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Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II. For example, from Wikipedia’s entry on Louis Till:

Their first and only child, Emmett Louis Till, was born on July 25, 1941. Mamie left her husband soon after learning that he had been unfaithful. Louis, enraged, choked her to unconsciousness, to which she responded by throwing scalding water at him. Eventually Mamie obtained a restraining order against him. After he repeatedly violated this order, a judge forced Till to choose between enlistment in the Army and imprisonment. Choosing the former, he enlisted in 1943.

Not surprisingly, civilian women in combat zones tended to pay the price of the U.S. Army’s low standards for recruits.

I’ve tried to find the name of the Italian woman Louis Till murdered on the principle of “Say her name,” but it doesn’t appear to be of much interest to the English-speaking press.

War crimes by American servicemen against civilian women remain an issue for American foreign policy in 2022, while lynching has vanished into the past, but nobody is much interested in this:

The brief surge in interest in Louis Till around 2016 is due to a semi-fictional book by black novelist John Edgar Wideman in 2016 called Writing to Save a Life: The Louis Till File that argues that Louis Till must have been framed. After all, more blacks than whites per capita were convicted of raping European women during WWII, and, obviously, that couldn’t possibly mean that blacks tended to be guiltier.

Granted, there are good reasons why “military justice” and “military intelligence” are considered canonical examples of oxymorons. But Wideman is frank about his being biased. From an NPR interview with him over his book:

On his own son, who has a parole hearing coming up — as a teenager he was convicted of the 1986 murder of a fellow 16-year-old

Prisons are awful, awful places. And believe it or not, to make public an inmate’s good luck actually puts them in jeopardy — in jeopardy of the jealousy of other prisoners, the guards — he becomes a target. Let me at the same time say: He is closer to release this moment than he has been in over 30 years. And that is that is all good news.

On how father-son relationships play into his writing

I think I’ve been dealing with the same ideas for an awful long time. I had a vexed relationship with my father mainly because he and my mother didn’t get along all the time. And he had the same kinds of complicated forces in his life that Louis Till had. My search for the past is a subject of my novels and my fiction and continues to be. And so this book about Louis Till and Emmett Till is a natural continuation of all that research into who I am, where I come from, what it all means.

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  1. Private Louis Till was convicted of raping two Italian women, Benni Lucrezia and Frieda Mari, and of killing a third, Anna Nanchi.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=4OFSSHidzT0C&pg=PA117

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Stan Adams


    Private Louis Till was convicted of raping two Italian women, Benni Lucrezia and Frieda Mari, and of killing a third, Anna Nanchi.
     
    Out here in the west, we have a group called "E Clampus Vitus", which puts up little historical plaques here and there pertaining mostly to the history of the old west. The refer to themselves as "Clampers"

    I'd like to see a similar type group put up plaques honoring these women wherever there is an Emmett Tell street of park. Set up a go fund me, I'll kick in a benji...
    , @Anon
    @Stan Adams

    No, her surname was Zanchi. Anna Zanchi.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Wade Hampton
    @Stan Adams

    Once you go black, you never go back...literally.

  2. And he had the same kinds of complicated forces in his life that Louis Till had.

    These complicated (mysterious!) forces are quite capable of overcoming personal agency, yes. Thanks for asking.

    Louis, enraged, choked her to unconsciousness, to which she responded by throwing scalding water at him.

    Well there’s a complicated force, but don’t laugh. It’s actually hard to pull off when you’re unconscious.

    It’s always Emmett Till O’clock somewhere!

    That’s really quite brilliant.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Inverness

    Emmett Till--All of the time.

  3. Steve, your first foreign trip as president in 2029 will be to Italy. You can apologize for Louis Till and tearing down Columbus statues.

  4. After all, more blacks than whites per capita were convicted of raping European women during WWII,

    Of course.

    To get a conviction of rape is pretty hard, even then.
    You’d need to convince the local jury (or easier the military board) that :
    a) the woman really had said no
    b) the man might actually do such a thing,
    c) the testimony of the man (and perhaps his colleagues) was worth little

    All of which would be much much easier for a black accused than a white accused.

    Here in Britain American white troops (Over-sexed, Over Paid and Over Here) were widely presumed to be seducing Brits with husbands away fighting. Many women were said to wear “American knickers” (one yank and they are off).

    But even though Black Americans were largely surprised at how welcoming the Brits were, it would be very very difficult to persuade a 1940s jury that a woman had consented to sex with a black man.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @michael droy

    I don't see why Black troops would be prosecuted when FDR and Churchill agreed to look the other way on rape by the Russians.

    US troops were actually ordered to stand down.

    Same thing happened in Afghanistan. They were supposed to look the other way if they found a local chief with a boy.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Ancient Briton
    @michael droy

    A Mexican-American soldier was the last man hanged for rape in England, at US Forces prison Shepton Mallet 15 June1945.

    , @Robert Paulson
    @michael droy

    Americans are oversexed, you say. But the Brit women’s knickers come down with one Yank. Seems it is your Brit women are oversexed. Or you blokes underperform

  5. Just a thought: I don’t think that bringing up Louis Till is quite the ‘gotcha’ people in our circles seem to think it is. It strikes me as a bit of a whataboutism.

    • Replies: @Legba
    @Ian Smith

    I didn't think of it as a whataboutism, more of a ofcoursehewasism

    , @JimDandy
    @Ian Smith

    How is it whataboutism? It's more theappledontfallfarfromthetreeism.

    , @J.Ross
    @Ian Smith

    Whataboutism is conceding an accusation because of universal guilt: I ran a stop sign but so did you. Its only hope of winning is if the whatabout is big enough to blow away the original accusation: when you ran a stop sign, you killed fifty children. Emmett Till is idol worship, not whataboutism, and pointing out its emptiness is not whataboutism in any way I can see.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

  6. Lol, Mr. Sailer is just as obsessed with Emmitt Til as our “elites”. Now, moving on….

    “Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II.”

    We do think about it, to the contrary. Perhaps you should do some NOTICING yourself rather than make unsubstantiated statements under the guise that it is common knowledge.

    https://history.army.mil/events/ahts2015/presentations/seminar6/sem6_MarkFry_text_ImpactOfEdLevels.pdf

    —One of the ways the war department gathered information on a recruit was to look at his occupation in civilian life. If he was engaged as a skilled workman he mostly likely possessed a higher intelligence level, greater initiative, and a sense of responsibility along with a superior physique then men who were not. This was not an end all be all method of determining a man’s eventual assignment, it merely gave the Army an indication as to how well he could adapt to his new role as a combat soldier and leader. Even those with a superior intelligence would have to learn their military job in the Army as there were few crossover occupations from civilian life in the army.

    Despite the fact that there was a war on and the immediate need for manpower was great, the Army understood that it needed to look to the future as well. If it drafted all the young men allowed by the Selective Service and Training Act of 1940 it would eventually run out of trained men capable of performing the technical jobs the Army and eventually the nation would need in the future.

    In order to preserve enough men with these skills, the Army created a special training program in which approximately 150,000 young men could be trained for the future in fields such as medicine and other technical fields. The Army’s would be called the Army Specialized Training Program or ASTP. The goal of these programs was to provide the military with specially trained technicians that the Colleges could train more rapidly and efficiently than the Army could within its own organization.

    One of the biggest opponents of the program was Lt. Gen. Lesley J. McNair. Gen. McNair felt the army needed men “with the brains and battlefield skills to defeat the more experienced German and Japanese Armies.”Not being against having men with additional education, but he saw no reason why it provided a better soldier when it came to combat effectiveness.

    The plan was officially announced in the New York Times on December 18, 1942 and gave a description of all that the program would entail. Throughout the winter and spring of 1943 the Army worked diligently to locate and acquire the necessary university and college support for the program. In the spring, more than three hundred colleges and Universities welcomed on campus the nearly 150,000 young men beginning their training. The ASTP term was divided into twelve-week terms with a week off between terms; and offered in two phases, a basic and an advanced. The basic phase covered what a college or university student would cover in the first year and a half of college in three sessions over nine months, while the advanced phase covered from the point the basic phase left off until the student was at a level of expertise “commensurate with the Army’s needs.” The one deviation was in the medical field, where medical, dental, and veterinary students participated in accelerated courses approved by their respective professional educating associations.

    In order to be considered for ASTP, the recruit must meet a series of criteria. One he must have a high school diploma. Two, he must have scored an 110 or higher on the AGCT. This was the same threshold set for entrance to Officer Candidate school (OCS), although this score was later changed to 115 for the ASTP. Three, he must have completed basic training. For older men who might have already attended some college, the criteria were slightly different. They must have had completed at least one year of college and had “substantial background” in a foreign language or a year of mathematics, physics, or biology. For those with more than three years of college they must have majored in pre-dentistry, pre-medicine, or engineering, or “substantial background” in one or more foreign languages.—

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    The story of the ASTP is very interesting and in fact is related to "scraping the bottom of the barrel" but not in the way that you say. Implicit in the ASTP was the Army's recognition (at least some parts of the Army) that if you sent the flower of the nation's youth to their deaths in combat you would be crippling America's future potential - better to send the Louis Tills of America, whose loss would be no great loss. European civilization has never really recovered from the losses of WWI (and II) and America's post WWII (dubious) intellectual ascendancy was in part driven by the fact that in the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings. So the ASTP was intended to spare some of the more promising youth (not so much for the postwar world, but because of the Army's understanding that in a protracted war we would also run out of combat necessary doctors, etc. unless we kept training up more). At the same time, the Army was glad to take folks like Till Sr. who were otherwise headed to prison because they needed lots of warm bodies for combat and logistics roles.

    My late father in law was drafted into the infantry in WWII despite having a job at the Frankford Arsenal where he had been working on designing machine guns for aircraft, because of this need for warm bodies. I guess they figured that they could get some old guy who was beyond draft age or disabled to work at the Arsenal instead, while he was more needed at the front.

    He was sent to a unit that was slated for the invasion of the Pacific. As an experiment, this unit was supposed to build their own camp in the jungle and as practice for this, they were sent to build their own camp in North Carolina - this probably also save the Army $ vs. hiring contractors. Conditions in this camp were rather primitive. While there, my FIL was befriended by the camp's Protestant chaplain (despite the fact that my FIL was Jewish/atheist) on the basis that he and the chaplain were among the few people there who could read without moving their lips. The chaplain tried to convince him to go to Officer Candidate School because of his extremely high score on the AGCT, the highest that the chaplain had ever seen (my FIL later became a mechanical engineer and a business executive - the president of a large truck trailer manufacturer. He designed the corner fixture which is now a part of every single shipping container on earth.) But my FIL knew that the casualty rate among 1st lieutenants was exceptionally high and he declined.

    My FIL had always suffered from asthma (in those days there were few effective medications). One day his toothless sergeant ordered him to sweep out a dusty cabin. Of course in those days there was no such thing as a dust mask or respirator. He told the sergeant that he had asthma and this assignment would surely put him in the hospital. The sarge accused him of malingering and ordered him to sweep anyway. Sure enough this put him in the hospital and was his ticket out of the Army.

    , @I, Libertine
    @Corvinus

    In the seventies, as the war was ending, I was the chief enlisted assistant to the psychiatrist for an infantry division. One of our duties was to psychologically evaluate soldiers who were being discharged for disciplinary reasons.

    Commonly, the “exit interview” I conducted with these incorrigibles included an exchange of this nature:

    Q. So, why did you enlist in the Army?
    A. Well, the judge told me that I’d better have signed up by my next court date, or he’d send me me to jail.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Wade Hampton
    @Corvinus

    Too long, didn't read. Or more accurately, Corvinus, didn't read.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

  7. The ASTP was a fascinating aspect of WW2. The termination of most of the programme and the sending of its participants to US military units, mostly in Europe, resulted in an influx of relatively intelligent soldiers into combat in the latter part of 1944. One of those was Kurt Vonnegut, captured at the Bulge in December 1944.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Specialized_Training_Program

  8. • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @MEH 0910

    Wideman's daughter, Jamila, won a basketball national championship at Stanford. Might have been a starter, don't remember. I do remember reading an SI article that included her brother's crimes, back when SI was legit.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @ic1000
    @MEH 0910

    Meh, you provided a link to a 1994 story in the Phoenix New Times on John Edgar Wideman, the Rhodes Scholar and English professor who wrote so kindly about Louis Till in "Brothers and Keepers." The story extends to son Jacob Wideman, who at age 16 stabbed 16-year-old white kid Eric Kane for no particular reason. And John Edgar's brother Robby Wideman, also in jail for murder.

    Brothers and Victims, by Tom Fitzpatrick.

    An excellent example of the New Journalism. "Couldn't do it today," as Paleo Retiree used to say at his blog Uncouth Reflections. Fitzpatrick would be cancelled within days for daring to question the elite's narrative.

    In discussing the sociopathic indifference to others' suffering that is the hallmark of these men of the Wideman family, Fitzpatrick quotes a passage from John Edgar's book. This is Robby's account of the murder he committed:


    I'm telling you the whole bit now. Ain't holding nothing back. That's the way we was. Stone gangsters. Robbing people. Waving guns in people's faces. Serious shit. But it was like playing, too. A game. A big game and we was just big kids having fun. Guns wasn't real. Bullets wasn't real. Wasn't planning on hurting nobody. Pow. Pow. You know. Fall over. I got you. No, you didn't. You missed. You lying. I got you first.

    I remember the scraggly hair and them hippie-type clothes but ain't nothing where his face supposed to be. I can hear that soft voice but I can't see no mouth, no face. . . . Last time I saw the dude he was holding his shoulder and hauling ass. Could have blowed him away easy. A real easy shot. I'm remembering how he looked and figuring couldn't be nothing wrong with a cat running as hard as he was. He was grabbing at his shoulder but he was steady truckin'.

    How's he dead, man? The cat was running, man.
     
    It reads like something a drunk Steve Sailer would write, an exaggerated anecdote to illustrate the need for point-of-use gun control.

    You couldn't do it today.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910

  9. “Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II.”

    Hey iSteve, that’s the Greatest Generation™ yer talking about. Aren’t you a genetic/iq/race realist? Were the 400,000 US military deaths during WWII (plus injuries sever enough to remove the individual from the gene pool) net eugenic or disgenic?

  10. Emmett Till got what he deserved…so did his father…

    Why do you continue to watch NFL TYRONE BALL you Cucks? You are outsourcing your Manhood…

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Emmett Till got a bit more than he deserved. He deserved a beating.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

  11. In the discussion part of the Wikipedia article on the ASTP, a former PFC, Marvin Shar, mentions not being able to get into the US Army at first because his eyesight was bad, but later he did as they relaxed the standards in 1944. There was a similar process for potential air gunners in the US Army Air Force. Colour blindness did not seem to matter, according to one of them cited in Tail End Charlies, a book about the bomber war of 1944-5. He said they were shown balls of coloured wool but would get some fairly strong hints like “You know that’s not the red one.”
    However, the USA did not send penal units into combat, unlike the Germans and the Soviets, and did not need to resort to drafting the very old and the very young into anything like the Volkssturm.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Wielgus


    ...did not need to resort to drafting the very old and the very young into anything like the Volkssturm.
     
    You only do that when you're fighting on your own territory or nearby.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  12. a judge forced Till to choose between enlistment in the Army and imprisonment. Choosing the former, he enlisted in 1943.

    Yes, I am sure this is still going on. We had a half dozen “jail or Army cook school” POC’s from St. Louis in my Basic Training company in 1969.

    They partied all night in the latrine and slept through many classes in the daytime. Though none missed Mess Call.

    • Replies: @Fungus Among Us
    @John Henry


    They partied all night in the latrine
     
    No shit!?

    Replies: @John Henry

  13. American servicemen committed war crimes in WW2, but to be fair, they were a lot less rapey than, say, Soviet or Japanese soldiers (to take the two worst). And I think the fact that the American military was significantly more willing to prosecute its own men rather than trying to hush it all up was the primary reason. Not to say that Americans didn’t try to hush it up sometimes, or that Japanese and Soviet authorities never prosecuted their own troops for rape. The Americans just disciplined their troops for sex crimes a lot more consistently.

    Japanese and Soviet soldiers were subject to more brutal treatment by their own officers, and that probably played its part. I do think naive US soldiers tended, all things being equal, to be more decent than other soldiery, and less prepared to countenance cold-blooded mass reprisals (including rape) against civilians. But all things weren’t equal, so I still think the basic deterrent effect of knowing you’d get hanged if you were caught was probably the most important factor.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Gimeiyo

    Gim, I picked up a used copy of "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang at our library's table sale. First thing I did was to tear out some of the photos, way to graphic brutality. It seems the rape and slaughter of the Chinese was sanctioned and encouraged, at least in this case. Japan has still not apologised for this atrocity, while the Germans have paid reparations for the Holocaust. Nice comment.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @anonymouseperson, @nebulafox

    , @nebulafox
    @Gimeiyo

    American soldiers did rape local women and commit other atrocities on Okinawa in 1945. Nothing happened that was remotely in the league of the IJA's horrific rampages earlier that year on the island and in Manila, but they did occur. There's this one cave where the islanders dumped the bodies of a few black American soldiers that they'd murdered in revenge. They'd kept the secret for over 50 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident

    Organized prostitution for American soldiers in postwar Japan and South Korea was also a reality, and although things have changed massively since those days (the ladies have overwhelmingly non-local for decades, the US military got infiltrated by evangelicals and feminists who thought they could change the realities of life), American bases still remain profit centers for the local sex trade. I don't think there was ever an official program in South Vietnam or Thailand in the same way, but from the American POV, there didn't need to be. Last Stars and Stripes before the first deployment to Vietnam covered the migration of prostitutes from Saigon to Da Nang to make serious bucks from the incoming Americans, I'm sure with the approval of what passed for the government in Saigon at the time.

    The motives were mixed. IMO, the fact that prostitution seems to have a long history of being "open" and officially regulated in many Asian societies can't be ignored: it wasn't an innovation, it was just making sure a subsection of the already existing prostitute pool was allocated to the Americans. Indeed, part of what led to the comfort women in the first place was, given how prostitution was laid out in Japan, that the logical conclusion made was that there should be brothels to serve the Japanese armed forces. But there's no getting around the fact that one of them was also the desire to avoid mass rape, and on the part of the military authorities, to avoid homosexuality. For the 1950s/1960s ROK in particular, financial concerns seem to have been the truly decisive factor.

    Again, there was no equivalent to the mass kidnapping of women to be gang raped to death that there was with the Japanese, or with the Germans and Soviets in Europe. But that didn't mean that what went on didn't happen, or that the results was pretty. In postwar Vietnam, part of the reason half-American (or half-Korean) kids were treated like garbage was it was automatically assumed the mother was a prostitute, regardless of whether or not this was actually true.

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Gimeiyo

    US Marines are still raping Japanese girls on Okinawa.

    Haven't seen where they end up at the end of a rope.

    The WW2 Occupation that has no end date.

    Replies: @ATate

  14. It’s do-able, that bellend Tony Blair apologised for the potato famine!

  15. 30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Ralph L


    30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?
     
    His murder victim is still dead, no? A pretty long sentence for him too...
    , @Jack D
    @Ralph L

    Arizona law at that time specified that parole would not be considered before 25 years. He was not released the first few times he came up for parole, in part because the parents of his victim opposed it.

    The Supreme Court has stated that for juveniles, the severest punishment must be reserved “for the rarest of juvenile offenders, those whose crimes reflect permanent incorrigibility". Jacob qualified. As I mentioned in a different post, while Wideman did not eat his victim, he did stab him while he was sleeping and allowed him to slowly bleed to death over a period of several hours. His victim was a fellow camper (although neither a close friend nor an enemy) that he had known for 7 summers of his short life. The killing appeared to be completely unprovoked but premeditated in that he had purchased a knife the day before and had preplanned to get the car keys before he committed the crime. He also stole $3,000 in traveler's checks to fund his getaway. No one, including Jacob, who otherwise confessed, has ever really explained why he did this - perhaps he was like the man in the Johnny Cash song who shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Flagstaff is not that far from Reno (by Western standards).

    Mulattoes like Jacob are often among the most dangerous criminals because they combine the amorality and violence of the black man with the cleverness of the white (in Jacob's case, Jew).

    https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2011/05/13/Children-of-promise-children-of-pain-The-Jacob-Wideman-case/stories/201105130235

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @AnotherDad
    @Ralph L


    30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?
     
    Execution is the sentence in a normal, sane, properly operating society.

    When someone shows utter contempt for the norms of the society--exile. When they brutally murder one of its citizens--execution.

    One of our serious problems now is that we no longer have this very basic--and very required--sense that a community is entitled to protect itself, its standards, norms, culture and people. And that the outliers and screwups have no right to feed--parasite--upon it.

    We have lost the simple good hygiene of "take out the trash".

  16. Funny how both Tills achieved a sort of immortality. Louis, as well as being begetter of the great Emmett, merits a mention in Ezra Pound’s Pisan Cantos: “Till was hung yesterday/for murder and rape with trimmings.”

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Rob McX

    "how both Tills achieved a sort of immortality"

    That's what I told Emmett when he started his yelling and crying -- you're sort of immortal. But your pops got greased by Uncle Sam. And then one of his index fingers dropped on the floor and began inching its way toward my shoes.

    , @Alden
    @Rob McX

    I love the Cantos. I have to find it and read it again. And my very favorite epic poem or whatever it’s called John Brown’s Body by Stephen Vincent Benet.

    Sally Dupre Sally Dupre. Her eyes were neither black nor gray. only daughter of misalliance hardened her heart for fear of defiance.
    She could sew all day on an Appleton dress
    And look like a saint in plaster
    But when the fiddles began to play
    Her feet beat fast but her heart beat faster

    I’ll always remember that., I really don’t like the US civil war subject. Glorifying Lincoln and abolitionist John Brown and the slaughter of 750 White men in the prime of life. But I love the poem. Plus the fact that there are few blacks in it. And no Gullah apostrophe gobble grunt dialogue. Why I don’t like GTW and other civil war movies and books. Blackety blackety black

  17. The UK has Steven Lawrence, “The Murder that Changed a Nation”.

    What they mean by ‘changed’ is that they threw out the double jeopardy law.

    The stakes around these black martyrs are high. Centuries of jurisprudence thrown under a bus to reach the ultimate goal: exemplary punishment for Whites, to ‘prove’ to the rainbow coalition that the government and corporations are in solidarity with them.

  18. Nothing was ever done to Lazar Kaganovich, a Devil who helped orchestrate the systematic starvation of MILLIONS in the Holodomor. Kaganovich lived to be nearly 100 years old. Nope, not a single world leader had the sack to apprehend an elderly Jewish mass murderer to stand trial for the murders of millions of Ukrainians and others.

    Millions of German women AND girls and even boys were raped by “the good guys.” German civilians nailed crucifix style to barn doors, hung by their feet and whipped. Starved, forced to be corralled and left outdoors in the “Eisenhower Death Camps,” etc. And while Trump and others deport ancient, decrepit former “Nazis” as recently as a few years back ( how many people living during WWII as adults are alive? 2?), all those who tortured, raped German women and children, nailed them to barn doors went unpunished. Perhaps they were dealt with in the afterlife by Satan?

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Trinity

    Nothing was ever done to Lazar Kaganovich, a Devil who helped orchestrate the systematic starvation of MILLIONS in the Holodomor. Kaganovich lived to be nearly 100 years old. Nope, not a single world leader had the sack to apprehend an elderly Jewish mass murderer to stand trial for the murders of millions of Ukrainians and others.

    What I have always found astonishing is that Kaganovich lived, not in some dacha in the country with protection, but in an ordinary apartment in the middle of Moscow with no protection whatsoever. Pretty much any day over the last 4 decades or so of his life anyone could have knocked on his door and beaten him to death with a hammer. As best I can tell he lived out his years entirely unmolested, despite there being tens, if not hundreds, of thousands with deep personal reason to kill him. It's simply astonishing.

    Replies: @Trinity, @Anon

    , @scrivener3
    @Trinity

    Yes I think we overplay the Americans were the good guys.

    Still many Germen scientists arranged to surrender to the American forces rather than the Soviets and I think they were wise.

    Horrible things happen in war, My history professor said that whenever one occupying army pulled out in the face of an advancing enemy - during the few hours or days before the new occupier arrived the civilians went wild in a murderous rampage extracting vengeance on their enemy co-civilians. Not sometimes, always.

  19. Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II….

    Not surprisingly, civilian women in combat zones tended to pay the price of the U.S. Army’s low standards for recruits.

    This had a strong bias towards the ground forces. The Army Air Force for example tended to get the best, things like piloting and maintenance had hard floors of competence. If a tank’s engine failed, that might doom it and the crew, but they wouldn’t just fall out of the sky.

    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn’t work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who’d been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.

    On the other hand, while I couldn’t just now find when Louis Till commuted his crimes, Wikipedia emphasizes the short period between them and his execution, which took place a month after the German surrender in Italy. I don’t know much about the end of the Italian campaign, but looking just now Till might not have been all that far from the front lines. Didn’t find anything about his specialty, but something logistics related would be a good guess.

    • Replies: @Milo Minderbinder
    @That Would Be Telling


    On the other hand, while I couldn’t just now find when Louis Till commuted his crimes, Wikipedia emphasizes the short period between them and his execution, which took place a month after the German surrender in Italy. I don’t know much about the end of the Italian campaign, but looking just now Till might not have been all that far from the front lines. Didn’t find anything about his specialty, but something logistics related would be a good guess.
     
    Top item agenda for the Harris administration will be a Louis Till commutation and apology. Maybe even a new federal holiday.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Till committed his crimes on June 27 and 28, 1944 and was executed 1 year later on July 2, 1945. Nowadays it take decades between crime and execution but in those days I would say that a year was rather a long time.

    Here is a shorter version of Wideman's book length account:

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48989/black-and-white-case/


    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn’t work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who’d been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.
     
    This is going on right now with the Russian Army in Ukraine (and to some extent with the Ukrainian Army also) . Combat (esp. WWI/WWII style combat which is basically what the Russians have been doing and especially offense which requires more manpower than defense) really chews thru the infantry and so you need a LOT of replacements. After a while you will take any warm body whether they are properly trained or suited to the role. Since the people you are sending are not well trained or suited and are often thrown together in poorly trained units that have not drilled together and which have weak leadership, they often don't last very long at the front either which leads to a vicious cycle where you take even less qualified people. After some advances in Luhansk in early July, the Russia offensive appears to have stalled (perhaps in part for this reason) and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian "good will": on 24 August 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Shanghai Cooperation Organization that Russia was deliberately slowing the pace of its military campaign in Ukraine, driven by the need to reduce civilian casualties. But I doubt it.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1563029847848677376

    Till Sr. was with the Transport Corps. as you speculated. Most colored troops (the Army was still segregated during WWII - the US Army was always disproportionately Southern since the days of George Washington and followed Southern folkways) were assigned to logistics (truck driving, loading ships, etc.) because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous - if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @HA, @Anonymous

  20. Not only is Wideman’s son a murderer but his brother is also:

    https://www.duq.edu/news/releases/for-first-time-brothers-robert-wideman-author-john-edgar-wideman-to-publicly-discuss-controversial-homicide-case-

    His brother, Robert “Faruq” Wideman, finally got out of prison after 44 years in 2019. Faruq sought a new trial on the dubious grounds that his victim’s family had sued the hospital for malpractice after he died, thus “proving” that it was the hospital that killed him and not the bullet wounds that were inflicted in the robbery in which Faruq participated. This and 6 other appeals didn’t work but PA’s lib. Dem. governor commuted his sentence anyway. Faruq is now 71 so hopefully he is no longer a threat to society.

    Wideman’s son Jacob appears to have a white phenotype, which maybe shows that blackness is more than skin deep. He committed murder when he was 16 but now he is a middle aged man of 52.

    Jacob was attending a summer camp owned by his maternal grandmother in 1986. Part of the summer’s program was a tour of Western national parks. During a stop at Yellowstone, Jacob bought a knife. On the way to the Grand Canyon, the tour stopped for the night in Flagstaff, AZ. Eric Kane and Jacob were roommates in a hotel there. After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group’s car and \$3,000 in traveler’s checks and drove back to the East Coast.

    So murder runs in the family. I wonder if Emmett Till would have raped or killed someone later in life?

    John Edgar follows the common pattern of blacks who have broken out of the ghetto – he may have gotten out and joined the mainstream, even elite, world but parts of his family remained behind in the ghetto. Maybe the family’s genetic propensity toward violence was what put them in the ghetto in the 1st place?

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Another similar case is that of Robert Peace. Peace, the son of a convicted murderer, was an exceedingly intelligent young man and received a scholarship to Yale. After graduation, he taught school for a while at the private Catholic school that has given him his start, but at some point returned to his family profession of drug dealing in Newark and was murdered (presumably in a drug deal gone bad). His Yale roommate wrote a best selling book about his friend.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2011/05/killed_in_apparent_drug-relate.html#:~:text=Aristide%20Economopoulos%2FThe%20Star%2DLedger,%22drug%2Dmotivated%22%20shooting.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Your brain can't seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death.

    While we're at it, even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Ralph L
    @Jack D

    Part of the summer’s program was a tour of Western national parks.

    Nice camp. Was he overcome by the white privilege on display?

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group’s car and $3,000 in traveler’s checks and drove back to the East Coast.
     
    The very definition of a low-life... killing someone in their sleep...
    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    Evil eyes.

    , @Anymike
    @Jack D

    You make a point and one that needs to be paid attention to. Black criminals and desperados who commit crimes against whites often later commit crimes against black victims. One example was the youth who played the principal role in the killing of the white, middle-aged Seattle-area street musician known as Tuba Man.

    The youth served several years as a juvenile. When he was let out, he killed a 31-year-old black male nightclub patron. The victim apparently was a totally innocent person who was just an ordinary club patron.

    Dameon Williams, who was the man who assaulted white trucker Reginal Denny during the 1992 L.A. riots, later killed a black, middle aged drug dealer and now is serving a 46-year sentence. Okay, the victim was a drug dealer and addict who was running a crack house, so who cares that much? But it could have been someone else too.

  21. Joe “didn’t know” about the FBI raid but he remembers 1955 like it was yesterday

    • Thanks: Stan Adams
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Known Fact

    Characteristic of Alzheimer's patients. You lose your memory from now to then.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Bardon Kaldian

  22. @That Would Be Telling

    Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II....

    Not surprisingly, civilian women in combat zones tended to pay the price of the U.S. Army’s low standards for recruits.
     
    This had a strong bias towards the ground forces. The Army Air Force for example tended to get the best, things like piloting and maintenance had hard floors of competence. If a tank's engine failed, that might doom it and the crew, but they wouldn't just fall out of the sky.

    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn't work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who'd been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.

    On the other hand, while I couldn't just now find when Louis Till commuted his crimes, Wikipedia emphasizes the short period between them and his execution, which took place a month after the German surrender in Italy. I don't know much about the end of the Italian campaign, but looking just now Till might not have been all that far from the front lines. Didn't find anything about his specialty, but something logistics related would be a good guess.

    Replies: @Milo Minderbinder, @Jack D

    On the other hand, while I couldn’t just now find when Louis Till commuted his crimes, Wikipedia emphasizes the short period between them and his execution, which took place a month after the German surrender in Italy. I don’t know much about the end of the Italian campaign, but looking just now Till might not have been all that far from the front lines. Didn’t find anything about his specialty, but something logistics related would be a good guess.

    Top item agenda for the Harris administration will be a Louis Till commutation and apology. Maybe even a new federal holiday.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Milo Minderbinder

    "Top item agenda for the Harris administration will be a Louis Till commutation and apology."

    This fills my head with logistical problems. The olfactory challenge alone is daunting. And the "apology" won't shut him up.

  23. Dead? I didn’t know he was sick!

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  24. @That Would Be Telling

    Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II....

    Not surprisingly, civilian women in combat zones tended to pay the price of the U.S. Army’s low standards for recruits.
     
    This had a strong bias towards the ground forces. The Army Air Force for example tended to get the best, things like piloting and maintenance had hard floors of competence. If a tank's engine failed, that might doom it and the crew, but they wouldn't just fall out of the sky.

    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn't work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who'd been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.

    On the other hand, while I couldn't just now find when Louis Till commuted his crimes, Wikipedia emphasizes the short period between them and his execution, which took place a month after the German surrender in Italy. I don't know much about the end of the Italian campaign, but looking just now Till might not have been all that far from the front lines. Didn't find anything about his specialty, but something logistics related would be a good guess.

    Replies: @Milo Minderbinder, @Jack D

    Till committed his crimes on June 27 and 28, 1944 and was executed 1 year later on July 2, 1945. Nowadays it take decades between crime and execution but in those days I would say that a year was rather a long time.

    Here is a shorter version of Wideman’s book length account:

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48989/black-and-white-case/

    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn’t work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who’d been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.

    This is going on right now with the Russian Army in Ukraine (and to some extent with the Ukrainian Army also) . Combat (esp. WWI/WWII style combat which is basically what the Russians have been doing and especially offense which requires more manpower than defense) really chews thru the infantry and so you need a LOT of replacements. After a while you will take any warm body whether they are properly trained or suited to the role. Since the people you are sending are not well trained or suited and are often thrown together in poorly trained units that have not drilled together and which have weak leadership, they often don’t last very long at the front either which leads to a vicious cycle where you take even less qualified people. After some advances in Luhansk in early July, the Russia offensive appears to have stalled (perhaps in part for this reason) and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian “good will”: on 24 August 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Shanghai Cooperation Organization that Russia was deliberately slowing the pace of its military campaign in Ukraine, driven by the need to reduce civilian casualties. But I doubt it.

    Till Sr. was with the Transport Corps. as you speculated. Most colored troops (the Army was still segregated during WWII – the US Army was always disproportionately Southern since the days of George Washington and followed Southern folkways) were assigned to logistics (truck driving, loading ships, etc.) because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.
     
    Disastrous in Korea as well. Although there has been a concerted effort to clean up the history books in the subsequent decades. I wouldn't be surprised if a big part of the Army's celebrated integration effort was really a recognition that all-black units were not reliable in combat.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @Gordo
    @Jack D

    The UKMoD tweet reads like a teenage girl wrote it. Embarassing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @HA
    @Jack D

    "the Russia offensive appears to have stalled...and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian “good will”..."

    It's a feint!

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.
     
    It soldiers of any race break and run the entire line is endangered.

    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Johann Ricke

  25. Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II.

    Wish it was only “during World War II.” Rapes and murders by American soldiers in bases in Europe and Asia continue to happen to this day, and there isn’t even a war going on.

    Just the other day a drunk female American soldier ran over and killed a 15-year old Italian boy.

    https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/italy-american-soldier-pordenone-crash.html

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-soldier-was-way-over-alcohol-limit-when-she-fatally-struck-group-of-kids-cops-say

    And a rape years ago in Japan:

    https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/01/world/asia/japan-u-s-rape-sentencing/index.html

  26. @Corvinus
    Lol, Mr. Sailer is just as obsessed with Emmitt Til as our “elites”. Now, moving on….

    “Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II.”

    We do think about it, to the contrary. Perhaps you should do some NOTICING yourself rather than make unsubstantiated statements under the guise that it is common knowledge.

    https://history.army.mil/events/ahts2015/presentations/seminar6/sem6_MarkFry_text_ImpactOfEdLevels.pdf

    —One of the ways the war department gathered information on a recruit was to look at his occupation in civilian life. If he was engaged as a skilled workman he mostly likely possessed a higher intelligence level, greater initiative, and a sense of responsibility along with a superior physique then men who were not. This was not an end all be all method of determining a man's eventual assignment, it merely gave the Army an indication as to how well he could adapt to his new role as a combat soldier and leader. Even those with a superior intelligence would have to learn their military job in the Army as there were few crossover occupations from civilian life in the army.

    Despite the fact that there was a war on and the immediate need for manpower was great, the Army understood that it needed to look to the future as well. If it drafted all the young men allowed by the Selective Service and Training Act of 1940 it would eventually run out of trained men capable of performing the technical jobs the Army and eventually the nation would need in the future.

    In order to preserve enough men with these skills, the Army created a special training program in which approximately 150,000 young men could be trained for the future in fields such as medicine and other technical fields. The Army's would be called the Army Specialized Training Program or ASTP. The goal of these programs was to provide the military with specially trained technicians that the Colleges could train more rapidly and efficiently than the Army could within its own organization.

    One of the biggest opponents of the program was Lt. Gen. Lesley J. McNair. Gen. McNair felt the army needed men “with the brains and battlefield skills to defeat the more experienced German and Japanese Armies.”Not being against having men with additional education, but he saw no reason why it provided a better soldier when it came to combat effectiveness.

    The plan was officially announced in the New York Times on December 18, 1942 and gave a description of all that the program would entail. Throughout the winter and spring of 1943 the Army worked diligently to locate and acquire the necessary university and college support for the program. In the spring, more than three hundred colleges and Universities welcomed on campus the nearly 150,000 young men beginning their training. The ASTP term was divided into twelve-week terms with a week off between terms; and offered in two phases, a basic and an advanced. The basic phase covered what a college or university student would cover in the first year and a half of college in three sessions over nine months, while the advanced phase covered from the point the basic phase left off until the student was at a level of expertise “commensurate with the Army's needs.” The one deviation was in the medical field, where medical, dental, and veterinary students participated in accelerated courses approved by their respective professional educating associations.

    In order to be considered for ASTP, the recruit must meet a series of criteria. One he must have a high school diploma. Two, he must have scored an 110 or higher on the AGCT. This was the same threshold set for entrance to Officer Candidate school (OCS), although this score was later changed to 115 for the ASTP. Three, he must have completed basic training. For older men who might have already attended some college, the criteria were slightly different. They must have had completed at least one year of college and had “substantial background” in a foreign language or a year of mathematics, physics, or biology. For those with more than three years of college they must have majored in pre-dentistry, pre-medicine, or engineering, or “substantial background” in one or more foreign languages.—

    Replies: @Jack D, @I, Libertine, @Wade Hampton

    The story of the ASTP is very interesting and in fact is related to “scraping the bottom of the barrel” but not in the way that you say. Implicit in the ASTP was the Army’s recognition (at least some parts of the Army) that if you sent the flower of the nation’s youth to their deaths in combat you would be crippling America’s future potential – better to send the Louis Tills of America, whose loss would be no great loss. European civilization has never really recovered from the losses of WWI (and II) and America’s post WWII (dubious) intellectual ascendancy was in part driven by the fact that in the land of the blind, one eyed men are kings. So the ASTP was intended to spare some of the more promising youth (not so much for the postwar world, but because of the Army’s understanding that in a protracted war we would also run out of combat necessary doctors, etc. unless we kept training up more). At the same time, the Army was glad to take folks like Till Sr. who were otherwise headed to prison because they needed lots of warm bodies for combat and logistics roles.

