Don't Kill the Messenger with Movie Research Expert Kevin Goetz Kevin Goetz

(Recorded December 2023)
In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with veteran producer Carol Baum, whose impressive career includes working with Hollywood icons such as Dolly Parton, Barbara Streisand, Robert De Niro, Zendaya, and Steve Martin. Carol shares stories and insights from her decades in the film industry, discussing her work on memorable films like "Father of the Bride," "The Good Girl," "Dead Ringers," and "Flyaway Home." She also shares candid experiences as a studio executive at Fox and Lorimar, where she developed classic films like "Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone." With the recent release of her book, "Creative Producing," Carol provides a wealth of knowledge for aspiring filmmakers and industry professionals.

Carol’s Early Career and Education (07:42)
Carol discusses her early career, how a girl from South Orange, New Jersey with no Hollywood connections landed a job in publishing at Bantam Books, where she discovered "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" and how she went on to produce classic movies.

Studio Executive Roles (24:28)
As a studio executive, Carol worked with Jon Peters' company, where she learned the importance of a positive work environment. She then moved on to Fox, working under Joe Wizan, and experienced a culture shift when Larry Gordon and Scott Rudin joined the studio. At Lorimar, Carol developed classic films such as "An Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone."

Father of the Bride, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Sandollar Productions (30:17)
Carol shares stories of working with Sandy Gallin and Dolly Parton at Sandollar Productions where she produced successful films like "Father of the Bride" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" while collaborating with Howard Rosenman.

Creative Producing (38:10)
Carol discusses her book, Creative Producing, where she emphasizes the importance of the development process and working closely with writers to refine scripts and make them better.

Working with Stars Like Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a Young Zendaya (42:53)
Carol shares her love for actors and their role in getting projects made. She considers Anthony Hopkins one of the greatest living actors and recounts her experiences working with Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a young Zendaya.

Carol Baum's love for movies shines through and shows why she is so valuable to the film industry. Her willingness to share her experiences and lessons in this episode as well as in her book, Creative Producing, are sure to inspire and guide countless filmmakers If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Carol Baum
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

For more information about Carol Baum:
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0062071/
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Baum
Website: https://www.carolfriedlandbaum.com/

For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram: @KevinGoetz360
Linked In @Kevin Goetz
Screen Engine/ASI Website: www.ScreenEngineASI.com

In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Melva Benoit, founder and president of the Marian Dupree Group. A trailblazer in research and consumer insights, Benoit has held senior executive positions in major media companies including Viacom, Disney, Turner, NBC Universal, and Fox. Together, they delve into her rich background in television market research, discussing her unique insights and experiences in the entertainment industry.

Benoit's Early Career (06:01)
Growing up in Houston, Texas, Benoit developed a love for television and aspired to be in charge of Saturday morning cartoons. She attended Howard University and began her career in research at King World, eventually moving to Cartoon Network and Comedy Central.

The Role of Research in Television (09:55)
Benoit explains the three main functions of research within media institutions: keeping the lights on, taking requests, and anticipating stakeholders' needs. She emphasizes the importance of research teams contributing to meetings even when there isn't a direct need for research.

Analyzing Successful TV Shows – Seinfeld, Friends, and South Park (20:08)
Benoit discusses the testing and success of shows like Seinfeld (20:08), Friends (23:57), and South Park (40:26). She highlights the importance of understanding how audiences learn to watch and relate to characters in television shows.

The Changing Landscape of Media (27:47)
The pair discuss the importance of the audience and the challenges of targeted advertising and the need for a more nuanced approach to understanding audiences.

Reframing Audience Measurement (29:20)
Goetz and Benoit discuss a new way of looking at marketing to consumers, focusing on shared attitudes, behaviors, and values rather than solely relying on demographic information. They emphasize the importance of reaching diverse audiences and the need for the advertising industry to adapt to this new way of thinking.

Melva Benoit's insights into the world of television market research shed light on the complex relationship between content creators, audiences, and advertisers. By advocating for a more nuanced understanding of entertainment consumers and embracing the changing media landscape, Benoit and Goetz offer a unique vision for the future of the industry. This engaging conversation highlights the importance of adaptability, creativity, and audience-centric thinking in the changing media landscape. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Melva Benoit
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

For more information about Melva Benoit:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melvabenoit/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MelvagBenoit
The Marian Dupree Group, Inc. https://linkedin.com/company/the-marian-dupree-group-llc/

For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster
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Host and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz sits down with the multi-talented Colleen Camp. With a career spanning 6 decades in acting and over 2 decades in producing, Colleen is a true force in the entertainment industry. She has graced the screen in over 150 roles, including memorable performances in films like Clue, Die Hard with a Vengeance, Wayne's World, Election, and American Hustle. As a producer, Colleen has helped bring over 25 titles to life, showcasing her passion and dedication to the craft of filmmaking.

