Does anyone know if it would have helped if the captain had dropped anchor shortly after the captain realized hhe could not avoid hitting the bridge? I assume it would at least have slowed the ship down.
Posted by: Archimedes It's thought he did. Video shows a sharp right turn into the bridge. Kinda like how the Battleship Missouri made that right turn in the movie Battleship (2012). Dropped anchor, it grabbed, and spun it into the bridge. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:30 PM (IB/6k) 236
Biden knows all about the pain of a bridge collapse. He once collapsed a bridge to spite Colonel Saito.
Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:30 PM (RDLZ/) 237
"President Biden boasted Friday that he was known as “Sheriff Joe” during the Obama administration when he was put in charge of supervising stimulus spending, and said he wants to protect against waste and fraud in administering his just-passed $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill.
Biden opened his third cabinet meeting by claiming that he excelled at administering the $862 billion in funds in 2009 — not mentioning that the legislation became infamous for “shovel ready” projects that actually were slow to start and the Solyndra scandal in which a politically connected solar panel maker got a $535 million loan guarantee, then went bust." - Nov 2021 Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:30 PM (wb1YC) 238
Yes, boats don't have brakes.
If you don't count anchors. Posted by: Unknown Drip An anchor isn't going to stop a ship of that size. An anchor chain with links the size of volkswagens is going to snap like a thread. Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2024 12:30 PM (lTGtQ) 239
213 Is Mayor Pete going to be out there with Biden today or has anyone unplugged him from Chasten yet?
Posted by: Azathoth Old middle school joke....still getting his sh*t packed..... Posted by: Mishdog at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (nIok5) 240
@193 Does anyone know if it would have helped if the captain had dropped anchor shortly after the captain realized hhe could not avoid hitting the bridge?
-------- The info I have is that the anchor was dropped before the collision. But apparently it wasn't dropped soon enough. Posted by: junior at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (aFC1o) 241
Have we got any major publication articles blaming Trump for this yet? I set the current over under at 3.
Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (RDLZ/) 242
I feel so sorry for those that plunged. I cannot imagine the fear. The poor families.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (bZV5f) 243
Retardo will announce a safety stand down on every bridge involving an Interstate Highway. That will show 'em. Go long on toilet paper.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (0EOe9) Posted by: Lady in Black at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (mupln) Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (lzI4r) 246
Why didn't Captain Smith just pull the handbrake on the Titanic?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (GBKbO) 247
157 It's afternoon on the East Coast. I'm guessing by now a lot of maritime insurance agents have finished the liquor in the house and moved on to the shaving lotion.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (wb1YC) Liberty International Underwriters (Liberty Mutual Insurance) is having a bad day today. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (N39Ws) 248
LOL. Container ships can't break steel, Rethuglicans.
Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (TIizU) 249
http://tiny.cc/gplkxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) I think that's Katerina Soria. Joe Mannix's bringing the hot hosiery pics today! Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (9yWhg) 250
I used to go over that bridge every day to football practice at Annapolis, then I decided to let Staubach have all the glory so I went and played semi-pro in Canada where I was a logger and that's where I met Jill she was tied to the train tracks by Corn Pop, a train was coming and I saved her, she fell in love with me right away, I always say it was my Mounty uniform, anyways, looks like they want to me to leave now...
Posted by: Choo Choo Biden at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (qUkBO) 251
This impact on i.c.e. cars is textbook traffic calming.
Posted by: Bicyclist, Saving the planet at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (1PzR6) 252
For the want of a telescoping boat hook, a bridge was lost.
Posted by: Wm. Shakespeare at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (vtRd1) 253
Bideo i saw had a huge plume of black smoke roll off the back end after the first power outage.
Massive fire? Posted by: rickb223 -------- Win 11 update. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (XeU6L) 254
Trump was taking a tour of the ship and grabbed the wheel in an attempt to drive it to the capitol.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (EweFd) 255
183 But I see many years of "investigation," and billions upon billions of dollars being required to replace one little bridge.
Billions will be directed to shore up Baltimore and Maryland's depleted budgets. Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:24 PM (TfEvu) And to shore us up, to make huge kickbacks to Joe and his pals, along with additional donations to Democrats, by benefiting from no-bid contracts loaded with overtime, weekend time, and hazardous duty hours! Joe will demand he be able to cut the ribbon at the opening of the new bridge, no later than mid-October. Hang the expense! Posted by: Construction Union Chapters within a hundred miles of Baltimore at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (5fDan) 256
I'm waiting for the Bulwark article on this event that merges this event, Joe Biden, and the poem "O Captain! My Captain!"
Posted by: Intercepted The Bulwark Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (JCZqz) 257
Maritime shipping wonks say the ship had some sort of engine failure... the black smoke is a sign of something amiss. Could have been a fuel leak, pipes ruptured, something that caused a total power failure.
Not just once, but a couple times. So whatever disabled the ship was pretty severe. And apparently, totally unexpected. Crew competence is also a factor. Not only for driving the ship, but maintenance too. Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (Q4IgG) 258
Gosh, anytime I hear the deserved Baltimore bashing here I think back to the early 70s. Some of us would drive up there for liberty. My best man was married into a family out on Pulaski Highway, old Polish neighborhood, "family" bar on every corner. Went up there once on official stuff and had to ask a cop for directions. He said "you won't find it, follow me" and took off on his Harley Servicar. According to some of the Charm City residents or recent refugees, the only thing left is the scrubbing of the stoops in front of the row houses.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 26, 2024 *** Novelist Anne Tyler (The Accidental Tourist) is a native of B'more and might still be living in the area. Her novels are usually set there and make it seem charming indeed. But then she does not write crime novels or gritty, "realistic" fiction. Her Baltimore is more idealized, I think. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (J2vNu) 259
246 Why didn't Captain Smith just pull the handbrake on the Titanic?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (GBKbO) Fast and the Furious: Baltimore Drift? Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Anti-Marxist, buy ammo at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (xcxpd) Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (e/Osv) 261
We must give ships room to destroy.
Posted by: Mayor of Baltimore at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (XeU6L) Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (IB/6k) 263
Have we got any major publication articles blaming Trump for this yet?
We all know it's the fault of that guy who moved the Colts to Indianapolis. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (9yWhg) 264
Could have been defective O-Rings.
Posted by: Thomas Bender --------- Look, it wasn't me, okay? Posted by: Viton It's my guess that this joke will not be appreciated by most people. Posted by: Archimedes at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (CsUN+) 265
Why didn't Captain Smith just pull the handbrake on the Titanic?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (GBKbO) Pfft. It was just a little ice. Who's afraid of some ice? Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (vtRd1) 266
254 Trump was taking a tour of the ship and grabbed the wheel in an attempt to drive it to the capitol.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (EweFd) I laughed and I know I shouldn't have Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (Akjoo) 267
Yes, boats don't have brakes.
-------- It's called an "anchor", and the boat reportedly dropped it just before the collision. An anchor is more like a parking brake. If all you have, you use it, but it's not intended to stop the vessel, only to hold it in position once it is stopped. Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (sNc8Y) 268
I feel so sorry for those that plunged. I cannot imagine the fear. The poor families.