    My late father in law was drafted into the infantry in WWII despite having a job at the Frankford Arsenal where he had been working on designing machine guns for aircraft, because of this need for warm bodies. I guess they figured that they could get some old guy who was beyond draft age or disabled to work at the Arsenal instead, while he was more needed at the front.

    He was sent to a unit that was slated for the invasion of the Pacific. As an experiment, this unit was supposed to build their own camp in the jungle and as practice for this, they were sent to build their own camp in North Carolina – this probably also save the Army \$ vs. hiring contractors. Conditions in this camp were rather primitive. While there, my FIL was befriended by the camp’s Protestant chaplain (despite the fact that my FIL was Jewish/atheist) on the basis that he and the chaplain were among the few people there who could read without moving their lips. The chaplain tried to convince him to go to Officer Candidate School because of his extremely high score on the AGCT, the highest that the chaplain had ever seen (my FIL later became a mechanical engineer and a business executive – the president of a large truck trailer manufacturer. He designed the corner fixture which is now a part of every single shipping container on earth.) But my FIL knew that the casualty rate among 1st lieutenants was exceptionally high and he declined.

    My FIL had always suffered from asthma (in those days there were few effective medications). One day his toothless sergeant ordered him to sweep out a dusty cabin. Of course in those days there was no such thing as a dust mask or respirator. He told the sergeant that he had asthma and this assignment would surely put him in the hospital. The sarge accused him of malingering and ordered him to sweep anyway. Sure enough this put him in the hospital and was his ticket out of the Army.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  27. @Jack D
    Not only is Wideman's son a murderer but his brother is also:

    https://www.duq.edu/news/releases/for-first-time-brothers-robert-wideman-author-john-edgar-wideman-to-publicly-discuss-controversial-homicide-case-

    His brother, Robert "Faruq" Wideman, finally got out of prison after 44 years in 2019. Faruq sought a new trial on the dubious grounds that his victim's family had sued the hospital for malpractice after he died, thus "proving" that it was the hospital that killed him and not the bullet wounds that were inflicted in the robbery in which Faruq participated. This and 6 other appeals didn't work but PA's lib. Dem. governor commuted his sentence anyway. Faruq is now 71 so hopefully he is no longer a threat to society.

    Wideman's son Jacob appears to have a white phenotype, which maybe shows that blackness is more than skin deep. He committed murder when he was 16 but now he is a middle aged man of 52.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/01/PPHX/92b4c88b-92f4-4d47-bf2f-8e14ec74b528-Jacob_Wideman.jpg?width=300&height=375&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    Jacob was attending a summer camp owned by his maternal grandmother in 1986. Part of the summer's program was a tour of Western national parks. During a stop at Yellowstone, Jacob bought a knife. On the way to the Grand Canyon, the tour stopped for the night in Flagstaff, AZ. Eric Kane and Jacob were roommates in a hotel there. After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group's car and $3,000 in traveler's checks and drove back to the East Coast.

    So murder runs in the family. I wonder if Emmett Till would have raped or killed someone later in life?

    John Edgar follows the common pattern of blacks who have broken out of the ghetto - he may have gotten out and joined the mainstream, even elite, world but parts of his family remained behind in the ghetto. Maybe the family's genetic propensity toward violence was what put them in the ghetto in the 1st place?

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Another similar case is that of Robert Peace. Peace, the son of a convicted murderer, was an exceedingly intelligent young man and received a scholarship to Yale. After graduation, he taught school for a while at the private Catholic school that has given him his start, but at some point returned to his family profession of drug dealing in Newark and was murdered (presumably in a drug deal gone bad). His Yale roommate wrote a best selling book about his friend.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2011/05/killed_in_apparent_drug-relate.html#:~:text=Aristide%20Economopoulos%2FThe%20Star%2DLedger,%22drug%2Dmotivated%22%20shooting.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @Joe Stalin, @Anon, @Anymike

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Your brain can’t seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death.

    While we’re at it, even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    I don't remember all of the details, but I vaguely recall her mentioning that the ghetto branch of her family had various run ins with the law. I don't think murder was mentioned but some very large % of ghetto males have some sort of record of incarceration or are on probation, etc. And keep in mind that the clearance rate for most crimes is rather low. Sometimes they will catch a guy in the middle of stealing a catalytic converter and when they open the trunk of his car there are a bunch of other ones in there which may just be that evening's harvest and sometimes the trail will lead back to a garage where there are hundreds, etc. The same is true for burglary, robbery, etc. A lot of black men have very "vibrant" youthful periods and then settle down and become ordinary blue collars zhlubs as they age.

    Your brain can’t seem to distinguish that while some fairly high % of the black population works at one time or another, this doesn't mean that the people who are working are also not committing crimes or have sons (and increasingly daughters) who are committing crimes. This is why have a high (or even significant) % of blue collar blacks in your neighborhood is a death knell for the white inhabitants - having them around as a group will make the neighborhood unlivable even if most of them are reasonably honest.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

     

    Even in a city like Philly, only maybe 1 black in 1,000 will commit murder in any given year (although if you were to focus on say black men between age 16 to 39 the rate would be much higher). But this is still many times greater than the white homicide rate. It's not just murder and shooting that makes the ghetto unlivable but all of the day to day crime - the graffiti and vandalism and minor theft , not to mention the armed robberies and car jackings, etc. Everyone becomes a crime victim eventually and many suffer repeatedly.

    Last weekend I happened to visit an exceptionally white part of PA (Sullivan County PA is 96% white - you don't need to go to Idaho to experience whiteness). One of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was - people left out boats and bikes, the unmanned farm stand had an honor box for payment, etc. I would bet that a lot of people there leave their houses unlocked and their car keys in the ignition too. It's just assumed that people won't take stuff that doesn't belong to them. It really lifts a psychic burden if you don't have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.

    Replies: @Gordo, @BfloBob, @Fungus Among Us

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "Your brain can't seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death."

    Ever stand behind a cash register? Eight hours of stabbing people to death fantasies. (It's a good way to kill time)

    Replies: @James of Africa

  28. @Corvinus
    Lol, Mr. Sailer is just as obsessed with Emmitt Til as our “elites”. Now, moving on….

    “Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II.”

    We do think about it, to the contrary. Perhaps you should do some NOTICING yourself rather than make unsubstantiated statements under the guise that it is common knowledge.

    https://history.army.mil/events/ahts2015/presentations/seminar6/sem6_MarkFry_text_ImpactOfEdLevels.pdf

    —One of the ways the war department gathered information on a recruit was to look at his occupation in civilian life. If he was engaged as a skilled workman he mostly likely possessed a higher intelligence level, greater initiative, and a sense of responsibility along with a superior physique then men who were not. This was not an end all be all method of determining a man's eventual assignment, it merely gave the Army an indication as to how well he could adapt to his new role as a combat soldier and leader. Even those with a superior intelligence would have to learn their military job in the Army as there were few crossover occupations from civilian life in the army.

    Despite the fact that there was a war on and the immediate need for manpower was great, the Army understood that it needed to look to the future as well. If it drafted all the young men allowed by the Selective Service and Training Act of 1940 it would eventually run out of trained men capable of performing the technical jobs the Army and eventually the nation would need in the future.

    In order to preserve enough men with these skills, the Army created a special training program in which approximately 150,000 young men could be trained for the future in fields such as medicine and other technical fields. The Army's would be called the Army Specialized Training Program or ASTP. The goal of these programs was to provide the military with specially trained technicians that the Colleges could train more rapidly and efficiently than the Army could within its own organization.

    One of the biggest opponents of the program was Lt. Gen. Lesley J. McNair. Gen. McNair felt the army needed men “with the brains and battlefield skills to defeat the more experienced German and Japanese Armies.”Not being against having men with additional education, but he saw no reason why it provided a better soldier when it came to combat effectiveness.

    The plan was officially announced in the New York Times on December 18, 1942 and gave a description of all that the program would entail. Throughout the winter and spring of 1943 the Army worked diligently to locate and acquire the necessary university and college support for the program. In the spring, more than three hundred colleges and Universities welcomed on campus the nearly 150,000 young men beginning their training. The ASTP term was divided into twelve-week terms with a week off between terms; and offered in two phases, a basic and an advanced. The basic phase covered what a college or university student would cover in the first year and a half of college in three sessions over nine months, while the advanced phase covered from the point the basic phase left off until the student was at a level of expertise “commensurate with the Army's needs.” The one deviation was in the medical field, where medical, dental, and veterinary students participated in accelerated courses approved by their respective professional educating associations.

    In order to be considered for ASTP, the recruit must meet a series of criteria. One he must have a high school diploma. Two, he must have scored an 110 or higher on the AGCT. This was the same threshold set for entrance to Officer Candidate school (OCS), although this score was later changed to 115 for the ASTP. Three, he must have completed basic training. For older men who might have already attended some college, the criteria were slightly different. They must have had completed at least one year of college and had “substantial background” in a foreign language or a year of mathematics, physics, or biology. For those with more than three years of college they must have majored in pre-dentistry, pre-medicine, or engineering, or “substantial background” in one or more foreign languages.—

    Replies: @Jack D, @I, Libertine, @Wade Hampton

    In the seventies, as the war was ending, I was the chief enlisted assistant to the psychiatrist for an infantry division. One of our duties was to psychologically evaluate soldiers who were being discharged for disciplinary reasons.

    Commonly, the “exit interview” I conducted with these incorrigibles included an exchange of this nature:

    Q. So, why did you enlist in the Army?
    A. Well, the judge told me that I’d better have signed up by my next court date, or he’d send me me to jail.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @I, Libertine

    “Commonly, the “exit interview” I conducted with these incorrigibles included an exchange of this nature:“

    Of course there were “degenerates” who were soldiers in WW2. But Mr. Sailer made an unsubstantiated claim You seem to be falling for his trick—make a statement without evidence to back it up, because he believes it is a truism.

    So were the majority of white American soldiers in WW2 the “bottom of the barrel”? What proof do you have to support that contention?

    Replies: @I, Libertine, @William Badwhite

  29. OT — Great Replacement is a racist conspiracy theory, but also you deserve it, and also here’s literal Great Replacement propaganda.
    https://www.netflix.com/es-en/title/81312828

  30. @Jack D
    Not only is Wideman's son a murderer but his brother is also:

    https://www.duq.edu/news/releases/for-first-time-brothers-robert-wideman-author-john-edgar-wideman-to-publicly-discuss-controversial-homicide-case-

    His brother, Robert "Faruq" Wideman, finally got out of prison after 44 years in 2019. Faruq sought a new trial on the dubious grounds that his victim's family had sued the hospital for malpractice after he died, thus "proving" that it was the hospital that killed him and not the bullet wounds that were inflicted in the robbery in which Faruq participated. This and 6 other appeals didn't work but PA's lib. Dem. governor commuted his sentence anyway. Faruq is now 71 so hopefully he is no longer a threat to society.

    Wideman's son Jacob appears to have a white phenotype, which maybe shows that blackness is more than skin deep. He committed murder when he was 16 but now he is a middle aged man of 52.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/01/PPHX/92b4c88b-92f4-4d47-bf2f-8e14ec74b528-Jacob_Wideman.jpg?width=300&height=375&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    Jacob was attending a summer camp owned by his maternal grandmother in 1986. Part of the summer's program was a tour of Western national parks. During a stop at Yellowstone, Jacob bought a knife. On the way to the Grand Canyon, the tour stopped for the night in Flagstaff, AZ. Eric Kane and Jacob were roommates in a hotel there. After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group's car and $3,000 in traveler's checks and drove back to the East Coast.

    So murder runs in the family. I wonder if Emmett Till would have raped or killed someone later in life?

    John Edgar follows the common pattern of blacks who have broken out of the ghetto - he may have gotten out and joined the mainstream, even elite, world but parts of his family remained behind in the ghetto. Maybe the family's genetic propensity toward violence was what put them in the ghetto in the 1st place?

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Another similar case is that of Robert Peace. Peace, the son of a convicted murderer, was an exceedingly intelligent young man and received a scholarship to Yale. After graduation, he taught school for a while at the private Catholic school that has given him his start, but at some point returned to his family profession of drug dealing in Newark and was murdered (presumably in a drug deal gone bad). His Yale roommate wrote a best selling book about his friend.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2011/05/killed_in_apparent_drug-relate.html#:~:text=Aristide%20Economopoulos%2FThe%20Star%2DLedger,%22drug%2Dmotivated%22%20shooting.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @Joe Stalin, @Anon, @Anymike

    Part of the summer’s program was a tour of Western national parks.

    Nice camp. Was he overcome by the white privilege on display?

  31. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Till committed his crimes on June 27 and 28, 1944 and was executed 1 year later on July 2, 1945. Nowadays it take decades between crime and execution but in those days I would say that a year was rather a long time.

    Here is a shorter version of Wideman's book length account:

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48989/black-and-white-case/


    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn’t work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who’d been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.
     
    This is going on right now with the Russian Army in Ukraine (and to some extent with the Ukrainian Army also) . Combat (esp. WWI/WWII style combat which is basically what the Russians have been doing and especially offense which requires more manpower than defense) really chews thru the infantry and so you need a LOT of replacements. After a while you will take any warm body whether they are properly trained or suited to the role. Since the people you are sending are not well trained or suited and are often thrown together in poorly trained units that have not drilled together and which have weak leadership, they often don't last very long at the front either which leads to a vicious cycle where you take even less qualified people. After some advances in Luhansk in early July, the Russia offensive appears to have stalled (perhaps in part for this reason) and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian "good will": on 24 August 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Shanghai Cooperation Organization that Russia was deliberately slowing the pace of its military campaign in Ukraine, driven by the need to reduce civilian casualties. But I doubt it.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1563029847848677376

    Till Sr. was with the Transport Corps. as you speculated. Most colored troops (the Army was still segregated during WWII - the US Army was always disproportionately Southern since the days of George Washington and followed Southern folkways) were assigned to logistics (truck driving, loading ships, etc.) because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous - if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @HA, @Anonymous

    attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    Disastrous in Korea as well. Although there has been a concerted effort to clean up the history books in the subsequent decades. I wouldn’t be surprised if a big part of the Army’s celebrated integration effort was really a recognition that all-black units were not reliable in combat.

    • Thanks: JR Ewing
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is also why the remnants of official segregation in the US armed forces ended. There were unfortunate experiences when mainly or all-Black units were hit by North Korean or Chinese attacks.

  32. America should have stayed out of WW2 and even more so WW1. A great book on this is NO CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

    Both American interventions were unnecessary and disastrous.

    • Replies: @Fungus Among Us
    @anonymouseperson


    Both American interventions were unnecessary and disastrous
     
    Speak for yourself, gentile.
  33. Pop singer Nico was supposedly raped by a black American serviceman when she was around 12 years old.

    Her song “Secret Side” is said to be about the incident.

  34. Breaking News! President Biden Reveals That Emmett Till Is Dead.

    Perhaps sometime in the future no one will get this reference, but I, for one, am glad that it is still part of the zeitgeist.

  35. If Emmett Till, subject of apparently the most egregious lynching in American history, was a sexual predator, then the typical lynchee must have been guilty of absolutely horrible crimes.

    • Replies: @Anymike
    @Chebyshev

    About half of the victims were guilty of capital crimes. Many of the others were guilty of major crimes.

    I have met one person in my life who was present a lynching. The victims were white. This was the St. James Park incident in 1933. The person who was there was a friend's father. I of course did not talk to him about it. My friend told me the story. But I did meet him.

    The lynching victims had murdered the adult son of a prominent local physician in a bungled kidnapping plot.

    This type of scenario probably was the most common one in the entire history of vigilante capital justice in the United States. There even were some cases where blacks lynched white perpetrators. The local whites did not get too upset about it because they knew the lynching victim was a depraved criminal. In at least one case of a white man having been lynched by blacks, the local coroner ruled it a justifiable homicide.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  36. Another favorite axiom about the cultural life of the Armed Services: “Military music is to music as military law is to law.”

    • Thanks: Fungus Among Us
  37. OT, Notting Hill Carnival, London

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I think Steve's done this story before...

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/aug/30/man-fatally-stabbed-notting-hill-carnival-rapper-bristol-takayo-nembhard


    A “kind-hearted and loving” rapper who was due to become a father was stabbed to death at Notting Hill carnival.

    Takayo Nembhard, known as TKorStretch, was at the event with his sister and friends when he was attacked about 8pm on Monday.

    The Metropolitan police said hundreds of people had been in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene in Ladbroke Grove, west London, as detectives launched a murder investigation.

    Nembhard’s girlfriend, Oshian Edwards, has spoken of her heartbreak as she paid tribute to the 21-year-old from Bristol, with whom she was expecting a baby in November.

    “You was the most kind hearted, loving, funny and caring person,” she wrote in a post on Instagram alongside photos of Nembhard cradling her baby bump.

     

  38. I think the overlooked story, one that should generate moral outrage is the rush to judgment on the summary execution of Louis Till. I see two lynchings, not one.

    • Replies: @The Problem with Midway
    @James Speaks

    One year from commission of a crime to carrying out the sentence is not a rush to judgement.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @Alden
    @James Speaks

    I hereby sentence you to suffer what black sub human monsters did to Christian and Christopher Newsome on January 5 and 6 2007 and what John Doe unidentified White male suffered December 21 to December 24 1973 at the hands of the Zebra Killers.,

    But for months, not 2 ,3 days really truly.

  39. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Your brain can't seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death.

    While we're at it, even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb

    I don’t remember all of the details, but I vaguely recall her mentioning that the ghetto branch of her family had various run ins with the law. I don’t think murder was mentioned but some very large % of ghetto males have some sort of record of incarceration or are on probation, etc. And keep in mind that the clearance rate for most crimes is rather low. Sometimes they will catch a guy in the middle of stealing a catalytic converter and when they open the trunk of his car there are a bunch of other ones in there which may just be that evening’s harvest and sometimes the trail will lead back to a garage where there are hundreds, etc. The same is true for burglary, robbery, etc. A lot of black men have very “vibrant” youthful periods and then settle down and become ordinary blue collars zhlubs as they age.

    Your brain can’t seem to distinguish that while some fairly high % of the black population works at one time or another, this doesn’t mean that the people who are working are also not committing crimes or have sons (and increasingly daughters) who are committing crimes. This is why have a high (or even significant) % of blue collar blacks in your neighborhood is a death knell for the white inhabitants – having them around as a group will make the neighborhood unlivable even if most of them are reasonably honest.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    And keep in mind that the clearance rate for most crimes is rather low.

    Black male birth cohorts have for some time been around 270,000 a year in size. From police reports and survey research you can determine that in a typical year, north of 8,000 homicides are committed by black males.


    Your brain can’t seem to distinguish that while some fairly high % of the black population works at one time or another, this doesn’t mean that the people who are working are also not committing crimes or have sons (and increasingly daughters) who are committing crimes.

    It's not at 'one time or another'. It's at any given time the share of blacks who are employed is about 10% lower than the share of the other coarse racial categories.

    As for young men, see Herrnstein and Wilson in Crime and Human Nature. A history of criminal activity is bog standard among young men of all races. It usually isn't serious enough and frequent enough to land you in the soup. For some, it is.

  40. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Your brain can't seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death.

    While we're at it, even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb

    even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

    Even in a city like Philly, only maybe 1 black in 1,000 will commit murder in any given year (although if you were to focus on say black men between age 16 to 39 the rate would be much higher). But this is still many times greater than the white homicide rate. It’s not just murder and shooting that makes the ghetto unlivable but all of the day to day crime – the graffiti and vandalism and minor theft , not to mention the armed robberies and car jackings, etc. Everyone becomes a crime victim eventually and many suffer repeatedly.

    Last weekend I happened to visit an exceptionally white part of PA (Sullivan County PA is 96% white – you don’t need to go to Idaho to experience whiteness). One of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was – people left out boats and bikes, the unmanned farm stand had an honor box for payment, etc. I would bet that a lot of people there leave their houses unlocked and their car keys in the ignition too. It’s just assumed that people won’t take stuff that doesn’t belong to them. It really lifts a psychic burden if you don’t have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Jack D


    It really lifts a psychic burden if you don’t have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.
     
    Plus they are noisy, why do they have to be so noisy?

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Jack D, @Lurker

    , @BfloBob
    @Jack D

    AMEN, Jack D ! I'm 55 and grew up like that - still happens where I live now (not far from the PA line with NY) - semi-country living has it's advantages...

    , @Fungus Among Us
    @Jack D


    Sullivan County PA is 96% white...one of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was – people left out boats and bikes,
     
    Thanks for posting. This explains the sudden spike in bus ticket sales from North Philly to Sullivan County

    Replies: @Jack D

  41. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Till committed his crimes on June 27 and 28, 1944 and was executed 1 year later on July 2, 1945. Nowadays it take decades between crime and execution but in those days I would say that a year was rather a long time.

    Here is a shorter version of Wideman's book length account:

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48989/black-and-white-case/


    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn’t work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who’d been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.
     
    This is going on right now with the Russian Army in Ukraine (and to some extent with the Ukrainian Army also) . Combat (esp. WWI/WWII style combat which is basically what the Russians have been doing and especially offense which requires more manpower than defense) really chews thru the infantry and so you need a LOT of replacements. After a while you will take any warm body whether they are properly trained or suited to the role. Since the people you are sending are not well trained or suited and are often thrown together in poorly trained units that have not drilled together and which have weak leadership, they often don't last very long at the front either which leads to a vicious cycle where you take even less qualified people. After some advances in Luhansk in early July, the Russia offensive appears to have stalled (perhaps in part for this reason) and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian "good will": on 24 August 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Shanghai Cooperation Organization that Russia was deliberately slowing the pace of its military campaign in Ukraine, driven by the need to reduce civilian casualties. But I doubt it.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1563029847848677376

    Till Sr. was with the Transport Corps. as you speculated. Most colored troops (the Army was still segregated during WWII - the US Army was always disproportionately Southern since the days of George Washington and followed Southern folkways) were assigned to logistics (truck driving, loading ships, etc.) because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous - if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @HA, @Anonymous

    The UKMoD tweet reads like a teenage girl wrote it. Embarassing.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Gordo

    It probably was written by a young woman but what about it is embarrassing, keeping in mind that Tweets are intended to be very brief - in most cases less than 140 characters?

  42. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

     

    Even in a city like Philly, only maybe 1 black in 1,000 will commit murder in any given year (although if you were to focus on say black men between age 16 to 39 the rate would be much higher). But this is still many times greater than the white homicide rate. It's not just murder and shooting that makes the ghetto unlivable but all of the day to day crime - the graffiti and vandalism and minor theft , not to mention the armed robberies and car jackings, etc. Everyone becomes a crime victim eventually and many suffer repeatedly.

    Last weekend I happened to visit an exceptionally white part of PA (Sullivan County PA is 96% white - you don't need to go to Idaho to experience whiteness). One of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was - people left out boats and bikes, the unmanned farm stand had an honor box for payment, etc. I would bet that a lot of people there leave their houses unlocked and their car keys in the ignition too. It's just assumed that people won't take stuff that doesn't belong to them. It really lifts a psychic burden if you don't have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.

    Replies: @Gordo, @BfloBob, @Fungus Among Us

    It really lifts a psychic burden if you don’t have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.

    Plus they are noisy, why do they have to be so noisy?

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @Gordo

    Vibrant. The word is vibrant. The vibrancy is especially potent while trying to sleep.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Jack D
    @Gordo

    For the same reason that dogs pee on fire hydrants - to mark their territory.

    , @Lurker
    @Gordo

    How else are they supposed to keep it real?

  43. It is worth noting on today’s “Till Breaking News” story that it is a commonplace authoritarian regime propaganda gimmick to take some low life criminal who was caught and/or executed or killed, and turn said (now safely dead) criminal into a fake Folk Hero.

    Either as some “victim of injustice” or just because a suitable martyr is required.

    While Till Jr. was the victim of an extra legal killing (still common in “the hood” for certain offenses) his father certainly wasn’t. Nor was Martyr Till innocent of misbehavior as his contemporaries appeared to believe.

    If Till Jr. were White, no one would care. Most lynching victims in the old days were not black. Most were White offenders often taken from custody and hanged. Blacks probably were more at risk for this but it usually wasn’t racially motivated. Reading accounts of late 19th century Texas outlaws, and you find many bank robbers and shootists being lynched when caught by posses. None of these were black.

    Cynical manipulation of the public over fake martyrs is now a Democrat Party thing. Having Pelosi’s Kapital Kops murder Ashley Babbit is not on their menu for martyrdom.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Muggles


    If Till Jr. were White, no one would care.
     
    If he were White, the chorus would sing “Fuck around and find out.”
  44. @Stan Adams
    Private Louis Till was convicted of raping two Italian women, Benni Lucrezia and Frieda Mari, and of killing a third, Anna Nanchi.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=4OFSSHidzT0C&pg=PA117

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Anon, @Wade Hampton

    Private Louis Till was convicted of raping two Italian women, Benni Lucrezia and Frieda Mari, and of killing a third, Anna Nanchi.

    Out here in the west, we have a group called “E Clampus Vitus”, which puts up little historical plaques here and there pertaining mostly to the history of the old west. The refer to themselves as “Clampers”

    I’d like to see a similar type group put up plaques honoring these women wherever there is an Emmett Tell street of park. Set up a go fund me, I’ll kick in a benji…

  45. @Jack D
    Not only is Wideman's son a murderer but his brother is also:

    https://www.duq.edu/news/releases/for-first-time-brothers-robert-wideman-author-john-edgar-wideman-to-publicly-discuss-controversial-homicide-case-

    His brother, Robert "Faruq" Wideman, finally got out of prison after 44 years in 2019. Faruq sought a new trial on the dubious grounds that his victim's family had sued the hospital for malpractice after he died, thus "proving" that it was the hospital that killed him and not the bullet wounds that were inflicted in the robbery in which Faruq participated. This and 6 other appeals didn't work but PA's lib. Dem. governor commuted his sentence anyway. Faruq is now 71 so hopefully he is no longer a threat to society.

    Wideman's son Jacob appears to have a white phenotype, which maybe shows that blackness is more than skin deep. He committed murder when he was 16 but now he is a middle aged man of 52.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/01/PPHX/92b4c88b-92f4-4d47-bf2f-8e14ec74b528-Jacob_Wideman.jpg?width=300&height=375&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    Jacob was attending a summer camp owned by his maternal grandmother in 1986. Part of the summer's program was a tour of Western national parks. During a stop at Yellowstone, Jacob bought a knife. On the way to the Grand Canyon, the tour stopped for the night in Flagstaff, AZ. Eric Kane and Jacob were roommates in a hotel there. After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group's car and $3,000 in traveler's checks and drove back to the East Coast.

    So murder runs in the family. I wonder if Emmett Till would have raped or killed someone later in life?

    John Edgar follows the common pattern of blacks who have broken out of the ghetto - he may have gotten out and joined the mainstream, even elite, world but parts of his family remained behind in the ghetto. Maybe the family's genetic propensity toward violence was what put them in the ghetto in the 1st place?

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Another similar case is that of Robert Peace. Peace, the son of a convicted murderer, was an exceedingly intelligent young man and received a scholarship to Yale. After graduation, he taught school for a while at the private Catholic school that has given him his start, but at some point returned to his family profession of drug dealing in Newark and was murdered (presumably in a drug deal gone bad). His Yale roommate wrote a best selling book about his friend.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2011/05/killed_in_apparent_drug-relate.html#:~:text=Aristide%20Economopoulos%2FThe%20Star%2DLedger,%22drug%2Dmotivated%22%20shooting.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @Joe Stalin, @Anon, @Anymike

    After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group’s car and \$3,000 in traveler’s checks and drove back to the East Coast.

    The very definition of a low-life… killing someone in their sleep…

  46. The President should apologize to the Italian people for Louis Till’s crimes against the women of Italy.

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Where we really owe the Europeans an apology is the terrible ideological stupidity of minoritarianism, diversity and immigrationism that we have propagandized and pushed and normalized since the War.

    People get killed, maimed, raped, starved, stunted, traumatized during war. (War is bad.) But the survivors rebuild, couples get married and have children … the nation recovers.

    But the damage American minoritarian ideology has inflicted can never be fully repaired, and may–if it keeps rolling along much longer–simply destroy Europe.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don't owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s--t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn't get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldlan, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnotherDad


    "People get killed, maimed, raped, starved, stunted, traumatized during war. (War is bad.) But the survivors rebuild, couples get married and have children … the nation recovers.

    But the damage American minoritarian ideology has inflicted can never be fully repaired, and may–if it keeps rolling along much longer–simply destroy Europe."
     
    Yes. Poland has been invaded from Sweden, France, Germany, Russia and the USSR over the last 200 years. Millions of Poles have died, the borders have moved back and forth - it's been pretty awful.

    But at the end of all that awfulness, the Poles are still there and Poland is still theirs. The Soviets may have been communists, but they didn't import a new people.

    In England, supposed victor of WW2, something like 33% of all births are now to foreign born mothers. That's basically come about since the 1960s - in 60 years the character of England has been changed forever for the worse.

    England's fate is Poland's future.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  47. @Gordo
    @Jack D


    It really lifts a psychic burden if you don’t have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.
     
    Plus they are noisy, why do they have to be so noisy?

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Jack D, @Lurker

    Vibrant. The word is vibrant. The vibrancy is especially potent while trying to sleep.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @puttheforkdown

    Vibrant. The word is vibrant. The vibrancy is especially potent while trying to sleep.

    Speaking of which, I came across the following story today
    https://ew.com/tv/natalie-portman-lady-in-the-lake-extortion-threats

    "Natalie Portman series Lady in the Lake hits pause after threats of violence and extortion: While filming the series in Baltimore this weekend, multiple individuals threatened a member of the crew, according to a statement from studio Endeavor Content provided to EW. A spokesperson for the Baltimore PD told the Los Angeles Times that "the locals" had warned the producers that they would "come back later" that evening and "shoot someone" if the production didn't shut down or pay them $50,000. A separate report from the Baltimore Banner referred to the perpetrators as "drug dealers."

    "The safety and security of our crew, cast and all who work across our productions is our highest priority, and we are thankful no one was injured," Endeavor's statement continues. "Production will resume with increased security measures going forward. It has been a privilege filming Lady in the Lake in Baltimore, working with its vibrant community across many areas."

    A privilege, indeed. Perhaps a White privilege?

    Replies: @Rob McX

  48. I recently read a book on America’s WWII campaign in North Africa. The author discusses prostitution and VD. Something like 30% of white soldiers in the theater contracted a venereal disease, while virtually 100% of the black soldiers did.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Hank Archer

    And then I said to Corn Pop, "Until you've had the clap, you ain't really black!"

  49. @Muggles
    It is worth noting on today's "Till Breaking News" story that it is a commonplace authoritarian regime propaganda gimmick to take some low life criminal who was caught and/or executed or killed, and turn said (now safely dead) criminal into a fake Folk Hero.

    Either as some "victim of injustice" or just because a suitable martyr is required.

    While Till Jr. was the victim of an extra legal killing (still common in "the hood" for certain offenses) his father certainly wasn't. Nor was Martyr Till innocent of misbehavior as his contemporaries appeared to believe.

    If Till Jr. were White, no one would care. Most lynching victims in the old days were not black. Most were White offenders often taken from custody and hanged. Blacks probably were more at risk for this but it usually wasn't racially motivated. Reading accounts of late 19th century Texas outlaws, and you find many bank robbers and shootists being lynched when caught by posses. None of these were black.

    Cynical manipulation of the public over fake martyrs is now a Democrat Party thing. Having Pelosi's Kapital Kops murder Ashley Babbit is not on their menu for martyrdom.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If Till Jr. were White, no one would care.

    If he were White, the chorus would sing “Fuck around and find out.”

  50. @michael droy

    After all, more blacks than whites per capita were convicted of raping European women during WWII,
     
    Of course.

    To get a conviction of rape is pretty hard, even then.
    You'd need to convince the local jury (or easier the military board) that :
    a) the woman really had said no
    b) the man might actually do such a thing,
    c) the testimony of the man (and perhaps his colleagues) was worth little

    All of which would be much much easier for a black accused than a white accused.

    Here in Britain American white troops (Over-sexed, Over Paid and Over Here) were widely presumed to be seducing Brits with husbands away fighting. Many women were said to wear "American knickers" (one yank and they are off).

    But even though Black Americans were largely surprised at how welcoming the Brits were, it would be very very difficult to persuade a 1940s jury that a woman had consented to sex with a black man.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Ancient Briton, @Robert Paulson

    I don’t see why Black troops would be prosecuted when FDR and Churchill agreed to look the other way on rape by the Russians.

    US troops were actually ordered to stand down.

    Same thing happened in Afghanistan. They were supposed to look the other way if they found a local chief with a boy.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “I don’t see why Black troops would be prosecuted when FDR and Churchill agreed to look the other way on rape by the Russians.”

    The Russians weren’t under American control.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  51. SMK says: • Website

    What’s next? Will Biden sign a Channon Christian/Christopher Newsome anti-carjacking, abduction, gang-rape, torture, mutilation, and murder Act? I doubt if he’s even heard of the Knoxville horror, which occurred in 2007 and was 100 times worse than the “lynching” of Emmet Till, or the Wichita massacre, which was 50 times worse than the murder of Till.

    But these atrocities, of course, among the worst crimes in all of US and world history, weren’t driven by hate nor by “racism,” since only whites can be “racists” and racial “bigots” and “supremacists.”

    When was the last white-on-black lynching? Sometime in the 1960s, I believe, and I’m sure the “victim” was ‘lynched” because he raped and/or murdered a white female, as was true in most lynchings.

    But signing an “Anti-Lynching Act” in 2022 was exigent to prevent blacks from being lynched by whites today and in the future in a country in which blacks are 25-30 times more likely to murder whites than vice versa -to say nothing of the ratios for aggravated assaults, muggings, armed robberies, rapes, gang-rapes, etc.

  52. @AnotherDad

    The President should apologize to the Italian people for Louis Till's crimes against the women of Italy.
     
    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were--as they'd done in the first war--inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Where we really owe the Europeans an apology is the terrible ideological stupidity of minoritarianism, diversity and immigrationism that we have propagandized and pushed and normalized since the War.

    People get killed, maimed, raped, starved, stunted, traumatized during war. (War is bad.) But the survivors rebuild, couples get married and have children ... the nation recovers.

    But the damage American minoritarian ideology has inflicted can never be fully repaired, and may--if it keeps rolling along much longer--simply destroy Europe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @YetAnotherAnon

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don’t owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s–t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn’t get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    • Agree: AKAHorace
    • Thanks: Jack D
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @John Johnson

    It's hard to remember given how over-the-top brutal the German occupation of Poland would turn out to be, but the Polish and German governments had a non-aggression pact between 1934 and 1939. That the Third Reich might have appeared as the lesser of two evils wasn't nearly as crazy as people think, for several reasons:

    1) The Nazis seemed to be overwhelmingly focused on the Bolshevik menace. Unlike the Weimar Republic, which was their closest European ally and steadfastly refused to recognize the postwar border.

    2) Nor did the Nazi leadership come from the Prussian deep state or military caste that would have been the driving force behind any German aggression toward them, and despite their hostility toward leftists, helped drive the 1920s alliance with the USSR. Hitler himself seemed to come out of the traditional southern pan-German milieu that would direct him toward Austria and the Czech lands, the latter of whom Poland was also eying.

    3) Finally, Poland was itself ruled by a right-wing authoritarian government, presiding over a multi-racial polity where largest minority bordered their co-ethnics in the USSR and whose dictator would disproportionately target ethnic Poles during his purges. (It's worth noting that Warsaw also had a non-aggression pact with the USSR, but given the USSR's attitude toward the external world during the time, this meant little. I believe the key to understanding history and the choices people made is that you need to ignore what you know is coming.) It didn't have the luxury of being choosy. It also had little ideological sympathy toward Hitler's domestic enemies, or the kinds of left-wing Western critics that dominated the anti-Nazi Anglosphere media and the arguments they were making. Persecuting Jews and having a secret police in 1935 didn't signal to contemporaries that you were fundamentally incapable of making compromises or respecting limits, i.e, that you were Hitler.

    The men in Warsaw didn't understand who Adolf Hitler really was. But then, nobody else did either, with the semi-exception of Winston Churchill: whose unique insight stemmed from the commonalities in world-view and political MO he shared with Hitler.

    , @Anonymous
    @John Johnson


    Hitler was just plain full of s–t.
     
    Your hillbillian conclusion of a complex issue likely doesn’t inspire confidence amongst the more literate or well-studied faction of commenters here. Why don’t you abstain from your cheap brew of beer for a full day, and come back?

    That is, if you seek to persuade, pretend your not yelling at passers by from the back of a broken-down pickup truck. Have some respect for the people here.

    Or change your handle to "goober," so as to fairly warn readers of what’s coming.

    , @Bardon Kaldlan
    @John Johnson

    My God! Yes, Hitler had a plan to destroy Poland!
    He told Himmler about it and Himmler said,gee,boss,you made this whole big plan,all by yourself?
    Hitler repled," It was easy,I just took this book,"Germany Must Perish",and wherever it said Germany,I crossed it out and wrote Poland!"
    "That," said Himmler," is why they call you the Fuhrer!!"😉

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @John Johnson


    Americans and French don’t owe anyone an apology.
     
    Ok, I'm not big on this apology stuff.

    This is why I mentioned French:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate

    The behavior of the Frances Moroccan troops was beyond the pale of behavior for a 20th century Western army. (Of course, they aren't Western.) Of course, much worse occurred on the Eastern Front. (By this time, incidentally the Italians had surrendered, and while the Germans rescued Mussolini and setup a puppet regime, the war was against the Germans. So this was rape unleashed against a nominal ally.)

    ~~~

    Re America, and your Hitler stuff ...

    Yeah, Hitler bad--duh. Maybe there's a big--huge, gaping--political space between Hitler and American minoritarianism?

    Western Christianity thrived for 1000+ years. Yeah, lots of stupid warring with this King or that trying to grab territory (and tax base) from the other guy. Lots of stupid warring over boundaries between nations. Lots of stupid warring over colonial possessions. But overall creating the greatest civilization--with the greatest accomplishments--on the planet.

    If America wants to help, rather than hurt Europe, encourage the Europeans with a "Don't copy the stupid minoritarian bullshit we do. Our "diversity" bullshit is a curse we have to bear, it is not for you. Stop immigration and look after the health and survival of your unique and wonderful nations."

    Encouraging them to take on the diversity burden we have is ideological malpractice and just being a bad neighbor.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    Americans and French don’t owe anyone an apology.
     
    No, not today's. Anyone adult at war's end would be 95 or older today. No, make that 98-- the age of majority was higher.