Current Projects and Cinema Landscape (1:40)
Colleen discusses her recent producing projects, including the films At the Gates and Day of the Fight, and the challenges of distribution in the current landscape.

The Art of Character Development (16:21)
Kevin and Colleen explore the significance of rhythm and accents in defining characters, drawing upon examples from Colleen's diverse acting roles. They discuss how these elements contribute to the authenticity and depth of a performance, allowing actors to fully embody their characters and captivate audiences.

Lessons from Legendary Directors (11:28)
Colleen shares lessons learned from collaborating with renowned directors such as Peter Bogdanovich, Francis Ford Coppola, Jonathan Lynn, and David O. Russell. She reflects on the insights gained from working with these industry giants, emphasizing the importance of adaptability, trust, and creative synergy between actors and directors.

Navigating Nudity in Film (32:30)
The conversation touches on Colleen's experience portraying a Playboy bunny in the iconic film Apocalypse Now. She candidly discusses her thoughts on nudity in film, the challenges faced by actors in such roles, and the evolution of attitudes towards on-screen intimacy over the years.

Standout Films of the Awards Season (54:13)
Kevin and Colleen engage in a lively discussion about the standout films from the current awards season, with a particular focus on The Holdovers and Oppenheimer. 

Supporting Emerging Talent (59:41)
Colleen emphasizes the importance of supporting emerging filmmakers and the need for diverse, quality films to be distributed and celebrated. She stresses the significance of nurturing new voices in the industry and the role that established professionals can play in mentoring and advocating for up-and-coming talent.

Colleen Camp's passion for the entertainment industry shines through in this engaging conversation. Her ability to transform as an actress and her commitment to producing meaningful films make her a true treasure in the world of cinema. As an advocate for emerging talent and a believer in the power of the theatrical experience, Colleen continues to make a significant impact on the industry. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. 

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Colleen Camp
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

For more information about Colleen Camp:
Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/colleen_camp
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_Camp
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131974/

For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website:
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Host and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz sits down with talented screenwriter and director Nick Stoller. With a remarkable portfolio that includes hit comedy films like Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Get Him to the Greek, Neighbors, Bros, and the upcoming You’re Cordially Invited, Stoller provides a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at his creative process, his journey in the entertainment industry, and the invaluable role of audience research in shaping his critically acclaimed projects.

Nick Stoller's background and early influences (5:57)
Nick discusses his background and early influences, including growing up in Miami, attending boarding school in New Hampshire, and finding his passion for comedy writing at Harvard.

Pitching ideas to Judd Apatow and landing a job on "Undeclared" (11:33)
The pivotal moment when Judd Apatow hired Stoller for the show "Undeclared" based on his ability to pitch relatable college experiences that resonated with Apatow's comedic sensibilities.

The screening process for "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and lessons learned (15:19)
Stoller delves into the screening process for "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and the invaluable lessons he learned about audience preferences, particularly their aversion to overtly sad characters and their love for characters in denial.

Collaborating with actors like Jason Segel and Rose Byrne (24:03)
Stoller talks about working with talented actors like Jason Segel and Rose Byrne, and the unique comedic talents each brings to a project.

Advice on cutting scenes and prioritizing the story over individual jokes (29:30)
Kevin and Nick offer insightful advice on cutting scenes and prioritizing the overall story arc over individual jokes, even highly comedic ones, if they undermine character development or audience engagement.

The reshoots for "Get Him to the Greek" and the importance of point of view (33:38)
Nick talks about his love of reshoots, and how the audience feedback led him to change the beginning of Get Him to the Greek.

Preparing for the first day of shooting with Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon (41:24)
Stoller discusses his preparation process before the first day of shooting with stars like Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon, emphasizing the importance of rehearsals and collaborative exploration.

Throughout the engaging conversation, Nick Stoller's passion for storytelling, his respect for the audience, and his collaborative approach shine through. From his beginnings as a writer to his current success as a director, Stoller's journey is a testament to the power of perseverance, creativity, and a deep understanding of human emotions. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Nick Stoller
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

For more information about Nick Stoller:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/nicholasstoller
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Stoller
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0831557/

For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website:
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Kevin Goetz sits down with acclaimed filmmaker Eli Roth.

Eli burst onto the scene in 2002 with his indie horror hit Cabin Fever and cemented his reputation with the extremely profitable Hostel films. Known for his intense horror style and flair for marketing, Eli has built a hugely successful directing career. His latest film, the holiday slasher Thanksgiving, was released last year by Sony Pictures and he is currently working on a science fiction action comedy film, Borderlands, scheduled to be released this summer. Kevin and Eli have worked closely together using test screenings to hone Eli's movies. Their rapport is on full display as they delve deep into Eli's creative process, his career ups and downs, and the vital role testing feedback plays in the final films you see in theaters.