-- Amen. I feel for the families too. Just imagine the horrible loss of life had this been during the day. Plunging into the icy water trapped in your car has to be one of the scariest ways to have your life end. Posted by: Lady in Black at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (mupln) 269
I see no one is going with Pirates theory.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (bZV5f) 270
How many ships are now trapped in Baltimore?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (lzI4r) 271
"We'll make it take years."
-Baltimore politicians Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:27 PM (GBKbO) -------------- BREAKING: F. Joe Appointments Son Hunter as Baltimore Bridge Building Czar and Manager of Rebuilding Budget. Developing ... Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (d2dRs) 272
259 246 Why didn't Captain Smith just pull the handbrake on the Titanic?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (GBKbO) Fast and the Furious: Baltimore Drift? Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Anti-Marxist, buy ammo at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (xcxpd) ======== It's about family. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (GBKbO) 273
Why didn't Captain Smith just pull the handbrake on the Titanic?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison Fast and the Furious: Baltimore Drift? Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards Golf clap. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (IB/6k) 274
Dragging forward from the Tech thread:
Donald Trump can't even steer a boat under a bridge without hitting it. Why... when I was a young ensign, not many people know I was in the Navy, true story... I happened to be walking through the bridge on the nuclear submarine I was assigned to, well, the damn russkies has shot a torpedo at us and there was no hope for escape. It just so happened we were over an underwater canyon which I knew everything about because I did underwater mapping in the Navy Academy. Anyway I took control of the ship and dove us into the canyon. We ducked and weaved down the lane. At the end there was a sharp turn at a mount called "massive". I delayed the turn, the crew was about to mutiny! They shouted that we were out of the lane by a boat length! But at the last moment, I commanded full right rudder and starboard engine full reverse. Son of a bitch it worked! The torpedo missed us by feet! And I was hailed a hero by the crew, but I told everyone to keep quiet about it. True story! Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (EweFd) 275
265 Why didn't Captain Smith just pull the handbrake on the Titanic?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:31 PM (GBKbO) Pfft. It was just a little ice. Who's afraid of some ice? Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (vtRd1) ======= I blame the time bandits! They asked for plenty of ice! Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (GBKbO) 276
Someone pointed out the lights went out on the ship multiple times before the collision.
Posted by: Max Power at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (q177U) Watch this video. https://tinyurl.com/adf9zxw6 Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (iODuv) 277
You know who wasn't on the bridge at the time of the collision? Jews!
Posted by: The Squad at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (qUkBO) 278
Trump was taking a tour of the ship and grabbed the wheel in an attempt to drive it to the capitol.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy *snort Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:35 PM (IB/6k) 279
My office is in close communication with US Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott, Baltimore County Executive Johnny Olszewski, and the Baltimore Fire Department as emergency personnel are on the scene following the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge. I have declared a State of Emergency here in Maryland and we are working with an interagency team to quickly figure out how to spin this tragedy for political gain and graft.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:35 PM (EweFd) 280
Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment.
Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:35 PM (RDLZ/) 281
I blame the time bandits! They asked for plenty of ice!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (GBKbO) ===== *snort* Posted by: Jordan61 at March 26, 2024 12:36 PM (DRSnL) 282
It's probably time to fully overhaul the harbor. Make it BADASS. Baltimore was basically a dead city anyway. Scrape the city. If you can rid of Baltimore, and all its wonderful decision-makers, it's a place where people could do business. Just let it be a harbor with a small new city attached for support functions.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:36 PM (0FoWg) Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:36 PM (IB/6k) 284
Precisely which government agency is responsible for the bridge? Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:13 PM (YAtuc) Depends on where that asshole Bill Rawls is at. *fires up fax machine* Posted by: McNulty, Marine Unit BPD at March 26, 2024 12:36 PM (n+4am) 285
Authorities said that sonar had detected cars in the water, which is about 50 feet deep. The temperature was about 47 degrees Fahrenheit before dawn on Tuesday, according to a buoy that collects data for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
--------- That NOAA accidentally translated into 3,627° Centigrade in their annual report, skewing North America's average temperature readings for 2024 into hottest year ever in human history. Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 26, 2024 12:36 PM (2yu8s) 286
Since it's Baltimore they can save a lot of money on cleanup costs. Just leave all the wreckage laying out there for a few days and I guarantee you it'll disappear.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:36 PM (wb1YC) 287
Can't wait for the presser when Mayor Pete tries to project an air of knowledgeable insight.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:36 PM (XeU6L) 288
An anchor isn't going to stop a ship of that size. An anchor chain with links the size of volkswagens is going to snap like a thread. Perhaps, but anchors don't weld themselves to the sea bottom, they tend to drag along - kind of like how when traditional brakes are applied don't spike a vehicle to the tarmac. Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (TfEvu) 289
BREAKING: F. Joe Appointments Son Hunter as Baltimore Bridge Building Czar and Manager of Rebuilding Budget. Developing ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 12:34 PM (d2dRs) After her incredible work solving the border crisis, nobody deserves this appointment more than Kamala. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (vtRd1) 290
Republicans voted against this bridge!!
Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (RDLZ/) 291
Vince Young gets sucker punched by a little skinny dude and goes down like the FSK bridge.
http://tiny.cc/8qlkxz Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (Odg76) 292
This brunette in seamed stockings laments the tragic loss of life in this disaster, and prays that those rescued may survive:
http://tiny.cc/gplkxz Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (6bTRc) Nooo, graffiti on both arms, why? Posted by: spindrift at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (OguvZ) 293
@267 An anchor is more like a parking brake. If all you have, you use it, but it's not intended to stop the vessel, only to hold it in position once it is stopped.
-------- As the anchor drags along the ground, it will slow the ship. It's not an optimal solution, but it will work in an emergency, and assuming the anchor chain is longer than the water is deep. Posted by: junior at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (aFC1o) 294
I have no comment on Doof's truss, but have to wonder about the pothole guys. I suspect they worried about being hit by cars, trucks, etc., but probably not be being hit by a fully-loaded container ship.
Posted by: It's Always Something at March 26, 2024 12:38 PM (V5BDR) 295
Can't wait for the presser when Mayor Pete tries to project an air of knowledgeable insight.
He can crib from the Fact Checkers on X who just yesterday were SEC finance experts and the day before were real-estate lawyers and land appraisers and the day before that were experts on rail safety. Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:38 PM (TfEvu) 296
assuming the anchor chain is longer than the water is deep.
Posted by: junior That's what she said! Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:38 PM (IB/6k) 297
89 I was there when the bridge was destroyed! If not for my combined SEAL and Delta Team training, I would not have escaped out of my Corvette that was 10 feet from the edge of one of the collapsed sections, traveling toward the gap at 95 mph, and then dived 250 feet into the river and rescued hundreds of drowning people! My word as a Biden!