    However, those who conducted the war certainly owed apologies to their Creator.
    , @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “ there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. “

    Same with the Soviet Union.

    “There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped.”

    There’s the same probability that he would have stopped as there is he wouldn’t have.

    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch

  53. @Gimeiyo
    American servicemen committed war crimes in WW2, but to be fair, they were a lot less rapey than, say, Soviet or Japanese soldiers (to take the two worst). And I think the fact that the American military was significantly more willing to prosecute its own men rather than trying to hush it all up was the primary reason. Not to say that Americans didn't try to hush it up sometimes, or that Japanese and Soviet authorities never prosecuted their own troops for rape. The Americans just disciplined their troops for sex crimes a lot more consistently.

    Japanese and Soviet soldiers were subject to more brutal treatment by their own officers, and that probably played its part. I do think naive US soldiers tended, all things being equal, to be more decent than other soldiery, and less prepared to countenance cold-blooded mass reprisals (including rape) against civilians. But all things weren't equal, so I still think the basic deterrent effect of knowing you'd get hanged if you were caught was probably the most important factor.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @nebulafox, @SaneClownPosse

    Gim, I picked up a used copy of “The Rape of Nanking” by Iris Chang at our library’s table sale. First thing I did was to tear out some of the photos, way to graphic brutality. It seems the rape and slaughter of the Chinese was sanctioned and encouraged, at least in this case. Japan has still not apologised for this atrocity, while the Germans have paid reparations for the Holocaust. Nice comment.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Buffalo Joe

    Buruma's The Wages of Guilt contrasted the German and Japanese societal responses to their nations' WW2 atrocities. A good read.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @anonymouseperson
    @Buffalo Joe

    What about the killing and lynching of Koreans in Japan after the earthquake in 1923. As many as 6,000 were killed in a few weeks, perhaps double the number of black's lynched in all of US history. Probably Emmett Till is more well known then all the thousands of ethnic Koreans killed altogether.

    , @nebulafox
    @Buffalo Joe

    This isn't true. Japan's heads of state have apologized, several times, for its wartime conduct. In the case of China, this goes back to the normalization of relations in 1972. Postwar Sino-Japanese relations were probably at their most positive in the 1970s and 1980s, when there actually did exist plenty of people in government who remembered WWII.

    What the Chinese really want is for Japan to be psychologically more like Germany. This is never going to happen because a) Japan's government, bureaucracies, media, and universities are not staffed top to bottom with people that have a hateful masochism complex regarding their people and culture, and b) because we're closer to 100 years after the war than 50. And to be fair to Beijing, I think they get that, so you are left with the domestic politics involved and the lack of incentive to acknowledge anything. Note the gap between Chinese Internet and the government on Abe's assassination.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anon

  54. @Stan Adams
    Private Louis Till was convicted of raping two Italian women, Benni Lucrezia and Frieda Mari, and of killing a third, Anna Nanchi.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=4OFSSHidzT0C&pg=PA117

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Anon, @Wade Hampton

    No, her surname was Zanchi. Anna Zanchi.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Anon

    You are correct. The book I quoted had the wrong name.

  55. @Known Fact
    Joe "didn't know" about the FBI raid but he remembers 1955 like it was yesterday

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Characteristic of Alzheimer’s patients. You lose your memory from now to then.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Art Deco

    Clearly Alzheimer's, but in his case tragically complicated by LAS -- Lying Asshole Syndrome

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Art Deco

    As a friend of mine used to joke- Where is that German Alzheimer who's always hiding my stuff?

  56. This March, I signed the Emmett Antilynching Act into law – making lynching a federal hate crime for the first time in American history.

    No one in Congress, in the Republican Party, or even in the Unz Annex of BloggerWorld seems especially concerned about the criminal-justice version of the COVID fraud: the widespread knee-jerk acceptance of the legitimacy of so-called hate-crime legislation.

    “Hate crime” is simply a tendentiously approbative name for what ought to be termed thought crime. Thought crime has no support in common law, and the US Constitution and every state constitution specifically speak of crimes only in terms of deeds. What with virtually everyone (not excluding devotees of this columnist) having been brainwashed into regarding both popular psychology and every form of psychiatry (aka mind-reading) as avenues to truth and understanding, however, the idea of raising a ruckus about this inherently totalitarian device seems not to have occurred to anyone—at least not since the passing of Joe Sobran.

    Whatever the result of the increasingly immaterial 2022 election, nothing stands between Merrick Garland and the prosecution of white thought criminals—need I explain who they are?—other than a temporary insufficiency of power-mad staffers.

    Incidentally, there is no “vaccine,” with or without a booster regimen, to protect you from this pandemic.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  57. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    I don't remember all of the details, but I vaguely recall her mentioning that the ghetto branch of her family had various run ins with the law. I don't think murder was mentioned but some very large % of ghetto males have some sort of record of incarceration or are on probation, etc. And keep in mind that the clearance rate for most crimes is rather low. Sometimes they will catch a guy in the middle of stealing a catalytic converter and when they open the trunk of his car there are a bunch of other ones in there which may just be that evening's harvest and sometimes the trail will lead back to a garage where there are hundreds, etc. The same is true for burglary, robbery, etc. A lot of black men have very "vibrant" youthful periods and then settle down and become ordinary blue collars zhlubs as they age.

    Your brain can’t seem to distinguish that while some fairly high % of the black population works at one time or another, this doesn't mean that the people who are working are also not committing crimes or have sons (and increasingly daughters) who are committing crimes. This is why have a high (or even significant) % of blue collar blacks in your neighborhood is a death knell for the white inhabitants - having them around as a group will make the neighborhood unlivable even if most of them are reasonably honest.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    And keep in mind that the clearance rate for most crimes is rather low.

    Black male birth cohorts have for some time been around 270,000 a year in size. From police reports and survey research you can determine that in a typical year, north of 8,000 homicides are committed by black males.

    Your brain can’t seem to distinguish that while some fairly high % of the black population works at one time or another, this doesn’t mean that the people who are working are also not committing crimes or have sons (and increasingly daughters) who are committing crimes.

    It’s not at ‘one time or another’. It’s at any given time the share of blacks who are employed is about 10% lower than the share of the other coarse racial categories.

    As for young men, see Herrnstein and Wilson in Crime and Human Nature. A history of criminal activity is bog standard among young men of all races. It usually isn’t serious enough and frequent enough to land you in the soup. For some, it is.

  58. @Rob McX
    Funny how both Tills achieved a sort of immortality. Louis, as well as being begetter of the great Emmett, merits a mention in Ezra Pound's Pisan Cantos: “Till was hung yesterday/for murder and rape with trimmings.”

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden

    “how both Tills achieved a sort of immortality”

    That’s what I told Emmett when he started his yelling and crying — you’re sort of immortal. But your pops got greased by Uncle Sam. And then one of his index fingers dropped on the floor and began inching its way toward my shoes.

  59. @Art Deco
    @Known Fact

    Characteristic of Alzheimer's patients. You lose your memory from now to then.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Bardon Kaldian

    Clearly Alzheimer’s, but in his case tragically complicated by LAS — Lying Asshole Syndrome

    • LOL: Alden
  60. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Your brain can't seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death.

    While we're at it, even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Your brain can’t seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death.”

    Ever stand behind a cash register? Eight hours of stabbing people to death fantasies. (It’s a good way to kill time)

    • Replies: @James of Africa
    @SunBakedSuburb

    The worst about cash registerism for me was selling lotto tickets. Seeing sparks of hope and greed and despair flickering in their eyes. I never fully learned the ticket machines to fuck with the whole thing, it just felt ridiculous.

  61. OT – I’m not sure if Americans, still with bearable prices over there and with plenty of their own gas, realise how much crap Europeans are in thanks to their governments insane decisions to stop all Russian oil imports and a large volume of their gas imports.

    In the UK, electricity prices jumped in April, and are due to double in October – and UK electricity is still cheaper than in Europe. Gas prices are through the roof, factories making vital stuff like ammonia, fertilisers are closing, and everyone is dreading winter.

    I spoke to a guy at the weekend who’s going to be powering his plant from big diesel generators because it’s actually cheaper than connecting to the mains supply.

    There’s going to be big industrial trouble. A lot of people will strike as inflation, currently 12% in the UK, impoverishes them.

    The much-talked-of independent “EU Foreign Policy” has been a pathetic following of whatever the State Department tell them. De Gaulle is spinning faster than most French generator turbines.

    Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism:

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/will-europe-go-down-to-defeat-before-ukraine.html

    We will be so bold as to posit that not only has the sanctions war against Russia backfired spectacularly, but the damage to the West, most of all Europe, is accelerating rapidly. And this is not the result of Russia taking active measures but the costs of the loss or reduction of key Russian resources compounding over time.

    So due to the intensity of the energy shock, the economic timetable is moving faster than the military. Unless Europe engages in a major course correction, and we don’t see how this can happen, the European economic crisis looks set to become devastating before Ukraine is formally defeated.

    It was Europe that vowed it would be off Russian energy by winter, while not mentioning that that depended on completely filling up all gas storage and not cutting themselves off until sometime in the fall. That is already “customer from hell” behavior: “We’ll default on our agreement in the way most convenient for us and brag about it too.”

    Recall also that some of the loss of EU supply was due to Ukraine cutting off transport through one line going through Lugansk (weeks after the separatists took territory near a key junction, thus showing that the Ukraine claim that the separatists might do something bad were trumped up. Why not wait until an incident to deprive Europe of needed gas? But no one, not even a European columnist, chided the sainted Ukrainians for taking an action detrimental to Europe.

    Supply to Europe also fell due to Poland and Bulgaria refusing to pay for gas in the contracted currency at Gazprom bank.

    Recall also that Germany stole the assets of Gazprom Germania, yet Russia retaliated narrowly, by sanctioning the entities involved in the heist (I have yet to see any discussion of that impact….is the Western press not willing to admit to any?)

    As to the uproar over the reduction of shipments on Nord Stream 1, Putin offered repeatedly to let the EU use Nord Stream 2. So Russia cannot be accused of denying Europe supply. This is about putting institutional and personal egos ahead of serving the public good.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Some of us across the pond have been paying attention to the accelerating Western European energy catastrophe including its effects on fertilizer production (the US is a food superpower and I'm from farming stock and a farming region I've retired back to). Although I'll note it started before the special military operation, CF Industries for example shut down its two nitrogen fixing plants in the U.K. in September 2021 due to high natural gas prices (it provides hydrogens to make ammonia; pure CO2 is a byproduct and one plant was paid by the government to start producing again for that, it's heavily used by the food industry). Just skimmed an item on ZeroHedge saying 70% of the region's ammonia production is off-line right now.

    Some of this might be related by how Xi screwed up the 2021-20 winter heating and electricity season, but that became acute long after the above CF event. A lot is obviously bad Green policies, and to some extent connected I'm sure some was "'customer from hell' behavior" that Yves Smith call out.

    Specifically Russia/Putin/Gazprom wants its customers to sign long term contracts so it can make the investments it needs to continue supplying gas. Plenty of regulating entities prefer to buy on the spot market for a bunch of reasons, some very bad in addition to "no fossil fuel use by [unrealistic date]," and thus the "we are fulfilling our contracted volumes" statements. As far as I know, none of these contracts specified spot price selling, supplying that market has just been a custom. And not supplying it would be battlespace preparation for the eventual showdown over the Ukraine, but also see own goals like Germany shutting down three of its last six nuclear power plants at the end of December 2021.

    As a side note we in the US are feeling it to the extent we're shipping record amounts of LNG to Europe, although that's a bit less after one plant that liquefied 16-20% of our volume is off-line until at least mid-October due to a small-ish explosion. And new ones will be coming on-line fairly soon as I remember. This is hitting our electrical prices in summer air conditioning season, and will without change our winter heating season. And our ruling trash won't care after our early November elections, at least if things don't get as spicy as they're looking to get across the pond.

    , @Bill Jones
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What's quite remarkable is how many of the European Elites (is there a stylistic standard for sardonic word usage? Perhaps someone could design/typeset a reversed Italic font and we could establish that.) believe that the Anti-Russian sanctions can be removed and things would go back to normal. Putin's drive to demilitarize the Ukraine has had the happy side effect of at least partially demilitarizing NATO and rebuilding the materiel that's been destroyed won't be done on Unicorn farts. Putin will not be repowering an agreement incapable West.
    There is no way back. Putin's attempts to use NSII to ship gas has shown that Russia has been the reliable partner and about half the world's governments have shifted positions and accept this. Just 4 months ago 150 world governments condemned Russia's move on Ukraine, last week the Ukes just about scraped together 50.
    Russia has gained India but crushingly lost the Finnish Part Girl and her shitty assed people.

    https://www.daily-sun.com/post/640727/Finnish-firm-warns-of-toilet-paper-shortage

    and the Poles are queuing for 3 days to get to get coal for the winter.

    https://whtc.com/2022/08/27/in-poland-where-coal-is-king-homeowners-queue-for-days-to-buy-fuel/

    Putin will be begging for forgiveness any day now.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon

  62. @Milo Minderbinder
    @That Would Be Telling


    On the other hand, while I couldn’t just now find when Louis Till commuted his crimes, Wikipedia emphasizes the short period between them and his execution, which took place a month after the German surrender in Italy. I don’t know much about the end of the Italian campaign, but looking just now Till might not have been all that far from the front lines. Didn’t find anything about his specialty, but something logistics related would be a good guess.
     
    Top item agenda for the Harris administration will be a Louis Till commutation and apology. Maybe even a new federal holiday.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “Top item agenda for the Harris administration will be a Louis Till commutation and apology.”

    This fills my head with logistical problems. The olfactory challenge alone is daunting. And the “apology” won’t shut him up.

  63. @AnotherDad

    The President should apologize to the Italian people for Louis Till's crimes against the women of Italy.
     
    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were--as they'd done in the first war--inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Where we really owe the Europeans an apology is the terrible ideological stupidity of minoritarianism, diversity and immigrationism that we have propagandized and pushed and normalized since the War.

    People get killed, maimed, raped, starved, stunted, traumatized during war. (War is bad.) But the survivors rebuild, couples get married and have children ... the nation recovers.

    But the damage American minoritarian ideology has inflicted can never be fully repaired, and may--if it keeps rolling along much longer--simply destroy Europe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @YetAnotherAnon

    “People get killed, maimed, raped, starved, stunted, traumatized during war. (War is bad.) But the survivors rebuild, couples get married and have children … the nation recovers.

    But the damage American minoritarian ideology has inflicted can never be fully repaired, and may–if it keeps rolling along much longer–simply destroy Europe.”

    Yes. Poland has been invaded from Sweden, France, Germany, Russia and the USSR over the last 200 years. Millions of Poles have died, the borders have moved back and forth – it’s been pretty awful.

    But at the end of all that awfulness, the Poles are still there and Poland is still theirs. The Soviets may have been communists, but they didn’t import a new people.

    In England, supposed victor of WW2, something like 33% of all births are now to foreign born mothers. That’s basically come about since the 1960s – in 60 years the character of England has been changed forever for the worse.

    England’s fate is Poland’s future.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @YetAnotherAnon


    The Soviets may have been communists, but they didn’t import a new people.
     
    With communism, your right to private property or wealth was gone. On the other hand, you did have a country, such as it was. With immigration and race replacement, you can have private property, but your country is being taken away. Confiscation has shifted from micro to macro level.

    The fact that communist rulers didn't allow mass immigration was not down to patriotism or nationalism. They thought it would be impossible to control a population that was constantly changing with new arrivals of aliens, and they even distrusted any of their own people who had been abroad. However, I think even these tyrants would have balked at the open borders policy of today.
  64. @Trinity
    Nothing was ever done to Lazar Kaganovich, a Devil who helped orchestrate the systematic starvation of MILLIONS in the Holodomor. Kaganovich lived to be nearly 100 years old. Nope, not a single world leader had the sack to apprehend an elderly Jewish mass murderer to stand trial for the murders of millions of Ukrainians and others.

    Millions of German women AND girls and even boys were raped by "the good guys." German civilians nailed crucifix style to barn doors, hung by their feet and whipped. Starved, forced to be corralled and left outdoors in the "Eisenhower Death Camps," etc. And while Trump and others deport ancient, decrepit former "Nazis" as recently as a few years back ( how many people living during WWII as adults are alive? 2?), all those who tortured, raped German women and children, nailed them to barn doors went unpunished. Perhaps they were dealt with in the afterlife by Satan?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @scrivener3

    Nothing was ever done to Lazar Kaganovich, a Devil who helped orchestrate the systematic starvation of MILLIONS in the Holodomor. Kaganovich lived to be nearly 100 years old. Nope, not a single world leader had the sack to apprehend an elderly Jewish mass murderer to stand trial for the murders of millions of Ukrainians and others.

    What I have always found astonishing is that Kaganovich lived, not in some dacha in the country with protection, but in an ordinary apartment in the middle of Moscow with no protection whatsoever. Pretty much any day over the last 4 decades or so of his life anyone could have knocked on his door and beaten him to death with a hammer. As best I can tell he lived out his years entirely unmolested, despite there being tens, if not hundreds, of thousands with deep personal reason to kill him. It’s simply astonishing.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @Trinity
    @kaganovitch

    How many Normies even know who Genrikh Yagoda or Lazar Kaganovich were???

    Looks like Ukrainian people are pretty damn dumb.

    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice.... You must be Ukrainian. smdh.

    , @Anon
    @kaganovitch

    A bit like Bill Ayers and the gang (though writ large).

  65. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/goatpurple1/status/1564218841512550400

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @ic1000

    Wideman’s daughter, Jamila, won a basketball national championship at Stanford. Might have been a starter, don’t remember. I do remember reading an SI article that included her brother’s crimes, back when SI was legit.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Ron Mexico

    https://vault.si.com/vault/1997/03/17/out-of-the-shadows-like-her-father-the-distinguished-writer-john-edgar-wideman-stanford-point-guard-jamila-wideman-has-had-to-confront-a-dark-family-legacy-while-attracting-the-limelight-with-her-surpassing-gift

    https://archive.ph/qZjS7

    https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/stanford-university-jamila-wideman-march-17-1997-sports-illustrated-cover.jpg

    Replies: @Ralph L

  66. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/goatpurple1/status/1564218841512550400

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @ic1000

    Meh, you provided a link to a 1994 story in the Phoenix New Times on John Edgar Wideman, the Rhodes Scholar and English professor who wrote so kindly about Louis Till in “Brothers and Keepers.” The story extends to son Jacob Wideman, who at age 16 stabbed 16-year-old white kid Eric Kane for no particular reason. And John Edgar’s brother Robby Wideman, also in jail for murder.

    Brothers and Victims, by Tom Fitzpatrick.

    An excellent example of the New Journalism. “Couldn’t do it today,” as Paleo Retiree used to say at his blog Uncouth Reflections. Fitzpatrick would be cancelled within days for daring to question the elite’s narrative.

    [MORE]

    In discussing the sociopathic indifference to others’ suffering that is the hallmark of these men of the Wideman family, Fitzpatrick quotes a passage from John Edgar’s book. This is Robby’s account of the murder he committed:

    I’m telling you the whole bit now. Ain’t holding nothing back. That’s the way we was. Stone gangsters. Robbing people. Waving guns in people’s faces. Serious shit. But it was like playing, too. A game. A big game and we was just big kids having fun. Guns wasn’t real. Bullets wasn’t real. Wasn’t planning on hurting nobody. Pow. Pow. You know. Fall over. I got you. No, you didn’t. You missed. You lying. I got you first.

    I remember the scraggly hair and them hippie-type clothes but ain’t nothing where his face supposed to be. I can hear that soft voice but I can’t see no mouth, no face. . . . Last time I saw the dude he was holding his shoulder and hauling ass. Could have blowed him away easy. A real easy shot. I’m remembering how he looked and figuring couldn’t be nothing wrong with a cat running as hard as he was. He was grabbing at his shoulder but he was steady truckin’.

    How’s he dead, man? The cat was running, man.

    It reads like something a drunk Steve Sailer would write, an exaggerated anecdote to illustrate the need for point-of-use gun control.

    You couldn’t do it today.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @ic1000

    https://pittsburghquarterly.com/articles/brothers-keepers/


    Brothers & Keepers?
    Thoughts on my client Robert Wideman and his brother John Edgar Wideman
    by MARK SCHWARTZ
    2021 FALL

    October 25, 2021
    Editor’s note: Between 1984 and 2019, attorney Mark Schwartz represented convicted felon Robert Wideman, ultimately securing a commutation of his sentence in 2019. This is his account of what transpired in the 35 years he dealt with Wideman and his famous older brother, the author of “Brothers and Keepers.”
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @MEH 0910
    @ic1000

    2019:
    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2019/01/02/released-arizona-killer-jacob-wideman-appeals-reimprisonment/2422528002/
    https://twitter.com/michaelbkiefer/status/1080536376016162816

    Replies: @ic1000

  67. @Buffalo Joe
    @Gimeiyo

    Gim, I picked up a used copy of "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang at our library's table sale. First thing I did was to tear out some of the photos, way to graphic brutality. It seems the rape and slaughter of the Chinese was sanctioned and encouraged, at least in this case. Japan has still not apologised for this atrocity, while the Germans have paid reparations for the Holocaust. Nice comment.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @anonymouseperson, @nebulafox

    Buruma’s The Wages of Guilt contrasted the German and Japanese societal responses to their nations’ WW2 atrocities. A good read.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Ron Mexico


    Buruma’s The Wages of Guilt contrasted the German and Japanese societal responses to their nations’ WW2 atrocities. A good read.
     
    The Japanese response has been better.

    I like Germany and Germans, and consider the Japanese response to be deficient. To me the proper response is "Yeah, we screwed up. We're sorry and promise to not do that again." But then ... move on. The Germans have let this mea culpa shit drag them down. They are a great people, a great nation with huge achievements, but have fallen all over themselves not to be proud of themselves, nationalist--Nazi stuff!--which is required to survive.

    The Japanese lying and soft-pedalling their crimes must annoy a lot of other Asians. But the flip side is the Japanese are still there. And provided they don't succumb to the immigrationists will still be there for the foreseeable future. (Yeah, they need to make sure their nukes are ready and China "understands"--the core lesson of Ukraine "get nukes". But that's straightforward.)

    The Germans on the other hand .... looks bleak.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  68. @Gordo
    @Jack D


    It really lifts a psychic burden if you don’t have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.
     
    Plus they are noisy, why do they have to be so noisy?

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Jack D, @Lurker

    For the same reason that dogs pee on fire hydrants – to mark their territory.

  69. In the religion of Negrolatry, there are five most holy figures:

    Martin Luther King, Emmett Till, George Floyd, Trayvon Martin & Michael Brown.

    Obviously, Martin Luther King is God the Father.

    But I can’t quite decide which of the others counts as God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, Peter the Rock of the Church and Paul the Apostle.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @vinteuil

    That the Obama Justice Department told the truth about Michael Brown and they still consider him a martyred saint is amazing. I thought they would brush him aside and move on to another candidate quickly. It is all media driven.

  70. @Gimeiyo
    American servicemen committed war crimes in WW2, but to be fair, they were a lot less rapey than, say, Soviet or Japanese soldiers (to take the two worst). And I think the fact that the American military was significantly more willing to prosecute its own men rather than trying to hush it all up was the primary reason. Not to say that Americans didn't try to hush it up sometimes, or that Japanese and Soviet authorities never prosecuted their own troops for rape. The Americans just disciplined their troops for sex crimes a lot more consistently.

    Japanese and Soviet soldiers were subject to more brutal treatment by their own officers, and that probably played its part. I do think naive US soldiers tended, all things being equal, to be more decent than other soldiery, and less prepared to countenance cold-blooded mass reprisals (including rape) against civilians. But all things weren't equal, so I still think the basic deterrent effect of knowing you'd get hanged if you were caught was probably the most important factor.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @nebulafox, @SaneClownPosse

    American soldiers did rape local women and commit other atrocities on Okinawa in 1945. Nothing happened that was remotely in the league of the IJA’s horrific rampages earlier that year on the island and in Manila, but they did occur. There’s this one cave where the islanders dumped the bodies of a few black American soldiers that they’d murdered in revenge. They’d kept the secret for over 50 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident

    Organized prostitution for American soldiers in postwar Japan and South Korea was also a reality, and although things have changed massively since those days (the ladies have overwhelmingly non-local for decades, the US military got infiltrated by evangelicals and feminists who thought they could change the realities of life), American bases still remain profit centers for the local sex trade. I don’t think there was ever an official program in South Vietnam or Thailand in the same way, but from the American POV, there didn’t need to be. Last Stars and Stripes before the first deployment to Vietnam covered the migration of prostitutes from Saigon to Da Nang to make serious bucks from the incoming Americans, I’m sure with the approval of what passed for the government in Saigon at the time.

    The motives were mixed. IMO, the fact that prostitution seems to have a long history of being “open” and officially regulated in many Asian societies can’t be ignored: it wasn’t an innovation, it was just making sure a subsection of the already existing prostitute pool was allocated to the Americans. Indeed, part of what led to the comfort women in the first place was, given how prostitution was laid out in Japan, that the logical conclusion made was that there should be brothels to serve the Japanese armed forces. But there’s no getting around the fact that one of them was also the desire to avoid mass rape, and on the part of the military authorities, to avoid homosexuality. For the 1950s/1960s ROK in particular, financial concerns seem to have been the truly decisive factor.

    Again, there was no equivalent to the mass kidnapping of women to be gang raped to death that there was with the Japanese, or with the Germans and Soviets in Europe. But that didn’t mean that what went on didn’t happen, or that the results was pretty. In postwar Vietnam, part of the reason half-American (or half-Korean) kids were treated like garbage was it was automatically assumed the mother was a prostitute, regardless of whether or not this was actually true.

  71. @James Speaks
    I think the overlooked story, one that should generate moral outrage is the rush to judgment on the summary execution of Louis Till. I see two lynchings, not one.

    Replies: @The Problem with Midway, @Alden

    One year from commission of a crime to carrying out the sentence is not a rush to judgement.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @The Problem with Midway

    All negroes are always innocent.

  72. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole NYT/WaPo Emmitt Till thing is like a father of a 16 year old teenager stating to his son,
    “Remember when you smacked your sister in the face when you were 4 and she was 7 for eating your cookie? Well it’s time for me to whoop your ass again on the 12th anniversary of that smack”.

    Btw-pay no mind to the fact your 18 year old sister has been caught shoplifting 10 times, now works as a stripper, is living with a drug dealer and is an addict. It’s all your fault for that smack when you were 4.

  73. Black soldiers who raped were probably more likely to be convicted than white soldiers who raped, and to be punished more harshly.

    Perhaps they were refused more often by women and resorted to rape more often.

    Perhaps they were more likely to rape.

    None of this speaks to Louis Till being framed.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Elli

    “Black soldiers who raped were probably more likely to be convicted than white soldiers who raped, and to be punished more harshly.”

    Are you referring to military tribunals? Aside from perhaps being more habitual criminals why would the Army care to distinguish the two in terms of punishment?

  74. @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don't owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s--t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn't get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldlan, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    It’s hard to remember given how over-the-top brutal the German occupation of Poland would turn out to be, but the Polish and German governments had a non-aggression pact between 1934 and 1939. That the Third Reich might have appeared as the lesser of two evils wasn’t nearly as crazy as people think, for several reasons:

    1) The Nazis seemed to be overwhelmingly focused on the Bolshevik menace. Unlike the Weimar Republic, which was their closest European ally and steadfastly refused to recognize the postwar border.

    2) Nor did the Nazi leadership come from the Prussian deep state or military caste that would have been the driving force behind any German aggression toward them, and despite their hostility toward leftists, helped drive the 1920s alliance with the USSR. Hitler himself seemed to come out of the traditional southern pan-German milieu that would direct him toward Austria and the Czech lands, the latter of whom Poland was also eying.

    3) Finally, Poland was itself ruled by a right-wing authoritarian government, presiding over a multi-racial polity where largest minority bordered their co-ethnics in the USSR and whose dictator would disproportionately target ethnic Poles during his purges. (It’s worth noting that Warsaw also had a non-aggression pact with the USSR, but given the USSR’s attitude toward the external world during the time, this meant little. I believe the key to understanding history and the choices people made is that you need to ignore what you know is coming.) It didn’t have the luxury of being choosy. It also had little ideological sympathy toward Hitler’s domestic enemies, or the kinds of left-wing Western critics that dominated the anti-Nazi Anglosphere media and the arguments they were making. Persecuting Jews and having a secret police in 1935 didn’t signal to contemporaries that you were fundamentally incapable of making compromises or respecting limits, i.e, that you were Hitler.

    The men in Warsaw didn’t understand who Adolf Hitler really was. But then, nobody else did either, with the semi-exception of Winston Churchill: whose unique insight stemmed from the commonalities in world-view and political MO he shared with Hitler.

  75. @Ralph L
    30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?

    His murder victim is still dead, no? A pretty long sentence for him too…

    • LOL: JimB
  76. The President should apologize to the Italian people for Louis Till’s crimes against the women of Italy.

    Apology not fucking accepted!

  77. @Gordo
    @Jack D

    The UKMoD tweet reads like a teenage girl wrote it. Embarassing.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It probably was written by a young woman but what about it is embarrassing, keeping in mind that Tweets are intended to be very brief – in most cases less than 140 characters?

  78. @Buffalo Joe
    @Gimeiyo

    Gim, I picked up a used copy of "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang at our library's table sale. First thing I did was to tear out some of the photos, way to graphic brutality. It seems the rape and slaughter of the Chinese was sanctioned and encouraged, at least in this case. Japan has still not apologised for this atrocity, while the Germans have paid reparations for the Holocaust. Nice comment.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @anonymouseperson, @nebulafox

    What about the killing and lynching of Koreans in Japan after the earthquake in 1923. As many as 6,000 were killed in a few weeks, perhaps double the number of black’s lynched in all of US history. Probably Emmett Till is more well known then all the thousands of ethnic Koreans killed altogether.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  79. @michael droy

    After all, more blacks than whites per capita were convicted of raping European women during WWII,
     
    Of course.

    To get a conviction of rape is pretty hard, even then.
    You'd need to convince the local jury (or easier the military board) that :
    a) the woman really had said no
    b) the man might actually do such a thing,
    c) the testimony of the man (and perhaps his colleagues) was worth little

    All of which would be much much easier for a black accused than a white accused.

    Here in Britain American white troops (Over-sexed, Over Paid and Over Here) were widely presumed to be seducing Brits with husbands away fighting. Many women were said to wear "American knickers" (one yank and they are off).

    But even though Black Americans were largely surprised at how welcoming the Brits were, it would be very very difficult to persuade a 1940s jury that a woman had consented to sex with a black man.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Ancient Briton, @Robert Paulson

    A Mexican-American soldier was the last man hanged for rape in England, at US Forces prison Shepton Mallet 15 June1945.

  80. @kaganovitch
    @Trinity

    Nothing was ever done to Lazar Kaganovich, a Devil who helped orchestrate the systematic starvation of MILLIONS in the Holodomor. Kaganovich lived to be nearly 100 years old. Nope, not a single world leader had the sack to apprehend an elderly Jewish mass murderer to stand trial for the murders of millions of Ukrainians and others.

    What I have always found astonishing is that Kaganovich lived, not in some dacha in the country with protection, but in an ordinary apartment in the middle of Moscow with no protection whatsoever. Pretty much any day over the last 4 decades or so of his life anyone could have knocked on his door and beaten him to death with a hammer. As best I can tell he lived out his years entirely unmolested, despite there being tens, if not hundreds, of thousands with deep personal reason to kill him. It's simply astonishing.

    Replies: @Trinity, @Anon

    How many Normies even know who Genrikh Yagoda or Lazar Kaganovich were???

    Looks like Ukrainian people are pretty damn dumb.

    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice…. You must be Ukrainian. smdh.

  81. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Reminds me of the black soldier gang-rape of a white English lady that took place during a home invasion while her husband was forced to watch, which was the basis of “A Clockwork Orange.”

    One can imagine the public response if ACO was remade, except with black soldiers being accurately portrayed by Denzel Washington and Chris Rock, instead of Malcolm McDowell and the rest.

    • Replies: @thenon
    @Anonymous

    I have been looking for years for a reference to the race issue on this, can you supply one? 40 years ago an Englishman told me of this without referring to the race of the perps. I have finally figured it out on my own because I believe that whites don't usually have an inordinate fondness for gang rape. I decided that he didn't mention it probably because like many europeans he didn't see black Americans as any different than white ones. I guess you have to live here to feel the difference

  82. @Ian Smith
    Just a thought: I don’t think that bringing up Louis Till is quite the ‘gotcha’ people in our circles seem to think it is. It strikes me as a bit of a whataboutism.

    Replies: @Legba, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    I didn’t think of it as a whataboutism, more of a ofcoursehewasism

  83. @Buffalo Joe
    @Gimeiyo

    Gim, I picked up a used copy of "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang at our library's table sale. First thing I did was to tear out some of the photos, way to graphic brutality. It seems the rape and slaughter of the Chinese was sanctioned and encouraged, at least in this case. Japan has still not apologised for this atrocity, while the Germans have paid reparations for the Holocaust. Nice comment.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @anonymouseperson, @nebulafox

    This isn’t true. Japan’s heads of state have apologized, several times, for its wartime conduct. In the case of China, this goes back to the normalization of relations in 1972. Postwar Sino-Japanese relations were probably at their most positive in the 1970s and 1980s, when there actually did exist plenty of people in government who remembered WWII.

    What the Chinese really want is for Japan to be psychologically more like Germany. This is never going to happen because a) Japan’s government, bureaucracies, media, and universities are not staffed top to bottom with people that have a hateful masochism complex regarding their people and culture, and b) because we’re closer to 100 years after the war than 50. And to be fair to Beijing, I think they get that, so you are left with the domestic politics involved and the lack of incentive to acknowledge anything. Note the gap between Chinese Internet and the government on Abe’s assassination.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @nebulafox

    nebu, the book I quoted was published in 1997/1998. An internet search shows Japanese PMs have expressed regrets but no formal apology issued by the Japanese government. We're good, stay safe.

    , @Anon
    @nebulafox


    What the Chinese really want is for Japan to be psychologically more like Germany. This is never going to happen because a) Japan’s government, bureaucracies, media, and universities are not staffed top to bottom with people that have a hateful masochism complex regarding their people and culture
     
    Japan isn’t staffed with Jews who have ill will toward the host people.
  84. @Ralph L
    30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    Arizona law at that time specified that parole would not be considered before 25 years. He was not released the first few times he came up for parole, in part because the parents of his victim opposed it.

    The Supreme Court has stated that for juveniles, the severest punishment must be reserved “for the rarest of juvenile offenders, those whose crimes reflect permanent incorrigibility”. Jacob qualified. As I mentioned in a different post, while Wideman did not eat his victim, he did stab him while he was sleeping and allowed him to slowly bleed to death over a period of several hours. His victim was a fellow camper (although neither a close friend nor an enemy) that he had known for 7 summers of his short life. The killing appeared to be completely unprovoked but premeditated in that he had purchased a knife the day before and had preplanned to get the car keys before he committed the crime. He also stole \$3,000 in traveler’s checks to fund his getaway. No one, including Jacob, who otherwise confessed, has ever really explained why he did this – perhaps he was like the man in the Johnny Cash song who shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Flagstaff is not that far from Reno (by Western standards).

    Mulattoes like Jacob are often among the most dangerous criminals because they combine the amorality and violence of the black man with the cleverness of the white (in Jacob’s case, Jew).

    https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2011/05/13/Children-of-promise-children-of-pain-The-Jacob-Wideman-case/stories/201105130235

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jack D

    From the same source linked by MEH 0910 in comment #8 and me in comment #66, a copy-paste from Tom Fitzpatrick's 1994 review of John Edgar Wideman's book "Brothers and Keepers." It's an account of how Fitzpatrick explored the circumstances of Eric Kane's murder.

    To John Edgar, his brother Robby's and his son Jacob's Lives Mattered. Louis Till's as well.

    Other people's lives: not so much.


    On August 16, 1986, Eric Kane, 16, was found murdered in a room at the University Inn in Flagstaff. He had been brutally stabbed to death. Six days later, Jacob Wideman, also 16, who had shared the room with Kane and then fled the scene, surrendered to police...

    But both boys had grown up in fortunate circumstances. Kane, the victim, was the son of a vice president of IBM, and was raised on Long Island. His scholastic records showed he was an outstanding student and possibly the most popular member of his class.

    Jacob Wideman never did stand trial. He entered a guilty plea and accepted a life sentence...

    In 1986, when Jacob Wideman murdered his roommate with a hunting knife that at least two witnesses later told Flagstaff police he had been compulsively sharpening for a week, the elder Wideman was teaching English at the University of Wyoming in Laramie.

    Young Wideman and Kane, the two boys, met that summer at a boys' camp in New York state. They became friends. There was never any tension between them. They became part of a group of campers touring the Western states after the close of camp. They planned to visit the Grand Canyon the morning after their overnight stay in Flagstaff...

    About halfway through [John Edgar Wideman's article in the Aug. 1, 1994 New Yorker], I came to the following passage. The words appear to be addressed directly to his imprisoned son, Jacob, now 24 years old:

    [snip]

    Eric Kane is never mentioned by name; nor is there any description of his life or background. It is as though Eric Kane never existed. He was an object that suddenly appeared on the scene and ruined Jacob Wideman's life...

    I decided the only way I was ever going to find anything out about the murder in Flagstaff was to visit the courthouse up there and search through the criminal file...

    [Eric Kane's family] made not one, but two written statements for the court explaining their feelings about the case. The first was entered on November 22, 1986, and the second two years later, on September 28, 1988.

    Here are some passages from the second statement:

    When Jacob Wideman brutally stabbed Eric while he slept, and left him to die, he took a loving son, a caring grandson and a close friend.

    The pain and emptiness is forever. The loss is forever. The pain is forever.

    Eric was killed by an animal. Eric was asleep. There was no provocation or ill will. Wideman simply needed to kill. In addition to murdering Eric, he has been charged with killing a young girl in Wyoming in 1985, and he attempted to kill a boy in Boston in October 1986. He has a violent history, including such acts as fighting, sexual molestation of his sister and stealing. Jacob Wideman deserves no place in society today or at any time. If justice were properly served in this case, he would be sentenced to death.

    We have no doubt that he will kill again. If he were to be released when first eligible for parole in 25 years, he will be only 41 years old and will have had plenty of time to work on his animal instincts and need to kill. The justice system must protect us against this animal.
     
    [snip]

    In the file, there is a transcribed copy of Jacob's confession...

