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I don’t get the reason people dislike louis Duke of Anjou. He’s a good traditional Catholic and has all the makings to be a great king. He isn’t even some radical absolutist. He seems like a caring father and would be a great king.
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Because he is illegitimate to be considered a French pretender since he is a descendant of Felipe V and Felipe V abdicated his rights to the French crown for himself and his descendants. And also he is just the son of a Spanish infante who was removed of the line of succession by his father king Alfonso XIII for beign deaf
I suspect that the Franco connexion is his greatest barrier to popularity. As legal issues related to the Franco Foundation continue (nothing to do with management, but as Loyalist elements dominate public sentiment on the remaining aspects of the Nationalist cause), this will be the one factor bringing him into public consciousness for some time to come.
I travel to Spain frequently and have crossed the country on foot over ten times. In many conversations touching the monarchy with a wide range of people, I have never heard his name mentioned outside the Franquist context.
You're right, Luis Alfonso is a nobody. His nonsensical claim to the French throne is his only way to relevancy.
I’d say the count of Paris is a nobody
I'd say your mom is a nobody 😎
I'd say you are a nobody.
It boils down to his lineage, he descends from the Spanish bourbons so in a sense he doesn’t have a claim (the Spanish bourbons forfeited their right to the French throne)
It’s because they don’t understand the Utrecht treaties nor French dynastic law and parrot points made by others without knowledge of these topics.
I wouldn’t say disliked. As a person, he’s a great person overall.
He’s just not the rightful "King of France" as someone else in the comments already pointed why. To summarize, Treaty of Utrecht, fundamental law the King has to be French, and himself, his parents and grandparents married morganatically.
Leaving laws aside, I don’t think people would be too happy to have a monarch who descends from Francisco Franco in the female side, with Louis mother being a daughter of the former dictator.
Spain literally has a king who was handpicked by Franco. And the city of Paris elected a woman whose parents were Spanish communists. So I don’t think it’ll be a problem
I don’t get this sub’s ideology of supporting the monarchies bending over backwards to “survive” by giving up everything but then will say “muh 200 year old treaty” as a reason to oppose restoration. The fact is the old kingdom is dead and this would be a new state
No questions asked, but Jean, Comte de Paris has the best claim to the throne for the reasons I already stated from a legal perspective.
And again it doesn’t matter. The kingdom is dead and Jean Orleans only cares about getting his villas back. Louis Alphonse is actually involved in Spanish politics and has promoted conservative Catholicism.
Hypothetically if Switzerland were to become a monarchy and chose a Portuguese prince as their king would you be fine with that?
I don’t know how Louis Alphonse being active in Spanish politics is of any relevance.
I don't agree, in the greater royalist community this man is generally regarded as a clown. He's not even on speaking terms with the other members of the Spanish house of Bourbon. I dislike him a lot and I think he's a garbage person overall, but that's just my opinion.
Well let's start with the fact that Luis Alfonso is NOT the Duke of Anjou, that's just a title he illegitimately took for himself. The actual Duke of Anjou belongs to the house of Orleans
King Juan Carlos I became angry at Louis for taking that title
Rightfully so, King Juan Carlos can be based sometimes
I think most of them supported Jean Count of Paris as their rightful king. (Since the House of Orleans is the most senior)
He’s Spanish
The same people promote a German on the throne of countries like Romania, but freak out at the thought of a descendant of the French monarchs and member of the House of Bourbon-Anjou on the French throne because he happened to be born in Spain.
Different Kingdom, different rules of succession.
The House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen was not in the line of succession at all, they deposed their indigenous monarch and replaced him with one that wasn’t related at all, which is rare for monarchs (even the Glücksburgs for Greece were descendants of the Byzantine monarchs for example) whereas Louis Alphonse is actually from a French house, he’s the senior heir of the Capetian dynasty and the FLK even states the renouncing the throne for your descendants is illegitimate, yet because Louis Alphonse was born in Spain he’s somehow less legitimate than Jean d'Orléans a literal descendant of a usurper.
But the I’m not surprised you can’t think unbiasedly about this with your “whites of Spain hater” flair.
The Fundamental Laws of the Kingdom of France state that foreigners cannot be king of France. You're supporting a man from a branch that has been the Spanish Royal family for over 300 years. They're unequivocally Spanish. One doesn't have to be a genius to conclude from these facts that members from Spanish line of the House of Bourbon are not eligible to be king of France, it's not rocket science
Then neither are the Orleans since Ferdinand Orleans was born in Italy
You know the House of Bourbon comes from France right?
Plus Ferdinand Orleans was born in Italy
Exactly, so by this guys logic Ferdinand Philippe and thus the entire current Orleanist branch would be illegitimate because they would be “Italian”.
Henri IV of France would also have been illegitimate he was born in Navarre then an independent country and now part of Spain, so would Napoleon I he was born in Corsica, then part of Italy.
The pure irony of him trying to question other peoples intelligence when he says stupid stuff like this.
He was born there because the French princes were in exile, not by free choice. This is just like the birth of the late Count of Paris. This birth was done abroad under force and duress because Napoleon was in charge of France. Thus, it cannot be counted against him.
Because those Germans were ruling Romania until wwii and they were elected to the throne
Yes… that’s my point, random Germans ruled Romania after the indigenous Romanian monarch Alexandru Ioan I was deposed, a random German Prince who was completely unrelated to all the previous Princes was elected to be the new King of Romania. Yet France can’t accept a French guy who’s the most senior descendant of their Kings as the rightful heir to the throne because he was born in Spain.
I’m not quite sure what part you aren’t understanding…
The thing it’s that Louis is descendant from the Spanish royal family. And the Spanish bourbons rejected their claims to the throne of France to become kings of Spain. So Louis claim ended in 1700 when his ancestor Felipe V became king by renouncing his rights to the French crown for himself and his descendants
The thing is, the Spanish royal family came from France, they were a junior branch of the House of Bourbon. Also if you actually read the Fundamental Laws of the Kingdom, French royalty cannot legally renounce their claims, it was a purely symbolic thing at the time, they knew it was very unlikely the thrones would ever united like England and Scotland did, but it was still a fear, so they “renounced” their claims, showing that Spain was now their Kingdom and would come first.
https://europeanroyalhistory.wordpress.com/tag/legitimists/
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Look at it this way:
Whatever the Treaty of Utrecht may or may not say, he was a (possibly retracted?) renunciation away from the Spanish Throne, & in an alternate world where Franco chooses his father instead of Juan Carlos (his father, Don Alfonso, was groomed in a fashion as an alternative to Juan Carlos as King), he would be King of Spain now.
I have no interest here, but it's something I find interesting.
Idk, but agree w assessment of him.