Posted by: Joe the Hero (again!) at March 26, 2024 12:14 PM (5fDan) Confirmed. I was there. Posted by: Brian Williams at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (PiwSw) 298
Video I saw this morning did not have any explosion or fire I noticed, just a big boat hitting a pylon...stanchion(?) whatever it's called.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (mPuaa) 299
227 This was posted by a fellow moron on the previous thread. Everyone needs to watch this.
Good step by step analysis https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ Posted by: Thinking of witty repartee at March 26, 2024 11:52 AM (fwvPp) Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at March 26, 2024 12:28 PM (iODuv) __________ Ahh, now I understand. The ship was supposed to go UNDER the bridge. (It doesn't look like it would fit under the bridge, but whatevs.) What happened was the ship veered off from its path that would have taken it under the middle part of the bridge, and ended up hitting a pillar. Posted by: Elric Blade at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (iFTx/) 300
As the anchor drags along the ground, it will slow the ship. It's not an optimal solution, but it will work in an emergency, and assuming the anchor chain is longer than the water is deep.
Lemme check. *unzips pants* Posted by: Black Guy #2 at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (vtRd1) 301
Nooo, graffiti on both arms, why?
Posted by: spindrift Shit. I missed those the first time. Instant disqualification. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (9yWhg) Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (lzI4r) 303
211 Important distinction --
The whole Key Bridge (more than 1 mile long) has not collapsed. The Main Span (truss portion, 1200 feet long) collapsed. The approach portions on both sides are still fully intact. Seems as though the design held to an intended feature -- if the truss portion fails, it would not take down the whole bridge "system". The truss fell inward on itself, leaving the adjacent approach sections (relatively) unharmed. One pillar has been lost - above water. Is it possible to just rebuild above there? This is likely an oversimplification, but rebuilding a pillar or 2, then adding an new 1200 foot section of truss seems like it shouldn't take years. Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (JunzL) Depends on the design specs based on X number of EV cars and trucks, with their heavy batteries, stalled on the bridge. That will be the largest 'live load' the bridge must support. Posted by: Construction Union Chapters within a hundred miles of Baltimore at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (5fDan) 304
You know who wasn't on the bridge at the time of the collision? Jews!
Posted by: The Squad ------- Iceberg! Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 26, 2024 12:39 PM (2yu8s) Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 26, 2024 12:40 PM (z+89e) 306
Since it's Baltimore they can save a lot of money on cleanup costs. Just leave all the wreckage laying out there for a few days and I guarantee you it'll disappear.
Spread a rumor that the bridge was made of copper? Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:40 PM (TfEvu) Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 26, 2024 12:40 PM (RDLZ/) 308
Nooo, graffiti on both arms, why?
- Shit. I missed those the first time. Instant disqualification. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus - And stupid looking jailhouse style tattoos at that. Put one here! Put another one here! Yeah! That looks great! Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:41 PM (Wg1x4) 309
Someone pointed out the lights went out on the ship multiple times before the collision.
Posted by: Max Power at March 26, 2024 12:23 PM (q177U) The bridge had it's high beams on.* *I denounce myself Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:41 PM (mPuaa) 310
From the BBC:
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves" Yep, whoever had Freddie Grey Memorial Bridge called it. Posted by: bed head at March 26, 2024 12:41 PM (Y1sOo) 311
This brunette in seamed stockings laments the tragic loss of life in this disaster, and prays that those rescued may survive:
http://tiny.cc/gplkxz Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (6bTRc) Nice, but I find the product placement offensive. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:41 PM (vtRd1) 312
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
Yep, whoever had Freddie Grey Memorial Bridge called it. Posted by: bed head - IIRC Baltimore is 70% or so black, so yeah. Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:41 PM (Wg1x4) 313
The thing is, with ships, you are in general control, but not instantaneous control. Not like a car, more like an iceberg.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (pohLc) Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (XeU6L) 315
>>> 58 14 In the art thread someone asked a very important question.
Where were the tugs? Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:04 PM (lzI4r) If you have the time, mosey on over to eng-tips.com and look for the "Engineering Failures and Disasters" sub-forum. One of the forum members has a tug boat background, and he stated that there’s not much a tug boat can do if the ship is going faster than 6 knots. Ship tracking showed that the ship was going 8.5 knots when the power failed, and was at 7.5 knots just before impact. Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 26, 2024 12:09 PM (9mfKN) Then what's the point of having tugs at all? or were the retards going too fcking fast for their location and size? Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (llON8) 316
Katerina Soria.
I am much more forgiving of ink than some of my brethren here. What's a little hepatitis? Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (mPuaa) 317
You know who else wasn't on the bridge...?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (9yWhg) 318
@291
>>Vince Young gets sucker punched by a little skinny dude and goes down like the FSK bridge. Well, sometimes you get hit on the button and it's lights out. Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (XV/Pl) 319
> Nooo, graffiti on both arms, why?
There's at least one on her left leg too. It's near her ankle. Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (Odg76) 320
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (Akjoo) 321
Nooo, graffiti on both arms, why? Posted by: spindrift at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (OguvZ) It's an easy way to indicate "she does butt stuff". Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (n+4am) 322
Sabotage. Who wouldn't believe it?
Posted by: fd at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (vFG9F) 323
Former Baltimore mayor Mosby will never get anything named for her. Well except a municipal landfill maybe.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (lzI4r) 324
320 Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (Akjoo) Money, Donna. Money and grift. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (mPuaa) 325
The Pugh-Cummings Graft Sluiceway Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (0FoWg) 326
The thing is, with ships, you are in general control, but not instantaneous control. Not like a car, more like an iceberg.
Posted by: Xipe Totec ------- Kinetic energy is a harsh mistress. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (XeU6L) 327
I don't buy sabotage or terrorism, at least not with respect to the bridge. Talk about a long-odds gamble on an extremely unlikely outcome. Everything had to go perfectly wrong, and you can never bet on that.
If sabotage was a factor - and I doubt it was - then it wasn't targeting the bridge and was more likely some disgruntled employee trying to stick it to his employer by fucking up the ship. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:21 PM (6bTRc) Disagree. Huge ships like that move at a very predictable pace. And there are tides involved, too. If you know that it normally takes 40 minutes for such a ship to transit the bridge site on an outgoing tide, after leaving the dock, you arrange for the engines to fail at the 32 minute mark, and the ship drifts, helpless, with the tide into the pier. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (tkR6S) 328
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM Shoddy design, high af, nice wide span to give plenty of space to destroy, and named after Freddie Gray. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2024 12:44 PM (Wnv9h) 329
This may be the most economically damaging transportation accident in American history. Thank God Mayor Pete is AWOL.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 26, 2024 12:44 PM (2fIO4) 330
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? They are gonna hire the same sculptor who made the MLK schlong statue. Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:44 PM (EweFd) 331
The Pugh-Cummings Graft Sluiceway
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (0FoWg) ===== LOL Posted by: Jordan61 at March 26, 2024 12:44 PM (DRSnL) 332
Vince Young gets sucker punched by a little skinny dude and goes down like the FSK bridge.
Dropped like the prom queen's bloomers. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:44 PM (IB/6k) 333
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
*** It doesn't matter what you rename the bridge. Nobody in the city has the literacy level to spell it. Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:44 PM (wb1YC) 334
Amen. I feel for the families too. Just imagine the horrible loss of life had this been during the day. Plunging into the icy water trapped in your car has to be one of the scariest ways to have your life end.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (mupln) -------------- Reminds me of the Oakland Cypress (Double-Decker) Freeway collapse during the '89 earthquake at what would normally have been rush hour (a few minutes after 5:00 p.m. on a weekday) -- but had significantly less traffic that day because tens of thousands of baseball fans either took the day off or (like me) had left work early and were home in anticipation of watch the World Series game between the San Francisco Giants and Oakland Athletics. Wild. Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 12:44 PM (d2dRs) 335
> Well, sometimes you get hit on the button and it's lights out.