    I murdered Eric Kane. It was not premeditated. It was the result of a lot of different emotions. I had just woken up. It was 1 a.m. I didn't know what I was doing. I wasn't thinking straight. I was restless. I put on my clothes and I saw the knife and I saw Eric and I picked up the knife and stabbed him two times.

    I've had a really tough year, and he was the target of a lot of my emotions.

    I'm very sorry for what I did. I should be given a chance to live and make something of my life. I don't want the death sentence applied.
     
    [snip]

    Eric's father spoke out, too:

    "I read Brothers and Keepers," he said. "The man sounds like someone who uses the system to his advantage. But if it doesn't work out for him, he'll scream and holler about how unfair it is. I'm sure he can eventually bend the system to get his son Jacob out of prison."
     
  85. Did Biden thank Till for faithfully voting Democrat ever since he shuffled off this mortal coil?

    (When you’re dead, you either vote Democrat or you don’t vote.)

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    (When you’re dead, you either vote Democrat or you don’t vote.)

    Here is where you see the deep evil of Voter ID laws. Imagine preventing Emmett Till from voting! It's like their killing him all over again.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin

  86. @Ralph L
    30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?

    Replies: @Muggles, @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    30+ years seems like a long sentence for a 16 y.o. Did he eat the guy afterwards? Is he out now?

    Execution is the sentence in a normal, sane, properly operating society.

    When someone shows utter contempt for the norms of the society–exile. When they brutally murder one of its citizens–execution.

    One of our serious problems now is that we no longer have this very basic–and very required–sense that a community is entitled to protect itself, its standards, norms, culture and people. And that the outliers and screwups have no right to feed–parasite–upon it.

    We have lost the simple good hygiene of “take out the trash”.

  87. @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Till committed his crimes on June 27 and 28, 1944 and was executed 1 year later on July 2, 1945. Nowadays it take decades between crime and execution but in those days I would say that a year was rather a long time.

    Here is a shorter version of Wideman's book length account:

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48989/black-and-white-case/


    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn’t work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who’d been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.
     
    This is going on right now with the Russian Army in Ukraine (and to some extent with the Ukrainian Army also) . Combat (esp. WWI/WWII style combat which is basically what the Russians have been doing and especially offense which requires more manpower than defense) really chews thru the infantry and so you need a LOT of replacements. After a while you will take any warm body whether they are properly trained or suited to the role. Since the people you are sending are not well trained or suited and are often thrown together in poorly trained units that have not drilled together and which have weak leadership, they often don't last very long at the front either which leads to a vicious cycle where you take even less qualified people. After some advances in Luhansk in early July, the Russia offensive appears to have stalled (perhaps in part for this reason) and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian "good will": on 24 August 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Shanghai Cooperation Organization that Russia was deliberately slowing the pace of its military campaign in Ukraine, driven by the need to reduce civilian casualties. But I doubt it.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1563029847848677376

    Till Sr. was with the Transport Corps. as you speculated. Most colored troops (the Army was still segregated during WWII - the US Army was always disproportionately Southern since the days of George Washington and followed Southern folkways) were assigned to logistics (truck driving, loading ships, etc.) because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous - if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @HA, @Anonymous

    “the Russia offensive appears to have stalled…and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian “good will”…”

    It’s a feint!

  88. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "Your brain can't seem to distinguish between people who have ordinary hourly jobs and people who stab others to death."

    Ever stand behind a cash register? Eight hours of stabbing people to death fantasies. (It's a good way to kill time)

    Replies: @James of Africa

    The worst about cash registerism for me was selling lotto tickets. Seeing sparks of hope and greed and despair flickering in their eyes. I never fully learned the ticket machines to fuck with the whole thing, it just felt ridiculous.

  89. @Gimeiyo
    American servicemen committed war crimes in WW2, but to be fair, they were a lot less rapey than, say, Soviet or Japanese soldiers (to take the two worst). And I think the fact that the American military was significantly more willing to prosecute its own men rather than trying to hush it all up was the primary reason. Not to say that Americans didn't try to hush it up sometimes, or that Japanese and Soviet authorities never prosecuted their own troops for rape. The Americans just disciplined their troops for sex crimes a lot more consistently.

    Japanese and Soviet soldiers were subject to more brutal treatment by their own officers, and that probably played its part. I do think naive US soldiers tended, all things being equal, to be more decent than other soldiery, and less prepared to countenance cold-blooded mass reprisals (including rape) against civilians. But all things weren't equal, so I still think the basic deterrent effect of knowing you'd get hanged if you were caught was probably the most important factor.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @nebulafox, @SaneClownPosse

    US Marines are still raping Japanese girls on Okinawa.

    Haven’t seen where they end up at the end of a rope.

    The WW2 Occupation that has no end date.

    • Replies: @ATate
    @SaneClownPosse

    I remember the famous one from 1995. Heard it about it A LOT when I was at Camp Schwab in 1999.

    In keeping with the theme of Steve’s post, check out the racist white republican racist white Marines who raped the 12 year old Okinawan girl.

    https://liuchiuan.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/us4.jpg?w=576

    One of the men later raped and murdered a college student after he got out of the Japanese jail (and complained that the Japanese jail worked on “slave labor”).

    https://www.stripes.com/news/former-marine-who-sparked-okinawa-furor-is-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide-1.53269

    Do you have links to all of the other rapes Marines have done over the last 30 years so?

    Sounds like you know of a lot of them.

  90. @Ron Mexico
    @Buffalo Joe

    Buruma's The Wages of Guilt contrasted the German and Japanese societal responses to their nations' WW2 atrocities. A good read.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Buruma’s The Wages of Guilt contrasted the German and Japanese societal responses to their nations’ WW2 atrocities. A good read.

    The Japanese response has been better.

    I like Germany and Germans, and consider the Japanese response to be deficient. To me the proper response is “Yeah, we screwed up. We’re sorry and promise to not do that again.” But then … move on. The Germans have let this mea culpa shit drag them down. They are a great people, a great nation with huge achievements, but have fallen all over themselves not to be proud of themselves, nationalist–Nazi stuff!–which is required to survive.

    The Japanese lying and soft-pedalling their crimes must annoy a lot of other Asians. But the flip side is the Japanese are still there. And provided they don’t succumb to the immigrationists will still be there for the foreseeable future. (Yeah, they need to make sure their nukes are ready and China “understands”–the core lesson of Ukraine “get nukes”. But that’s straightforward.)

    The Germans on the other hand …. looks bleak.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @AnotherDad

    >The Japanese lying and soft-pedalling their crimes must annoy a lot of other Asians.

    As I alluded to, there are domestic political incentives in some of these countries to not acknowledge Japanese apologies or to deem them invalid.

    To give a counterexample, unlike Taiwan or other Southeast Asian countries where the occupation experience was genuinely remembered sort-of differently, the Philippines endured Japanese atrocities that could rival anything that happened in China or Korea. This culminated in 1945 with their own version of the Nanjing Massacre, comparable both in the death toll and the sadism involved, right in their capital. Manila was the Pearl of the Orient before the war. It has, quite literally, never been the same since. It was the second most destroyed city in the world following the intentionally-dismantled Warsaw.

    Yet Filipino-Japanese relations are fine. The Filipino public views Japan very positively. That's not because they are stupid or ignorant of what happened, but because life has moved on and there's no political incentive to focus on it anymore. The Japanese government doesn't deny the massacre happened, apologized after the war, and provided reparations. Of course, that's part of the issue: they did this back in the 1950s when Japan didn't have official relations with either the ROK or the PRC. But sometimes, that's just how history goes: you take what you can get and go. German behavior after 1968 in trying to appease everybody-a futile exercise-has been the exception, not the rule, and it's not a healthy example that anybody should want to imitate.

    (It should be noted that in the ROK, the then-government renounced rights to reparations in 1965 in exchange for Japanese investment and economic help. You can imagine this is a sore point.)

    I don't doubt the nationalistic sentiment of your average Internet commentator, partly because nationalism isn't a dirty word in Asian education systems like it is in the West. I'm just cynical about the domestic politics involved, especially when it is clear that cooperation is going to be needed if everybody doesn't want to be a Chinese vassal someday.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  91. @Jack D
    @Ralph L

    Arizona law at that time specified that parole would not be considered before 25 years. He was not released the first few times he came up for parole, in part because the parents of his victim opposed it.

    The Supreme Court has stated that for juveniles, the severest punishment must be reserved “for the rarest of juvenile offenders, those whose crimes reflect permanent incorrigibility". Jacob qualified. As I mentioned in a different post, while Wideman did not eat his victim, he did stab him while he was sleeping and allowed him to slowly bleed to death over a period of several hours. His victim was a fellow camper (although neither a close friend nor an enemy) that he had known for 7 summers of his short life. The killing appeared to be completely unprovoked but premeditated in that he had purchased a knife the day before and had preplanned to get the car keys before he committed the crime. He also stole $3,000 in traveler's checks to fund his getaway. No one, including Jacob, who otherwise confessed, has ever really explained why he did this - perhaps he was like the man in the Johnny Cash song who shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Flagstaff is not that far from Reno (by Western standards).

    Mulattoes like Jacob are often among the most dangerous criminals because they combine the amorality and violence of the black man with the cleverness of the white (in Jacob's case, Jew).

    https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2011/05/13/Children-of-promise-children-of-pain-The-Jacob-Wideman-case/stories/201105130235

    Replies: @ic1000

    From the same source linked by MEH 0910 in comment #8 and me in comment #66, a copy-paste from Tom Fitzpatrick’s 1994 review of John Edgar Wideman’s book “Brothers and Keepers.” It’s an account of how Fitzpatrick explored the circumstances of Eric Kane’s murder.

    To John Edgar, his brother Robby’s and his son Jacob’s Lives Mattered. Louis Till’s as well.

    Other people’s lives: not so much.

    [MORE]

    On August 16, 1986, Eric Kane, 16, was found murdered in a room at the University Inn in Flagstaff. He had been brutally stabbed to death. Six days later, Jacob Wideman, also 16, who had shared the room with Kane and then fled the scene, surrendered to police…

    But both boys had grown up in fortunate circumstances. Kane, the victim, was the son of a vice president of IBM, and was raised on Long Island. His scholastic records showed he was an outstanding student and possibly the most popular member of his class.

    Jacob Wideman never did stand trial. He entered a guilty plea and accepted a life sentence…

    In 1986, when Jacob Wideman murdered his roommate with a hunting knife that at least two witnesses later told Flagstaff police he had been compulsively sharpening for a week, the elder Wideman was teaching English at the University of Wyoming in Laramie.

    Young Wideman and Kane, the two boys, met that summer at a boys’ camp in New York state. They became friends. There was never any tension between them. They became part of a group of campers touring the Western states after the close of camp. They planned to visit the Grand Canyon the morning after their overnight stay in Flagstaff…

    About halfway through [John Edgar Wideman’s article in the Aug. 1, 1994 New Yorker], I came to the following passage. The words appear to be addressed directly to his imprisoned son, Jacob, now 24 years old:

    [snip]

    Eric Kane is never mentioned by name; nor is there any description of his life or background. It is as though Eric Kane never existed. He was an object that suddenly appeared on the scene and ruined Jacob Wideman’s life…

    I decided the only way I was ever going to find anything out about the murder in Flagstaff was to visit the courthouse up there and search through the criminal file…

    [Eric Kane’s family] made not one, but two written statements for the court explaining their feelings about the case. The first was entered on November 22, 1986, and the second two years later, on September 28, 1988.

    Here are some passages from the second statement:

    When Jacob Wideman brutally stabbed Eric while he slept, and left him to die, he took a loving son, a caring grandson and a close friend.

    The pain and emptiness is forever. The loss is forever. The pain is forever.

    Eric was killed by an animal. Eric was asleep. There was no provocation or ill will. Wideman simply needed to kill. In addition to murdering Eric, he has been charged with killing a young girl in Wyoming in 1985, and he attempted to kill a boy in Boston in October 1986. He has a violent history, including such acts as fighting, sexual molestation of his sister and stealing. Jacob Wideman deserves no place in society today or at any time. If justice were properly served in this case, he would be sentenced to death.

    We have no doubt that he will kill again. If he were to be released when first eligible for parole in 25 years, he will be only 41 years old and will have had plenty of time to work on his animal instincts and need to kill. The justice system must protect us against this animal.

    [snip]

    In the file, there is a transcribed copy of Jacob’s confession…

    I murdered Eric Kane. It was not premeditated. It was the result of a lot of different emotions. I had just woken up. It was 1 a.m. I didn’t know what I was doing. I wasn’t thinking straight. I was restless. I put on my clothes and I saw the knife and I saw Eric and I picked up the knife and stabbed him two times.

    I’ve had a really tough year, and he was the target of a lot of my emotions.

    I’m very sorry for what I did. I should be given a chance to live and make something of my life. I don’t want the death sentence applied.

    [snip]

    Eric’s father spoke out, too:

    “I read Brothers and Keepers,” he said. “The man sounds like someone who uses the system to his advantage. But if it doesn’t work out for him, he’ll scream and holler about how unfair it is. I’m sure he can eventually bend the system to get his son Jacob out of prison.”

  92. @vinteuil
    In the religion of Negrolatry, there are five most holy figures:

    Martin Luther King, Emmett Till, George Floyd, Trayvon Martin & Michael Brown.

    Obviously, Martin Luther King is God the Father.

    But I can't quite decide which of the others counts as God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, Peter the Rock of the Church and Paul the Apostle.

    Replies: @Barnard

    That the Obama Justice Department told the truth about Michael Brown and they still consider him a martyred saint is amazing. I thought they would brush him aside and move on to another candidate quickly. It is all media driven.

  93. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don't owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s--t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn't get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldlan, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    Hitler was just plain full of s–t.

    Your hillbillian conclusion of a complex issue likely doesn’t inspire confidence amongst the more literate or well-studied faction of commenters here. Why don’t you abstain from your cheap brew of beer for a full day, and come back?

    That is, if you seek to persuade, pretend your not yelling at passers by from the back of a broken-down pickup truck. Have some respect for the people here.

    Or change your handle to “goober,” so as to fairly warn readers of what’s coming.

  94. @Ron Mexico
    @MEH 0910

    Wideman's daughter, Jamila, won a basketball national championship at Stanford. Might have been a starter, don't remember. I do remember reading an SI article that included her brother's crimes, back when SI was legit.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @MEH 0910

    Jamila became an activist lawyer for criminals.
    Wiki: In September 2018, Wideman was hired by the NBA as Vice President of Player Development.
    Perfect fit
    She hasn't killed anyone--that we know of.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  95. @Trinity
    Nothing was ever done to Lazar Kaganovich, a Devil who helped orchestrate the systematic starvation of MILLIONS in the Holodomor. Kaganovich lived to be nearly 100 years old. Nope, not a single world leader had the sack to apprehend an elderly Jewish mass murderer to stand trial for the murders of millions of Ukrainians and others.

    Millions of German women AND girls and even boys were raped by "the good guys." German civilians nailed crucifix style to barn doors, hung by their feet and whipped. Starved, forced to be corralled and left outdoors in the "Eisenhower Death Camps," etc. And while Trump and others deport ancient, decrepit former "Nazis" as recently as a few years back ( how many people living during WWII as adults are alive? 2?), all those who tortured, raped German women and children, nailed them to barn doors went unpunished. Perhaps they were dealt with in the afterlife by Satan?

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @scrivener3

    Yes I think we overplay the Americans were the good guys.

    Still many Germen scientists arranged to surrender to the American forces rather than the Soviets and I think they were wise.

    Horrible things happen in war, My history professor said that whenever one occupying army pulled out in the face of an advancing enemy – during the few hours or days before the new occupier arrived the civilians went wild in a murderous rampage extracting vengeance on their enemy co-civilians. Not sometimes, always.

  96. @Anon
    @Stan Adams

    No, her surname was Zanchi. Anna Zanchi.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    You are correct. The book I quoted had the wrong name.

  97. @puttheforkdown
    @Gordo

    Vibrant. The word is vibrant. The vibrancy is especially potent while trying to sleep.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Vibrant. The word is vibrant. The vibrancy is especially potent while trying to sleep.

    Speaking of which, I came across the following story today
    https://ew.com/tv/natalie-portman-lady-in-the-lake-extortion-threats

    “Natalie Portman series Lady in the Lake hits pause after threats of violence and extortion: While filming the series in Baltimore this weekend, multiple individuals threatened a member of the crew, according to a statement from studio Endeavor Content provided to EW. A spokesperson for the Baltimore PD told the Los Angeles Times that “the locals” had warned the producers that they would “come back later” that evening and “shoot someone” if the production didn’t shut down or pay them \$50,000. A separate report from the Baltimore Banner referred to the perpetrators as “drug dealers.”

    “The safety and security of our crew, cast and all who work across our productions is our highest priority, and we are thankful no one was injured,” Endeavor’s statement continues. “Production will resume with increased security measures going forward. It has been a privilege filming Lady in the Lake in Baltimore, working with its vibrant community across many areas.

    A privilege, indeed. Perhaps a White privilege?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @kaganovitch

    I didn't know anyone used the word vibrant in a non-ironic sense any more.

  98. OFF TOPIC

    This big pile of loot forked over to the Federalist Society from deceased electrical products guy Barre Seid is a big deal.

    Mitch McConnell has clam raked big loot from Barre Seid and McConnell is set to grab more from the new loot holder named Leonard Leo.

    McConnell is a treasonous weasel and Mitch McConnell voted for Reagan’s 1986 Amnesty For Illegal Alien Invaders. McConnell has crawled into bed with a Chinese woman with clear and shady ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

    McConnell pushes mass legal immigration, mass illegal immigration, REFUGEE OVERLOAD, ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION and multicultural mayhem.

    McConnell pushes sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams.

    McConnell pushes more and more overseas war to provide grift to foreign policy scam artists and plunder opportunities for American Empire profiteers.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Charles Pewitt

    This big pile of loot forked over to the Federalist Society from deceased electrical products guy Barre Seid is a big deal.

    (((Barre Seid))) Every single time!

  99. @James Speaks
    I think the overlooked story, one that should generate moral outrage is the rush to judgment on the summary execution of Louis Till. I see two lynchings, not one.

    Replies: @The Problem with Midway, @Alden

    I hereby sentence you to suffer what black sub human monsters did to Christian and Christopher Newsome on January 5 and 6 2007 and what John Doe unidentified White male suffered December 21 to December 24 1973 at the hands of the Zebra Killers.,

    But for months, not 2 ,3 days really truly.

  100. @AnotherDad
    @Ron Mexico


    Buruma’s The Wages of Guilt contrasted the German and Japanese societal responses to their nations’ WW2 atrocities. A good read.
     
    The Japanese response has been better.

    I like Germany and Germans, and consider the Japanese response to be deficient. To me the proper response is "Yeah, we screwed up. We're sorry and promise to not do that again." But then ... move on. The Germans have let this mea culpa shit drag them down. They are a great people, a great nation with huge achievements, but have fallen all over themselves not to be proud of themselves, nationalist--Nazi stuff!--which is required to survive.

    The Japanese lying and soft-pedalling their crimes must annoy a lot of other Asians. But the flip side is the Japanese are still there. And provided they don't succumb to the immigrationists will still be there for the foreseeable future. (Yeah, they need to make sure their nukes are ready and China "understands"--the core lesson of Ukraine "get nukes". But that's straightforward.)

    The Germans on the other hand .... looks bleak.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >The Japanese lying and soft-pedalling their crimes must annoy a lot of other Asians.

    As I alluded to, there are domestic political incentives in some of these countries to not acknowledge Japanese apologies or to deem them invalid.

    To give a counterexample, unlike Taiwan or other Southeast Asian countries where the occupation experience was genuinely remembered sort-of differently, the Philippines endured Japanese atrocities that could rival anything that happened in China or Korea. This culminated in 1945 with their own version of the Nanjing Massacre, comparable both in the death toll and the sadism involved, right in their capital. Manila was the Pearl of the Orient before the war. It has, quite literally, never been the same since. It was the second most destroyed city in the world following the intentionally-dismantled Warsaw.

    Yet Filipino-Japanese relations are fine. The Filipino public views Japan very positively. That’s not because they are stupid or ignorant of what happened, but because life has moved on and there’s no political incentive to focus on it anymore. The Japanese government doesn’t deny the massacre happened, apologized after the war, and provided reparations. Of course, that’s part of the issue: they did this back in the 1950s when Japan didn’t have official relations with either the ROK or the PRC. But sometimes, that’s just how history goes: you take what you can get and go. German behavior after 1968 in trying to appease everybody-a futile exercise-has been the exception, not the rule, and it’s not a healthy example that anybody should want to imitate.

    (It should be noted that in the ROK, the then-government renounced rights to reparations in 1965 in exchange for Japanese investment and economic help. You can imagine this is a sore point.)

    I don’t doubt the nationalistic sentiment of your average Internet commentator, partly because nationalism isn’t a dirty word in Asian education systems like it is in the West. I’m just cynical about the domestic politics involved, especially when it is clear that cooperation is going to be needed if everybody doesn’t want to be a Chinese vassal someday.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @nebulafox


    Yet Filipino-Japanese relations are fine. The Filipino public views Japan very positively. That’s not because they are stupid or ignorant of what happened, but because life has moved on and there’s no political incentive to focus on it anymore.
     
    Unlike Canada, whom the Philippine president threatened with war over too many dirty diapers getting into the "recycling" shipment.


    https://file.ejatlas.org/img/Conflict/5864/thumb_Protest.jpg

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/05/23/world/23philippines/merlin_155171745_c74a339b-111a-45fa-bc2c-c4fd60349d49-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

  101. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - I'm not sure if Americans, still with bearable prices over there and with plenty of their own gas, realise how much crap Europeans are in thanks to their governments insane decisions to stop all Russian oil imports and a large volume of their gas imports.

    In the UK, electricity prices jumped in April, and are due to double in October - and UK electricity is still cheaper than in Europe. Gas prices are through the roof, factories making vital stuff like ammonia, fertilisers are closing, and everyone is dreading winter.

    I spoke to a guy at the weekend who's going to be powering his plant from big diesel generators because it's actually cheaper than connecting to the mains supply.

    There's going to be big industrial trouble. A lot of people will strike as inflation, currently 12% in the UK, impoverishes them.

    The much-talked-of independent "EU Foreign Policy" has been a pathetic following of whatever the State Department tell them. De Gaulle is spinning faster than most French generator turbines.

    Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism:

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/will-europe-go-down-to-defeat-before-ukraine.html

    We will be so bold as to posit that not only has the sanctions war against Russia backfired spectacularly, but the damage to the West, most of all Europe, is accelerating rapidly. And this is not the result of Russia taking active measures but the costs of the loss or reduction of key Russian resources compounding over time.

    So due to the intensity of the energy shock, the economic timetable is moving faster than the military. Unless Europe engages in a major course correction, and we don’t see how this can happen, the European economic crisis looks set to become devastating before Ukraine is formally defeated.

    It was Europe that vowed it would be off Russian energy by winter, while not mentioning that that depended on completely filling up all gas storage and not cutting themselves off until sometime in the fall. That is already “customer from hell” behavior: “We’ll default on our agreement in the way most convenient for us and brag about it too.”

    Recall also that some of the loss of EU supply was due to Ukraine cutting off transport through one line going through Lugansk (weeks after the separatists took territory near a key junction, thus showing that the Ukraine claim that the separatists might do something bad were trumped up. Why not wait until an incident to deprive Europe of needed gas? But no one, not even a European columnist, chided the sainted Ukrainians for taking an action detrimental to Europe.

    Supply to Europe also fell due to Poland and Bulgaria refusing to pay for gas in the contracted currency at Gazprom bank.

    Recall also that Germany stole the assets of Gazprom Germania, yet Russia retaliated narrowly, by sanctioning the entities involved in the heist (I have yet to see any discussion of that impact….is the Western press not willing to admit to any?)

    As to the uproar over the reduction of shipments on Nord Stream 1, Putin offered repeatedly to let the EU use Nord Stream 2. So Russia cannot be accused of denying Europe supply. This is about putting institutional and personal egos ahead of serving the public good.
     

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Bill Jones

    Some of us across the pond have been paying attention to the accelerating Western European energy catastrophe including its effects on fertilizer production (the US is a food superpower and I’m from farming stock and a farming region I’ve retired back to). Although I’ll note it started before the special military operation, CF Industries for example shut down its two nitrogen fixing plants in the U.K. in September 2021 due to high natural gas prices (it provides hydrogens to make ammonia; pure CO2 is a byproduct and one plant was paid by the government to start producing again for that, it’s heavily used by the food industry). Just skimmed an item on ZeroHedge saying 70% of the region’s ammonia production is off-line right now.

    Some of this might be related by how Xi screwed up the 2021-20 winter heating and electricity season, but that became acute long after the above CF event. A lot is obviously bad Green policies, and to some extent connected I’m sure some was “‘customer from hell’ behavior” that Yves Smith call out.

    Specifically Russia/Putin/Gazprom wants its customers to sign long term contracts so it can make the investments it needs to continue supplying gas. Plenty of regulating entities prefer to buy on the spot market for a bunch of reasons, some very bad in addition to “no fossil fuel use by [unrealistic date],” and thus the “we are fulfilling our contracted volumes” statements. As far as I know, none of these contracts specified spot price selling, supplying that market has just been a custom. And not supplying it would be battlespace preparation for the eventual showdown over the Ukraine, but also see own goals like Germany shutting down three of its last six nuclear power plants at the end of December 2021.

    As a side note we in the US are feeling it to the extent we’re shipping record amounts of LNG to Europe, although that’s a bit less after one plant that liquefied 16-20% of our volume is off-line until at least mid-October due to a small-ish explosion. And new ones will be coming on-line fairly soon as I remember. This is hitting our electrical prices in summer air conditioning season, and will without change our winter heating season. And our ruling trash won’t care after our early November elections, at least if things don’t get as spicy as they’re looking to get across the pond.

  102. @nebulafox
    @Buffalo Joe

    This isn't true. Japan's heads of state have apologized, several times, for its wartime conduct. In the case of China, this goes back to the normalization of relations in 1972. Postwar Sino-Japanese relations were probably at their most positive in the 1970s and 1980s, when there actually did exist plenty of people in government who remembered WWII.

    What the Chinese really want is for Japan to be psychologically more like Germany. This is never going to happen because a) Japan's government, bureaucracies, media, and universities are not staffed top to bottom with people that have a hateful masochism complex regarding their people and culture, and b) because we're closer to 100 years after the war than 50. And to be fair to Beijing, I think they get that, so you are left with the domestic politics involved and the lack of incentive to acknowledge anything. Note the gap between Chinese Internet and the government on Abe's assassination.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anon

    nebu, the book I quoted was published in 1997/1998. An internet search shows Japanese PMs have expressed regrets but no formal apology issued by the Japanese government. We’re good, stay safe.

  103. Remember Esquire magazine? It was pretty good sometimes,had some good humor,like a feature on people doing stupid things,with the tagline,” unclear on the concept.”

    Years ago,in the magazine, I read a story about some black male married to a white slag,whose son just ups and murders some white kid. The author was the killers black father,and he went on and on about black this and black that.
    I got the feeling he thought he,the dad,was some kind of really special guy,a brilliant victim of raycizzum!
    He got a white wife! He’s the Man!
    I’m pretty sure Wideman was the guy in that magazine article,and what a fathead he was,and is!
    F him,F his rotten lousy wife and his screwball murderer son.
    And F Emmet,and F Joe Biden and…

  104. @I, Libertine
    @Corvinus

    In the seventies, as the war was ending, I was the chief enlisted assistant to the psychiatrist for an infantry division. One of our duties was to psychologically evaluate soldiers who were being discharged for disciplinary reasons.

    Commonly, the “exit interview” I conducted with these incorrigibles included an exchange of this nature:

    Q. So, why did you enlist in the Army?
    A. Well, the judge told me that I’d better have signed up by my next court date, or he’d send me me to jail.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Commonly, the “exit interview” I conducted with these incorrigibles included an exchange of this nature:“

    Of course there were “degenerates” who were soldiers in WW2. But Mr. Sailer made an unsubstantiated claim You seem to be falling for his trick—make a statement without evidence to back it up, because he believes it is a truism.

    So were the majority of white American soldiers in WW2 the “bottom of the barrel”? What proof do you have to support that contention?

    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    @Corvinus

    I’m not sure what your issue is.

    I didn’t write that the majority of white American troops were bottom of the barrel in WWII, and neither did Steve. It is true, however, that the military, particularly the Army, is less choosy about who it takes in during wartime [see: MacNamara’s morons].That’s not quite the same contention that you accuse me of falling for,is it?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    Of course there were “degenerates” who were soldiers in WW2.
     
    Do you have evidence to back this up, or are you just making another baseless assertion? Oh Corvirus, you're so cagey.

    make a statement without evidence to back it up, because he believes it is a truism.
     
    I will need to see proof that "he believes it is a truism". Otherwise I will conclude that you simply FAIL TO NOTICE.

    Then later, Corky says:

    "He has a track record of saying things without saying things, aka an inference to lead his readers to a desired narrative.
     
    AGAIN with the baseless assertions. A "track record" implies "more than once". Please provide at least 5 instances backing up your claims.
  105. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    Her name was Anna Zanchi

    Louis Till’s execution order was signed by no other than General Dwight D. Eisenhower. He was found guilty of sexual assault and murder in Leghorn, Italy on February 17, 1945 — he was alleged to have killed Anna Zanchi, and raped Benni Lucretzia and Frieda Mari the year earlier. Till was executed on July 2, 1945, and buried in a military cemetery in France, the Oise Aisne World War I cemetery.

    https://medium.com/frame-of-reference/emmett-tills-father-died-for-the-same-reason-as-his-son-fe6dc7dc451e

  106. @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don't owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s--t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn't get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldlan, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    My God! Yes, Hitler had a plan to destroy Poland!
    He told Himmler about it and Himmler said,gee,boss,you made this whole big plan,all by yourself?
    Hitler repled,” It was easy,I just took this book,”Germany Must Perish”,and wherever it said Germany,I crossed it out and wrote Poland!”
    “That,” said Himmler,” is why they call you the Fuhrer!!”😉

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    My God! Yes, Hitler had a plan to destroy Poland!
    He told Himmler about it and Himmler said,gee,boss,you made this whole big plan,all by yourself?
    Hitler repled,” It was easy,I just took this book,”Germany Must Perish”,and wherever it said Germany,I crossed it out and wrote Poland!”

    Germany Must Perish was self-published by an American Jew in 1941 and rejected by Allied leaders.

    Hitler talked about taking territory from the East in Mein Kampf which was published in 1925. Which state do you think he was talking about?

    The Nazis dropped 560 tons of ordinance on Warsaw in a single day.
    https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-destruction-of-warsaw-the-nazi-plan-to-obliterate-a-city

    The Great Anti-Communist dropped thousands of bombs on Christian women and children.

    I'm sure the Jews somehow made him do it.

    , @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    I think you have to work on your timeline a bit since Germany Must Perish was published in 1941 and Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 (and wrote Mein Kampf in 1925). You might even come to the conclusion that Kaufman got his genocidal ideas (and motivation for wanting to dismember Germany) FROM Hitler rather than vice versa.

    Note that after the war, Germany didn't quite get carved up as much as Kaufman wanted (which was for it to disappear from the map entirely as Poland had once been erased) but it did get carved up quite a bit. Arguably, it has never really regained its full national sovereignty - in their dreams, post Cold War Germans pictured themselves as a neutral buffer between Russia and America but when push came to shove they had no choice but to go with America - the best they could do is drag their heels a little. And as for sterilization, given the birth rate in German (1.54 children per woman, even lower if you count only women of German extraction) the Germans are doing this to themselves.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  107. OT Absolute must-read, explains everything, flesh on the bones, names named, it’s not just the Deep State (which technically includes map readers and the Geological Survey), it’s this same clutch of people, and this piece interrelates them in new ways. Long. tldr spooks and para-spooks cynically calculated that they could make a boogeyman out of Russia because Americans don’t know anything anout Russia. One of the remarkable findings of the piece is how often they invoked this Russian nonsense. Literally everyone they don’t like is a Russian to these people.
    https://archive.ph/gXVna

  108. Breaking News! President Biden Reveals That Emmett Till Is Dead.

    I wasn’t aware that anyone had disputed this. Good thing to know Biden’s brain is still alive and active… in 1955.

    Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II. For example, from Wikipedia’s entry on Louis Till:

    Eddie Slovik, as well. He was rejected by his draft board in 1943, then called again in 1944 and taken in. Overextension, anybody?

    Yes, he made no attempt to evade the draft, just to avoid it– legally. And he turned out to be right.

    After all, more blacks than whites per capita were convicted of raping European women during WWII, and, obviously, that couldn’t possibly mean that blacks tended to be guiltier.

    This is almost certainly true of the Civil War and its aftermath, but nobody on either side wanted– or wants– to admit it.

  109. @Ian Smith
    Just a thought: I don’t think that bringing up Louis Till is quite the ‘gotcha’ people in our circles seem to think it is. It strikes me as a bit of a whataboutism.

    Replies: @Legba, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    How is it whataboutism? It’s more theappledontfallfarfromthetreeism.

    • Agree: Richard B
  110. @War for Blair Mountain
    Emmett Till got what he deserved…so did his father…

    Why do you continue to watch NFL TYRONE BALL you Cucks? You are outsourcing your Manhood…

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Emmett Till got a bit more than he deserved. He deserved a beating.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @JimDandy


    Emmett Till got a bit more than he deserved. He deserved a beating.

     

    My understand has always been that a good beating to scare him and teach him a lesson was all the Bryants ever intended, but that during the administration of said beating things got out of hand and they ended up killing him.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Corvinus

  111. @nebulafox
    @AnotherDad

    >The Japanese lying and soft-pedalling their crimes must annoy a lot of other Asians.

    As I alluded to, there are domestic political incentives in some of these countries to not acknowledge Japanese apologies or to deem them invalid.

    To give a counterexample, unlike Taiwan or other Southeast Asian countries where the occupation experience was genuinely remembered sort-of differently, the Philippines endured Japanese atrocities that could rival anything that happened in China or Korea. This culminated in 1945 with their own version of the Nanjing Massacre, comparable both in the death toll and the sadism involved, right in their capital. Manila was the Pearl of the Orient before the war. It has, quite literally, never been the same since. It was the second most destroyed city in the world following the intentionally-dismantled Warsaw.

    Yet Filipino-Japanese relations are fine. The Filipino public views Japan very positively. That's not because they are stupid or ignorant of what happened, but because life has moved on and there's no political incentive to focus on it anymore. The Japanese government doesn't deny the massacre happened, apologized after the war, and provided reparations. Of course, that's part of the issue: they did this back in the 1950s when Japan didn't have official relations with either the ROK or the PRC. But sometimes, that's just how history goes: you take what you can get and go. German behavior after 1968 in trying to appease everybody-a futile exercise-has been the exception, not the rule, and it's not a healthy example that anybody should want to imitate.

    (It should be noted that in the ROK, the then-government renounced rights to reparations in 1965 in exchange for Japanese investment and economic help. You can imagine this is a sore point.)

    I don't doubt the nationalistic sentiment of your average Internet commentator, partly because nationalism isn't a dirty word in Asian education systems like it is in the West. I'm just cynical about the domestic politics involved, especially when it is clear that cooperation is going to be needed if everybody doesn't want to be a Chinese vassal someday.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yet Filipino-Japanese relations are fine. The Filipino public views Japan very positively. That’s not because they are stupid or ignorant of what happened, but because life has moved on and there’s no political incentive to focus on it anymore.

    Unlike Canada, whom the Philippine president threatened with war over too many dirty diapers getting into the “recycling” shipment.

  112. This OT piece on Ukraine, sure to be popular among the “Putin couldn’t take Keeeev ” dipshits, is well worth the read. Follow the links to the Marine Corp guy’s analysis too, it apparently is causing head spinning among those in the DoD who get their info on Putin’s Secret Goals from the same place as Steve.

    https://foundingquestions.wordpress.com/2022/08/29/marinus-article-analysis-guest-post-by-pickle-rick/

    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/a-former-us-marine-corps-officers.html?m=1

    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/07/destroying-mother-of-all-proxy-armies.html

    Not much of this would be news to those following The Duran and the Military Summary guy.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bill Jones

    Dr Gorka had a guest host recently who put in the obligatory Putin Bad but then was refreshingly honest and sane about what obviously will happen.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Bill Jones

    I am having trouble giving a damn about what happens in Ukraine. Yeah, I know it could escalate into WW3 any minute now, but I can make no sense of all the propaganda from both sides and the expert opinion from the MSM. So I have decided that I don't care what happens.

    It's 83 and sunny here in Canuckistan. The water is warm, the beer is cold, and my jetski beckons.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Bill Jones

    Bill, thanks for the link to the Marine Corps Gazette article. That--unlike most b.s.ing on Putin's War was actually worth reading.

    That said, while that Marine's explanation was interesting, I don't think anyone outside of Putin's circle and the Russian command really has much of handle on what is really going on. The issues the Russians had/have and what exactly Putin's political goals were/are and his endgame--how much does he want to grab and at what price?

    I know I don't know any of this. But despite all sorts of claims of understanding and "what's really going on" yapping, I don't think very many people know much of anything either.

    But again, thanks for the Marine Corps Gazette piece--actually worth reading.

  113. @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don't owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s--t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn't get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldlan, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    Americans and French don’t owe anyone an apology.

    Ok, I’m not big on this apology stuff.

    This is why I mentioned French:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate

    The behavior of the Frances Moroccan troops was beyond the pale of behavior for a 20th century Western army. (Of course, they aren’t Western.) Of course, much worse occurred on the Eastern Front. (By this time, incidentally the Italians had surrendered, and while the Germans rescued Mussolini and setup a puppet regime, the war was against the Germans. So this was rape unleashed against a nominal ally.)

    ~~~

    Re America, and your Hitler stuff …

    Yeah, Hitler bad–duh. Maybe there’s a big–huge, gaping–political space between Hitler and American minoritarianism?

    Western Christianity thrived for 1000+ years. Yeah, lots of stupid warring with this King or that trying to grab territory (and tax base) from the other guy. Lots of stupid warring over boundaries between nations. Lots of stupid warring over colonial possessions. But overall creating the greatest civilization–with the greatest accomplishments–on the planet.

    If America wants to help, rather than hurt Europe, encourage the Europeans with a “Don’t copy the stupid minoritarian bullshit we do. Our “diversity” bullshit is a curse we have to bear, it is not for you. Stop immigration and look after the health and survival of your unique and wonderful nations.”

    Encouraging them to take on the diversity burden we have is ideological malpractice and just being a bad neighbor.

  114. @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don't owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s--t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn't get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldlan, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    Americans and French don’t owe anyone an apology.