Kevin and Eli Discuss Eli's Upbringing and Early Interest in Filmmaking (3:20)
Eli became interested in film at a young age after seeing movies like Pinocchio, Star Wars, and Alien. He started making short films as a kid with help from a mentor. By age 11 he was making animated shorts, stop-motion films, and horror movies with his brothers and friends.

Cabin Fever and Eli's Initial Resistance to Testing (27:09)
Cabin Fever initially tested terribly but went on to be very profitable. Eli learned to analyze test data for what works rather than just looking at scores.

Eli's Experience Working His Way Up in the Film Industry (31:42)
Eli talks about his odd jobs in the film industry while writing scripts, including as an extra, a set production assistant, and Howard Stern's assistant on Private Parts.

Working with Quentin Tarantino and Making the Hostel Films (37:12)
Quentin Tarantino mentored Eli on Hostel, helping him add more realism and unexpected details. Eli discusses testing multiple endings for Hostel.

Thanksgiving Test Screenings and Editing (42:15)
Eli details his experience testing Thanksgiving and learning from audience feedback to hone the right tone, pacing, and violence level. He trimmed 15 minutes after the first test screening based on feedback. Eli says he has come to value test screening input thanks to insights from Kevin.

Eli on the Power of Test Screenings (54:19)
Eli thanks Kevin for helping filmmakers understand how to read test screening data and what audiences want. He advises filmmakers to listen to test feedback even if they don't agree.

This fascinating conversation gives rare insight into Eli Roth's unique directorial vision and his journey to becoming one of Hollywood's most successful horror filmmakers. Eli's passion for the genre and gift for understanding audiences have been instrumental in crafting crowd-pleasing terror. His embrace of the test screening process, utilizing Kevin's expert analysis, demonstrates Eli's dedication to giving viewers the best experience possible.

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Eli Roth
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

For more information about Eli Roth:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realeliroth/
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Roth
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744834/

For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinG
46s Film Making 46s: Filmmakers talk origins, challenges, budgets, and profits.Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify

Join Kevin Goetz as he welcomes the host of Turner Classic Movies, Ben Mankiewicz. As a member of the illustrious Mankiewicz family, Ben provides a unique insider perspective, from delightful stories about his early life surrounded by Hollywood royalty to the privileges and expectations that come with having a famous name. He also shares colorful anecdotes about his father, who spurned the movie business in favor of making an impact through politics and public service. Throughout the episode, Ben brings his deep passion for film to life, offering thoughtful analysis and critiques on everything from beloved classics like Casablanca to defining what makes a movie truly great. His joy and encyclopedic knowledge when discussing cinema is infectious.

Ben's Family Legacy and Getting into Columbia (2:42)
Ben talks about his family's long history at Columbia and getting rejected initially despite his famous relatives.

Ben’s Father Spurning Hollywood for Public Service (8:08)
Ben recounts his father Frank Mankiewicz's remarkable transition from Hollywood entertainment lawyer to a member of the Peace Corps in Peru. He further elaborates on his father's notable career milestones, which encompassed serving as Robert F. Kennedy's press secretary and spearheading George McGovern's campaign.

Following His Own Path (9:15)
Ben compares his interests to his father's drive to make a difference rather than join the movie business.

Behind the Scenes of Turner Classic Movies (12:08)
Ben describes auditioning for TCM and having long discussions about movies, playing to his strengths. Ben says seeing The Barefoot Contessa on TCM right after his audition felt like a good omen he'd get the job because it was a Mankiewicz movie.

Ben's Takes on Classic Films (20:53)
Ben argues audiences over time, not just critics, determine what becomes a classic film based on emotional impact. Ben names Paths of Glory and Casablanca as his favorites for their emotional resonance.

On the Waterfront and the Problem with Kazan (33:47)
Ben expresses admiration for On the Waterfront, acknowledging its brilliance and emotional depth, particularly praising Eva Marie Saint's performance. However, he expresses disdain for Elia Kazan's decision to name names during the McCarthy era.

Mank and the Family Name (41:36)
Ben talks about being a Mankiewicz, and describes being incredibly moved by the 2020 biographical drama film Mank directed by David Fincher capturing Ben's grandfather Herman's spirit.

Whether you're a longtime TCM fan or simply love hearing little-known details about Hollywood history straight from the source, this podcast is a must-listen. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!

Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Ben Mankiewicz
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano

For more information about Ben Mankiewicz:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Mankiewicz
Twitter: https://twitter.com/benmank77?lang=en
The Plot Thickens Podcast: https://theplotthickens.tcm.com/

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