Yep. It's a good reminder not to go to stupid places with stupid people. It doesn't matter how tough and big you are, a little skinny dude can pop you in the face out of nowhere and down you go. Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2024 12:45 PM (Odg76) 336
Katerina Soria.
I am much more forgiving of ink than some of my brethren here. What's a little hepatitis? Posted by: Aetius451AD Stunning woman otherwise. As the wise Armenian Kim Kardashian once said, "You don't put a bumper sticker on a Bentley." Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:45 PM (9yWhg) 337
Bideo i saw had a huge plume of black smoke roll off the back end after the first power outage.
Massive fire? Looked like a diesel engine at full throttle. Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2024 12:45 PM (2ocoG) 338
176 This is a major roll on - roll off port. That will affect German cars coming in, and coal for Germany going out. As if they didn't have major problems already.
As far as the cars go, BMW and VW recently relocated their docks to the bay side of the bridge. They should be ok. Coal is fucked though. Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 26, 2024 12:45 PM (IGKzA) 339
I was watching a show involving the docking of an aircraft carrier. Even with every bit of navigational gear in the whole wide world they pitch a piece of 2X4 into the water and do some calculations with a stopwatch.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 26, 2024 12:45 PM (0EOe9) 340
Disagree. Huge ships like that move at a very predictable pace. And there are tides involved, too. If you know that it normally takes 40 minutes for such a ship to transit the bridge site on an outgoing tide, after leaving the dock, you arrange for the engines to fail at the 32 minute mark, and the ship drifts, helpless, with the tide into the pier.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (tkR6S) ++++ But it would have to cut out at *precisely* the right moment. The pillar is not a large target, and real-world variables are far from perfect - not to mention the apparent attempted response, power-on, power-off cycle, etc. I don't buy it as terrorism. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (6bTRc) 341
> How many ships are now trapped in Baltimore?
___________ AIS shows about 6-8 ships "behind" the bridge. No idea if they're due to leave now, or had arrived and will leave later. Smaller vessels, like fishing boats could still get out by going around the damaged bridge, but no idea if they are allowed to do so. Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (Q4IgG) 342
WH should be finishing up their first dose of Adderall. No sign of Biden yet.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (N39Ws) 343
Vince Young gets sucker punched by a little skinny dude and goes down like the FSK bridge.
http://tiny.cc/8qlkxz Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (Odg76) Jamarcus Russel > Vince Young Vince always wanted too much money. Posted by: Nick Saban, Got Out While The Getting Was Good at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (9KyZG) 344
I'm not going to give anyone crap for getting sucker punched.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (Wg1x4) 345
On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (Akjoo) 346
The DEI is just the icing on the cake. Everything started breaking down before it reached its current level. A low trust society with everyone cutting corners and graft and incompetence on every level.
Posted by: Max Power at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (q177U) 347
No matter how you slice it, some piece of that bridge is going to wind up clogging a whale's blowhole.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (vtRd1) 348
I don't buy it as terrorism.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (6bTRc) I wonder how many times 'FUCK!!!!' was uttered on that ship about 5 mins before hitting? Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (mPuaa) 349
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? The replacement will not be a practical bridge, it will be a profoundly expensive rainbow artistic monument to the martyred saints Who Built This Country. It will require Baltimore and Maryland officials to fly around the globe observing the greatest bridges; then the interviews of every LGBT+ Black Women Owned business that allegedly can supply an inspirational Post Modern interpretation of a bridge. Then the hustle with Babylon DC to get funding to pay Asylum Seekers to slap something together. Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (TfEvu) 350
At this point is better to err on it being shoddy maintenance.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (lzI4r) 351
345 On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (Akjoo) Makes things simple. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (mPuaa) 352
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (Akjoo) Translation: The Didn't Earn It Bridge Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (RDLZ/) 353
Hi all! Longtime lurker who lives in Maryland. Been watching the local news all day. From what I understand, there is a state law that requires all ships coming into the Port have a state licensed harbor pilot to bring them in. I'm guessing that is why the ruled out terrorism so quickly.
Posted by: Kimberly at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (wt+qN) 354
I think in the future I would have a tug crew on call 24/7 the appropriate distance from the entrance to the bridge.
This is going to effect the entire country especially the east coast. Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (MNhXM) 355
>>> 135
Black Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 26, 2024 12:19 PM (bZV5f) cygnet ;P Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (llON8) 356
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? It means that only minority- and women-owned firms will be allowed to rebuild the bridge. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (YAtuc) 357
Any Mothman sitings?
Posted by: Disaster Watch at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (Bz+20) 358
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? *** It means that before it's over the mayor of Baltimore is going to have a house on Gibson Island. Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (wb1YC) 359
The collapse originated in the wet market.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (EweFd) 360
> On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
HA! All that surgery to get camera ready for nothing. Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (Odg76) 361
We all know it's the fault of that guy who moved the Colts to Indianapolis.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (9yWhg) LOL! Coincidentally (??) -- the 40th anniversary of that is in 2 days. Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (JunzL) Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (ufFY8) 363
350 At this point is better to err on it being shoddy maintenance.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (lzI4r) I was thinking about that, but that much mass moving at any speed is an insane amount of energy. I am not sure you COULD make a structure that would be able to withstand a direct hit. You know, feasibly. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (mPuaa) 364
@348
>>I wonder how many times 'FUCK!!!!' was uttered on that ship about 5 mins before hitting? Every usage permutation of that word was probably uttered a couple a hundred times, in multiple languages. Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (XV/Pl) 365
Unless the harbor pilots name is mohammed mohammed bin mohammed al mohammed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:49 PM (EweFd) 366
249 http://tiny.cc/gplkxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) I think that's Katerina Soria. Joe Mannix's bringing the hot hosiery pics today! Posted by: Bulgaroctonus What about in a bikini with darker hair? Leaves less to the imagination...if you're into that. https://tinyurl.com/3hxjxvmf Never heard of Katerina Soria before, but she has a lot of nice images out there. Posted by: Donating to Nikki Haley campaign to further conservative governance at March 26, 2024 12:49 PM (JCZqz) 367
On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
*** I hope she ends up giving substandard hand jobs under an overpass to make ends meet. Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:49 PM (wb1YC) 368
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves" +++ You have got to be kidding me. This is the first thing that they think of? Un f'ing believable. Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 26, 2024 12:49 PM (t/2Uw) 369
Well the westside loop of the Baltimore Beltway is going to be a bit more trafficky for the next few years. Just think if the ship had lost power and hit one of the Chesapeake Bay Bridges?
