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The lessons of the Ukraine War: A "teaching moment" for nations worldwide.
American Thinker ^ | 05/16/2022 | Uldis Sprogis

Posted on 05/16/2022 7:16:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A government tyranny with top-down leadership and a state-controlled propaganda machine can create an illusion of a powerful military force despite the fact that in other ways the country is a third-world country with a corrupt leadership that rules through propaganda, fear, and intimidation.

Corrupt top-down leadership is reflected in all of Russia’s state institutions, including the military, which is just as corrupt and dysfunctional. The result is a military with inferior leadership, poor undisciplined troop performance and morale, and military equipment which is outdated and poor in quality. Tactical and logistics performance is abysmal.

The good news is that tyrannical China also has a corrupt top-down leadership and a state-controlled propaganda machine which can artificially create an illusion of a powerful military and economic force despite the fact that in other ways it is a third-world country with an autocratic leadership that rules with propaganda, fear, and intimidation. China also probably has a military with inferior leadership, poor undisciplined troop performance and morale, and military equipment which is hastily manufactured and poor in quality. The tactical and logistics performance of the Chinese military is also probably abysmal.

Another lesson which was learned was that battles of the future will be won with technologically highly sophisticated drones and missiles which take out tanks, artillery, radar, battleships, airplanes, and other heavy equipment worth millions and even billions of dollars. In the near future, aircraft carriers and ships will be taken out by hypersonic rockets and rockets with attached torpedoes will take out submarines.

A lesson learned by the European countries is: don’t become dependent on your energy supply from a tyrant country like Russia. Blackmail is a distinct possibility and can result in economic devastation once the supply is diminished or ended entirely.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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Finland and Sweden are learning the hard way that without a nuclear umbrella to disincentivize aggression from a nuclear power you are theoretically defenseless against nuclear blackmail despite a top-notch military and economy. It is entirely possible that Japan will go nuclear to avoid blackmail by Chinese and North Korean nukes. Will the U.S. protect Japan from Chinese aggression? For now, yes, but who knows in the distant future whether the U.S. will risk nuclear war with China if the Chinese invade Japan.
1 posted on 05/16/2022 7:16:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
A world government tyranny with top-down leadership and a state-controlled propaganda machine can create an illusion of a country that's being beaten bloody, with thousands of battle deaths, as actually "winning" a war that it's losing bigtime, In this case, Ukraine, which just lost its largest remaining refinery in Kremenchuk.

fixed it.

2 posted on 05/16/2022 7:20:04 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Japan needs to go nuke and soon.


3 posted on 05/16/2022 7:20:18 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader

If Japan decided to go nuclear today they’d have a working bomb by Friday. The Hello Kitty version would be available ten days later.

L


4 posted on 05/16/2022 7:21:40 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: SeekAndFind
We also learn that no matter how corrupt a govt is and how bad their morale and economy, if they have nukes then they survive, e.g. the Norks.

If NATO bleeds Russia down to its last tank and all they have left is nukes and natl resources that countries need then they will survive and remain a continuing threat.

5 posted on 05/16/2022 7:22:21 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: DarthVader

RE: I think Japan needs to go nuke and soon.

Be careful what you wish for. This is a country that is still trying to whitewash the atrocities their soldiers committed during the second world war. They still refuse to acknowledge the atrocities of the RAPE OF NANJING.


6 posted on 05/16/2022 7:23:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Lurker

It’s not as easy as you think. But they have the platforms to deliver which would have to be modified to handle nuclear payloads.


7 posted on 05/16/2022 7:23:43 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Russia has proven they can’t be trusted with nukes. They’re not civilized enough to possess them. The UN should disarm them like they did South Africa.

L


8 posted on 05/16/2022 7:25:14 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the near future, aircraft carriers and ships will be taken out by hypersonic rockets
***I’ve been saying this since about 2004... from my home page

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Posted by Kevin OMalley to nickcarraway On News/Activism
01/12/2005 12:07:37 PM PST · 17 of 25
Here is my swag on what is going to happen in Taiwan, posted on an earlier thread,
‘China Rapidly Modernizes for War With U.S.”.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285398/posts

1) The one-child policy has created a testosterone-rich generation the likes of which no one on earth has ever seen. China will have an entire army of what they call ‘little dictators” who have few prospects of finding women, and they will be very aggressively pushing their old-guard superiors for action on the Taiwan issue. The final straw will be that they’ll be promised wives when they invade Taiwan.