    No, not today’s. Anyone adult at war’s end would be 95 or older today. No, make that 98– the age of majority was higher.

    However, those who conducted the war certainly owed apologies to their Creator.

  115. @Rob McX
    Funny how both Tills achieved a sort of immortality. Louis, as well as being begetter of the great Emmett, merits a mention in Ezra Pound's Pisan Cantos: “Till was hung yesterday/for murder and rape with trimmings.”

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alden

    I love the Cantos. I have to find it and read it again. And my very favorite epic poem or whatever it’s called John Brown’s Body by Stephen Vincent Benet.

    Sally Dupre Sally Dupre. Her eyes were neither black nor gray. only daughter of misalliance hardened her heart for fear of defiance.
    She could sew all day on an Appleton dress
    And look like a saint in plaster
    But when the fiddles began to play
    Her feet beat fast but her heart beat faster

    I’ll always remember that., I really don’t like the US civil war subject. Glorifying Lincoln and abolitionist John Brown and the slaughter of 750 White men in the prime of life. But I love the poem. Plus the fact that there are few blacks in it. And no Gullah apostrophe gobble grunt dialogue. Why I don’t like GTW and other civil war movies and books. Blackety blackety black

    • Thanks: Rob McX
  116. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

     

    Even in a city like Philly, only maybe 1 black in 1,000 will commit murder in any given year (although if you were to focus on say black men between age 16 to 39 the rate would be much higher). But this is still many times greater than the white homicide rate. It's not just murder and shooting that makes the ghetto unlivable but all of the day to day crime - the graffiti and vandalism and minor theft , not to mention the armed robberies and car jackings, etc. Everyone becomes a crime victim eventually and many suffer repeatedly.

    Last weekend I happened to visit an exceptionally white part of PA (Sullivan County PA is 96% white - you don't need to go to Idaho to experience whiteness). One of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was - people left out boats and bikes, the unmanned farm stand had an honor box for payment, etc. I would bet that a lot of people there leave their houses unlocked and their car keys in the ignition too. It's just assumed that people won't take stuff that doesn't belong to them. It really lifts a psychic burden if you don't have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.

    Replies: @Gordo, @BfloBob, @Fungus Among Us

    AMEN, Jack D ! I’m 55 and grew up like that – still happens where I live now (not far from the PA line with NY) – semi-country living has it’s advantages…

  117. @Ian Smith
    Just a thought: I don’t think that bringing up Louis Till is quite the ‘gotcha’ people in our circles seem to think it is. It strikes me as a bit of a whataboutism.

    Replies: @Legba, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    Whataboutism is conceding an accusation because of universal guilt: I ran a stop sign but so did you. Its only hope of winning is if the whatabout is big enough to blow away the original accusation: when you ran a stop sign, you killed fifty children. Emmett Till is idol worship, not whataboutism, and pointing out its emptiness is not whataboutism in any way I can see.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @J.Ross

    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @ThreeCranes

  118. @Bill Jones
    This OT piece on Ukraine, sure to be popular among the "Putin couldn't take Keeeev " dipshits, is well worth the read. Follow the links to the Marine Corp guy's analysis too, it apparently is causing head spinning among those in the DoD who get their info on Putin's Secret Goals from the same place as Steve.

    https://foundingquestions.wordpress.com/2022/08/29/marinus-article-analysis-guest-post-by-pickle-rick/


    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/a-former-us-marine-corps-officers.html?m=1

    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/07/destroying-mother-of-all-proxy-armies.html

    Not much of this would be news to those following The Duran and the Military Summary guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad

    Dr Gorka had a guest host recently who put in the obligatory Putin Bad but then was refreshingly honest and sane about what obviously will happen.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    Dr Gorka had a guest host recently who put in the obligatory Putin Bad but then was refreshingly honest and sane about what obviously will happen.
     
    What do you think will happen?
  119. @Bill Jones
    This OT piece on Ukraine, sure to be popular among the "Putin couldn't take Keeeev " dipshits, is well worth the read. Follow the links to the Marine Corp guy's analysis too, it apparently is causing head spinning among those in the DoD who get their info on Putin's Secret Goals from the same place as Steve.

    https://foundingquestions.wordpress.com/2022/08/29/marinus-article-analysis-guest-post-by-pickle-rick/


    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/a-former-us-marine-corps-officers.html?m=1

    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/07/destroying-mother-of-all-proxy-armies.html

    Not much of this would be news to those following The Duran and the Military Summary guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad

    I am having trouble giving a damn about what happens in Ukraine. Yeah, I know it could escalate into WW3 any minute now, but I can make no sense of all the propaganda from both sides and the expert opinion from the MSM. So I have decided that I don’t care what happens.

    It’s 83 and sunny here in Canuckistan. The water is warm, the beer is cold, and my jetski beckons.

  120. Missed It By That Much! (cont.)

  121. @John Henry

    a judge forced Till to choose between enlistment in the Army and imprisonment. Choosing the former, he enlisted in 1943.
     
    Yes, I am sure this is still going on. We had a half dozen "jail or Army cook school" POC's from St. Louis in my Basic Training company in 1969.

    They partied all night in the latrine and slept through many classes in the daytime. Though none missed Mess Call.

    Replies: @Fungus Among Us

    They partied all night in the latrine

    No shit!?

    • Replies: @John Henry
    @Fungus Among Us

    Ha ha.

    It was the only large common area on the floor. They couldn't much get away with this in the bunk areas and hallways.

  122. OT For Mr. Sailer. Coming to LA soon maybe:

    “Urban Bush Women—Hair & Other Stories

    Hair & Other Stories is a dance-theater work that reflects on race, identity, and ideas of beauty through the lens of Black women’s hair. Using movement, song, and conversation, it explores what constitutes freedom, liberation, and release in our everyday struggles to rise to our Extra-ordinary Selves in extraordinary times. This is the urgent dialogue of the 21st Century.”

    https://playhouse.pointpark.edu/tickets/Playhouse-Presents-The-Artists-Series/urban-bush-women

  123. @Kolya Krassotkin
    Did Biden thank Till for faithfully voting Democrat ever since he shuffled off this mortal coil?

    (When you're dead, you either vote Democrat or you don't vote.)

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    (When you’re dead, you either vote Democrat or you don’t vote.)

    Here is where you see the deep evil of Voter ID laws. Imagine preventing Emmett Till from voting! It’s like their killing him all over again.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @kaganovitch

    I'll bet in hell Satan doesn't require a photo ID to vote.

  124. Atlanta jury awards \$100 million to stupid black panhandler who was tazed by stupid black cop. There’s going to be more and more of this as the quality of cops declines. Also the quality of negroes.

    https://mol.im/a/11157029

  125. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    even in the slums > 90% of the men and 98% of the women will get from one end of this life to the other without killing someone.

     

    Even in a city like Philly, only maybe 1 black in 1,000 will commit murder in any given year (although if you were to focus on say black men between age 16 to 39 the rate would be much higher). But this is still many times greater than the white homicide rate. It's not just murder and shooting that makes the ghetto unlivable but all of the day to day crime - the graffiti and vandalism and minor theft , not to mention the armed robberies and car jackings, etc. Everyone becomes a crime victim eventually and many suffer repeatedly.

    Last weekend I happened to visit an exceptionally white part of PA (Sullivan County PA is 96% white - you don't need to go to Idaho to experience whiteness). One of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was - people left out boats and bikes, the unmanned farm stand had an honor box for payment, etc. I would bet that a lot of people there leave their houses unlocked and their car keys in the ignition too. It's just assumed that people won't take stuff that doesn't belong to them. It really lifts a psychic burden if you don't have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.

    Replies: @Gordo, @BfloBob, @Fungus Among Us

    Sullivan County PA is 96% white…one of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was – people left out boats and bikes,

    Thanks for posting. This explains the sudden spike in bus ticket sales from North Philly to Sullivan County

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Fungus Among Us

    I don't think kayaks and Sunfish and canoes are really hot sellers in North Philly. Hard to bring back on the bus.

  126. @The Problem with Midway
    @James Speaks

    One year from commission of a crime to carrying out the sentence is not a rush to judgement.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    All negroes are always innocent.

  127. @anonymouseperson
    America should have stayed out of WW2 and even more so WW1. A great book on this is NO CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

    Both American interventions were unnecessary and disastrous.

    Replies: @Fungus Among Us

    Both American interventions were unnecessary and disastrous

    Speak for yourself, gentile.

  128. OT — Epstein, the man who will not die (because he didn’t kill himself). Link claims to be the black book. No idea if it’s any good, will check later.
    https://epsteinsblackbook.com
    Iraq is on fire. US embassy rejecting efforts to leave, live rounds used in green zone. Biden is presiding over a total collapse of American foreign policy. We talked about Afghanistan being once again used as a base for terror operations against the United States, but now Iran’s Western neighbor will be too. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    We talked about Afghanistan being once again used as a base for terror operations against the United States, but now Iran’s Western neighbor will be too. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
     
    Why ever would Muslims want to take up arms against the United States?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  129. Joe Biden will be the president who gave our nation two (2) Vietnam-style embassy evacuations.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @J.Ross

    Iraq, Ukraine or Germany?

  130. @Stan Adams
    Private Louis Till was convicted of raping two Italian women, Benni Lucrezia and Frieda Mari, and of killing a third, Anna Nanchi.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=4OFSSHidzT0C&pg=PA117

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Anon, @Wade Hampton

    Once you go black, you never go back…literally.

  131. It’s only been 30 years, so perhaps this hasn’t had enough time to attain the same urgency in the excusatory canon, but I think it’s totally unconscionable and overtly sexist to overlook the inhumanly racist murder of Latasha Harlins as a proximate cause for the current wave of black violence directed against elderly Asian women. Asian women have been oppressing black women literally for millenia, purposely flaunting their long, straight hair, and brushing their teeth with products bearing insulting caricatures.
    https://qz.com/1871576/darlie-toothpastes-antiracist-rebranding-stirs-backlash-in-china/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Latasha_Harlins

    Latasha Harlins (January 1, 1976 – March 16, 1991) was an African-American girl who was fatally shot at age 15 by Soon Ja Du (Korean: 두순자), a 51-year-old Korean-American convenience store owner. Du was tried and convicted of voluntary manslaughter over the killing of Harlins, based in part on security camera footage. The judge sentenced Du to 10 years in state prison but the sentence was suspended and the defendant was instead placed on five years’ probation with 400 hours of community service, a \$500 restitution, and funeral expenses.[2] The sentencing was widely regarded as an extremely light sentence, and a failed appeal[3] contributed to the 1992 Los Angeles riots, especially the targeting of Koreatown, Los Angeles.[4] The killing of Harlins came 13 days after the videotaped beating of Rodney King.

  132. @Corvinus
    Lol, Mr. Sailer is just as obsessed with Emmitt Til as our “elites”. Now, moving on….

    “Patriotic Americans don’t like to think about it, but the Army scraped the bottom of the barrel pretty hard in recruiting during World War II.”

    We do think about it, to the contrary. Perhaps you should do some NOTICING yourself rather than make unsubstantiated statements under the guise that it is common knowledge.

    https://history.army.mil/events/ahts2015/presentations/seminar6/sem6_MarkFry_text_ImpactOfEdLevels.pdf

    —One of the ways the war department gathered information on a recruit was to look at his occupation in civilian life. If he was engaged as a skilled workman he mostly likely possessed a higher intelligence level, greater initiative, and a sense of responsibility along with a superior physique then men who were not. This was not an end all be all method of determining a man's eventual assignment, it merely gave the Army an indication as to how well he could adapt to his new role as a combat soldier and leader. Even those with a superior intelligence would have to learn their military job in the Army as there were few crossover occupations from civilian life in the army.

    Despite the fact that there was a war on and the immediate need for manpower was great, the Army understood that it needed to look to the future as well. If it drafted all the young men allowed by the Selective Service and Training Act of 1940 it would eventually run out of trained men capable of performing the technical jobs the Army and eventually the nation would need in the future.

    In order to preserve enough men with these skills, the Army created a special training program in which approximately 150,000 young men could be trained for the future in fields such as medicine and other technical fields. The Army's would be called the Army Specialized Training Program or ASTP. The goal of these programs was to provide the military with specially trained technicians that the Colleges could train more rapidly and efficiently than the Army could within its own organization.

    One of the biggest opponents of the program was Lt. Gen. Lesley J. McNair. Gen. McNair felt the army needed men “with the brains and battlefield skills to defeat the more experienced German and Japanese Armies.”Not being against having men with additional education, but he saw no reason why it provided a better soldier when it came to combat effectiveness.

    The plan was officially announced in the New York Times on December 18, 1942 and gave a description of all that the program would entail. Throughout the winter and spring of 1943 the Army worked diligently to locate and acquire the necessary university and college support for the program. In the spring, more than three hundred colleges and Universities welcomed on campus the nearly 150,000 young men beginning their training. The ASTP term was divided into twelve-week terms with a week off between terms; and offered in two phases, a basic and an advanced. The basic phase covered what a college or university student would cover in the first year and a half of college in three sessions over nine months, while the advanced phase covered from the point the basic phase left off until the student was at a level of expertise “commensurate with the Army's needs.” The one deviation was in the medical field, where medical, dental, and veterinary students participated in accelerated courses approved by their respective professional educating associations.

    In order to be considered for ASTP, the recruit must meet a series of criteria. One he must have a high school diploma. Two, he must have scored an 110 or higher on the AGCT. This was the same threshold set for entrance to Officer Candidate school (OCS), although this score was later changed to 115 for the ASTP. Three, he must have completed basic training. For older men who might have already attended some college, the criteria were slightly different. They must have had completed at least one year of college and had “substantial background” in a foreign language or a year of mathematics, physics, or biology. For those with more than three years of college they must have majored in pre-dentistry, pre-medicine, or engineering, or “substantial background” in one or more foreign languages.—

    Replies: @Jack D, @I, Libertine, @Wade Hampton

    Too long, didn’t read. Or more accurately, Corvinus, didn’t read.

    • Agree: al gore rhythms
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Wade Hampton

    I really like the "ignore commenter" button.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  133. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @That Would Be Telling

    Till committed his crimes on June 27 and 28, 1944 and was executed 1 year later on July 2, 1945. Nowadays it take decades between crime and execution but in those days I would say that a year was rather a long time.

    Here is a shorter version of Wideman's book length account:

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48989/black-and-white-case/


    We also seriously underestimated our requirements for ground forces and after the fighting got heavy after D-Day the replacement system didn’t work very well. Although that included redirecting a number of men who’d been or were being trained for something else to the ground forces.
     
    This is going on right now with the Russian Army in Ukraine (and to some extent with the Ukrainian Army also) . Combat (esp. WWI/WWII style combat which is basically what the Russians have been doing and especially offense which requires more manpower than defense) really chews thru the infantry and so you need a LOT of replacements. After a while you will take any warm body whether they are properly trained or suited to the role. Since the people you are sending are not well trained or suited and are often thrown together in poorly trained units that have not drilled together and which have weak leadership, they often don't last very long at the front either which leads to a vicious cycle where you take even less qualified people. After some advances in Luhansk in early July, the Russia offensive appears to have stalled (perhaps in part for this reason) and the lines have moved very little since then. Or perhaps it is a gesture of Russian "good will": on 24 August 2022, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told the Shanghai Cooperation Organization that Russia was deliberately slowing the pace of its military campaign in Ukraine, driven by the need to reduce civilian casualties. But I doubt it.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1563029847848677376

    Till Sr. was with the Transport Corps. as you speculated. Most colored troops (the Army was still segregated during WWII - the US Army was always disproportionately Southern since the days of George Washington and followed Southern folkways) were assigned to logistics (truck driving, loading ships, etc.) because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous - if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @HA, @Anonymous

    because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.

    It soldiers of any race break and run the entire line is endangered.

    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Anonymous


    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?
     
    Watch just one episode of 'Cops.' Whenever they ask a black guy why he ran from the police, one hundred percent of them say "I was scared."
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Anonymous


    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?
     
    Precisely that their bugout ratio was disproportionately high relative to any other demographic. The sociopathy that translates to excessive criminality also means they don't really give a damn about orders from above or the man next to them, let alone the course of the war.

    Replies: @Jack D

  134. @JimDandy
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Emmett Till got a bit more than he deserved. He deserved a beating.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    Emmett Till got a bit more than he deserved. He deserved a beating.

    My understand has always been that a good beating to scare him and teach him a lesson was all the Bryants ever intended, but that during the administration of said beating things got out of hand and they ended up killing him.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @JR Ewing

    Interesting. Do you remember where you read that?

    , @Corvinus
    @JR Ewing

    Should they even laid a hand on him in the first place?

    Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky

  135. @Wielgus
    In the discussion part of the Wikipedia article on the ASTP, a former PFC, Marvin Shar, mentions not being able to get into the US Army at first because his eyesight was bad, but later he did as they relaxed the standards in 1944. There was a similar process for potential air gunners in the US Army Air Force. Colour blindness did not seem to matter, according to one of them cited in Tail End Charlies, a book about the bomber war of 1944-5. He said they were shown balls of coloured wool but would get some fairly strong hints like "You know that's not the red one."
    However, the USA did not send penal units into combat, unlike the Germans and the Soviets, and did not need to resort to drafting the very old and the very young into anything like the Volkssturm.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …did not need to resort to drafting the very old and the very young into anything like the Volkssturm.

    You only do that when you’re fighting on your own territory or nearby.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Hibernian

    True, but my general point is the Americans were under less pressure to scrape the bottom of the barrel than many other participants in WW2.

  136. Anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @Buffalo Joe

    This isn't true. Japan's heads of state have apologized, several times, for its wartime conduct. In the case of China, this goes back to the normalization of relations in 1972. Postwar Sino-Japanese relations were probably at their most positive in the 1970s and 1980s, when there actually did exist plenty of people in government who remembered WWII.

    What the Chinese really want is for Japan to be psychologically more like Germany. This is never going to happen because a) Japan's government, bureaucracies, media, and universities are not staffed top to bottom with people that have a hateful masochism complex regarding their people and culture, and b) because we're closer to 100 years after the war than 50. And to be fair to Beijing, I think they get that, so you are left with the domestic politics involved and the lack of incentive to acknowledge anything. Note the gap between Chinese Internet and the government on Abe's assassination.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anon

    What the Chinese really want is for Japan to be psychologically more like Germany. This is never going to happen because a) Japan’s government, bureaucracies, media, and universities are not staffed top to bottom with people that have a hateful masochism complex regarding their people and culture

    Japan isn’t staffed with Jews who have ill will toward the host people.

  137. @J.Ross
    @Ian Smith

    Whataboutism is conceding an accusation because of universal guilt: I ran a stop sign but so did you. Its only hope of winning is if the whatabout is big enough to blow away the original accusation: when you ran a stop sign, you killed fifty children. Emmett Till is idol worship, not whataboutism, and pointing out its emptiness is not whataboutism in any way I can see.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.

    • Agree: AKAHorace
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Ian Smith

    So you're not familiar with the evidence that being a rapist is genetic. Okay.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ian Smith


    ...I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote.
     
    It's too often said that it's unimaginable that a black teen would dare speak out like that in 1950s Mississippi. This is a quite valid point-- for about 90, 95, 99, whatever % of the black population. Those who say Emmitt was guilty are saying he was in the remnant.

    What are the odds that any given black male is? You can bet that they'd be much higher for the son of a homicidal rapist than for a boy chosen at random. (On top of this, Emmitt grew up without a father, far less common at the time.)

    So while Louis's guilt is indeed irrelevant to the question of his son's, it is very relevant to analyzing the probability of the latter.

    Replies: @Anon, @Wielgus

    , @AnotherDad
    @Ian Smith


    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.
     
    Ian, Till did not deserve to be beaten to death. (My take on what I've read was that everyone at the time thought some degree of beating was coming/deserved. But no one including the white folks in town thought the killing was deserved. An asshole who needed some sense/proper behavior knocked into him seems to more have been the thought.) Nor is Till responsible for his father's rape, though that certainly goes a long way toward explaining his assholery.

    But you just clean missed why Steve's response to Biden was so excellent. It isn't that Till is necessarily a genetic bad apple. It is it is that Biden--nominally the President of the United States--is blabbing about a--personal score-settling--murder from 67 years ago, using it to beat whitey ... today. An anachronism.

    Steve's countering with Till's own father--ouch!--raping and murdering 78 years ago, while serving as an American soldier. Which scores so many hits at once it's positively delicious.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Ian Smith

    We don't know the circumstances of his being "beaten to death". All that we have to go by is evidence presented to our senses. What we have seen, over and over, is that black youths who are engaged in some illegal enterprise, when stopped and confronted by the law or legitimate property owners, react with defiance and willful resistance. That resistance provokes law enforcement into harsher measures to restrain the wild, struggling animal they now are faced with. Every video shows a black man turning into a beast when he realizes that he is to be held accountable and arrested.

    The black men who do this are all too often, the sons of single moms. Their mothers have polluted their minds with tall tales of white men's depravity. Crippled by their genetically limited capacity for reason, bathed in the superstitious propaganda of an ignorant, unworldly woman, a black youth's worldview is completely out of touch with the actual world in which he lives.

    Most likely, the two men who kidnapped Till intended to take him for a ride into the country and set him loose, miles from town (this was a common fraternity hazing at the time). Truss him up, give him a few licks, and let him walk home. Give him some time to think about how things are different in the South compared to Chicago.

    But Till's mind had been polluted by his mother's ignorant rants about the evils of white devils. So Till, when they dragged him from the back of the pickup truck, went into full George Floyd, Trayvon Martin mode and began kicking and lashing out. He went literally insane. He went into uncageable, black beast mode. The men tried to restrain him but in his struggles, he hurt them, so they retaliated.

    In the same way Jewish moms fill their sons with hate and irrational fear of white people, so too do black mothers fill the minds of their sons. As a consequence, the minds of the offspring of both races dwell in a world of fantasy, peopled with monsters of their own conjuring. When they react to those phantoms, they lash out and hurt the rest of us, the innocent people around them. Having done no wrong, their behavior is impossible for the average white person to fathom. Why such hate? Such fear? Such paranoia? Such projection? Such invention?

    What black and Jewish mothers emote, Freud called "hysteria". Its identifying characteristic is "unfounded fear". Persons in the grip of it are called "neurotic". They are out of their minds and cannot be reasoned with. No amount of gentle persuasion or reasoning with can get through to them. Their compulsive behavior is so strong that it drives all interactions with them. This is what we Whites have to cope with in dealing with Jewish and black mothers. Unfortunately, our cultural and genetic evolution has so diverged from theirs that evolution has not endowed us with the means to do so.

  138. @Gordo
    @Jack D


    It really lifts a psychic burden if you don’t have to live with having to guard your stuff and yourself all the time due to having blacks in your area.
     
    Plus they are noisy, why do they have to be so noisy?

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Jack D, @Lurker

    How else are they supposed to keep it real?

  139. @MEH 0910
    @Ron Mexico

    https://vault.si.com/vault/1997/03/17/out-of-the-shadows-like-her-father-the-distinguished-writer-john-edgar-wideman-stanford-point-guard-jamila-wideman-has-had-to-confront-a-dark-family-legacy-while-attracting-the-limelight-with-her-surpassing-gift

    https://archive.ph/qZjS7

    https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/stanford-university-jamila-wideman-march-17-1997-sports-illustrated-cover.jpg

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Jamila became an activist lawyer for criminals.
    Wiki: In September 2018, Wideman was hired by the NBA as Vice President of Player Development.
    Perfect fit
    She hasn’t killed anyone–that we know of.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Ralph L

    She's more her Jewish mother than her black father.

  140. @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    It is sad that we inflicted this upon Europeans. (The French really owe them an apology.)

    But then we were inflicting much much worse in order to win the war. And Europeans were–as they’d done in the first war–inflicting terrible fire and death upon each other.

    Americans and French don't owe anyone an apology.

    It was a failed artist that claimed to be an anti-Communist and then carpet bombed Warsaw.

    Hitler was just plain full of s--t.

    Poles were anti-Communist and he decided to invade them first. Well after he broke the Munich agreement and took all of Czechoslovakia.

    A real anti-Communist would have gone after the Soviet Union first. That is what the British conservatives wanted and Hitler made fools of them by breaking the agreement. It is a myth that he needed Poland to access the USSR. He could have launched his attack against the south without Poland. Would have caught Stalin before he built up his tank factories. Choking off Moscow from the Volgograd made sense.

    Hitler planned on erasing Poland entirely. He planned on wiping out a Christian nation and they even discussed turning Warsaw into a lake. What a guy.

    If the US didn't get involved then there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped. He was addicted to war. Even if died a successor seeped in Nazism might have gone for the globe.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Anonymous, @Bardon Kaldlan, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @Curle

    “ there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. “

    Same with the Soviet Union.

    “There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped.”

    There’s the same probability that he would have stopped as there is he wouldn’t have.

    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Curle


    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.
     
    And sought peace with Great Britain.
    , @kaganovitch
    @Curle

    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.

    How did that work out?

  141. @michael droy

    After all, more blacks than whites per capita were convicted of raping European women during WWII,
     
    Of course.

    To get a conviction of rape is pretty hard, even then.
    You'd need to convince the local jury (or easier the military board) that :
    a) the woman really had said no
    b) the man might actually do such a thing,
    c) the testimony of the man (and perhaps his colleagues) was worth little

    All of which would be much much easier for a black accused than a white accused.

    Here in Britain American white troops (Over-sexed, Over Paid and Over Here) were widely presumed to be seducing Brits with husbands away fighting. Many women were said to wear "American knickers" (one yank and they are off).

    But even though Black Americans were largely surprised at how welcoming the Brits were, it would be very very difficult to persuade a 1940s jury that a woman had consented to sex with a black man.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Ancient Briton, @Robert Paulson

    Americans are oversexed, you say. But the Brit women’s knickers come down with one Yank. Seems it is your Brit women are oversexed. Or you blokes underperform

  142. @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnotherDad


    "People get killed, maimed, raped, starved, stunted, traumatized during war. (War is bad.) But the survivors rebuild, couples get married and have children … the nation recovers.

    But the damage American minoritarian ideology has inflicted can never be fully repaired, and may–if it keeps rolling along much longer–simply destroy Europe."
     
    Yes. Poland has been invaded from Sweden, France, Germany, Russia and the USSR over the last 200 years. Millions of Poles have died, the borders have moved back and forth - it's been pretty awful.

    But at the end of all that awfulness, the Poles are still there and Poland is still theirs. The Soviets may have been communists, but they didn't import a new people.

    In England, supposed victor of WW2, something like 33% of all births are now to foreign born mothers. That's basically come about since the 1960s - in 60 years the character of England has been changed forever for the worse.

    England's fate is Poland's future.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    The Soviets may have been communists, but they didn’t import a new people.

    With communism, your right to private property or wealth was gone. On the other hand, you did have a country, such as it was. With immigration and race replacement, you can have private property, but your country is being taken away. Confiscation has shifted from micro to macro level.

    The fact that communist rulers didn’t allow mass immigration was not down to patriotism or nationalism. They thought it would be impossible to control a population that was constantly changing with new arrivals of aliens, and they even distrusted any of their own people who had been abroad. However, I think even these tyrants would have balked at the open borders policy of today.

  143. @kaganovitch
    @puttheforkdown

    Vibrant. The word is vibrant. The vibrancy is especially potent while trying to sleep.

    Speaking of which, I came across the following story today
    https://ew.com/tv/natalie-portman-lady-in-the-lake-extortion-threats

    "Natalie Portman series Lady in the Lake hits pause after threats of violence and extortion: While filming the series in Baltimore this weekend, multiple individuals threatened a member of the crew, according to a statement from studio Endeavor Content provided to EW. A spokesperson for the Baltimore PD told the Los Angeles Times that "the locals" had warned the producers that they would "come back later" that evening and "shoot someone" if the production didn't shut down or pay them $50,000. A separate report from the Baltimore Banner referred to the perpetrators as "drug dealers."

    "The safety and security of our crew, cast and all who work across our productions is our highest priority, and we are thankful no one was injured," Endeavor's statement continues. "Production will resume with increased security measures going forward. It has been a privilege filming Lady in the Lake in Baltimore, working with its vibrant community across many areas."

    A privilege, indeed. Perhaps a White privilege?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I didn’t know anyone used the word vibrant in a non-ironic sense any more.

  144. Two black murderers (father and son) who also both had IQ’s of 130+. Dad got a computer science degree at Leavenworth and got a good computer job with an aeronautical company when was he released at age 43. But he quickly threw it all way when he decided to rape a six-year-old girl. Son (b. 1962) killed two men in the NYC subway at age 15 but was only sentenced to five years due to his juvenile status. Despite that, public outcry plus his penchant for escapes and assaults led to him spending virtually all of his life (up to this point) in custody. Considered to be the most dangerous prisoner in the NY State system while being only 5´9″, 150 lbs. But he is getting kind of old now.

    Author is famed NYT reporter Fox Butterfield.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @fnn

    I should have mentioned they never got the chance to meet each other. But you probably guessed that.

    , @Curle
    @fnn

    By ‘famed’ you mean much maligned and ridiculed, right?

    Fox really cant let go of his favorite fables can he? Explaining their violence he describes the family as being “driven by circumstances, racism, and a distinctly American craving for respect by any means necessary.” More American than African?

  145. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.
     
    It soldiers of any race break and run the entire line is endangered.

    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Johann Ricke

    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?

    Watch just one episode of ‘Cops.’ Whenever they ask a black guy why he ran from the police, one hundred percent of them say “I was scared.”

  146. @ic1000
    @MEH 0910

    Meh, you provided a link to a 1994 story in the Phoenix New Times on John Edgar Wideman, the Rhodes Scholar and English professor who wrote so kindly about Louis Till in "Brothers and Keepers." The story extends to son Jacob Wideman, who at age 16 stabbed 16-year-old white kid Eric Kane for no particular reason. And John Edgar's brother Robby Wideman, also in jail for murder.

    Brothers and Victims, by Tom Fitzpatrick.

    An excellent example of the New Journalism. "Couldn't do it today," as Paleo Retiree used to say at his blog Uncouth Reflections. Fitzpatrick would be cancelled within days for daring to question the elite's narrative.

    In discussing the sociopathic indifference to others' suffering that is the hallmark of these men of the Wideman family, Fitzpatrick quotes a passage from John Edgar's book. This is Robby's account of the murder he committed:


    I'm telling you the whole bit now. Ain't holding nothing back. That's the way we was. Stone gangsters. Robbing people. Waving guns in people's faces. Serious shit. But it was like playing, too. A game. A big game and we was just big kids having fun. Guns wasn't real. Bullets wasn't real. Wasn't planning on hurting nobody. Pow. Pow. You know. Fall over. I got you. No, you didn't. You missed. You lying. I got you first.

    I remember the scraggly hair and them hippie-type clothes but ain't nothing where his face supposed to be. I can hear that soft voice but I can't see no mouth, no face. . . . Last time I saw the dude he was holding his shoulder and hauling ass. Could have blowed him away easy. A real easy shot. I'm remembering how he looked and figuring couldn't be nothing wrong with a cat running as hard as he was. He was grabbing at his shoulder but he was steady truckin'.

    How's he dead, man? The cat was running, man.
     
    It reads like something a drunk Steve Sailer would write, an exaggerated anecdote to illustrate the need for point-of-use gun control.

    You couldn't do it today.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910

    https://pittsburghquarterly.com/articles/brothers-keepers/

    Brothers & Keepers?
    Thoughts on my client Robert Wideman and his brother John Edgar Wideman
    by MARK SCHWARTZ
    2021 FALL

    October 25, 2021
    Editor’s note: Between 1984 and 2019, attorney Mark Schwartz represented convicted felon Robert Wideman, ultimately securing a commutation of his sentence in 2019. This is his account of what transpired in the 35 years he dealt with Wideman and his famous older brother, the author of “Brothers and Keepers.”

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://pittsburghquarterly.com/articles/brothers-keepers/


    With my turning 65, my wife and I decided on a change of venue for six weeks. In the winter of 2018–2019, we rented a place in Stowe, Vt. and drove up with a station wagon full of Wideman documents. Afternoons were dedicated to my writing a Pardon Board “Application for Reconsideration.”

    There was something serendipitous about sitting down that first afternoon for what would be more than a month of drafting. I got a telephone call:

    “Mark… With this new guy [John] Fetterman being elected in November and now sworn in as lieutenant governor, we’ve got a real shot.”
    I didn’t recognize the caller. “May I ask who this is?”
    “Jeff Manning.”

    I didn’t feel that Judge Manning and I were on a first-name basis. But he was correct. For Wolf’s second term, his lieutenant governor would be the upstart former mayor of Braddock, the depressed steel town just outside Pittsburgh. You’d never know from the goatee, black T-shirt, biker look and tattoos that mayor-turned-lieutenant governor John Fetterman was Harvard-educated.
     
    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1564649747155148801

    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1564649774749569024
    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1564649785684099072
    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1564649790516117505
  147. @fnn
    Two black murderers (father and son) who also both had IQ's of 130+. Dad got a computer science degree at Leavenworth and got a good computer job with an aeronautical company when was he released at age 43. But he quickly threw it all way when he decided to rape a six-year-old girl. Son (b. 1962) killed two men in the NYC subway at age 15 but was only sentenced to five years due to his juvenile status. Despite that, public outcry plus his penchant for escapes and assaults led to him spending virtually all of his life (up to this point) in custody. Considered to be the most dangerous prisoner in the NY State system while being only 5´9", 150 lbs. But he is getting kind of old now.

    Author is famed NYT reporter Fox Butterfield.

    https://www.amazon.com/All-Gods-Children-American-Tradition/dp/0380728621

    Replies: @fnn, @Curle

    I should have mentioned they never got the chance to meet each other. But you probably guessed that.

  148. @SaneClownPosse
    @Gimeiyo

    US Marines are still raping Japanese girls on Okinawa.

    Haven't seen where they end up at the end of a rope.

    The WW2 Occupation that has no end date.

    Replies: @ATate

    I remember the famous one from 1995. Heard it about it A LOT when I was at Camp Schwab in 1999.

    In keeping with the theme of Steve’s post, check out the racist white republican racist white Marines who raped the 12 year old Okinawan girl.

    One of the men later raped and murdered a college student after he got out of the Japanese jail (and complained that the Japanese jail worked on “slave labor”).

    https://www.stripes.com/news/former-marine-who-sparked-okinawa-furor-is-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide-1.53269

    Do you have links to all of the other rapes Marines have done over the last 30 years so?

    Sounds like you know of a lot of them.

  149. @ic1000
    @MEH 0910

    Meh, you provided a link to a 1994 story in the Phoenix New Times on John Edgar Wideman, the Rhodes Scholar and English professor who wrote so kindly about Louis Till in "Brothers and Keepers." The story extends to son Jacob Wideman, who at age 16 stabbed 16-year-old white kid Eric Kane for no particular reason. And John Edgar's brother Robby Wideman, also in jail for murder.

    Brothers and Victims, by Tom Fitzpatrick.

    An excellent example of the New Journalism. "Couldn't do it today," as Paleo Retiree used to say at his blog Uncouth Reflections. Fitzpatrick would be cancelled within days for daring to question the elite's narrative.

    In discussing the sociopathic indifference to others' suffering that is the hallmark of these men of the Wideman family, Fitzpatrick quotes a passage from John Edgar's book. This is Robby's account of the murder he committed:


    I'm telling you the whole bit now. Ain't holding nothing back. That's the way we was. Stone gangsters. Robbing people. Waving guns in people's faces. Serious shit. But it was like playing, too. A game. A big game and we was just big kids having fun. Guns wasn't real. Bullets wasn't real. Wasn't planning on hurting nobody. Pow. Pow. You know. Fall over. I got you. No, you didn't. You missed. You lying. I got you first.

    I remember the scraggly hair and them hippie-type clothes but ain't nothing where his face supposed to be. I can hear that soft voice but I can't see no mouth, no face. . . . Last time I saw the dude he was holding his shoulder and hauling ass. Could have blowed him away easy. A real easy shot. I'm remembering how he looked and figuring couldn't be nothing wrong with a cat running as hard as he was. He was grabbing at his shoulder but he was steady truckin'.

    How's he dead, man? The cat was running, man.
     
    It reads like something a drunk Steve Sailer would write, an exaggerated anecdote to illustrate the need for point-of-use gun control.

    You couldn't do it today.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @MEH 0910

    My favorite part of Arizona Republic reporter Michael Kiefer's journalistic wordsmithery is italicized in this excerpt:


    Jacob Wideman, now 48, is the son of the novelist John Edgar Wideman, an emeritus professor at Brown University, a former MacArthur fellow, two-time winner of the PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction, and a recipient of an American Book Award.

    Among the senior Wideman's books is a 1985 memoir, Brothers and Keepers, which describes how Wideman pulled himself out of a Pittsburgh ghetto to become an Ivy League basketball star and a Rhodes Scholar, while his brother succumbed to the streets and was beaten down by the establishment until he landed in prison with a life sentence for murder.
     

    That's such a precious description of Felony Murder, much more resonant than Robby's own description of his deed (See comment #66, above).

    On that topic of the establishment, somebody once quipped, "What America needs to do is treat blacks as human being with free will who, when they make good choices enjoy the benefits and when they make bad choices experience the consequences. Instead, The Establishment views blacks as our Sacred Cows, above criticism, but beneath agency."

    Who said that? Be brave, Mr. Kiefer, and click the link.

  150. @Wade Hampton
    @Corvinus

    Too long, didn't read. Or more accurately, Corvinus, didn't read.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    I really like the “ignore commenter” button.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Mike_from_SGV


    I really like the “ignore commenter” button.
     
    Me too. And C was first on my list of 2.
    It's not for nothing that Unz is renowned for having the best commenting system.

    Replies: @I, Libertine

  151. @Charles Pewitt
    OFF TOPIC

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1561771455544705027?s=20&t=Mygs0btCJmR2ebsm2ulhLg

    This big pile of loot forked over to the Federalist Society from deceased electrical products guy Barre Seid is a big deal.

    Mitch McConnell has clam raked big loot from Barre Seid and McConnell is set to grab more from the new loot holder named Leonard Leo.

    McConnell is a treasonous weasel and Mitch McConnell voted for Reagan's 1986 Amnesty For Illegal Alien Invaders. McConnell has crawled into bed with a Chinese woman with clear and shady ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

    McConnell pushes mass legal immigration, mass illegal immigration, REFUGEE OVERLOAD, ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION and multicultural mayhem.

    McConnell pushes sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams.

    McConnell pushes more and more overseas war to provide grift to foreign policy scam artists and plunder opportunities for American Empire profiteers.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    This big pile of loot forked over to the Federalist Society from deceased electrical products guy Barre Seid is a big deal.