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (W3T6M) 370
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? Stick a statue of Saint Floyd at the approaches and call it a day. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (vtRd1) 371
I was thinking about that, but that much mass moving at any speed is an insane amount of energy. I am not sure you COULD make a structure that would be able to withstand a direct hit. You know, feasibly.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (mPuaa) ===== My thoughts, as well. Posted by: Jordan61 at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (DRSnL) 372
310 From the BBC:
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves" Yep, whoever had Freddie Grey Memorial Bridge called it. Posted by: bed head at March 26, 2024 12:41 PM (Y1sOo) I was disgusted by the performances of the MD Gov and the Baltimore Mayor during the press conference several hours ago. Preaching that they are going to be there to help the community recover and 'be strong,' yada yada yada. They were essentially pandering for votes (as if they need to in MD and Baltimore, but politicians pander for votes at every public speaking episode). Yeah, sure. Will they be directing traffic at detours away from the bridge? Will they be handing-out water to drivers stalled on the detour routes this summer? Posted by: Gref at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (5fDan) 373
It means that only minority- and women-owned firms will be allowed to rebuild the bridge.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (YAtuc) LOL Yikes. The Yo Mamma Bridge Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (ufFY8) 374
That bridge may or may not have been a piece of shit. Not from Baltimore, so I dunno.
But from that video, I don't think any amount of maintenance would have stopped this. It blasted it to flinders like a balsa wood model. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (0FoWg) 375
I hope she ends up giving substandard hand jobs under an overpass to make ends meet.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:49 PM Why do you hate us? Posted by: Bridge Hobos and Trolls at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (Wnv9h) Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (WXNFJ) 377
Smaller vessels, like fishing boats could still get out by going around the damaged bridge, but no idea if they are allowed to do so.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (Q4IgG) ---- Probably not until they get the "all clear" from authorities. There might be any number of hidden hazards in the surrounding waters... Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (7fElN) 378
But it would have to cut out at *precisely* the right moment. The pillar is not a large target, and real-world variables are far from perfect - not to mention the apparent attempted response, power-on, power-off cycle, etc.
I don't buy it as terrorism. Me neither. As others have noted, failures on foreign owned and maintained ships aren't unheard of, and getting in and out of the harbor is probably the most stressful part of the trip for the ship's control systems. That's when "oh, that fuse always blows, we replaced it with a nail" rears its head. Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (2ocoG) 379
Bideo i saw had a huge plume of black smoke roll off the back end after the first power outage.
Massive fire? Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:26 PM (IB/6k) Might just be they got the main Diesel engine restarted, and put it in reverse gear, and opened the throttle wide open. Diesels often put out a plume of black smoke when working hard under load. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 12:50 PM (tkR6S) 380
The caption of that ship is going to be turned into Joseph Hazelwood the Capt of the Exxon Valdiz. If the Capt wasn't drunk he'll wish he was
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (s6L+y) 381
It means that before it's over the mayor of Baltimore is going to have a house on Gibson Island.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (wb1YC) That's that song from Jay Ferguson, right? Sing it like a true Baltimoron "out on Gibson AAAHHLIND" Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (JunzL) 382
@368
>>You have got to be kidding me. This is the first thing that they think of? Un f'ing believable. Because, to a Marxist, nothing is tragedy, and everything is opportunity. Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (XV/Pl) 383
Fucking Mushmouth is talking.
First thing he said is HE went over that bridge many times. More importantly, Beau went over that bridge many times. The "Beau Biden Memorial Bridge" has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (YAtuc) 384
On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (Akjoo) Guessing they don't want to become a "political" network. Gotta keep it honest. Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (RDLZ/) 385
At this point is better to err on it being shoddy maintenance.
Posted by: Anna Puma ---------- Probably, but control system design flaw is always possible. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (XeU6L) 386
Biden:
His Secretary of Transportation is on the scene. Leave it to Secy Buttijuice - no port of entry will remain untouched on his watch. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (N39Ws) 387
344 I'm not going to give anyone crap for getting sucker punched.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (Wg1x4) _____ Same. And although the post refers to a "skinny white kid," it looks more like a muscular white kid who seems to know how to throw a punch. It was a short, compact punch of someone who knows what he's doing, as opposed to the lunging haymakers that you usually see in barroom brawls. Posted by: Elric Blade at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (iFTx/) 388
The caption of that ship is going to be turned into Joseph Hazelwood the Capt of the Exxon Valdiz. If the Capt wasn't drunk he'll wish he was
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (s6L+y) How many cases of Natty Boh were on board the ship? Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (JunzL) 389
"Collapsed"??
Posted by: davidt at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (SYTee) 390
The thing is, with ships, you are in general control, but not instantaneous control. Not like a car, more like an iceberg.
Posted by: Xipe Totec ------- Kinetic energy is a harsh mistress. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:43 PM (XeU6L) ----------- Inertia is racist. Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (8IQBN) 391
383 Fucking Mushmouth is talking.
First thing he said is HE went over that bridge many times. Is that where he got oil cancer ? Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (Akjoo) 392
Speaking of engineering casualties...
Amphibious assault ship USS Boxer is still unfit for deployment. Apparently they ran one of their main reduction gears for an hour with no lubrication. It was a lowly seaman who discovered the error. And the ship's ChEng decided to hide the event from the captain for over a day. The US Navy is not what it used to be. Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (lzI4r) 393
Maryland Governor Wes Moore says the bridge will be rebuilt "in a way that remembers the people this tragedy has impacted, and honours the community it serves"
WTF does that mean ? It means nothing. He's a Democrat that's their strength. Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (NkT52) 394
They were essentially pandering for votes (as if they need to in MD and Baltimore, but politicians pander for votes at every public speaking episode).
The Maryland Democrat Party considers it a major disaster that Larry Hogan was elected and served 2 terms, and that's fresh in their minds so I'm sure they're doing everything they can to avoid it happening again. Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (2ocoG) Posted by: Moron Robbie - Done told that bridge twiced at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (Wg1x4) 396
345 On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (Akjoo) No one is more relieved than the accountant who would have had to sign off on her expenses. Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (z+89e) 397
@377
>>Probably not until they get the "all clear" from authorities. There might be any number of hidden hazards in the surrounding waters... It's also going to be a recovery operation for at least a couple of weeks. So no movement other than rescue/recovery ships will be permitted anywhere near the bridge Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (XV/Pl) 398
363 350 At this point is better to err on it being shoddy maintenance.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (lzI4r) I was thinking about that, but that much mass moving at any speed is an insane amount of energy. I am not sure you COULD make a structure that would be able to withstand a direct hit. You know, feasibly. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (mPuaa) This was a case of unstoppable force meeting a not-immovable wall. Posted by: Gref at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (5fDan) 399
How many cases of Natty Boh were on board the ship?
Posted by: Doof Man I drank A LOT of those the one time I visited B'More. Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (CIS44) 400
I was thinking about that, but that much mass moving at any speed is an insane amount of energy. I am not sure you COULD make a structure that would be able to withstand a direct hit. You know, feasibly.
Posted by: Aetius451AD I don't think a bridge could be built that would withstand 100,000 tons of ship hitting a support. Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (lTGtQ) 401
What's most important is making sure everyone involved had correct pronouns used.
Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (bWsRe) 402
The US Navy is not what it used to be.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (lzI4r) Well of course not, I am not there to lead the way Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (pVWRI) 403
>>First thing he said is HE went over that bridge many times.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (ufFY 
What a crock. Going over the Key Bridge to get between DC and Wilmington is way out of the way. Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (IGKzA) 404
Then what's the point of having tugs at all? or were the retards going too fcking fast for their location and size?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 26, 2024 12:42 PM (llON
Tugs only required to get the ship in the channel. Once it was in the channel it was under its own power and subject to the direction of the harbor pilot. Someone up above already said it, but that pilot is going to be spending a LOT of "personal time" with NTSB. -SLV Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (e/Osv) 405
Handjobs only really have one fit and standard SOP, I'd think.