2) Their army is as much as 200 Million strong, which was the size predicted in Revelation in the Bible, called ‘The Kings of the East.” They can afford casualties in the range of 10 million, which is 5 times bigger than our army ever was. China has some unfinished business with Vietnam, having fought to a standoff in 1979. They might do a run through Vietnam first so that their troups are more battle-hardened and arrogant, knowing that the US didn’t exactly win there. The added bonus is they get one of the largest warm water ports in the world.

3) Taiwan has never declared independence. It’s not like the brave Estonians standing up to Russia when communism fell. They’re like an impudent child claiming to have sovereignty over China. Their fatal miscalculation is that they know they’ll need Americans to fight for them if they are in a war, but Americans will be reluctant to shed blood for an ally that didn’t have the courage to declare independence until they were invaded on an ‘internal dispute”. The chinese will hammer away at this in the press.

4) Chinese weapons policy has been to cycle through older generations of weaponry and stay about one generation behind the latest stuff. They sold their old silkworm missiles to the Iranians and used that money to upgrade their newer missiles, which are inferior to US missiles but they only need to be functional. The plan is to overwhelm defenses with superior numbers. No ship can stand up to 50 supersonic silkworm missiles aimed at it. They have similar tactics for other systems, such as anti aircraft missiles.

5) The chinese went up against Americans in Korea. They sent in 300 thousand infantry up against a much smaller American force. The key was that they only had rifles for about 1 in 5 personnel. So they would tell one to go as far as he could till he got shot, then the 2nd one would pick up the rifle & keep charging, and so on. Today, every one of those infantrymen has an automatic rifle. They are not as well equipped as their US counterparts but they can afford a lot of casualties. Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia and other engagements proved that you can’t replace feet on the ground with air superiority. No matter how advanced the air force is nor how many smart bombs get dropped, the US won’t be able to dislodge a standing army without sending in massive troup numbers and experiencing casualties. If our press made a big deal about losing 1000 US soldiers in Iraq, they’ll have a heydey with 500 thousand casualties. Seeing the press reaction emboldens the Chinese.

6) China is building a blue-water navy including submarines. They might be able to achieve a standoff in the surrounding ocean, limiting the ability to resupply american troups while the chinese troups will pillage Taiwan. Once America loses 2 nuclear powered aircraft carriers (with the resulting radioactive plumes), the calculation is that the U.S. will lose stomach for more fighting.

7) The trick to defeating these strategies with minimal casualties will be special forces operating in Taiwan. They will need to have the ability to direct standoff weapons fire onto individual tanks and squad units in order to be effective.

8) The most likely outcome will be that Taiwan will be a giant pile of rubble. Casualties could run as high as WWII. If China wins, it could be a Pyrrhic victory. If the US wins, it will take a whole generation to repair and rebuild. I think the Chinese view towards weakness or perceived weakness is a little bit like how Germany viewed the U.S. after we sent 10,000 men wandering in the hills to find Pancho Villa, to no avail. The Germans perceived it as weakness and went ahead with their war plans.

9 posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:47:37 PM by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)

update in 2021

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3979585/posts

There are some updated conversations regarding the sampan civilian navy internal migration approach.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3979585/posts