    (((Barre Seid))) Every single time!

  152. @J.Ross
    @Bill Jones

    Dr Gorka had a guest host recently who put in the obligatory Putin Bad but then was refreshingly honest and sane about what obviously will happen.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Dr Gorka had a guest host recently who put in the obligatory Putin Bad but then was refreshingly honest and sane about what obviously will happen.

    What do you think will happen?

  153. @J.Ross
    OT -- Epstein, the man who will not die (because he didn't kill himself). Link claims to be the black book. No idea if it's any good, will check later.
    https://epsteinsblackbook.com
    Iraq is on fire. US embassy rejecting efforts to leave, live rounds used in green zone. Biden is presiding over a total collapse of American foreign policy. We talked about Afghanistan being once again used as a base for terror operations against the United States, but now Iran's Western neighbor will be too. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    We talked about Afghanistan being once again used as a base for terror operations against the United States, but now Iran’s Western neighbor will be too. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    Why ever would Muslims want to take up arms against the United States?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Why ever would Muslims want to take up arms against the United States?
     
    Ask the Ambassador.


    https://slideplayer.com/slide/14001796/86/images/17/In+1786%2C+Thomas+Jefferson%2C+then+the+ambassador+to+France%2C+and+John+Adams%2C+ambassador+to+Britain%2C+met+in+London+with+Sidi+Haji+Abdul+Rahman+Adja%2C+a+visiting+ambassador+from+Tripoli..jpg

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  154. @Chebyshev
    If Emmett Till, subject of apparently the most egregious lynching in American history, was a sexual predator, then the typical lynchee must have been guilty of absolutely horrible crimes.

    Replies: @Anymike

    About half of the victims were guilty of capital crimes. Many of the others were guilty of major crimes.

    I have met one person in my life who was present a lynching. The victims were white. This was the St. James Park incident in 1933. The person who was there was a friend’s father. I of course did not talk to him about it. My friend told me the story. But I did meet him.

    The lynching victims had murdered the adult son of a prominent local physician in a bungled kidnapping plot.

    This type of scenario probably was the most common one in the entire history of vigilante capital justice in the United States. There even were some cases where blacks lynched white perpetrators. The local whites did not get too upset about it because they knew the lynching victim was a depraved criminal. In at least one case of a white man having been lynched by blacks, the local coroner ruled it a justifiable homicide.

    • Thanks: Chebyshev
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Anymike

    Clayton Cramer (and Wikipedia isn't awful) is a historian among other things and a while ago he went through old news reports on lynchings. As you relate, there's a significant variety in them that doesn't fit the trope our ruling trash pushes today. One that I remember was after a couple or so young criminal blacks murdered an old black man in his house. The resulting lynch mob was biracial, which if you know the South was not outlandish.

  155. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “ there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. “

    Same with the Soviet Union.

    “There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped.”

    There’s the same probability that he would have stopped as there is he wouldn’t have.

    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch

    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.

    And sought peace with Great Britain.

  156. @Corvinus
    @I, Libertine

    “Commonly, the “exit interview” I conducted with these incorrigibles included an exchange of this nature:“

    Of course there were “degenerates” who were soldiers in WW2. But Mr. Sailer made an unsubstantiated claim You seem to be falling for his trick—make a statement without evidence to back it up, because he believes it is a truism.

    So were the majority of white American soldiers in WW2 the “bottom of the barrel”? What proof do you have to support that contention?

    Replies: @I, Libertine, @William Badwhite

    I’m not sure what your issue is.

    I didn’t write that the majority of white American troops were bottom of the barrel in WWII, and neither did Steve. It is true, however, that the military, particularly the Army, is less choosy about who it takes in during wartime [see: MacNamara’s morons].That’s not quite the same contention that you accuse me of falling for,is it?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @I, Libertine

    I addressed Mr, Sailor’s claim with a source.

    The next question I asked was a follow up, because it is a logical extension of the point he was making. He has a track record of saying things without saying things, aka an inference to lead his readers to a desired narrative.

    So, were the majority of white American soldiers in WW2 the “bottom of the barrel”? What proof do you have to support that contention?

  157. @Ian Smith
    @J.Ross

    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @ThreeCranes

    So you’re not familiar with the evidence that being a rapist is genetic. Okay.

    • Troll: Ian Smith
  158. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “ there was the risk of Germany becoming a superpower and fighting the US in a bigger battle at a later date. “

    Same with the Soviet Union.

    “There is no reason to assume Hitler ever would have stopped.”

    There’s the same probability that he would have stopped as there is he wouldn’t have.

    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.

    Replies: @Anon, @kaganovitch

    “He was addicted to war.”

    But negotiated an peace with Stalin.

    How did that work out?

  159. @Ian Smith
    @J.Ross

    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @ThreeCranes

    …I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote.

    It’s too often said that it’s unimaginable that a black teen would dare speak out like that in 1950s Mississippi. This is a quite valid point– for about 90, 95, 99, whatever % of the black population. Those who say Emmitt was guilty are saying he was in the remnant.

    What are the odds that any given black male is? You can bet that they’d be much higher for the son of a homicidal rapist than for a boy chosen at random. (On top of this, Emmitt grew up without a father, far less common at the time.)

    So while Louis’s guilt is indeed irrelevant to the question of his son’s, it is very relevant to analyzing the probability of the latter.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    So while Louis’s guilt is indeed irrelevant to the question of his son’s, it is very relevant to analyzing the probability of the latter.
     
    It is therefore relevant to the question of the son’s guilt.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Wielgus
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder if the crackers who killed Emmett Till understood concepts like statistical odds and acted with them in mind. Somehow I doubt it.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  160. @Hank Archer
    I recently read a book on America's WWII campaign in North Africa. The author discusses prostitution and VD. Something like 30% of white soldiers in the theater contracted a venereal disease, while virtually 100% of the black soldiers did.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin

    And then I said to Corn Pop, “Until you’ve had the clap, you ain’t really black!”

  161. @kaganovitch
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    (When you’re dead, you either vote Democrat or you don’t vote.)

    Here is where you see the deep evil of Voter ID laws. Imagine preventing Emmett Till from voting! It's like their killing him all over again.

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin

    I’ll bet in hell Satan doesn’t require a photo ID to vote.

  162. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ian Smith


    ...I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote.
     
    It's too often said that it's unimaginable that a black teen would dare speak out like that in 1950s Mississippi. This is a quite valid point-- for about 90, 95, 99, whatever % of the black population. Those who say Emmitt was guilty are saying he was in the remnant.

    What are the odds that any given black male is? You can bet that they'd be much higher for the son of a homicidal rapist than for a boy chosen at random. (On top of this, Emmitt grew up without a father, far less common at the time.)

    So while Louis's guilt is indeed irrelevant to the question of his son's, it is very relevant to analyzing the probability of the latter.

    Replies: @Anon, @Wielgus

    So while Louis’s guilt is indeed irrelevant to the question of his son’s, it is very relevant to analyzing the probability of the latter.

    It is therefore relevant to the question of the son’s guilt.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    Beyond the shadow of a doubt?

  163. @Bill Jones
    This OT piece on Ukraine, sure to be popular among the "Putin couldn't take Keeeev " dipshits, is well worth the read. Follow the links to the Marine Corp guy's analysis too, it apparently is causing head spinning among those in the DoD who get their info on Putin's Secret Goals from the same place as Steve.

    https://foundingquestions.wordpress.com/2022/08/29/marinus-article-analysis-guest-post-by-pickle-rick/


    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/a-former-us-marine-corps-officers.html?m=1

    https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/07/destroying-mother-of-all-proxy-armies.html

    Not much of this would be news to those following The Duran and the Military Summary guy.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad

    Bill, thanks for the link to the Marine Corps Gazette article. That–unlike most b.s.ing on Putin’s War was actually worth reading.

    That said, while that Marine’s explanation was interesting, I don’t think anyone outside of Putin’s circle and the Russian command really has much of handle on what is really going on. The issues the Russians had/have and what exactly Putin’s political goals were/are and his endgame–how much does he want to grab and at what price?

    I know I don’t know any of this. But despite all sorts of claims of understanding and “what’s really going on” yapping, I don’t think very many people know much of anything either.

    But again, thanks for the Marine Corps Gazette piece–actually worth reading.

  164. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    because attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.
     
    It soldiers of any race break and run the entire line is endangered.

    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Johann Ricke

    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?

    Precisely that their bugout ratio was disproportionately high relative to any other demographic. The sociopathy that translates to excessive criminality also means they don’t really give a damn about orders from above or the man next to them, let alone the course of the war.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Johann Ricke

    On the internet there are a fairly large number of blacks attempting holdups (because convenience stores, etc. all have video cameras nowadays). Quite often there is more than one yoof involved. If Yoof #1 is shot at by the shopkeeper, Yoof #2 takes off instantly at Usain Bolt-like speed.

  165. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    So while Louis’s guilt is indeed irrelevant to the question of his son’s, it is very relevant to analyzing the probability of the latter.
     
    It is therefore relevant to the question of the son’s guilt.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Beyond the shadow of a doubt?

  166. @JR Ewing
    @JimDandy


    Emmett Till got a bit more than he deserved. He deserved a beating.

     

    My understand has always been that a good beating to scare him and teach him a lesson was all the Bryants ever intended, but that during the administration of said beating things got out of hand and they ended up killing him.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Corvinus

    Interesting. Do you remember where you read that?

  167. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    We talked about Afghanistan being once again used as a base for terror operations against the United States, but now Iran’s Western neighbor will be too. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
     
    Why ever would Muslims want to take up arms against the United States?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Why ever would Muslims want to take up arms against the United States?

    Ask the Ambassador.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    Got a source for that?

  168. @Fungus Among Us
    @Jack D


    Sullivan County PA is 96% white...one of the things that struck me was how much unguarded property there was – people left out boats and bikes,
     
    Thanks for posting. This explains the sudden spike in bus ticket sales from North Philly to Sullivan County

    Replies: @Jack D

    I don’t think kayaks and Sunfish and canoes are really hot sellers in North Philly. Hard to bring back on the bus.

  169. @Johann Ricke
    @Anonymous


    What was particularly disastrous about blacks?
     
    Precisely that their bugout ratio was disproportionately high relative to any other demographic. The sociopathy that translates to excessive criminality also means they don't really give a damn about orders from above or the man next to them, let alone the course of the war.

    Replies: @Jack D

    On the internet there are a fairly large number of blacks attempting holdups (because convenience stores, etc. all have video cameras nowadays). Quite often there is more than one yoof involved. If Yoof #1 is shot at by the shopkeeper, Yoof #2 takes off instantly at Usain Bolt-like speed.

  170. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Why ever would Muslims want to take up arms against the United States?
     
    Ask the Ambassador.


    https://slideplayer.com/slide/14001796/86/images/17/In+1786%2C+Thomas+Jefferson%2C+then+the+ambassador+to+France%2C+and+John+Adams%2C+ambassador+to+Britain%2C+met+in+London+with+Sidi+Haji+Abdul+Rahman+Adja%2C+a+visiting+ambassador+from+Tripoli..jpg

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Got a source for that?

  171. @Mike_from_SGV
    @Wade Hampton

    I really like the "ignore commenter" button.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I really like the “ignore commenter” button.

    Me too. And C was first on my list of 2.
    It’s not for nothing that Unz is renowned for having the best commenting system.

    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    @Bill Jones

    Oh, so he’s known to be a weirdo by the Unz commentariat. That explains his replies to me. Thanks for the heads up.

  172. @Art Deco
    @Known Fact

    Characteristic of Alzheimer's patients. You lose your memory from now to then.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Bardon Kaldian

    As a friend of mine used to joke- Where is that German Alzheimer who’s always hiding my stuff?

  173. @fnn
    Two black murderers (father and son) who also both had IQ's of 130+. Dad got a computer science degree at Leavenworth and got a good computer job with an aeronautical company when was he released at age 43. But he quickly threw it all way when he decided to rape a six-year-old girl. Son (b. 1962) killed two men in the NYC subway at age 15 but was only sentenced to five years due to his juvenile status. Despite that, public outcry plus his penchant for escapes and assaults led to him spending virtually all of his life (up to this point) in custody. Considered to be the most dangerous prisoner in the NY State system while being only 5´9", 150 lbs. But he is getting kind of old now.

    Author is famed NYT reporter Fox Butterfield.

    https://www.amazon.com/All-Gods-Children-American-Tradition/dp/0380728621

    Replies: @fnn, @Curle

    By ‘famed’ you mean much maligned and ridiculed, right?

    Fox really cant let go of his favorite fables can he? Explaining their violence he describes the family as being “driven by circumstances, racism, and a distinctly American craving for respect by any means necessary.” More American than African?

  174. @John Johnson
    @michael droy

    I don't see why Black troops would be prosecuted when FDR and Churchill agreed to look the other way on rape by the Russians.

    US troops were actually ordered to stand down.

    Same thing happened in Afghanistan. They were supposed to look the other way if they found a local chief with a boy.

    Replies: @Curle

    “I don’t see why Black troops would be prosecuted when FDR and Churchill agreed to look the other way on rape by the Russians.”

    The Russians weren’t under American control.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Curle

    Solzhenitsyn's poem records the awful revenges perpetrated by Soviet troops on the women and children of East Prussia.

    They'd been propagandized to consider all Germans a despicable enemy. And to be fair millions had been killed by the German Army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Nights

  175. @Elli
    Black soldiers who raped were probably more likely to be convicted than white soldiers who raped, and to be punished more harshly.

    Perhaps they were refused more often by women and resorted to rape more often.

    Perhaps they were more likely to rape.

    None of this speaks to Louis Till being framed.

    Replies: @Curle

    “Black soldiers who raped were probably more likely to be convicted than white soldiers who raped, and to be punished more harshly.”

    Are you referring to military tribunals? Aside from perhaps being more habitual criminals why would the Army care to distinguish the two in terms of punishment?

  176. Private Louis Till was convicted of raping two Italian women, Benni Lucrezia and Frieda Mari, and of killing a third, Anna Nanchi[Zanchi].

    let’s not throw a wide net over black criminality oops too late:

    https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/W/bo14166482.html

  177. @I, Libertine
    @Corvinus

    I’m not sure what your issue is.

    I didn’t write that the majority of white American troops were bottom of the barrel in WWII, and neither did Steve. It is true, however, that the military, particularly the Army, is less choosy about who it takes in during wartime [see: MacNamara’s morons].That’s not quite the same contention that you accuse me of falling for,is it?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    I addressed Mr, Sailor’s claim with a source.

    The next question I asked was a follow up, because it is a logical extension of the point he was making. He has a track record of saying things without saying things, aka an inference to lead his readers to a desired narrative.

    So, were the majority of white American soldiers in WW2 the “bottom of the barrel”? What proof do you have to support that contention?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  178. @JR Ewing
    @JimDandy


    Emmett Till got a bit more than he deserved. He deserved a beating.

     

    My understand has always been that a good beating to scare him and teach him a lesson was all the Bryants ever intended, but that during the administration of said beating things got out of hand and they ended up killing him.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Corvinus

    Should they even laid a hand on him in the first place?

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Corvinus

    "Should they even laid a hand on him in the first place?"

    Yup, they sure should've. And whether you think he deserved what he got or just a beating (my vote is for the former), after he caught some justice, this black boy's days of assaulting White women were OVER.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  179. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    attempts at using them in combat during WWI had proven to be disastrous – if you assign blacks to hold a certain part of a line and they break and run then the entire line is endangered.
     
    Disastrous in Korea as well. Although there has been a concerted effort to clean up the history books in the subsequent decades. I wouldn't be surprised if a big part of the Army's celebrated integration effort was really a recognition that all-black units were not reliable in combat.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    This is also why the remnants of official segregation in the US armed forces ended. There were unfortunate experiences when mainly or all-Black units were hit by North Korean or Chinese attacks.

  180. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ian Smith


    ...I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote.
     
    It's too often said that it's unimaginable that a black teen would dare speak out like that in 1950s Mississippi. This is a quite valid point-- for about 90, 95, 99, whatever % of the black population. Those who say Emmitt was guilty are saying he was in the remnant.

    What are the odds that any given black male is? You can bet that they'd be much higher for the son of a homicidal rapist than for a boy chosen at random. (On top of this, Emmitt grew up without a father, far less common at the time.)

    So while Louis's guilt is indeed irrelevant to the question of his son's, it is very relevant to analyzing the probability of the latter.

    Replies: @Anon, @Wielgus

    I wonder if the crackers who killed Emmett Till understood concepts like statistical odds and acted with them in mind. Somehow I doubt it.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Wielgus


    I wonder if the crackers who killed Emmett Till understood concepts like statistical odds and acted with them in mind. Somehow I doubt it.
     
    They understood a lot more than you--and they weren't "crackers", you self-hating wet noodle. They were White men, righteous ones, and it's sad that they were put in that position by a predatory feral. But they did what needed doing.

    You sound like a half-man cuck. If your boyfriend was sexually assaulted by Till, what would you do? The word "fluffer" comes to mind.

    So just go get your monkeypox vaccine, drink your strawberry daiquiri, and don't besmirch the memory of two good men put in a bad position.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldlan

  181. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “I don’t see why Black troops would be prosecuted when FDR and Churchill agreed to look the other way on rape by the Russians.”

    The Russians weren’t under American control.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Solzhenitsyn’s poem records the awful revenges perpetrated by Soviet troops on the women and children of East Prussia.

    They’d been propagandized to consider all Germans a despicable enemy. And to be fair millions had been killed by the German Army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Nights

  182. @Hibernian
    @Wielgus


    ...did not need to resort to drafting the very old and the very young into anything like the Volkssturm.
     
    You only do that when you're fighting on your own territory or nearby.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    True, but my general point is the Americans were under less pressure to scrape the bottom of the barrel than many other participants in WW2.

  183. @Ralph L
    @MEH 0910

    Jamila became an activist lawyer for criminals.
    Wiki: In September 2018, Wideman was hired by the NBA as Vice President of Player Development.
    Perfect fit
    She hasn't killed anyone--that we know of.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    She’s more her Jewish mother than her black father.

  184. @Anymike
    @Chebyshev

    About half of the victims were guilty of capital crimes. Many of the others were guilty of major crimes.

    I have met one person in my life who was present a lynching. The victims were white. This was the St. James Park incident in 1933. The person who was there was a friend's father. I of course did not talk to him about it. My friend told me the story. But I did meet him.

    The lynching victims had murdered the adult son of a prominent local physician in a bungled kidnapping plot.

    This type of scenario probably was the most common one in the entire history of vigilante capital justice in the United States. There even were some cases where blacks lynched white perpetrators. The local whites did not get too upset about it because they knew the lynching victim was a depraved criminal. In at least one case of a white man having been lynched by blacks, the local coroner ruled it a justifiable homicide.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Clayton Cramer (and Wikipedia isn’t awful) is a historian among other things and a while ago he went through old news reports on lynchings. As you relate, there’s a significant variety in them that doesn’t fit the trope our ruling trash pushes today. One that I remember was after a couple or so young criminal blacks murdered an old black man in his house. The resulting lynch mob was biracial, which if you know the South was not outlandish.

  185. Clearly I shall have to mention Louis and Emmett again in my upcoming tour-de-force on lynching porn. Gotta keep this ball in play.

  186. @MEH 0910
    @ic1000

    2019:
    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2019/01/02/released-arizona-killer-jacob-wideman-appeals-reimprisonment/2422528002/
    https://twitter.com/michaelbkiefer/status/1080536376016162816

    Replies: @ic1000

    My favorite part of Arizona Republic reporter Michael Kiefer’s journalistic wordsmithery is italicized in this excerpt:

    Jacob Wideman, now 48, is the son of the novelist John Edgar Wideman, an emeritus professor at Brown University, a former MacArthur fellow, two-time winner of the PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction, and a recipient of an American Book Award.

    Among the senior Wideman’s books is a 1985 memoir, Brothers and Keepers, which describes how Wideman pulled himself out of a Pittsburgh ghetto to become an Ivy League basketball star and a Rhodes Scholar, while his brother succumbed to the streets and was beaten down by the establishment until he landed in prison with a life sentence for murder.

    That’s such a precious description of Felony Murder, much more resonant than Robby’s own description of his deed (See comment #66, above).

    On that topic of the establishment, somebody once quipped, “What America needs to do is treat blacks as human being with free will who, when they make good choices enjoy the benefits and when they make bad choices experience the consequences. Instead, The Establishment views blacks as our Sacred Cows, above criticism, but beneath agency.”

    Who said that? Be brave, Mr. Kiefer, and click the link.

  187. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - I'm not sure if Americans, still with bearable prices over there and with plenty of their own gas, realise how much crap Europeans are in thanks to their governments insane decisions to stop all Russian oil imports and a large volume of their gas imports.

    In the UK, electricity prices jumped in April, and are due to double in October - and UK electricity is still cheaper than in Europe. Gas prices are through the roof, factories making vital stuff like ammonia, fertilisers are closing, and everyone is dreading winter.

    I spoke to a guy at the weekend who's going to be powering his plant from big diesel generators because it's actually cheaper than connecting to the mains supply.

    There's going to be big industrial trouble. A lot of people will strike as inflation, currently 12% in the UK, impoverishes them.

    The much-talked-of independent "EU Foreign Policy" has been a pathetic following of whatever the State Department tell them. De Gaulle is spinning faster than most French generator turbines.

    Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism:

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/will-europe-go-down-to-defeat-before-ukraine.html

    We will be so bold as to posit that not only has the sanctions war against Russia backfired spectacularly, but the damage to the West, most of all Europe, is accelerating rapidly. And this is not the result of Russia taking active measures but the costs of the loss or reduction of key Russian resources compounding over time.

    So due to the intensity of the energy shock, the economic timetable is moving faster than the military. Unless Europe engages in a major course correction, and we don’t see how this can happen, the European economic crisis looks set to become devastating before Ukraine is formally defeated.

    It was Europe that vowed it would be off Russian energy by winter, while not mentioning that that depended on completely filling up all gas storage and not cutting themselves off until sometime in the fall. That is already “customer from hell” behavior: “We’ll default on our agreement in the way most convenient for us and brag about it too.”

    Recall also that some of the loss of EU supply was due to Ukraine cutting off transport through one line going through Lugansk (weeks after the separatists took territory near a key junction, thus showing that the Ukraine claim that the separatists might do something bad were trumped up. Why not wait until an incident to deprive Europe of needed gas? But no one, not even a European columnist, chided the sainted Ukrainians for taking an action detrimental to Europe.

    Supply to Europe also fell due to Poland and Bulgaria refusing to pay for gas in the contracted currency at Gazprom bank.

    Recall also that Germany stole the assets of Gazprom Germania, yet Russia retaliated narrowly, by sanctioning the entities involved in the heist (I have yet to see any discussion of that impact….is the Western press not willing to admit to any?)

    As to the uproar over the reduction of shipments on Nord Stream 1, Putin offered repeatedly to let the EU use Nord Stream 2. So Russia cannot be accused of denying Europe supply. This is about putting institutional and personal egos ahead of serving the public good.
     

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Bill Jones

    What’s quite remarkable is how many of the European Elites (is there a stylistic standard for sardonic word usage? Perhaps someone could design/typeset a reversed Italic font and we could establish that.) believe that the Anti-Russian sanctions can be removed and things would go back to normal. Putin’s drive to demilitarize the Ukraine has had the happy side effect of at least partially demilitarizing NATO and rebuilding the materiel that’s been destroyed won’t be done on Unicorn farts. Putin will not be repowering an agreement incapable West.
    There is no way back. Putin’s attempts to use NSII to ship gas has shown that Russia has been the reliable partner and about half the world’s governments have shifted positions and accept this. Just 4 months ago 150 world governments condemned Russia’s move on Ukraine, last week the Ukes just about scraped together 50.
    Russia has gained India but crushingly lost the Finnish Part Girl and her shitty assed people.

    https://www.daily-sun.com/post/640727/Finnish-firm-warns-of-toilet-paper-shortage

    and the Poles are queuing for 3 days to get to get coal for the winter.

    https://whtc.com/2022/08/27/in-poland-where-coal-is-king-homeowners-queue-for-days-to-buy-fuel/

    Putin will be begging for forgiveness any day now.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Bill Jones

    On Twitter, David P. Goldman (Spengler) writes (8:44 AM · Aug 29, 2022):

    "Capital Economics estimates that Russia can sell 1/5 of its pre-war volume of hydrocarbon exports and make the same money. The Russia sanctions have to rank as the biggest own goal in living memory."

    , @Jack D
    @Bill Jones

    Yeah, you sound totally unbiased and not like pro-Russia troll at all. You forgot to mention that not only was Putin going to demilitarize Ukraine but also denazify it.

    There is no doubt that weaning Europe from Russian energy is going to have a short term cost. Wars are painful but sometimes the pain is justified. WWII destroyed the British economy almost as much as it destroyed the German - the Brits had rationing for years after the war was over. But most Brits will tell you that this pain was worth it to rid the world of Hitler and the current pain is going to be worth it to rid the world of Putin and Putinism.

    Wars are also contests of strength and endurance. Each side tries to inflict pain on the other and it becomes a contest to see who can endure the pain for the longest. Germany lost WWI without a shot being fired on their territory because they could no longer take the pain.

    Of course Russian propaganda is "that didn't hurt a bit" in order to show that the suffering in the West is completely for naught but that's obviously not true. Being cut off from the West is going to have long term disastrous consequences for Russia. Their "friends" the Chinese have not helped at all because China is not going to endanger its Western markets in order to help Putin. Putin is now buying drones from the Iranians - Iranians are not exactly the first name that comes to mind when you say "high tech" so the fact that Putin has now turned to them shows how deep the desperation must be behind the scenes. The face that Russia presents to the world and what is really going on inside the Kremlin are two completely different things. The Russians have always been masters of presenting a false face to the world.

    The Russians may have oil but we have chips - in the modern world chips are more important than oil and the Russians let their chip industry (always behind the West - the basis for the Soviet chip industry was the blatant copying of Western designs which could not even begin until the Western chips hit the market so they were always a generation or two behind) completely wither so they can't even make a washing machine anymore let alone tanks without imported chips.

    Let's see who blinks first - I don't think it is going to be the West. The West was determined to wean itself from fossil fuels anyway because of global warming (whether or not global warming is real) and this war has just sped up the process a bit. Energy was the only competitive product that Russia really had to sell - without it, the Russian economy is a hopeless basket case in the long run. No one is going to buy Russian cars or Russian planes or Russian arms (which have performed terribly in this war), especially since the Russians can't even make this stuff without imported chips in the 1st place.

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bill Jones

    It's a tragedy and a huge own-goal for the US and Europe that Russia, which has always looked to Europe since at least Peter The Great, is giving up and turning East.

    If you have one rising global power and two declining ones, it makes little sense for the most powerful declining nation to drive the weaker declining nation and the rising one together.

    "what’s quite remarkable is how many of the European Elites believe that the Anti-Russian sanctions can be removed and things would go back to normal"

    Agreed. Even, which I don't think for a moment will happen, were the EU to eat crow, how can you trust them any more - and I put the UK at the top of that list.

    Blok's poem The Scythians is still relevant


    Come join us, then! Leave war and war's alarms,
    And grasp the hand of peace and amity.
    While still there's time, Comrades, lay down your arms!
    Let us unite in true fraternity!

    But if you spurn us, then we shall not mourn.
    We too can reckon perfidy no crime,
    And countless generations yet unborn
    Shall curse your memory till the end of time.

    We shall abandon Europe and her charm.
    We shall resort to Scythian craft and guile.
    Swift to the woods and forests we shall swarm,
    And then look back, and smile our slit-eyed smile.
     
  188. @Fungus Among Us
    @John Henry


    They partied all night in the latrine
     
    No shit!?

    Replies: @John Henry

    Ha ha.

    It was the only large common area on the floor. They couldn’t much get away with this in the bunk areas and hallways.

  189. @J.Ross
    Joe Biden will be the president who gave our nation two (2) Vietnam-style embassy evacuations.

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    Iraq, Ukraine or Germany?

  190. @Bill Jones
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What's quite remarkable is how many of the European Elites (is there a stylistic standard for sardonic word usage? Perhaps someone could design/typeset a reversed Italic font and we could establish that.) believe that the Anti-Russian sanctions can be removed and things would go back to normal. Putin's drive to demilitarize the Ukraine has had the happy side effect of at least partially demilitarizing NATO and rebuilding the materiel that's been destroyed won't be done on Unicorn farts. Putin will not be repowering an agreement incapable West.
    There is no way back. Putin's attempts to use NSII to ship gas has shown that Russia has been the reliable partner and about half the world's governments have shifted positions and accept this. Just 4 months ago 150 world governments condemned Russia's move on Ukraine, last week the Ukes just about scraped together 50.
    Russia has gained India but crushingly lost the Finnish Part Girl and her shitty assed people.

    https://www.daily-sun.com/post/640727/Finnish-firm-warns-of-toilet-paper-shortage

    and the Poles are queuing for 3 days to get to get coal for the winter.

    https://whtc.com/2022/08/27/in-poland-where-coal-is-king-homeowners-queue-for-days-to-buy-fuel/

    Putin will be begging for forgiveness any day now.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon

    On Twitter, David P. Goldman (Spengler) writes (8:44 AM · Aug 29, 2022):

    “Capital Economics estimates that Russia can sell 1/5 of its pre-war volume of hydrocarbon exports and make the same money. The Russia sanctions have to rank as the biggest own goal in living memory.”

  191. @Bill Jones
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What's quite remarkable is how many of the European Elites (is there a stylistic standard for sardonic word usage? Perhaps someone could design/typeset a reversed Italic font and we could establish that.) believe that the Anti-Russian sanctions can be removed and things would go back to normal. Putin's drive to demilitarize the Ukraine has had the happy side effect of at least partially demilitarizing NATO and rebuilding the materiel that's been destroyed won't be done on Unicorn farts. Putin will not be repowering an agreement incapable West.
    There is no way back. Putin's attempts to use NSII to ship gas has shown that Russia has been the reliable partner and about half the world's governments have shifted positions and accept this. Just 4 months ago 150 world governments condemned Russia's move on Ukraine, last week the Ukes just about scraped together 50.
    Russia has gained India but crushingly lost the Finnish Part Girl and her shitty assed people.

    https://www.daily-sun.com/post/640727/Finnish-firm-warns-of-toilet-paper-shortage

    and the Poles are queuing for 3 days to get to get coal for the winter.

    https://whtc.com/2022/08/27/in-poland-where-coal-is-king-homeowners-queue-for-days-to-buy-fuel/

    Putin will be begging for forgiveness any day now.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon

    Yeah, you sound totally unbiased and not like pro-Russia troll at all. You forgot to mention that not only was Putin going to demilitarize Ukraine but also denazify it.

    There is no doubt that weaning Europe from Russian energy is going to have a short term cost. Wars are painful but sometimes the pain is justified. WWII destroyed the British economy almost as much as it destroyed the German – the Brits had rationing for years after the war was over. But most Brits will tell you that this pain was worth it to rid the world of Hitler and the current pain is going to be worth it to rid the world of Putin and Putinism.

    Wars are also contests of strength and endurance. Each side tries to inflict pain on the other and it becomes a contest to see who can endure the pain for the longest. Germany lost WWI without a shot being fired on their territory because they could no longer take the pain.

    Of course Russian propaganda is “that didn’t hurt a bit” in order to show that the suffering in the West is completely for naught but that’s obviously not true. Being cut off from the West is going to have long term disastrous consequences for Russia. Their “friends” the Chinese have not helped at all because China is not going to endanger its Western markets in order to help Putin. Putin is now buying drones from the Iranians – Iranians are not exactly the first name that comes to mind when you say “high tech” so the fact that Putin has now turned to them shows how deep the desperation must be behind the scenes. The face that Russia presents to the world and what is really going on inside the Kremlin are two completely different things. The Russians have always been masters of presenting a false face to the world.

    The Russians may have oil but we have chips – in the modern world chips are more important than oil and the Russians let their chip industry (always behind the West – the basis for the Soviet chip industry was the blatant copying of Western designs which could not even begin until the Western chips hit the market so they were always a generation or two behind) completely wither so they can’t even make a washing machine anymore let alone tanks without imported chips.

    Let’s see who blinks first – I don’t think it is going to be the West. The West was determined to wean itself from fossil fuels anyway because of global warming (whether or not global warming is real) and this war has just sped up the process a bit. Energy was the only competitive product that Russia really had to sell – without it, the Russian economy is a hopeless basket case in the long run. No one is going to buy Russian cars or Russian planes or Russian arms (which have performed terribly in this war), especially since the Russians can’t even make this stuff without imported chips in the 1st place.

    • Disagree: ic1000
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jack D

    Jack... I concur with most of your commentary and appreciate your perspectives in most of the rest. I even agree with many of the specifics of the long comment I'm replying to.

    However.

    This "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916... 1917... 1918... but not 1919.

    Like John Mearshimer, you're American. As he's pointed out for the last 8 years, our Washington DC Dept. of State and Deep State wizards have been risking disaster, not for us, but for our European allies. (To say nothing of the Ukrainians themselves.) Now it's happening.

    The first images of gas and electric bills are trickling onto Twitter from Ireland, Germany, etc., and they aren't pretty. 5x jumps. If the wholesale markets are a guide, they'll be 10x within a few months. By the winter, it'll be rationing and not-at-any-price.

    This isn't short term cost or painful or who-blinks-first. It's plummeting living standards, businesses going bankrupt, seniors freezing in their flats, economies flatlining. Yeltsin's Russia. Weimar.

    Dreher today, too long as always. See his excerpt of Hungary P.M Viktor Orban's speech of July 23rd.

    This mix of "Let's play Risk!" and "Let's you and him fight" is not good policy.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

  192. I do not believe the Emmett Till “story” in any way, shape, or form. It is as fake as the Tulsa “Massacre” of 1921, you know, when the White males were so jealous of “black Wall Street” that they went on a burning, looting, and killing spree. WE know it’s a joke – problem is, there are plenty of insecure blacks, both young and old, who are more than happy to suck up these demented fairy tales.
    As for the atrocities that took place during WW2, dozens of women, young and old, were raped in France, many of them gang-raped. In some cases the perpetrators were White, but these were mostly committed by black soldiers. They did make prostitution available to the soldiers, but that wasn’t free, you know. In many cases, black soldiers raped French prostitutes and stole whatever money they could find on them and in their possessions. The French women really grew to dread the sight of black American soldiers and resented they were made to feel racist if they did not want patronage of black soldiers.
    Now, what happened in Occupied Japan was FAR WORSE than what happened in Europe. General MacArthur did the best he could in order to contain the situation. The first 11 days of occupation saw a reported 1,330 cases of rape. So they set up “comfort women stations” – prostitution essentially, however, to no real avail, because as was the case in France, many “comfort women” were raped and robbed by black soldiers, many gang-raped, as well. Many young women were raped in front of their own fathers. The blacks also went on looting sprees in those first 10 days, because they were dumped off in a village that had only women, children, and the elderly, the young men had all been called off for duty.
    Eventually, once it had become determined 1 in 4 servicemen contracted VD, MacArthur put a stop to prostitution and made it clear men would be held accountable. A lot of really horrible things took place in Japan – it was more freedom and lack of supervision than the likes of these young ferals could handle. I wish I could say it was only blacks – however, the large majority was black, especially the stealing, looting, murder in some cases, and their signature gang-raping.
    Well over 75 men ended up being hung for rape – 68 of those men were black.
    uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com, should you be interested in learning more.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Thanks: Non PC Infidel
    • Replies: @The Problem with Midway
    @Dani

    The Japanese local authorities set up whorehouses for the incoming Americans, and staffed them with Korean girls, the same ones the Japanese soldiers had been raping. Understandable, but still contemptible.

  193. @Corvinus
    @I, Libertine

    “Commonly, the “exit interview” I conducted with these incorrigibles included an exchange of this nature:“

    Of course there were “degenerates” who were soldiers in WW2. But Mr. Sailer made an unsubstantiated claim You seem to be falling for his trick—make a statement without evidence to back it up, because he believes it is a truism.

    So were the majority of white American soldiers in WW2 the “bottom of the barrel”? What proof do you have to support that contention?

    Replies: @I, Libertine, @William Badwhite

    Of course there were “degenerates” who were soldiers in WW2.

    Do you have evidence to back this up, or are you just making another baseless assertion? Oh Corvirus, you’re so cagey.

    make a statement without evidence to back it up, because he believes it is a truism.

    I will need to see proof that “he believes it is a truism”. Otherwise I will conclude that you simply FAIL TO NOTICE.

    Then later, Corky says:

    “He has a track record of saying things without saying things, aka an inference to lead his readers to a desired narrative.

    AGAIN with the baseless assertions. A “track record” implies “more than once”. Please provide at least 5 instances backing up your claims.

  194. @Jack D
    @Bill Jones

    Yeah, you sound totally unbiased and not like pro-Russia troll at all. You forgot to mention that not only was Putin going to demilitarize Ukraine but also denazify it.

    There is no doubt that weaning Europe from Russian energy is going to have a short term cost. Wars are painful but sometimes the pain is justified. WWII destroyed the British economy almost as much as it destroyed the German - the Brits had rationing for years after the war was over. But most Brits will tell you that this pain was worth it to rid the world of Hitler and the current pain is going to be worth it to rid the world of Putin and Putinism.

    Wars are also contests of strength and endurance. Each side tries to inflict pain on the other and it becomes a contest to see who can endure the pain for the longest. Germany lost WWI without a shot being fired on their territory because they could no longer take the pain.

    Of course Russian propaganda is "that didn't hurt a bit" in order to show that the suffering in the West is completely for naught but that's obviously not true. Being cut off from the West is going to have long term disastrous consequences for Russia. Their "friends" the Chinese have not helped at all because China is not going to endanger its Western markets in order to help Putin. Putin is now buying drones from the Iranians - Iranians are not exactly the first name that comes to mind when you say "high tech" so the fact that Putin has now turned to them shows how deep the desperation must be behind the scenes. The face that Russia presents to the world and what is really going on inside the Kremlin are two completely different things. The Russians have always been masters of presenting a false face to the world.

    The Russians may have oil but we have chips - in the modern world chips are more important than oil and the Russians let their chip industry (always behind the West - the basis for the Soviet chip industry was the blatant copying of Western designs which could not even begin until the Western chips hit the market so they were always a generation or two behind) completely wither so they can't even make a washing machine anymore let alone tanks without imported chips.

    Let's see who blinks first - I don't think it is going to be the West. The West was determined to wean itself from fossil fuels anyway because of global warming (whether or not global warming is real) and this war has just sped up the process a bit. Energy was the only competitive product that Russia really had to sell - without it, the Russian economy is a hopeless basket case in the long run. No one is going to buy Russian cars or Russian planes or Russian arms (which have performed terribly in this war), especially since the Russians can't even make this stuff without imported chips in the 1st place.