Substandard, in this case, would be... well pointless. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (mPuaa) 406
I wonder how many times 'FUCK!!!!' was uttered on that ship about 5 mins before hitting?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (mPuaa) -------------- If you're a ship captain and you utter the words "brace for impact" you know you are f'ed. Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (2fIO4) 407
The caption of that ship is going to be turned into Joseph Hazelwood the Capt of the Exxon Valdiz. If the Capt wasn't drunk he'll wish he was
Posted by: Smell the Glove ------ Probably the pilot. But if it was a system failure (likely), there will be finger pointing, with no clear personal responsibility. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (XeU6L) 408
First thing he said is HE went over that bridge many times.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 26, 2024 12:48 PM (ufFY
Remember when Neil Armstrong died and the WH released a picture of Obama looking at the moon??? Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (RDLZ/) 409
Wow.
Mushmouth really wants to pay for ALL if the rebuilding of the bridge. And, the fucker never said "God bless America", because he is a Demented, Idiotic Fucking godless Commie. Sigh. I feel better now. Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (ufFY8) 410
I don't think a bridge could be built that would withstand 100,000 tons of ship hitting a support.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (lTGtQ) We'll allocate $50B to it anyway. - Congress Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (bWsRe) 411
Nooo, graffiti on both arms, why?
Posted by: spindrift at March 26, 2024 * It's an easy way to indicate "she does butt stuff". Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 26, 2024 *** Aka "tramp stamp" Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (J2vNu) 412
The Francis Scott Key Bridge took 5 years and $60.3 million to build and was completed in 1977. That's $303.8 million in today's dollars. I'll be interested in seeing how much more it costs to rebuild. Also considering they can re-use most of the piers.
Posted by: Brass at March 26, 2024 12:54 PM (Bd4ZM) Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:54 PM (lzI4r) 414
@400
>>I don't think a bridge could be built that would withstand 100,000 tons of ship hitting a support. Obviously you could, but it would be impractical and wildly expensive for no discernible benefit. Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (XV/Pl) 415
And the ship's ChEng decided to hide the event from the captain for over a day.
I'm reading Toll's three volume history of the Pacific War. Can only imagine what they would have done to a naval officer who pulled that stunt back then. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (YAtuc) 416
The Francis Scott Key Bridge took 5 years and $60.3 million to build and was completed in 1977. That's $303.8 million in today's dollars. I'll be interested in seeing how much more it costs to rebuild. Also considering they can re-use most of the piers.
Posted by: Brass at March 26, 2024 12:54 PM (Bd4ZM) $2B minimum. With $200M going to the big guy of course. Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (bWsRe) 417
We'll allocate $50B to it anyway.
- Congress Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (bWsRe) --- I'm gonna need that much just to study the problem. Fortunately, I work at a STEM university chock full of civil and structural engineers who will get right on it! Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (7fElN) 418
The caption of that ship is going to be turned into Joseph Hazelwood the Capt of the Exxon Valdiz. If the Capt wasn't drunk he'll wish he was
Posted by: Smell the Glove The captain had no operational control over that ship at that point. That was handled by harbor pilots brought onboard to guide the ship in and out. Worked with a lady whose husband was one of the pilot boat captains out of Galveston for the Houston ship channel. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (IB/6k) 419
380 The caption of that ship is going to be turned into Joseph Hazelwood the Capt of the Exxon Valdiz. If the Capt wasn't drunk he'll wish he was
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 26, 2024 12:51 PM (s6L+y) If a maint. problem this is true. However it was a port pilot driving the ship. Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (pohLc) 420
Fucking Mushmouth is talking.
First thing he said is HE went over that bridge many times. Biden's go-to in response to a tragedy is to make it about him. Usually it's via Beau, but he's skipped the middleman before. Posted by: Ian S. at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (2ocoG) 421
>>> 266 254 Trump was taking a tour of the ship and grabbed the wheel in an attempt to drive it to the capitol.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 26, 2024 12:32 PM (EweFd) I laughed and I know I shouldn't have Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:33 PM (Akjoo) It was scary!!! Posted by: Madison Cornbread at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (llON8) 422
There's another Key Bridge that goes over the Potomac from NoVa into DC. When I heard that the Key Bridge had collapsed, I at first thought it was that one.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (9yWhg) 423
BREAKING: Beau Biden has been identified as one of the victims.
Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (bWsRe) 424
And the ship's ChEng decided to hide the event from the captain for over a day.
I'm reading Toll's three volume history of the Pacific War. Can only imagine what they would have done to a naval officer who pulled that stunt back then. Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (YAtuc) --- Flogging would have been the least of that engineer's problems... Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (7fElN) 425
Bernice Johnson was on board, and pushed the red button she was told to leave alone.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (lTGtQ) 426
This kind of accident is just fucking INEXCUSABLE.
Posted by: sidney at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (Uy/WF) 427
That harbor pilot better be black, or they will jail him forever.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (0FoWg) 428
Fucking Mushmouth is talking.
First thing he said is HE went over that bridge many times. Biden's go-to in response to a tragedy is to make it about him. Usually it's via Beau, but he's skipped the middleman before. Posted by: Ian S. at Just be glad he didnt talk about the time HE had a bridge collapse. Posted by: BruceWayne at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (CIS44) 429
@403
>>What a crock. Going over the Key Bridge to get between DC and Wilmington is way out of the way. Wait a minute, I thought he travelled a million miles on Amtrak, how is also driving hundreds of miles out of his way to go over this bridge? Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (XV/Pl) 430
Maersk ship. Denmark. Scandi's.
Posted by: scampydog at March 26, 2024 12:57 PM (41CYW) 431
"Disasters like these tell us that now more than ever, it is vitally important that we send another $100 billion to Ukraine."
-- President Potatohead Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:57 PM (vtRd1) 432
They gonna have a tough time unloading that ship. I hope there aren't any storms while the bridge and containers are still on it.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 26, 2024 12:57 PM (pohLc) 433
423 BREAKING: Beau Biden has been identified as one of the victims.
Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (bWsRe) ======= Only one? Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 26, 2024 12:57 PM (GBKbO) 434
Perhaps we should havea discussion about the Jones Act.
Posted by: 29Victor at March 26, 2024 12:57 PM (M+gBW) 435
If you're a ship captain and you utter the words "brace for impact" you know you are f'ed.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken Red Shirts up! (Apologies to Star Wars & Captain Kirk) Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:57 PM (IB/6k) 436
"That bridge, like my dear departed wife, was murdered by a driver who drank his lunch."
-- President Potatohead Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (vtRd1) 437
@392 The US Navy is not what it used to be.
-------- I really hope we're not going to need a major war to get rid of this sort of crap. I also hope the lowly seaman who discovered the problem wasn't thrown to the wolves. Posted by: junior at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (aFC1o) 438
On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
Posted by: It's me donna at March 26, 2024 12:47 PM (Akjoo) And the left have absolutely no self awareness of their cognitive dissonance . Waiting for George Stephanopoulus to chime in . Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (MNhXM) 439
I don't think a bridge could be built that would withstand 100,000 tons of ship hitting a support.