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4002096/posts?page=58#58

The chinese will send a sampan navy with 10million “internal migration” civilians armed with CNN uplinks, cameras, and bullhorns. When they get mowed down by our side, the resulting negative PR will be amplified by the chinese knocking out 2 of our aircraft carriers in the blockade with their hypersonic ICBM thermally guided antiship missiles.
America will luze stomach for the fight over what it already calls an internal province of China. Taiwan has never declared independence.
About a third of civilians in Taiwan are ethnic Chinese and maybe only half of them have loyalties and fifth column tendencies towards communist China. They have hundreds of thousands of cargo ships they can fill with civilians armed with cameras, CNN uplinks, and bullhorns.
The resultant slaughter will be live on CNN and the PR backlash will be enough to let China walk right back into their own internal (never did declare independence) province. If we blockade them, they’ll lob thermal-capable antiship ICBM missiles at our aircraft carriers and CNN will record them sinking to the bottom of the sea with the resultant nuclear plume.
America will luze stomach for the fight after luzing a couple $Trillion in carriers and tens of thousands of men in one afternoon, all seen on CNN, with our recourse being... to slaughter civilians. China has all the cards, they just have to lay them down on the table at this point.
And when it’s all over but the shouting, the RINOs and GOPes and democraps will be handwringing, hoping for a quick way to order chinese chips & electronics from Amazon. The chinese want the continued business of globalists so it’ll all be “can’t we just get along” and “water under the bridge” as soon as China is in charge and chips are shipping.

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9 posted on 05/16/2022 7:25:43 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Chinese have done alot worse. How about 63 million of their own dead by the hands of Chairman Mao for starters.


10 posted on 05/16/2022 7:25:48 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: SeekAndFind

China has a fanatical Chinese military....As in the Korean conflict, they will fight to death. I think however, that we have the same situation with Taiwan as with Ukraine.

And this is lacking in the article.

A free people, who have had the taste of freedom and the good life will fight to the death to keep it, if someone tries to take it away.

I think the days of a massive assault by war, are over.


11 posted on 05/16/2022 7:29:00 AM PDT by nikos1121
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South Africa had SIX nukes, Russia has SIX THOUSAND. And South Africa WANTED to give up their program, just like the Ukrainians wanted to give up those nukes on their soil in 1994.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction


12 posted on 05/16/2022 7:29:01 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: SeekAndFind

A government tyranny with top-down leadership and a state-controlled propaganda machine can create an illusion of a powerful military force despite the fact that in other ways the country is a third-world country with a corrupt leadership that rules through propaganda, fear, and intimidation.


Somebody has been reading my post. ;-)


13 posted on 05/16/2022 7:30:31 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes but all that is ancient history. Japan is not a rogue nation in the modern era. In the modern era there are only two rogue nations threatening to conquer other nations or large parts of their territory.


14 posted on 05/16/2022 7:31:35 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: Lurker

You forgot the sarc tag. No one has yet to make a significant attempt to denuclearize the Norks and the UN seems keen on seeing that Iran gets nukes at the earliest possible date.


15 posted on 05/16/2022 7:35:34 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: kiryandil
A government tyranny with top-down leadership and a state-controlled propaganda machine can create an illusion of a powerful military force despite the fact that in other ways the country is a third-world country with a corrupt leadership that rules through propaganda, fear, and intimidation.

GEE, that sounds like the democrat/RINO/deep state United States' playbook.

Especially when you think of what happened to us in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and look at how Chicago, now Buffalo, Los Angeles, NYC, Detroit, Newark have descended into 3rd world crime ridden enclaves of the rich surrounded by the proles with guns....

16 posted on 05/16/2022 7:35:45 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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To: libh8er

Don’t forget the rogue globalists who want to absorb all nations under the rainbow flag.


17 posted on 05/16/2022 7:36:58 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The lessons of the Ukraine War: A "teaching moment" for nations worldwide."

Yes: Make sure that you choose honest, puissant, benevolent leaders!

The USA had one, viz. Donald Trump, but allowed him to be replaced by the feckless figurehead Joe Biden, puppet of a very dangerous cabal.

Profit from America's example!

18 posted on 05/16/2022 7:38:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Saints are sinners who never gave up. --St. Theresa of Avila)
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To: Dick Vomer

Our oligarchy is slightly less corrupt and totalitarian than the other oligarchies.


19 posted on 05/16/2022 7:38:24 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: kiryandil

I couldn’t tell if he was describing Russia or Ukraine in the first paragraph. He could have easily been talking about America after Joke Biden is finished in a few years. Joke has the reverse Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to excrement.


20 posted on 05/16/2022 7:43:42 AM PDT by Rdct29 (Democrats are the new Nazi's. They think they deserve total control over the people)
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