    Replies: @ic1000

    Jack… I concur with most of your commentary and appreciate your perspectives in most of the rest. I even agree with many of the specifics of the long comment I’m replying to.

    However.

    This “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916… 1917… 1918… but not 1919.

    Like John Mearshimer, you’re American. As he’s pointed out for the last 8 years, our Washington DC Dept. of State and Deep State wizards have been risking disaster, not for us, but for our European allies. (To say nothing of the Ukrainians themselves.) Now it’s happening.

    The first images of gas and electric bills are trickling onto Twitter from Ireland, Germany, etc., and they aren’t pretty. 5x jumps. If the wholesale markets are a guide, they’ll be 10x within a few months. By the winter, it’ll be rationing and not-at-any-price.

    This isn’t short term cost or painful or who-blinks-first. It’s plummeting living standards, businesses going bankrupt, seniors freezing in their flats, economies flatlining. Yeltsin’s Russia. Weimar.

    Dreher today, too long as always. See his excerpt of Hungary P.M Viktor Orban’s speech of July 23rd.

    This mix of “Let’s play Risk!” and “Let’s you and him fight” is not good policy.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ic1000


    This “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916… 1917… 1918… but not 1919.
     
    As I said before, war is in part a "who blinks first" game. If I was saying "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" then wasn't "Bill Jones" (and aren't you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective? We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam) - come back in a year or 2 or 3 and we'll see who outlasts who.

    It's inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x. Politically that is not viable - their governments would take action to subsidize energy costs before that. Extrapolating trends in a straight line rarely works - in the US gasoline prices have been falling. It's easy declare that the sky is falling and that the Germans will be standing in bread lines this winter, but call me when that ACTUALLY happens. Of course you can't just ignore the situation and hope for the best, but I really don't see these worst case scenarios actually happening. The German government is rich and resourceful and they are not just going to stand by helplessly while their economy goes down the toilet.

    Nor, are they, contrary to the hopes of the Putinists, ever going to go to Putin and beg for forgiveness in order to rescue their economy - that's just not gonna happen. Those bridges have now been burned, even if the Germans have to burn their furniture for heating. Maybe if there wasn't the whole "green" aspect to this, they might reconsider but once you add "greenness" on top of Ukraine, they are never going back to Russian fossil fuels - it's only a question of how rapidly they can make the transition.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @The Problem with Midway, @ic1000, @Paul Mendez

    , @John Johnson
    @ic1000

    Jack D is correct. Putin doesn't realize how dependent they are on Western tech.

    The best move Ukraine can make is hold out until the factories start breaking down. They can't order replacement parts.

    Have a look at Russian imports:
    https://www.worldstopexports.com/russias-top-10-imports

    #1 is machinery including computers.

    Putin is acting like it is 1980 and they can just source everything locally. Like other European countries their productivity gains since the 90s are heavily dependent on tech.

    Modern factories run on very specific machines. You can't just call up Xi and get parts when it breaks.

    There are already reports of them building cars without airbags. You can't just take the clock back to 1980 and expect your industries to figure it out. It doesn't work that way and shows that Putin doesn't understand modern economics. The productivity losses will eventually bubble up into everything else and his currency games can't save them.

    Even if a few European countries break and start buying oil it won't matter. It's not a matter of money. US and German companies are not selling them parts at any price.

    Watch as Russian planes are grounded because they can't fix them. We have already seen this affect the war economy where they found crashed planes with GPS units duct taped to the dash.

    Putin attempted a 1930s style invasion under a 1980s economic mentality.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  195. Fake historian Alice Kaplan, one of the gang of 88, who supported the Duke Rape Hoax, turned Louis Till into a “victim” of racism. She was mad that any black GI rapists or murderers was punished during WWII, while seeking to have innocent Whites railroaded for rapes that never happened, which would have been, in effect, a death penalty.

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2016/01/fraudulent-tenured-historian-emmett.html

  196. @MEH 0910
    @ic1000

    https://pittsburghquarterly.com/articles/brothers-keepers/


    Brothers & Keepers?
    Thoughts on my client Robert Wideman and his brother John Edgar Wideman
    by MARK SCHWARTZ
    2021 FALL

    October 25, 2021
    Editor’s note: Between 1984 and 2019, attorney Mark Schwartz represented convicted felon Robert Wideman, ultimately securing a commutation of his sentence in 2019. This is his account of what transpired in the 35 years he dealt with Wideman and his famous older brother, the author of “Brothers and Keepers.”
     

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://pittsburghquarterly.com/articles/brothers-keepers/

    With my turning 65, my wife and I decided on a change of venue for six weeks. In the winter of 2018–2019, we rented a place in Stowe, Vt. and drove up with a station wagon full of Wideman documents. Afternoons were dedicated to my writing a Pardon Board “Application for Reconsideration.”

    There was something serendipitous about sitting down that first afternoon for what would be more than a month of drafting. I got a telephone call:

    “Mark… With this new guy [John] Fetterman being elected in November and now sworn in as lieutenant governor, we’ve got a real shot.”
    I didn’t recognize the caller. “May I ask who this is?”
    “Jeff Manning.”

    I didn’t feel that Judge Manning and I were on a first-name basis. But he was correct. For Wolf’s second term, his lieutenant governor would be the upstart former mayor of Braddock, the depressed steel town just outside Pittsburgh. You’d never know from the goatee, black T-shirt, biker look and tattoos that mayor-turned-lieutenant governor John Fetterman was Harvard-educated.


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  197. @ic1000
    @Jack D

    Jack... I concur with most of your commentary and appreciate your perspectives in most of the rest. I even agree with many of the specifics of the long comment I'm replying to.

    However.

    This "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916... 1917... 1918... but not 1919.

    Like John Mearshimer, you're American. As he's pointed out for the last 8 years, our Washington DC Dept. of State and Deep State wizards have been risking disaster, not for us, but for our European allies. (To say nothing of the Ukrainians themselves.) Now it's happening.

    The first images of gas and electric bills are trickling onto Twitter from Ireland, Germany, etc., and they aren't pretty. 5x jumps. If the wholesale markets are a guide, they'll be 10x within a few months. By the winter, it'll be rationing and not-at-any-price.

    This isn't short term cost or painful or who-blinks-first. It's plummeting living standards, businesses going bankrupt, seniors freezing in their flats, economies flatlining. Yeltsin's Russia. Weimar.

    Dreher today, too long as always. See his excerpt of Hungary P.M Viktor Orban's speech of July 23rd.

    This mix of "Let's play Risk!" and "Let's you and him fight" is not good policy.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

    This “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916… 1917… 1918… but not 1919.

    As I said before, war is in part a “who blinks first” game. If I was saying “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” then wasn’t “Bill Jones” (and aren’t you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective? We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam) – come back in a year or 2 or 3 and we’ll see who outlasts who.

    It’s inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x. Politically that is not viable – their governments would take action to subsidize energy costs before that. Extrapolating trends in a straight line rarely works – in the US gasoline prices have been falling. It’s easy declare that the sky is falling and that the Germans will be standing in bread lines this winter, but call me when that ACTUALLY happens. Of course you can’t just ignore the situation and hope for the best, but I really don’t see these worst case scenarios actually happening. The German government is rich and resourceful and they are not just going to stand by helplessly while their economy goes down the toilet.

    Nor, are they, contrary to the hopes of the Putinists, ever going to go to Putin and beg for forgiveness in order to rescue their economy – that’s just not gonna happen. Those bridges have now been burned, even if the Germans have to burn their furniture for heating. Maybe if there wasn’t the whole “green” aspect to this, they might reconsider but once you add “greenness” on top of Ukraine, they are never going back to Russian fossil fuels – it’s only a question of how rapidly they can make the transition.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    It’s inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x.
     
    Markets work. Not today, but definitely within months or years. 10x energy prices will lure new investments from energy producers. They're not figuring on peak prices, but even 25% price increases should result in them recovering their cost of capital and then some.
    , @The Problem with Midway
    @Jack D

    You can't subsidize the cost of fuel you don't have.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @AnotherDad

    , @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > If I was saying “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” then wasn’t “Bill Jones” (and aren’t you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective?

    No. I'm not Russian or pro-Russian. Nor is John Mearshiemer, read one of his essays for his informed pro-American view of the situation.

    > We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam)

    The war is a disaster for Ukraine. Its economy, its people, its future demographics. This would be true if it ended tomorrow (it won't).

    > It’s inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x.

    You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

    https://twitter.com/DoombergT/status/1564302557618618375

    We live (everybody lives) in the physical world. LNG plants, power plants, pipelines, high-voltage lines -- etc. -- take years to design and build. In the meantime...

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Paul Mendez
    @Jack D


    We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam)
     
    No, the SMO has not run out of steam.

    It’s a war of attrition right now. The Russians are patiently, methodically and ruthlessly roto-tilling the Ukrainian army into the steppes of the Donbas.
  198. @Jack D
    @ic1000


    This “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916… 1917… 1918… but not 1919.
     
    As I said before, war is in part a "who blinks first" game. If I was saying "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" then wasn't "Bill Jones" (and aren't you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective? We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam) - come back in a year or 2 or 3 and we'll see who outlasts who.

    It's inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x. Politically that is not viable - their governments would take action to subsidize energy costs before that. Extrapolating trends in a straight line rarely works - in the US gasoline prices have been falling. It's easy declare that the sky is falling and that the Germans will be standing in bread lines this winter, but call me when that ACTUALLY happens. Of course you can't just ignore the situation and hope for the best, but I really don't see these worst case scenarios actually happening. The German government is rich and resourceful and they are not just going to stand by helplessly while their economy goes down the toilet.

    Nor, are they, contrary to the hopes of the Putinists, ever going to go to Putin and beg for forgiveness in order to rescue their economy - that's just not gonna happen. Those bridges have now been burned, even if the Germans have to burn their furniture for heating. Maybe if there wasn't the whole "green" aspect to this, they might reconsider but once you add "greenness" on top of Ukraine, they are never going back to Russian fossil fuels - it's only a question of how rapidly they can make the transition.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @The Problem with Midway, @ic1000, @Paul Mendez

    It’s inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x.

    Markets work. Not today, but definitely within months or years. 10x energy prices will lure new investments from energy producers. They’re not figuring on peak prices, but even 25% price increases should result in them recovering their cost of capital and then some.

  199. @Ian Smith
    @J.Ross

    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @ThreeCranes

    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.

    Ian, Till did not deserve to be beaten to death. (My take on what I’ve read was that everyone at the time thought some degree of beating was coming/deserved. But no one including the white folks in town thought the killing was deserved. An asshole who needed some sense/proper behavior knocked into him seems to more have been the thought.) Nor is Till responsible for his father’s rape, though that certainly goes a long way toward explaining his assholery.

    But you just clean missed why Steve’s response to Biden was so excellent. It isn’t that Till is necessarily a genetic bad apple. It is it is that Biden–nominally the President of the United States–is blabbing about a–personal score-settling–murder from 67 years ago, using it to beat whitey … today. An anachronism.

    Steve’s countering with Till’s own father–ouch!–raping and murdering 78 years ago, while serving as an American soldier. Which scores so many hits at once it’s positively delicious.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @AnotherDad

    Emmett Till “touched” and fondled a woman without her permission and stated his intentions, wanting a “date”. With blacks, we know where that leads… THAT is assault in my book.
    Carolyn Bryant was so rattled by the assault and attempted rape (Till, being of greater stature and weighing 160 lbs, she thought that Till would rape her).
    The townspeople KNEW that if they got the legal system involved, Till would be set free with little consequences, just because of his age. Yes, the “punishment” may have gone too far, but in that day and age…
    Till’s body was submerged in water. The swamp critters had a “field day”, hence the bloated appearance.
    If Till’s arrogance hadn’t gotten in the way, he would be alive today, (probably in prison for rape and / or murder, but would still be alive).

  200. @Jack D
    @ic1000


    This “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916… 1917… 1918… but not 1919.
     
    As I said before, war is in part a "who blinks first" game. If I was saying "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" then wasn't "Bill Jones" (and aren't you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective? We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam) - come back in a year or 2 or 3 and we'll see who outlasts who.

    It's inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x. Politically that is not viable - their governments would take action to subsidize energy costs before that. Extrapolating trends in a straight line rarely works - in the US gasoline prices have been falling. It's easy declare that the sky is falling and that the Germans will be standing in bread lines this winter, but call me when that ACTUALLY happens. Of course you can't just ignore the situation and hope for the best, but I really don't see these worst case scenarios actually happening. The German government is rich and resourceful and they are not just going to stand by helplessly while their economy goes down the toilet.

    Nor, are they, contrary to the hopes of the Putinists, ever going to go to Putin and beg for forgiveness in order to rescue their economy - that's just not gonna happen. Those bridges have now been burned, even if the Germans have to burn their furniture for heating. Maybe if there wasn't the whole "green" aspect to this, they might reconsider but once you add "greenness" on top of Ukraine, they are never going back to Russian fossil fuels - it's only a question of how rapidly they can make the transition.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @The Problem with Midway, @ic1000, @Paul Mendez

    You can’t subsidize the cost of fuel you don’t have.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Problem with Midway

    The magic of the market is that high prices summon forth supply where none existed before. This can't happen overnight but it can happen quite quickly where there is money to be made. There is no such thing as a single fixed quantity of fuel - the quantity supplied depends on price according to the classic curve. At a high enough price, your furniture is "fuel".

    If energy in Europe costs 10x what it costs in the US or elsewhere in the world there is a HUGE incentive to transport it there or find domestic sources or whatever. Fortune awaits whoever succeeds in doing this. Big fortunes.

    Replies: @The Problem with Midway

    , @Johann Ricke
    @The Problem with Midway


    You can’t subsidize the cost of fuel you don’t have.
     
    The EU will outbid Third World countries. Fuel producers will pay nugatory contractual penalties (compared to 10x spot prices) to Third World countries in order to divert their contracted shipments from the Third World to the EU. This ain't rocket science.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    , @AnotherDad
    @The Problem with Midway


    You can’t subsidize the cost of fuel you don’t have.
     
    Oil is one of the most fungible commodities around. Not 100%--there are different grades and refineries are setup to handle this or that, and of course there are long term contracts. So there is friction, but it is still very fungible.

    A simple model--
    -- Russia was selling to Germany, Saudi Arabia to India
    now
    -- Russia sells to India, Saudi Arabia to Germany

    Basically if Russia continues to produce and have sell its oil on the market, then ... there's not new shortage.

    Ironically it would only be if the Western boycott was actually effective that there would be a big problem. But if Russia can find a buyer ... then the market just has to readjust. Russia maybe gets a little less, the West pays a little more. There is less efficiency since maybe nations are supplying other nations from further away.


    Now natural gas is a much bigger problem because while even more fungible as a commodity the infrastructure to move it around--pipelines or LNG plants--is not snap your fingers replaceable.
  201. @Bill Jones
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What's quite remarkable is how many of the European Elites (is there a stylistic standard for sardonic word usage? Perhaps someone could design/typeset a reversed Italic font and we could establish that.) believe that the Anti-Russian sanctions can be removed and things would go back to normal. Putin's drive to demilitarize the Ukraine has had the happy side effect of at least partially demilitarizing NATO and rebuilding the materiel that's been destroyed won't be done on Unicorn farts. Putin will not be repowering an agreement incapable West.
    There is no way back. Putin's attempts to use NSII to ship gas has shown that Russia has been the reliable partner and about half the world's governments have shifted positions and accept this. Just 4 months ago 150 world governments condemned Russia's move on Ukraine, last week the Ukes just about scraped together 50.
    Russia has gained India but crushingly lost the Finnish Part Girl and her shitty assed people.

    https://www.daily-sun.com/post/640727/Finnish-firm-warns-of-toilet-paper-shortage

    and the Poles are queuing for 3 days to get to get coal for the winter.

    https://whtc.com/2022/08/27/in-poland-where-coal-is-king-homeowners-queue-for-days-to-buy-fuel/

    Putin will be begging for forgiveness any day now.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s a tragedy and a huge own-goal for the US and Europe that Russia, which has always looked to Europe since at least Peter The Great, is giving up and turning East.

    If you have one rising global power and two declining ones, it makes little sense for the most powerful declining nation to drive the weaker declining nation and the rising one together.

    “what’s quite remarkable is how many of the European Elites believe that the Anti-Russian sanctions can be removed and things would go back to normal”

    Agreed. Even, which I don’t think for a moment will happen, were the EU to eat crow, how can you trust them any more – and I put the UK at the top of that list.

    Blok’s poem The Scythians is still relevant

    Come join us, then! Leave war and war’s alarms,
    And grasp the hand of peace and amity.
    While still there’s time, Comrades, lay down your arms!
    Let us unite in true fraternity!

    But if you spurn us, then we shall not mourn.
    We too can reckon perfidy no crime,
    And countless generations yet unborn
    Shall curse your memory till the end of time.

    We shall abandon Europe and her charm.
    We shall resort to Scythian craft and guile.
    Swift to the woods and forests we shall swarm,
    And then look back, and smile our slit-eyed smile.

  202. @The Problem with Midway
    @Jack D

    You can't subsidize the cost of fuel you don't have.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @AnotherDad

    The magic of the market is that high prices summon forth supply where none existed before. This can’t happen overnight but it can happen quite quickly where there is money to be made. There is no such thing as a single fixed quantity of fuel – the quantity supplied depends on price according to the classic curve. At a high enough price, your furniture is “fuel”.

    If energy in Europe costs 10x what it costs in the US or elsewhere in the world there is a HUGE incentive to transport it there or find domestic sources or whatever. Fortune awaits whoever succeeds in doing this. Big fortunes.

    • Replies: @The Problem with Midway
    @Jack D

    Is forcing people to burn their furniture to stay warm politically viable?

    No doubt third parties can buy Russian oil and resell it to Europe, but is it politically viable when everyone knows that a fat chunk of their fuel costs is going to Indian or Brazilian middlemen?

    And there's apparently no substitute for the natural gas the Russians have been sending via pipeline. How much will it cost and how long will it take to switch fuels? You can heat your living room with a coal fire in the middle and everyone sleeping on cots nearby, but you can't run a gas-fired power plant that way.

    Market magic isn't magic.

  203. @Jack D
    @ic1000


    This “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916… 1917… 1918… but not 1919.
     
    As I said before, war is in part a "who blinks first" game. If I was saying "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" then wasn't "Bill Jones" (and aren't you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective? We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam) - come back in a year or 2 or 3 and we'll see who outlasts who.

    It's inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x. Politically that is not viable - their governments would take action to subsidize energy costs before that. Extrapolating trends in a straight line rarely works - in the US gasoline prices have been falling. It's easy declare that the sky is falling and that the Germans will be standing in bread lines this winter, but call me when that ACTUALLY happens. Of course you can't just ignore the situation and hope for the best, but I really don't see these worst case scenarios actually happening. The German government is rich and resourceful and they are not just going to stand by helplessly while their economy goes down the toilet.

    Nor, are they, contrary to the hopes of the Putinists, ever going to go to Putin and beg for forgiveness in order to rescue their economy - that's just not gonna happen. Those bridges have now been burned, even if the Germans have to burn their furniture for heating. Maybe if there wasn't the whole "green" aspect to this, they might reconsider but once you add "greenness" on top of Ukraine, they are never going back to Russian fossil fuels - it's only a question of how rapidly they can make the transition.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @The Problem with Midway, @ic1000, @Paul Mendez

    > If I was saying “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” then wasn’t “Bill Jones” (and aren’t you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective?

    No. I’m not Russian or pro-Russian. Nor is John Mearshiemer, read one of his essays for his informed pro-American view of the situation.

    > We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam)

    The war is a disaster for Ukraine. Its economy, its people, its future demographics. This would be true if it ended tomorrow (it won’t).

    > It’s inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x.

    You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

    We live (everybody lives) in the physical world. LNG plants, power plants, pipelines, high-voltage lines — etc. — take years to design and build. In the meantime…

    • Agree: Paul Mendez
    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ic1000


    I’m not Russian or pro-Russian. Nor is John Mearshiemer , read one of his essays for his informed pro-American view of the situation.
     
    John Mearsheimer is certainly no dummy but he is wrong about Ukraine as he is wrong about many other things. I don't know you well enough, but I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because his analysis contains so many glaring omissions and tends to always shift blame onto America. As long as you are willing to ignore these elephants in the room, his analysis makes sense but I'm not willing to turn a blind eye as he is. Maybe Mearsheimer is not anti-American or pro-Russian but it's a distinction without a difference if his conclusion is that America is always to blame and Putin is without sin. In the old days when Russia was called the USSR, people would have called him a "fellow traveler". Fellow travelers also claimed not to be pro-Soviet - it was just a coincidence that their all American patriotic views happened to exactly parallel those of Moscow. Sorry, not buying.

    Mearsheimer is "pro-American" in the same way as Howard W. Campbell, Jr. was in Slaughterhouse Five:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OixVPcCbcx0

    Saying that you are pro-American doesn't make you pro-American.

    Read this for an understanding of what Mearsheimer is omitting:


    His security equation is missing key variables. The three most important are the security imperatives of Russia’s neighbors, the increasing authoritarianism of the Russian state and the true horror of Russia’s brutal war and occupation. By not adequately weighing these factors, Mearsheimer can explain Putin’s invasion of a peaceful, independent nation as a predictable reaction to Western provocations.

     

    https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-missing-mearsheimers-analysis-ukraine-war

    Replies: @ic1000, @MEH 0910

  204. @Dani
    I do not believe the Emmett Till "story" in any way, shape, or form. It is as fake as the Tulsa "Massacre" of 1921, you know, when the White males were so jealous of "black Wall Street" that they went on a burning, looting, and killing spree. WE know it's a joke - problem is, there are plenty of insecure blacks, both young and old, who are more than happy to suck up these demented fairy tales.
    As for the atrocities that took place during WW2, dozens of women, young and old, were raped in France, many of them gang-raped. In some cases the perpetrators were White, but these were mostly committed by black soldiers. They did make prostitution available to the soldiers, but that wasn't free, you know. In many cases, black soldiers raped French prostitutes and stole whatever money they could find on them and in their possessions. The French women really grew to dread the sight of black American soldiers and resented they were made to feel racist if they did not want patronage of black soldiers.
    Now, what happened in Occupied Japan was FAR WORSE than what happened in Europe. General MacArthur did the best he could in order to contain the situation. The first 11 days of occupation saw a reported 1,330 cases of rape. So they set up "comfort women stations" - prostitution essentially, however, to no real avail, because as was the case in France, many "comfort women" were raped and robbed by black soldiers, many gang-raped, as well. Many young women were raped in front of their own fathers. The blacks also went on looting sprees in those first 10 days, because they were dumped off in a village that had only women, children, and the elderly, the young men had all been called off for duty.
    Eventually, once it had become determined 1 in 4 servicemen contracted VD, MacArthur put a stop to prostitution and made it clear men would be held accountable. A lot of really horrible things took place in Japan - it was more freedom and lack of supervision than the likes of these young ferals could handle. I wish I could say it was only blacks - however, the large majority was black, especially the stealing, looting, murder in some cases, and their signature gang-raping.
    Well over 75 men ended up being hung for rape - 68 of those men were black.
    uncensoredhistory.blogspot.com, should you be interested in learning more.

    Replies: @The Problem with Midway

    The Japanese local authorities set up whorehouses for the incoming Americans, and staffed them with Korean girls, the same ones the Japanese soldiers had been raping. Understandable, but still contemptible.

  205. @Jack D
    @The Problem with Midway

    The magic of the market is that high prices summon forth supply where none existed before. This can't happen overnight but it can happen quite quickly where there is money to be made. There is no such thing as a single fixed quantity of fuel - the quantity supplied depends on price according to the classic curve. At a high enough price, your furniture is "fuel".

    If energy in Europe costs 10x what it costs in the US or elsewhere in the world there is a HUGE incentive to transport it there or find domestic sources or whatever. Fortune awaits whoever succeeds in doing this. Big fortunes.

    Replies: @The Problem with Midway

    Is forcing people to burn their furniture to stay warm politically viable?

    No doubt third parties can buy Russian oil and resell it to Europe, but is it politically viable when everyone knows that a fat chunk of their fuel costs is going to Indian or Brazilian middlemen?

    And there’s apparently no substitute for the natural gas the Russians have been sending via pipeline. How much will it cost and how long will it take to switch fuels? You can heat your living room with a coal fire in the middle and everyone sleeping on cots nearby, but you can’t run a gas-fired power plant that way.

    Market magic isn’t magic.

  206. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, Notting Hill Carnival, London

    https://twitter.com/magsloveslife2/status/1564153912025817088

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I think Steve’s done this story before…

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/aug/30/man-fatally-stabbed-notting-hill-carnival-rapper-bristol-takayo-nembhard

    A “kind-hearted and loving” rapper who was due to become a father was stabbed to death at Notting Hill carnival.

    Takayo Nembhard, known as TKorStretch, was at the event with his sister and friends when he was attacked about 8pm on Monday.

    The Metropolitan police said hundreds of people had been in the immediate vicinity of the crime scene in Ladbroke Grove, west London, as detectives launched a murder investigation.

    Nembhard’s girlfriend, Oshian Edwards, has spoken of her heartbreak as she paid tribute to the 21-year-old from Bristol, with whom she was expecting a baby in November.

    “You was the most kind hearted, loving, funny and caring person,” she wrote in a post on Instagram alongside photos of Nembhard cradling her baby bump.

  207. @The Problem with Midway
    @Jack D

    You can't subsidize the cost of fuel you don't have.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @AnotherDad

    You can’t subsidize the cost of fuel you don’t have.

    The EU will outbid Third World countries. Fuel producers will pay nugatory contractual penalties (compared to 10x spot prices) to Third World countries in order to divert their contracted shipments from the Third World to the EU. This ain’t rocket science.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Johann Ricke

    Which Third World nations will the EU outbid, and how much energy do they consume compared to Europe? Being serious, not snarky.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

  208. @Jack D
    @ic1000


    This “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916… 1917… 1918… but not 1919.
     
    As I said before, war is in part a "who blinks first" game. If I was saying "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" then wasn't "Bill Jones" (and aren't you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective? We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam) - come back in a year or 2 or 3 and we'll see who outlasts who.

    It's inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x. Politically that is not viable - their governments would take action to subsidize energy costs before that. Extrapolating trends in a straight line rarely works - in the US gasoline prices have been falling. It's easy declare that the sky is falling and that the Germans will be standing in bread lines this winter, but call me when that ACTUALLY happens. Of course you can't just ignore the situation and hope for the best, but I really don't see these worst case scenarios actually happening. The German government is rich and resourceful and they are not just going to stand by helplessly while their economy goes down the toilet.

    Nor, are they, contrary to the hopes of the Putinists, ever going to go to Putin and beg for forgiveness in order to rescue their economy - that's just not gonna happen. Those bridges have now been burned, even if the Germans have to burn their furniture for heating. Maybe if there wasn't the whole "green" aspect to this, they might reconsider but once you add "greenness" on top of Ukraine, they are never going back to Russian fossil fuels - it's only a question of how rapidly they can make the transition.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @The Problem with Midway, @ic1000, @Paul Mendez

    We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam)

    No, the SMO has not run out of steam.

    It’s a war of attrition right now. The Russians are patiently, methodically and ruthlessly roto-tilling the Ukrainian army into the steppes of the Donbas.

  209. @Johann Ricke
    @The Problem with Midway


    You can’t subsidize the cost of fuel you don’t have.
     
    The EU will outbid Third World countries. Fuel producers will pay nugatory contractual penalties (compared to 10x spot prices) to Third World countries in order to divert their contracted shipments from the Third World to the EU. This ain't rocket science.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    Which Third World nations will the EU outbid, and how much energy do they consume compared to Europe? Being serious, not snarky.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paul Mendez

    Some data here:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-25/the-steady-erosion-of-russian-oil-exports-continues


    Asian countries, dominated by China and India, are still taking more than half of all the crude shipped from Russia, up from about one-third before the invasion. This half is in turn roughly equally divided between India and China.

    It's quite common for oil cargos at sea to be sold even before they are delivered, oil to be transferred from one ship to another to disguise its origin, etc. Or the Indians could take delivery of the extra Russian oil and sell other oil on the market. An average tanker can carry 200,000 barrels of oil. Russian crude right now commands a discount of around $20/bbl or more vs other country's crudes. So each diverted tanker represents $4 million of profit or more. People will kill for less.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Paul Mendez


    Which Third World nations will the EU outbid, and how much energy do they consume compared to Europe? Being serious, not snarky.
     
    Whichever country's suppliers are willing to break their contracts to supply the EU. Note that they only need enough to fill the gap between supply and demand. Even a small gap can lead to massive increases in spot prices. Texas had a problem with spot power prices spiking to the moon during the cold snap of 2021. Then they crashed right back down. Supply emerged to meet demand to the point prices returned to normal. Note that natural gas usage in the Third World is massive, since they do much of the manufacturing that used to be carried out in the West.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gas/gas-consumption-by-country/

    Amusingly enough, China is said to be capitalizing on high spot prices by selling its own surplus natural gas because of an economic slowdown caused by a combo of its real estate crash and Xi Jinping's pathological COVID shutdowns.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/China-throws-Europe-an-energy-lifeline-with-LNG-resales
  210. @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > If I was saying “steady on, the other guy is about to collapse” then wasn’t “Bill Jones” (and aren’t you) saying the exact same thing from the Russian perspective?

    No. I'm not Russian or pro-Russian. Nor is John Mearshiemer, read one of his essays for his informed pro-American view of the situation.

    > We are only 6 months into this (and at the moment the Russian offensive appears to have run out of steam)

    The war is a disaster for Ukraine. Its economy, its people, its future demographics. This would be true if it ended tomorrow (it won't).

    > It’s inconceivable that consumer energy costs in Europe are going to jump 10x.

    You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

    https://twitter.com/DoombergT/status/1564302557618618375

    We live (everybody lives) in the physical world. LNG plants, power plants, pipelines, high-voltage lines -- etc. -- take years to design and build. In the meantime...

    Replies: @Jack D

    I’m not Russian or pro-Russian. Nor is John Mearshiemer , read one of his essays for his informed pro-American view of the situation.

    John Mearsheimer is certainly no dummy but he is wrong about Ukraine as he is wrong about many other things. I don’t know you well enough, but I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because his analysis contains so many glaring omissions and tends to always shift blame onto America. As long as you are willing to ignore these elephants in the room, his analysis makes sense but I’m not willing to turn a blind eye as he is. Maybe Mearsheimer is not anti-American or pro-Russian but it’s a distinction without a difference if his conclusion is that America is always to blame and Putin is without sin. In the old days when Russia was called the USSR, people would have called him a “fellow traveler”. Fellow travelers also claimed not to be pro-Soviet – it was just a coincidence that their all American patriotic views happened to exactly parallel those of Moscow. Sorry, not buying.

    Mearsheimer is “pro-American” in the same way as Howard W. Campbell, Jr. was in Slaughterhouse Five:

    Saying that you are pro-American doesn’t make you pro-American.

    Read this for an understanding of what Mearsheimer is omitting:

    His security equation is missing key variables. The three most important are the security imperatives of Russia’s neighbors, the increasing authoritarianism of the Russian state and the true horror of Russia’s brutal war and occupation. By not adequately weighing these factors, Mearsheimer can explain Putin’s invasion of a peaceful, independent nation as a predictable reaction to Western provocations.

    https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-missing-mearsheimers-analysis-ukraine-war

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jack D

    OK, I'll read that link on Mearsheimer and any others you post.

    , @MEH 0910
    @Jack D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine


    After the end of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Ukraine had a large arsenal of nuclear weapons on its territory. However, in 1994, Ukraine agreed to give up nuclear arms and become a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty; within two years, it had removed all atomic weapons. Almost alone among observers, Mearsheimer was opposed to that decision because he saw that Ukraine without a nuclear deterrent would likely be subjected to aggression by Russia. [68] As early as 1993, he suggested that Ukraine should retain its nuclear weapons as a deterrent.[1][69]
     

    Replies: @Jack D

  211. @Jack D
    @ic1000


    I’m not Russian or pro-Russian. Nor is John Mearshiemer , read one of his essays for his informed pro-American view of the situation.
     
    John Mearsheimer is certainly no dummy but he is wrong about Ukraine as he is wrong about many other things. I don't know you well enough, but I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because his analysis contains so many glaring omissions and tends to always shift blame onto America. As long as you are willing to ignore these elephants in the room, his analysis makes sense but I'm not willing to turn a blind eye as he is. Maybe Mearsheimer is not anti-American or pro-Russian but it's a distinction without a difference if his conclusion is that America is always to blame and Putin is without sin. In the old days when Russia was called the USSR, people would have called him a "fellow traveler". Fellow travelers also claimed not to be pro-Soviet - it was just a coincidence that their all American patriotic views happened to exactly parallel those of Moscow. Sorry, not buying.

    Mearsheimer is "pro-American" in the same way as Howard W. Campbell, Jr. was in Slaughterhouse Five:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OixVPcCbcx0

    Saying that you are pro-American doesn't make you pro-American.

    Read this for an understanding of what Mearsheimer is omitting:


    His security equation is missing key variables. The three most important are the security imperatives of Russia’s neighbors, the increasing authoritarianism of the Russian state and the true horror of Russia’s brutal war and occupation. By not adequately weighing these factors, Mearsheimer can explain Putin’s invasion of a peaceful, independent nation as a predictable reaction to Western provocations.

     

    https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-missing-mearsheimers-analysis-ukraine-war

    Replies: @ic1000, @MEH 0910

    OK, I’ll read that link on Mearsheimer and any others you post.

  212. @Paul Mendez
    @Johann Ricke

    Which Third World nations will the EU outbid, and how much energy do they consume compared to Europe? Being serious, not snarky.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    Some data here:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-25/the-steady-erosion-of-russian-oil-exports-continues

    Asian countries, dominated by China and India, are still taking more than half of all the crude shipped from Russia, up from about one-third before the invasion. This half is in turn roughly equally divided between India and China.

    It’s quite common for oil cargos at sea to be sold even before they are delivered, oil to be transferred from one ship to another to disguise its origin, etc. Or the Indians could take delivery of the extra Russian oil and sell other oil on the market. An average tanker can carry 200,000 barrels of oil. Russian crude right now commands a discount of around \$20/bbl or more vs other country’s crudes. So each diverted tanker represents \$4 million of profit or more. People will kill for less.

  213. @Paul Mendez
    @Johann Ricke

    Which Third World nations will the EU outbid, and how much energy do they consume compared to Europe? Being serious, not snarky.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    Which Third World nations will the EU outbid, and how much energy do they consume compared to Europe? Being serious, not snarky.

    Whichever country’s suppliers are willing to break their contracts to supply the EU. Note that they only need enough to fill the gap between supply and demand. Even a small gap can lead to massive increases in spot prices. Texas had a problem with spot power prices spiking to the moon during the cold snap of 2021. Then they crashed right back down. Supply emerged to meet demand to the point prices returned to normal. Note that natural gas usage in the Third World is massive, since they do much of the manufacturing that used to be carried out in the West.

    https://www.worldometers.info/gas/gas-consumption-by-country/

    Amusingly enough, China is said to be capitalizing on high spot prices by selling its own surplus natural gas because of an economic slowdown caused by a combo of its real estate crash and Xi Jinping’s pathological COVID shutdowns.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/China-throws-Europe-an-energy-lifeline-with-LNG-resales

  214. @Bill Jones
    @Mike_from_SGV


    I really like the “ignore commenter” button.
     
    Me too. And C was first on my list of 2.
    It's not for nothing that Unz is renowned for having the best commenting system.

    Replies: @I, Libertine

    Oh, so he’s known to be a weirdo by the Unz commentariat. That explains his replies to me. Thanks for the heads up.

  215. @Inverness

    And he had the same kinds of complicated forces in his life that Louis Till had.
     
    These complicated (mysterious!) forces are quite capable of overcoming personal agency, yes. Thanks for asking.

    Louis, enraged, choked her to unconsciousness, to which she responded by throwing scalding water at him.
     
    Well there's a complicated force, but don't laugh. It's actually hard to pull off when you're unconscious.

    It's always Emmett Till O'clock somewhere!
     
    That's really quite brilliant.

    Replies: @Prester John

    Emmett Till–All of the time.

  216. The French were scraping the bottom of the barrel as well in WW1. A quote from The First World War: A Complete History By Martin Gilbert, pg. 145

    “French colonial troops, Blacks from Senegal, were ordered to make a diversionary attack on the British flank, but were so terrified by the gas that they shot their own officers (who had orders to shoot them if they turned away from the line of advance) and hurried back to the French lines of the supply dumps and casualty stations in the rear, where for several hours they looted the stores and raped the nurses.”

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Onginer

    Wow.

    Replies: @Onginer

  217. I had a vexed relationship with my father mainly because he and my mother didn’t get along all the time.

    He used my mother as a punching bag.

    And he had the same kinds of complicated forces in his life that Louis Till had.

    Irresistible forces meeting moveable objects.

  218. @Wielgus
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder if the crackers who killed Emmett Till understood concepts like statistical odds and acted with them in mind. Somehow I doubt it.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    I wonder if the crackers who killed Emmett Till understood concepts like statistical odds and acted with them in mind. Somehow I doubt it.

    They understood a lot more than you–and they weren’t “crackers”, you self-hating wet noodle. They were White men, righteous ones, and it’s sad that they were put in that position by a predatory feral. But they did what needed doing.

    You sound like a half-man cuck. If your boyfriend was sexually assaulted by Till, what would you do? The word “fluffer” comes to mind.

    So just go get your monkeypox vaccine, drink your strawberry daiquiri, and don’t besmirch the memory of two good men put in a bad position.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AceDeuce

    They weren't crackers, they were local shopkeepers. They weren't righteous at all. They were a pair of obnoxious clowns with out-of-control tempers, and when the local community saw them for what they were, they were shunned to such a degree that they had to leave town to earn a living.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Bardon Kaldlan
    @AceDeuce

    Wasn't one or more of the men black? I'd think the blacks of that time wouldn't look kindly on a dirty punk like Emmet bringing grief to their town.

    Replies: @anarchyst

  219. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @John Johnson

    My God! Yes, Hitler had a plan to destroy Poland!
    He told Himmler about it and Himmler said,gee,boss,you made this whole big plan,all by yourself?
    Hitler repled," It was easy,I just took this book,"Germany Must Perish",and wherever it said Germany,I crossed it out and wrote Poland!"
    "That," said Himmler," is why they call you the Fuhrer!!"😉

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    My God! Yes, Hitler had a plan to destroy Poland!
    He told Himmler about it and Himmler said,gee,boss,you made this whole big plan,all by yourself?
    Hitler repled,” It was easy,I just took this book,”Germany Must Perish”,and wherever it said Germany,I crossed it out and wrote Poland!”