Posted by: Thomas Paine I posted excerpts from a DU thread discussing "fenders" for the bridge. That was dumb, but a few commenters mentioned something called "dolphins" that are used for large bridges successfully...I'm guessing they mostly deflect ship strikes instead of completely stopping them. Here's an image: https://tinyurl.com/5k53vjx4 Of course, they're designed to deflect from the expected direction of approach, and this ship hit the column from the rear quarter, so even this thing probably wouldn't help. Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (JCZqz) 440
418 The caption of that ship is going to be turned into Joseph Hazelwood the Capt of the Exxon Valdiz. If the Capt wasn't drunk he'll wish he was
Posted by: Smell the Glove The captain had no operational control over that ship at that point. That was handled by harbor pilots brought onboard to guide the ship in and out. Worked with a lady whose husband was one of the pilot boat captains out of Galveston for the Houston ship channel. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (IB/6k) __________ If we don't know the identities of the harbor pilots in the next 12 hours, then we can be sure they were DEI hires. Although, based on what we know so far, it looks like catastrophic power failure so I don't know what any pilot could have done. Posted by: Elric Blade at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (iFTx/) 441
BREAKING: Beau Biden has been identified as one of the victims.
Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (bWsRe) ======= Only one? Posted by: TheJamesMadison He died six times. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (IB/6k) 442
Don't worry, Mayo Pete will save us.
Posted by: wth at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (v0R5T) 443
The Francis Scott Key Bridge took 5 years and $60.3 million to build and was completed in 1977. That's $303.8 million in today's dollars. I'll be interested in seeing how much more it costs to rebuild. Also considering they can re-use most of the piers.
Posted by: Brass at March 26, 2024 12:54 PM (Bd4ZM) Again - that was the whole bridge "system" - including the over-water approaches to the main span. Those don't need rebuilding. Pillars (vertical) can be reused sometimes. Piers (horizontal) not so much. Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM (JunzL) 444
Everyone on Twitter is now a ship and bridge expert.
Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM (bWsRe) 445
So is Biden on the good shit today or does he have normal eyes?
Posted by: Azathoth at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM (wb1YC) 446
And no replacement for USS Bon Homme Richard.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM (lzI4r) 447
Were there otters in the harbor?
Posted by: davidt at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM (SYTee) 448
I know what bridge collapses are like. Went through one back in my 130s. Bering Strait. I got trapped in Alaska and live off prehistoric megafauna til I got to the Great Plains. Word as a Brandon.
Posted by: Brandon at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM (0FoWg) 449
Do we know if anyone on the ship died?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (9yWhg) 450
Piers! Thanks Doof.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (mPuaa) 451
Just be glad he didnt talk about the time HE had a bridge collapse.
So I was out on the pool deck with Doctor Jill. We took off our clothes but wouldn't you know it, the bridge stayed collapsed, if you know what I mean. Fortunately one of the Secret Service agents had some Viagra. Really saved the day, and that's no malarkey! Posted by: Boe Jiden at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (2ocoG) 452
I'm surprised no one has suggested they eject the warp core. That always works on Star Trek.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (7fElN) 453
Baltimore was where people were stealing aluminum street lamp poles in broad daylight.
Posted by: pawn at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (XKNhI) 454
I drove over the F. Scott Fitzgerald Bridge many times.
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (lf83v) Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (IB/6k) 456
Although, based on what we know so far, it looks like catastrophic power failure so I don't know what any pilot could have done.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 26, 2024 12:58 PM (iFTx/) We told you assholes electricity is racist, didn't we? Posted by: DEI Industry at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (bWsRe) 457
Dolphin rape!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (2yu8s) 458
Do we know if anyone on the ship died?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (9yWhg) Leo DiCaprio is listed as missing. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (vtRd1) 459
Piers Morgan was on the bridge?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (lzI4r) Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (zdLoL) 461
The captain had no operational control over that ship at that point. That was handled by harbor pilots brought onboard to guide the ship in and out.
Worked with a lady whose husband was one of the pilot boat captains out of Galveston for the Houston ship channel. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 12:55 PM (IB/6k) ------------------ YouTube guy says the harbor pilots are there in an advisory capacity only. The captain (he used the term "ship's master") still has full control of the ship. Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (2fIO4) 462
Republicans voted against this bridge!!
Posted by: ... at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (RDLZ/) -+++++++- LOL. Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (8IQBN) 463
Were there otters in the harbor?
Posted by: davidt I'll bet it was that same a-hole otter who was stealing surf boards in Cali. Snuck into the Atlantic incognito. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (9yWhg) 464
NOOD don't say jihad
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (DRSnL) 465
Vince Young gets sucker punched by a little skinny dude and goes down like the FSK bridge.
http://tiny.cc/8qlkxz Posted by: bonhomme at March 26, 2024 12:37 PM (Odg76) ..."shot bar"?....sounds like a place to avoid. Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (AwYPR) 466
I'm surprised no one has suggested they eject the warp core. That always works on Star Trek.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel Chewy! Eject the warp core! Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (IB/6k) 467
444 Everyone on Twitter is now a ship and bridge expert.
Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM (bWsRe) _______ Well, they are also legal, asset valuation, and constitutional experts for the Trump hearings. These are very very smart people. Posted by: Elric Blade at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (iFTx/) 468
On a different note looks like Ronna McRomney is fired before she even starts at NBC
_______ But, but, empowering women!!! Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (lf83v) 469
Maersk ship. Denmark. Scandi's.
The story I saw said it was a Sri Lankan owned and maintained ship that Maersk had hired. Posted by: Boe Jiden at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (2ocoG) 470
I'll give it two weeks and Beau will have died on that bridge.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (fKIdX) 471
Baltimore was where people were stealing aluminum street lamp poles in broad daylight.
Posted by: pawn Well they sure as hell couldn't do it at night. The light they needed was gone due to the previous lamp poles being stolen. Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (WXNFJ) 472
The culprit to this tragedy is obvious. Climate change.
Posted by: Montec at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (bWsRe) 473
452 I'm surprised no one has suggested they eject the warp core. That always works on Star Trek.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 26, 2024 01:00 PM (7fElN) Reverse the polarity on the Heisenberg compensators. Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (mPuaa) 474
nood DEI Islamic terrorism
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (2yu8s) 475
Time for another INFRASTRUCTURE bill.
Posted by: wth at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (v0R5T) 476
YouTube guy says the harbor pilots are there in an advisory capacity only. The captain (he used the term "ship's master") still has full control of the ship.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken Then they've changed the way they used to do it. Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (IB/6k) 477
The story I saw said it was a Sri Lankan owned and maintained ship that Maersk had hired.
Posted by: Boe Jiden It's not gonna ceyl on to Sri Lanka now. Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (9yWhg) 478
Were there otters in the harbor?
Posted by: davidt at March 26, 2024 12:59 PM *shifty eyes* No. Why? What have you heard? *shifty eyes* Posted by: The River Otters at March 26, 2024 01:04 PM (Wnv9h) 479
What a crock. Going over the Key Bridge to get between DC and Wilmington is way out of the way.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 26, 2024 12:53 PM (IGKzA) Not "way" out of the way. Typically 20-30 minutes longer than taking the Ft. McHenry tunnel (I-95) or Harbor Tunnel (I-895). Sometimes the tunnels are quite backed up with traffic. The Key Bridge was always a decent and somewhat scenic alternative to the tunnels. Posted by: Doof at March 26, 2024 01:04 PM (JunzL) 480
Martini Farmer: "Smaller vessels, like fishing boats could still get out by going around the damaged bridge, but no idea if they are allowed to do so."
No way I'd tempt fate and test passage. And no commercial enterprise would allow it because of both personnel and legal risk. Yeah, this is going to be a costly accident. The bridge itself is only part of the losses. Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 26, 2024 01:04 PM (aXxgO) 481
What am I, chopped chicken livers? I'm an innocent victim of the system, dawg.
Posted by: Stan Tookie Williams at March 26, 2024 01:05 PM (Zz86T) 482
Oh, say, can you see
By the dawn's early light The foreign ships power it failed, took the bridge out while careening. Posted by: Francis Scott Key at March 26, 2024 01:06 PM (+oR7L) 483
Then they've changed the way they used to do it.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 26, 2024 01:02 PM (IB/6k) -------------------- The YT channel is "What is Going on With Shipping". I don't know anything personally about the procedures. Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 26, 2024 01:06 PM (2fIO4) 484
Remember when Neil Armstrong died and the WH released a picture of Obama looking at the moon??? Posted by: ... The not so hidden figure. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 26, 2024 01:07 PM (63Dwl) 485
But it would have to cut out at *precisely* the right moment. The pillar is not a large target, and real-world variables are far from perfect - not to mention the apparent attempted response, power-on, power-off cycle, etc.
I don't buy it as terrorism. Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 26, 2024 12:46 PM (6bTRc) If the ship loses power, it will swing crossways to the current, and drift with it. It's long enough, that if it misses one tower, it will hit the other. You don't have to be that precise with timing it. The object of the exercise is to fuck up the harbor, after all. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 01:07 PM (tkR6S) 486
Cool Baltimore story. Myself and a couple Jarheads, guests of one of the guys from the hood, are sitting in a corner bar and all of a sudden, a door opens in the bar. Beneath the door are two steps and an elderly lady comes down, dressed in a bath rob with hairs in curlers, carrying a big pitcher. The bartender refills the pitcher and she goes upstairs. "Who was that". Well, that was Mrs. Kopscinski. She owns the place.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 26, 2024 01:07 PM (0EOe9) 487
If only Trump hadn't cut spending to the loss of power on foreign ships in our ports budget while he was president.
Posted by: Libtards at March 26, 2024 01:09 PM (+oR7L) 488
YouTube guy says the harbor pilots are there in an advisory capacity only. The captain (he used the term "ship's master") still has full control of the ship.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 26, 2024 01:01 PM (2fIO4) Yeah. I heard the What's Going On With Shipping? guy say that the captain is always, ultimately responsible for the trip, even if the harbor pilot is there. The was a week ago I heard this. Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 26, 2024 01:11 PM (ufFY8) 489
It appears the ship was stopped by a concrete pillar that supported the bridge. It stopped the ship cold. There must be under water damage to the bow and the pillar somewhat unmoored.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 26, 2024 01:12 PM (vsQ70) 490
The piers for the new Freddie Gray bridge will be formed to look like black women supporting the lanes. And there will be extra lanes to give room to riot.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 26, 2024 01:16 PM (Cus5s) 491
That harbor pilot better be black, or they will jail him forever.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 26, 2024 12:56 PM (0FoWg) Fuck all the pilot can do if the engine fails, and the vessel does not answer to the wheel. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 26, 2024 01:16 PM (tkR6S) 492
Everyone on Twitter is now a ship and bridge expert.
Posted by: Montec ------ Leave me out of this . Posted by: Charles Goren at March 26, 2024 01:17 PM (XeU6L) 493
"Massive Container Ship" It's actually a pipsqueak compared to some of Goliaths that are out there. Posted by: Potato Of The United States at March 26, 2024 01:17 PM (t6XCL) 494
As I understand it. Harbor pilots take command of navigation until the ship is docked.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 26, 2024 01:18 PM (vsQ70) 495
YouTube guy says the harbor pilots are there in an advisory capacity only. The captain (he used the term "ship's master") still has full control of the ship.
------------------------------------- According to state law, a pilot brings the ship in, but it doesn't say if they pilot it out. https://tinyurl.com/32wpx2vx Posted by: Kimberly at March 26, 2024 01:18 PM (wt+qN) 496
The ship is named after the artis Salvador Dalí. Posted by: Potato Of The United States at March 26, 2024 01:24 PM (t6XCL) 497
As others have above, I'll also recommend the YouTube channel "What is Going on With Shipping?" -- Sal makes great videos about maritime & naval affairs. He put up a couple of videos this morning as the news was breaking.
In terms of the Baltimore port facilities, the vast majority of those are blocked behind the wreck of the bridge -- in particular, the Dundalk container terminals. There's the Sparrows Point complex just outside of the bridge, but that is mostly distribution centers for goods coming in through the container terminal, or being stored before going into containers. I understand there's some berthing there, and a maintenance shipyard & drydock, but it isn't a replacement. And AFAIK all of the very active coal and LNG terminals are also behind the bridge. So it's a catastrophe. Baltimore is even more screwed that it was already. Posted by: Stu-22 at March 26, 2024 01:28 PM (S5cMc) 498
496
The ship is named after the artis Salvador Dalí. --------------- Well...the bridge is now a surrealist modern art exhibit of sorts. Posted by: Stu-22 at March 26, 2024 01:30 PM (S5cMc) 499
392 The US Navy is not what it used to be.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 26, 2024 12:52 PM (lzI4r) In my day someone in that engine room would be court-martialed. Posted by: vic at March 26, 2024 01:39 PM (A5THL) 500
of course, NOOD
Posted by: vic at March 26, 2024 01:41 PM (A5THL) Posted by: scottst at March 26, 2024 01:43 PM (JviSl) 502
I'm sure the Florida Schoool of Women Engineers (or whatever it was called) will get the new bridge contract
FIGG Bridge Group (motto: Building Bridges as Art) was the responsible party for the FIU bridge. FIGG F.I.G.G Posted by: Chuck C at March 26, 2024 01:48 PM (yOPBE) 503
When the big diesels start up a big plume of smoke comes out. They could have gotten a load of crappy fuel and that caused the engine(s) to stall.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at March 26, 2024 02:38 PM (JNTt1) 504
What are they carrying on that ship?
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Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings) George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party" Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?" Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance Collective Names for Groups of People John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive" Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments John Edwards Campaign Excuses John Kerry Pick-Up Lines Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney Torments in Dog-Hell Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny More Margaret Cho Abuse Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed" Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means Wonkette's Stand-Up Act Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report! Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet The House of Love: Paul Krugman A Michael Moore Mystery (TM) The Dowd-O-Matic! Liberal Consistency and Other Myths Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate "Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long) The Donkey ("The Raven" parody) News/Chat
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