    Germany Must Perish was self-published by an American Jew in 1941 and rejected by Allied leaders.

    Hitler talked about taking territory from the East in Mein Kampf which was published in 1925. Which state do you think he was talking about?

    The Nazis dropped 560 tons of ordinance on Warsaw in a single day.
    https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-destruction-of-warsaw-the-nazi-plan-to-obliterate-a-city

    The Great Anti-Communist dropped thousands of bombs on Christian women and children.

    I’m sure the Jews somehow made him do it.

  220. Breaking News! President Biden Reveals That Emmett Till Is Dead.

    Breaking News! President Biden Reveals That Emmett Till Is Gay.

  221. @The Problem with Midway
    @Jack D

    You can't subsidize the cost of fuel you don't have.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @AnotherDad

    You can’t subsidize the cost of fuel you don’t have.

    Oil is one of the most fungible commodities around. Not 100%–there are different grades and refineries are setup to handle this or that, and of course there are long term contracts. So there is friction, but it is still very fungible.

    A simple model–
    — Russia was selling to Germany, Saudi Arabia to India
    now
    — Russia sells to India, Saudi Arabia to Germany

    Basically if Russia continues to produce and have sell its oil on the market, then … there’s not new shortage.

    Ironically it would only be if the Western boycott was actually effective that there would be a big problem. But if Russia can find a buyer … then the market just has to readjust. Russia maybe gets a little less, the West pays a little more. There is less efficiency since maybe nations are supplying other nations from further away.

    Now natural gas is a much bigger problem because while even more fungible as a commodity the infrastructure to move it around–pipelines or LNG plants–is not snap your fingers replaceable.

  222. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @John Johnson

    My God! Yes, Hitler had a plan to destroy Poland!
    He told Himmler about it and Himmler said,gee,boss,you made this whole big plan,all by yourself?
    Hitler repled," It was easy,I just took this book,"Germany Must Perish",and wherever it said Germany,I crossed it out and wrote Poland!"
    "That," said Himmler," is why they call you the Fuhrer!!"😉

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    I think you have to work on your timeline a bit since Germany Must Perish was published in 1941 and Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 (and wrote Mein Kampf in 1925). You might even come to the conclusion that Kaufman got his genocidal ideas (and motivation for wanting to dismember Germany) FROM Hitler rather than vice versa.

    Note that after the war, Germany didn’t quite get carved up as much as Kaufman wanted (which was for it to disappear from the map entirely as Poland had once been erased) but it did get carved up quite a bit. Arguably, it has never really regained its full national sovereignty – in their dreams, post Cold War Germans pictured themselves as a neutral buffer between Russia and America but when push came to shove they had no choice but to go with America – the best they could do is drag their heels a little. And as for sterilization, given the birth rate in German (1.54 children per woman, even lower if you count only women of German extraction) the Germans are doing this to themselves.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Germany is fully sovereign. Foreign troops on German soil might suffice to occupy Baden and Wurttemberg if they actually were deployed as an occupying force. Germany's problem is a deficit of young men and general enervation.

    Henry Morganthau during the war attempted to persuade others in the administration that the plan should be to divide the German states into five successor territories and to systematically destroy their industrial plant and their mines. You can see that was never implemented.

    The boots on the ground in Silesia, East Prussia, and Pomerania were Soviet Russia's. Ultimately, not much the western powers could do to stop the massive population transfers there and east of the Curzon Line.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

  223. @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    I think you have to work on your timeline a bit since Germany Must Perish was published in 1941 and Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 (and wrote Mein Kampf in 1925). You might even come to the conclusion that Kaufman got his genocidal ideas (and motivation for wanting to dismember Germany) FROM Hitler rather than vice versa.

    Note that after the war, Germany didn't quite get carved up as much as Kaufman wanted (which was for it to disappear from the map entirely as Poland had once been erased) but it did get carved up quite a bit. Arguably, it has never really regained its full national sovereignty - in their dreams, post Cold War Germans pictured themselves as a neutral buffer between Russia and America but when push came to shove they had no choice but to go with America - the best they could do is drag their heels a little. And as for sterilization, given the birth rate in German (1.54 children per woman, even lower if you count only women of German extraction) the Germans are doing this to themselves.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Germany is fully sovereign. Foreign troops on German soil might suffice to occupy Baden and Wurttemberg if they actually were deployed as an occupying force. Germany’s problem is a deficit of young men and general enervation.

    Henry Morganthau during the war attempted to persuade others in the administration that the plan should be to divide the German states into five successor territories and to systematically destroy their industrial plant and their mines. You can see that was never implemented.

    The boots on the ground in Silesia, East Prussia, and Pomerania were Soviet Russia’s. Ultimately, not much the western powers could do to stop the massive population transfers there and east of the Curzon Line.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Americans are much too nice to do Russian style "population transfer" or "demilitarization" but you can lose a part of your sovereignty by means that fall short of full military occupation.

    Compare Germany with France, which did regain its sovereignty after the war, thanks in large part to De Gaulle's stubborn proud nature. All foreign troops were expelled from France and De Gaulle withdrew his army from the NATO command structure in 1966. Germany has never done this and never will do this, at least not in the foreseeable future.

    Putting aside military command, Macron (wrongly, but at least he tried) thought that he had the independence to be an "honest broker" between the US and Russia on Ukraine but Scholz was under no such illusion. Russia had bought and paid for certain people in Germany such as ex-Chancellor Schröder but they weren't fully independent either - instead of being in America's pocket, they were in Russia's. Unlike an Afghan, when you buy a German he stays bought, so Schröder stayed on deck with his Russian friends even as the Moskva went under the waves.

    , @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    Henry Morganthau during the war attempted to persuade others in the administration that the plan should be to divide the German states into five successor territories and to systematically destroy their industrial plant and their mines. You can see that was never implemented.

    The Morganthau plan was real and also rejected by the Allies.

    But why would such plans be a surprise in 1947? Do you think everyone in the world would just shrug at another bloody war with Germany? Especially after images of the camps came out? What point are you making?

    Hitler gambled it all and lost. Yes there was persecution against German citizens after the war and that was wrong but can anyone be surprised? People get pretty pissed off when you kill their relatives. They don't always act rationally in response or seek some higher level of justice.

    All Hitler had to do was go East and without attacking Poland. That is what the British conservatives wanted him to do. But he couldn't resist getting revenge over WW1 and now we have to live in his mess. We get clown world and White guilt to the extreme. Is what it is. Digging up the Morganthau plan doesn't prove anything. That was well after it was clear that Hitler was willing to destroy everything including Germany to feed his ego. Hitler could have surrendered to the Allies much earlier and prevented Germans from being shipped off to Stalin's gulags. He knew full well what their fate would be. He also knew that the Communists would go on a raping spree once they entered Germany. Some pro-German. Good luck ladies.

  224. @Anonymous
    Reminds me of the black soldier gang-rape of a white English lady that took place during a home invasion while her husband was forced to watch, which was the basis of "A Clockwork Orange."

    One can imagine the public response if ACO was remade, except with black soldiers being accurately portrayed by Denzel Washington and Chris Rock, instead of Malcolm McDowell and the rest.

    Replies: @thenon

    I have been looking for years for a reference to the race issue on this, can you supply one? 40 years ago an Englishman told me of this without referring to the race of the perps. I have finally figured it out on my own because I believe that whites don’t usually have an inordinate fondness for gang rape. I decided that he didn’t mention it probably because like many europeans he didn’t see black Americans as any different than white ones. I guess you have to live here to feel the difference

  225. @Ian Smith
    @J.Ross

    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @ThreeCranes

    We don’t know the circumstances of his being “beaten to death”. All that we have to go by is evidence presented to our senses. What we have seen, over and over, is that black youths who are engaged in some illegal enterprise, when stopped and confronted by the law or legitimate property owners, react with defiance and willful resistance. That resistance provokes law enforcement into harsher measures to restrain the wild, struggling animal they now are faced with. Every video shows a black man turning into a beast when he realizes that he is to be held accountable and arrested.

    The black men who do this are all too often, the sons of single moms. Their mothers have polluted their minds with tall tales of white men’s depravity. Crippled by their genetically limited capacity for reason, bathed in the superstitious propaganda of an ignorant, unworldly woman, a black youth’s worldview is completely out of touch with the actual world in which he lives.

    Most likely, the two men who kidnapped Till intended to take him for a ride into the country and set him loose, miles from town (this was a common fraternity hazing at the time). Truss him up, give him a few licks, and let him walk home. Give him some time to think about how things are different in the South compared to Chicago.

    But Till’s mind had been polluted by his mother’s ignorant rants about the evils of white devils. So Till, when they dragged him from the back of the pickup truck, went into full George Floyd, Trayvon Martin mode and began kicking and lashing out. He went literally insane. He went into uncageable, black beast mode. The men tried to restrain him but in his struggles, he hurt them, so they retaliated.

    In the same way Jewish moms fill their sons with hate and irrational fear of white people, so too do black mothers fill the minds of their sons. As a consequence, the minds of the offspring of both races dwell in a world of fantasy, peopled with monsters of their own conjuring. When they react to those phantoms, they lash out and hurt the rest of us, the innocent people around them. Having done no wrong, their behavior is impossible for the average white person to fathom. Why such hate? Such fear? Such paranoia? Such projection? Such invention?

    What black and Jewish mothers emote, Freud called “hysteria”. Its identifying characteristic is “unfounded fear”. Persons in the grip of it are called “neurotic”. They are out of their minds and cannot be reasoned with. No amount of gentle persuasion or reasoning with can get through to them. Their compulsive behavior is so strong that it drives all interactions with them. This is what we Whites have to cope with in dealing with Jewish and black mothers. Unfortunately, our cultural and genetic evolution has so diverged from theirs that evolution has not endowed us with the means to do so.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  226. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Germany is fully sovereign. Foreign troops on German soil might suffice to occupy Baden and Wurttemberg if they actually were deployed as an occupying force. Germany's problem is a deficit of young men and general enervation.

    Henry Morganthau during the war attempted to persuade others in the administration that the plan should be to divide the German states into five successor territories and to systematically destroy their industrial plant and their mines. You can see that was never implemented.

    The boots on the ground in Silesia, East Prussia, and Pomerania were Soviet Russia's. Ultimately, not much the western powers could do to stop the massive population transfers there and east of the Curzon Line.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

    Americans are much too nice to do Russian style “population transfer” or “demilitarization” but you can lose a part of your sovereignty by means that fall short of full military occupation.

    Compare Germany with France, which did regain its sovereignty after the war, thanks in large part to De Gaulle’s stubborn proud nature. All foreign troops were expelled from France and De Gaulle withdrew his army from the NATO command structure in 1966. Germany has never done this and never will do this, at least not in the foreseeable future.

    Putting aside military command, Macron (wrongly, but at least he tried) thought that he had the independence to be an “honest broker” between the US and Russia on Ukraine but Scholz was under no such illusion. Russia had bought and paid for certain people in Germany such as ex-Chancellor Schröder but they weren’t fully independent either – instead of being in America’s pocket, they were in Russia’s. Unlike an Afghan, when you buy a German he stays bought, so Schröder stayed on deck with his Russian friends even as the Moskva went under the waves.

  227. @AceDeuce
    @Wielgus


    I wonder if the crackers who killed Emmett Till understood concepts like statistical odds and acted with them in mind. Somehow I doubt it.
     
    They understood a lot more than you--and they weren't "crackers", you self-hating wet noodle. They were White men, righteous ones, and it's sad that they were put in that position by a predatory feral. But they did what needed doing.

    You sound like a half-man cuck. If your boyfriend was sexually assaulted by Till, what would you do? The word "fluffer" comes to mind.

    So just go get your monkeypox vaccine, drink your strawberry daiquiri, and don't besmirch the memory of two good men put in a bad position.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldlan

    They weren’t crackers, they were local shopkeepers. They weren’t righteous at all. They were a pair of obnoxious clowns with out-of-control tempers, and when the local community saw them for what they were, they were shunned to such a degree that they had to leave town to earn a living.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    What does it take to be a "cracker" in your estimation?

    Yes they were shopkeepers but in the most marginal possible way - the Bryants were so poor that they owned neither a car nor a TV. Roy supplemented their meager income from the store (made even more meager by the fact that the F'eral govt. was now giving blacks food for free that they used to sell in the store) by truck driving and so he is away when Till makes his infamous pass at Carolyn. They live behind the store but in rural Mississippi it's not safe for a white woman to be alone at night in a Negro hamlet (or to travel alone after dark) so when Roy is away she has to summon her sister in law to drive her and leave before dark every day. Roy's mother had 2 (successive) husbands and 11 children. Carolyn married Roy at age 17 and at 21 she now has 2 children of her own.

    So the Bryants were barely, barely in the merchant class. I don't think it is unfair to call them "crackers" - they certain did not think of themselves out as being from a better or higher class of people than other ordinary working class white Mississippians.

    Bryant thought it was necessary to punish Till or his wife's future safety would be even more in danger - the only way whites could live there was if blacks feared and respected them.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  228. Emmett’s dead? I didn’t even know he’d been sick.

  229. @AnotherDad
    @Ian Smith


    Emmett Till may have been a creep, but I don’t think that he deserved to be beaten to death. And while I find it loathsome the way the media wave his corpse around to drum up white guilt, I don’t think his father being a rapist is anything more than an interesting historical footnote. Till fils isn’t responsible for the sins of Till peré any more than the white race is collectively guilty for lynchings by our great-great-great-great grandfathers.
     
    Ian, Till did not deserve to be beaten to death. (My take on what I've read was that everyone at the time thought some degree of beating was coming/deserved. But no one including the white folks in town thought the killing was deserved. An asshole who needed some sense/proper behavior knocked into him seems to more have been the thought.) Nor is Till responsible for his father's rape, though that certainly goes a long way toward explaining his assholery.

    But you just clean missed why Steve's response to Biden was so excellent. It isn't that Till is necessarily a genetic bad apple. It is it is that Biden--nominally the President of the United States--is blabbing about a--personal score-settling--murder from 67 years ago, using it to beat whitey ... today. An anachronism.

    Steve's countering with Till's own father--ouch!--raping and murdering 78 years ago, while serving as an American soldier. Which scores so many hits at once it's positively delicious.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    Emmett Till “touched” and fondled a woman without her permission and stated his intentions, wanting a “date”. With blacks, we know where that leads… THAT is assault in my book.
    Carolyn Bryant was so rattled by the assault and attempted rape (Till, being of greater stature and weighing 160 lbs, she thought that Till would rape her).
    The townspeople KNEW that if they got the legal system involved, Till would be set free with little consequences, just because of his age. Yes, the “punishment” may have gone too far, but in that day and age…
    Till’s body was submerged in water. The swamp critters had a “field day”, hence the bloated appearance.
    If Till’s arrogance hadn’t gotten in the way, he would be alive today, (probably in prison for rape and / or murder, but would still be alive).

  230. @Art Deco
    @AceDeuce

    They weren't crackers, they were local shopkeepers. They weren't righteous at all. They were a pair of obnoxious clowns with out-of-control tempers, and when the local community saw them for what they were, they were shunned to such a degree that they had to leave town to earn a living.

    Replies: @Jack D

    What does it take to be a “cracker” in your estimation?

    Yes they were shopkeepers but in the most marginal possible way – the Bryants were so poor that they owned neither a car nor a TV. Roy supplemented their meager income from the store (made even more meager by the fact that the F’eral govt. was now giving blacks food for free that they used to sell in the store) by truck driving and so he is away when Till makes his infamous pass at Carolyn. They live behind the store but in rural Mississippi it’s not safe for a white woman to be alone at night in a Negro hamlet (or to travel alone after dark) so when Roy is away she has to summon her sister in law to drive her and leave before dark every day. Roy’s mother had 2 (successive) husbands and 11 children. Carolyn married Roy at age 17 and at 21 she now has 2 children of her own.

    So the Bryants were barely, barely in the merchant class. I don’t think it is unfair to call them “crackers” – they certain did not think of themselves out as being from a better or higher class of people than other ordinary working class white Mississippians.

    Bryant thought it was necessary to punish Till or his wife’s future safety would be even more in danger – the only way whites could live there was if blacks feared and respected them.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    the Bryants were so poor that they owned neither a car nor a TV.

    Half the population did not own a television set in 1955 and in the Mississippi delta they might have had terrible problems with reception if they did. The Bryants were in their early 20s. Short rations at that age are normal.


    (made even more meager by the fact that the F’eral govt. was now giving blacks food for free that they used to sell in the store)

    The school lunch program was founded in 1965 and it does not have an exclusively black clientele.


    Bryant thought it was necessary to punish Till or his wife’s future safety would be even more in danger – the only way whites could live there was if blacks feared and respected them.

    You're as much of a mark as the rest of these shnooks.

  231. @Jack D
    @ic1000


    I’m not Russian or pro-Russian. Nor is John Mearshiemer , read one of his essays for his informed pro-American view of the situation.
     
    John Mearsheimer is certainly no dummy but he is wrong about Ukraine as he is wrong about many other things. I don't know you well enough, but I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because his analysis contains so many glaring omissions and tends to always shift blame onto America. As long as you are willing to ignore these elephants in the room, his analysis makes sense but I'm not willing to turn a blind eye as he is. Maybe Mearsheimer is not anti-American or pro-Russian but it's a distinction without a difference if his conclusion is that America is always to blame and Putin is without sin. In the old days when Russia was called the USSR, people would have called him a "fellow traveler". Fellow travelers also claimed not to be pro-Soviet - it was just a coincidence that their all American patriotic views happened to exactly parallel those of Moscow. Sorry, not buying.

    Mearsheimer is "pro-American" in the same way as Howard W. Campbell, Jr. was in Slaughterhouse Five:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OixVPcCbcx0

    Saying that you are pro-American doesn't make you pro-American.

    Read this for an understanding of what Mearsheimer is omitting:


    His security equation is missing key variables. The three most important are the security imperatives of Russia’s neighbors, the increasing authoritarianism of the Russian state and the true horror of Russia’s brutal war and occupation. By not adequately weighing these factors, Mearsheimer can explain Putin’s invasion of a peaceful, independent nation as a predictable reaction to Western provocations.

     

    https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-missing-mearsheimers-analysis-ukraine-war

    Replies: @ic1000, @MEH 0910

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

    After the end of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Ukraine had a large arsenal of nuclear weapons on its territory. However, in 1994, Ukraine agreed to give up nuclear arms and become a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty; within two years, it had removed all atomic weapons. Almost alone among observers, Mearsheimer was opposed to that decision because he saw that Ukraine without a nuclear deterrent would likely be subjected to aggression by Russia. [68] As early as 1993, he suggested that Ukraine should retain its nuclear weapons as a deterrent.[1][69]

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    What is your point? By 2014 (which was 20 years later - long enough to change your mind) he wrote the succinctly named article "Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West's Fault" - that pretty much sums up his position from 2014 until today.

    He also thought that while America was baiting the "bear", that Putin was too smart to take the bait:

    "If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine", he said in 2015.

    Very prescient. As I said before, JM is not a dumb guy and I agree with him that the invasion of Ukraine is going to (already has) wreck Russia. Russian car production is now down something like 95% below its prewar level.

    But then he said:

    "Putin is much too smart to try that"

    Oops.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  232. @MEH 0910
    @Jack D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine


    After the end of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Ukraine had a large arsenal of nuclear weapons on its territory. However, in 1994, Ukraine agreed to give up nuclear arms and become a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty; within two years, it had removed all atomic weapons. Almost alone among observers, Mearsheimer was opposed to that decision because he saw that Ukraine without a nuclear deterrent would likely be subjected to aggression by Russia. [68] As early as 1993, he suggested that Ukraine should retain its nuclear weapons as a deterrent.[1][69]
     

    Replies: @Jack D

    What is your point? By 2014 (which was 20 years later – long enough to change your mind) he wrote the succinctly named article “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault” – that pretty much sums up his position from 2014 until today.

    He also thought that while America was baiting the “bear”, that Putin was too smart to take the bait:

    “If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine”, he said in 2015.

    Very prescient. As I said before, JM is not a dumb guy and I agree with him that the invasion of Ukraine is going to (already has) wreck Russia. Russian car production is now down something like 95% below its prewar level.

    But then he said:

    “Putin is much too smart to try that”

    Oops.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Jack D


    By 2014 (which was 20 years later – long enough to change your mind)
     
    Why would Mearsheimer change his mind that Ukraine should have kept its nukes when that point of view has been vindicated?

    he wrote the succinctly named article “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault” – that pretty much sums up his position from 2014 until today.
     
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault
    https://archive.ph/Cthve

    Yeah, I can see how the Neocons would not be happy with Mearsheimer's article. So what? Ukraine would have been better off listening to Mearsheimer.
  233. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    What does it take to be a "cracker" in your estimation?

    Yes they were shopkeepers but in the most marginal possible way - the Bryants were so poor that they owned neither a car nor a TV. Roy supplemented their meager income from the store (made even more meager by the fact that the F'eral govt. was now giving blacks food for free that they used to sell in the store) by truck driving and so he is away when Till makes his infamous pass at Carolyn. They live behind the store but in rural Mississippi it's not safe for a white woman to be alone at night in a Negro hamlet (or to travel alone after dark) so when Roy is away she has to summon her sister in law to drive her and leave before dark every day. Roy's mother had 2 (successive) husbands and 11 children. Carolyn married Roy at age 17 and at 21 she now has 2 children of her own.

    So the Bryants were barely, barely in the merchant class. I don't think it is unfair to call them "crackers" - they certain did not think of themselves out as being from a better or higher class of people than other ordinary working class white Mississippians.

    Bryant thought it was necessary to punish Till or his wife's future safety would be even more in danger - the only way whites could live there was if blacks feared and respected them.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    the Bryants were so poor that they owned neither a car nor a TV.

    Half the population did not own a television set in 1955 and in the Mississippi delta they might have had terrible problems with reception if they did. The Bryants were in their early 20s. Short rations at that age are normal.

    (made even more meager by the fact that the F’eral govt. was now giving blacks food for free that they used to sell in the store)

    The school lunch program was founded in 1965 and it does not have an exclusively black clientele.

    Bryant thought it was necessary to punish Till or his wife’s future safety would be even more in danger – the only way whites could live there was if blacks feared and respected them.

    You’re as much of a mark as the rest of these shnooks.

  234. If the best response you have i that the young man’s father was a rapist and a bad father then you don’t have much of a case for crowding out or disparaging the Emiit Til case.

    And it is correct, that some service members in WWII engaged in crimes against the populations of the host countries. Trying single out service member Til Senior and the poster for the same is mighty weak.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334204/The-GIs-raped-France-We-know-mass-rape-German-women-Stalins-soldiers-Now-new-book-reveals-American-troops-committed-thousands-rapes-French-women-liberating.html

    War brings out the nastiness of human conduct unlike any other condition.

    But there was no war on that warm day in Money, Mississippi. There were np war torn buildings. There were no snipers. No living with constant fear. No suspicious kids who might be spies reporting troop location and movement. Black women were not planting bombs under the beds of their unsuspecting white employees or “intimates”. Black men were being let in under cover of darkness to slit white people’s throats soley for being white. There were no disappearing white men, or women carted off by blacks of any age, or gender. No crosses being burned on lawns of white people – certainly not black residents. So its a rather bizarre twist and perhaps a rather crass attempt to highlight a single black soldier in war raging Europe against the peaceful surroundings of a small off the way store and teenagers “playful” “flirtatious” conduct, if it was even that.

    Strange intellectual maturity

    • Replies: @Anymike
    @EliteCommInc.

    I have two things to say in response. The 1950s was a very violent era rife with youth and young adult violence. It wasn't happy days and those family situation comedies were not intended to be seens as a mirror of how people lived. They were, rather, an attempt to show people how to solve their family and interpersonal problems through normative reasoning rather than histrionics and violence.

    The violent response of the men who unlawfully detained and then killed Emmett Till was more typical of the time than anyone has been told.

    Fact is, we don't know much about Emmett Till. He may have been just playful and flirtatious. Or he may have had serious mental and behavioral problems. There is enough material there to warrant a forensic study of him. It still can be done.

    I don't make an issue of Louis Till. Emmett Till is the topic at the moment.

  235. @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    What is your point? By 2014 (which was 20 years later - long enough to change your mind) he wrote the succinctly named article "Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West's Fault" - that pretty much sums up his position from 2014 until today.

    He also thought that while America was baiting the "bear", that Putin was too smart to take the bait:

    "If you really want to wreck Russia, what you should do is to encourage it to try to conquer Ukraine", he said in 2015.

    Very prescient. As I said before, JM is not a dumb guy and I agree with him that the invasion of Ukraine is going to (already has) wreck Russia. Russian car production is now down something like 95% below its prewar level.

    But then he said:

    "Putin is much too smart to try that"

    Oops.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    By 2014 (which was 20 years later – long enough to change your mind)

    Why would Mearsheimer change his mind that Ukraine should have kept its nukes when that point of view has been vindicated?

    he wrote the succinctly named article “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault” – that pretty much sums up his position from 2014 until today.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault
    https://archive.ph/Cthve

    Yeah, I can see how the Neocons would not be happy with Mearsheimer’s article. So what? Ukraine would have been better off listening to Mearsheimer.

  236. @AceDeuce
    @Wielgus


    I wonder if the crackers who killed Emmett Till understood concepts like statistical odds and acted with them in mind. Somehow I doubt it.
     
    They understood a lot more than you--and they weren't "crackers", you self-hating wet noodle. They were White men, righteous ones, and it's sad that they were put in that position by a predatory feral. But they did what needed doing.

    You sound like a half-man cuck. If your boyfriend was sexually assaulted by Till, what would you do? The word "fluffer" comes to mind.

    So just go get your monkeypox vaccine, drink your strawberry daiquiri, and don't besmirch the memory of two good men put in a bad position.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Bardon Kaldlan

    Wasn’t one or more of the men black? I’d think the blacks of that time wouldn’t look kindly on a dirty punk like Emmet bringing grief to their town.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Yes, one of the men was black. That fact is conveniently left out of the Emmett Till fable.

  237. @Corvinus
    @JR Ewing

    Should they even laid a hand on him in the first place?

    Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    “Should they even laid a hand on him in the first place?”

    Yup, they sure should’ve. And whether you think he deserved what he got or just a beating (my vote is for the former), after he caught some justice, this black boy’s days of assaulting White women were OVER.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    He didn’t assault her.

  238. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Germany is fully sovereign. Foreign troops on German soil might suffice to occupy Baden and Wurttemberg if they actually were deployed as an occupying force. Germany's problem is a deficit of young men and general enervation.

    Henry Morganthau during the war attempted to persuade others in the administration that the plan should be to divide the German states into five successor territories and to systematically destroy their industrial plant and their mines. You can see that was never implemented.

    The boots on the ground in Silesia, East Prussia, and Pomerania were Soviet Russia's. Ultimately, not much the western powers could do to stop the massive population transfers there and east of the Curzon Line.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

    Henry Morganthau during the war attempted to persuade others in the administration that the plan should be to divide the German states into five successor territories and to systematically destroy their industrial plant and their mines. You can see that was never implemented.

    The Morganthau plan was real and also rejected by the Allies.

    But why would such plans be a surprise in 1947? Do you think everyone in the world would just shrug at another bloody war with Germany? Especially after images of the camps came out? What point are you making?

    Hitler gambled it all and lost. Yes there was persecution against German citizens after the war and that was wrong but can anyone be surprised? People get pretty pissed off when you kill their relatives. They don’t always act rationally in response or seek some higher level of justice.

    All Hitler had to do was go East and without attacking Poland. That is what the British conservatives wanted him to do. But he couldn’t resist getting revenge over WW1 and now we have to live in his mess. We get clown world and White guilt to the extreme. Is what it is. Digging up the Morganthau plan doesn’t prove anything. That was well after it was clear that Hitler was willing to destroy everything including Germany to feed his ego. Hitler could have surrendered to the Allies much earlier and prevented Germans from being shipped off to Stalin’s gulags. He knew full well what their fate would be. He also knew that the Communists would go on a raping spree once they entered Germany. Some pro-German. Good luck ladies.

  239. @ic1000
    @Jack D

    Jack... I concur with most of your commentary and appreciate your perspectives in most of the rest. I even agree with many of the specifics of the long comment I'm replying to.

    However.

    This "steady on, the other guy is about to collapse" sounds like a Hindenberg speech of 1916... 1917... 1918... but not 1919.

    Like John Mearshimer, you're American. As he's pointed out for the last 8 years, our Washington DC Dept. of State and Deep State wizards have been risking disaster, not for us, but for our European allies. (To say nothing of the Ukrainians themselves.) Now it's happening.

    The first images of gas and electric bills are trickling onto Twitter from Ireland, Germany, etc., and they aren't pretty. 5x jumps. If the wholesale markets are a guide, they'll be 10x within a few months. By the winter, it'll be rationing and not-at-any-price.

    This isn't short term cost or painful or who-blinks-first. It's plummeting living standards, businesses going bankrupt, seniors freezing in their flats, economies flatlining. Yeltsin's Russia. Weimar.

    Dreher today, too long as always. See his excerpt of Hungary P.M Viktor Orban's speech of July 23rd.

    This mix of "Let's play Risk!" and "Let's you and him fight" is not good policy.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson

    Jack D is correct. Putin doesn’t realize how dependent they are on Western tech.

    The best move Ukraine can make is hold out until the factories start breaking down. They can’t order replacement parts.

    Have a look at Russian imports:
    https://www.worldstopexports.com/russias-top-10-imports

    #1 is machinery including computers.

    Putin is acting like it is 1980 and they can just source everything locally. Like other European countries their productivity gains since the 90s are heavily dependent on tech.

    Modern factories run on very specific machines. You can’t just call up Xi and get parts when it breaks.

    There are already reports of them building cars without airbags. You can’t just take the clock back to 1980 and expect your industries to figure it out. It doesn’t work that way and shows that Putin doesn’t understand modern economics. The productivity losses will eventually bubble up into everything else and his currency games can’t save them.

    Even if a few European countries break and start buying oil it won’t matter. It’s not a matter of money. US and German companies are not selling them parts at any price.

    Watch as Russian planes are grounded because they can’t fix them. We have already seen this affect the war economy where they found crashed planes with GPS units duct taped to the dash.

    Putin attempted a 1930s style invasion under a 1980s economic mentality.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @John Johnson

    After all, cars can't run without power windows, power seats, ABS braking systems, little bells and gongs that remind you that you've put the transmission in reverse, back up video cameras, crank and cam position sensors, anti-skid braking systems, electric sensors that remind you to put a few pounds of pressure in your tires.

    Virtually all improvements in modern life that you speak of are cotton candy. We could easily return to the technology of the 1960's and very likely, our lives would improve. Other than the replacement of electric points with digital sensors and feedback, I don't see much gain from computers and such in the home. Certainly telephone service is worse. Customer service is non-existent today. Access to a Doctor is far worse. Food is crappier. Real wages are lower. Geewhiz computerization has succeeded in glossing over--glorifying actually--the nefarious effect of transfer of wealth from the average working class guy to Digital Moguls.

    Sure, guided missiles benefit from computerization, and engineering design work, bookkeeping, word processing and such, but how a car or stove or dishwasher or clothes dryer benefits is not easily discerned. Video gaming has created a couple generations of dweebs. Cell phones are just a nuisance. The computer internet has replaced deep reading with thinking and talking in snippets.

    Russia would do well to reject about 90% of the effects of computerization of everything in our lives. Who needs to program a computer to turn on your coffee machine?

    Replies: @Jack D

  240. @John Johnson
    @ic1000

    Jack D is correct. Putin doesn't realize how dependent they are on Western tech.

    The best move Ukraine can make is hold out until the factories start breaking down. They can't order replacement parts.

    Have a look at Russian imports:
    https://www.worldstopexports.com/russias-top-10-imports

    #1 is machinery including computers.

    Putin is acting like it is 1980 and they can just source everything locally. Like other European countries their productivity gains since the 90s are heavily dependent on tech.

    Modern factories run on very specific machines. You can't just call up Xi and get parts when it breaks.

    There are already reports of them building cars without airbags. You can't just take the clock back to 1980 and expect your industries to figure it out. It doesn't work that way and shows that Putin doesn't understand modern economics. The productivity losses will eventually bubble up into everything else and his currency games can't save them.

    Even if a few European countries break and start buying oil it won't matter. It's not a matter of money. US and German companies are not selling them parts at any price.

    Watch as Russian planes are grounded because they can't fix them. We have already seen this affect the war economy where they found crashed planes with GPS units duct taped to the dash.

    Putin attempted a 1930s style invasion under a 1980s economic mentality.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    After all, cars can’t run without power windows, power seats, ABS braking systems, little bells and gongs that remind you that you’ve put the transmission in reverse, back up video cameras, crank and cam position sensors, anti-skid braking systems, electric sensors that remind you to put a few pounds of pressure in your tires.

    Virtually all improvements in modern life that you speak of are cotton candy. We could easily return to the technology of the 1960’s and very likely, our lives would improve. Other than the replacement of electric points with digital sensors and feedback, I don’t see much gain from computers and such in the home. Certainly telephone service is worse. Customer service is non-existent today. Access to a Doctor is far worse. Food is crappier. Real wages are lower. Geewhiz computerization has succeeded in glossing over–glorifying actually–the nefarious effect of transfer of wealth from the average working class guy to Digital Moguls.

    Sure, guided missiles benefit from computerization, and engineering design work, bookkeeping, word processing and such, but how a car or stove or dishwasher or clothes dryer benefits is not easily discerned. Video gaming has created a couple generations of dweebs. Cell phones are just a nuisance. The computer internet has replaced deep reading with thinking and talking in snippets.

    Russia would do well to reject about 90% of the effects of computerization of everything in our lives. Who needs to program a computer to turn on your coffee machine?

    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ThreeCranes

    Russian automobile production has collapsed by 97%:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/30/russias-car-manufacturing-collapses-by-97-in-may-a78151

    Could you build a car that doesn't depend on chips? Sure - if you had 3 or 4 years to redesign one and maybe another of couple of years to build the machines that would make substitute analog parts like carburetors and vacuum operated transmissions. It wouldn't be a very good car (airbags are not "cotton candy" - they may literally be the difference between life and death in a crash. ABS is not cotton candy. Pollution controls are not cotton candy, etc.) but it would be a car.

    But can you take a car that is being built today and still build it without the chips - almost impossible without a complete redesign. Electronics are integrated into almost every aspect of the car and the modules all talk to each other over a network and if you leave one module out the rest may not work. Let's say you managed to replace electronic ignition with old fashioned breaker points. Ok, now your engine has spark but your dash cluster was getting RPM and vehicle speed from the ignition module (as was your transmission and fuel injection) so now they don't work either. So now you need a carburetor and a vacuum operated transmission and a cable operated speedometer and tach, the factories for which no longer exist. And so on and on and on.

    Replies: @Jack D

  241. @Onginer
    The French were scraping the bottom of the barrel as well in WW1. A quote from The First World War: A Complete History By Martin Gilbert, pg. 145

    “French colonial troops, Blacks from Senegal, were ordered to make a diversionary attack on the British flank, but were so terrified by the gas that they shot their own officers (who had orders to shoot them if they turned away from the line of advance) and hurried back to the French lines of the supply dumps and casualty stations in the rear, where for several hours they looted the stores and raped the nurses.”

    Replies: @Renard

    Wow.

    • Replies: @Onginer
    @Renard

    @Renard

    I thought the same when I read that sentence.

    With allies like that who needs enemies?

  242. @Jack D
    Not only is Wideman's son a murderer but his brother is also:

    https://www.duq.edu/news/releases/for-first-time-brothers-robert-wideman-author-john-edgar-wideman-to-publicly-discuss-controversial-homicide-case-

    His brother, Robert "Faruq" Wideman, finally got out of prison after 44 years in 2019. Faruq sought a new trial on the dubious grounds that his victim's family had sued the hospital for malpractice after he died, thus "proving" that it was the hospital that killed him and not the bullet wounds that were inflicted in the robbery in which Faruq participated. This and 6 other appeals didn't work but PA's lib. Dem. governor commuted his sentence anyway. Faruq is now 71 so hopefully he is no longer a threat to society.

    Wideman's son Jacob appears to have a white phenotype, which maybe shows that blackness is more than skin deep. He committed murder when he was 16 but now he is a middle aged man of 52.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/01/PPHX/92b4c88b-92f4-4d47-bf2f-8e14ec74b528-Jacob_Wideman.jpg?width=300&height=375&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    Jacob was attending a summer camp owned by his maternal grandmother in 1986. Part of the summer's program was a tour of Western national parks. During a stop at Yellowstone, Jacob bought a knife. On the way to the Grand Canyon, the tour stopped for the night in Flagstaff, AZ. Eric Kane and Jacob were roommates in a hotel there. After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group's car and $3,000 in traveler's checks and drove back to the East Coast.

    So murder runs in the family. I wonder if Emmett Till would have raped or killed someone later in life?

    John Edgar follows the common pattern of blacks who have broken out of the ghetto - he may have gotten out and joined the mainstream, even elite, world but parts of his family remained behind in the ghetto. Maybe the family's genetic propensity toward violence was what put them in the ghetto in the 1st place?

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Another similar case is that of Robert Peace. Peace, the son of a convicted murderer, was an exceedingly intelligent young man and received a scholarship to Yale. After graduation, he taught school for a while at the private Catholic school that has given him his start, but at some point returned to his family profession of drug dealing in Newark and was murdered (presumably in a drug deal gone bad). His Yale roommate wrote a best selling book about his friend.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2011/05/killed_in_apparent_drug-relate.html#:~:text=Aristide%20Economopoulos%2FThe%20Star%2DLedger,%22drug%2Dmotivated%22%20shooting.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @Joe Stalin, @Anon, @Anymike

    Evil eyes.

  243. @kaganovitch
    @Trinity

    Nothing was ever done to Lazar Kaganovich, a Devil who helped orchestrate the systematic starvation of MILLIONS in the Holodomor. Kaganovich lived to be nearly 100 years old. Nope, not a single world leader had the sack to apprehend an elderly Jewish mass murderer to stand trial for the murders of millions of Ukrainians and others.

    What I have always found astonishing is that Kaganovich lived, not in some dacha in the country with protection, but in an ordinary apartment in the middle of Moscow with no protection whatsoever. Pretty much any day over the last 4 decades or so of his life anyone could have knocked on his door and beaten him to death with a hammer. As best I can tell he lived out his years entirely unmolested, despite there being tens, if not hundreds, of thousands with deep personal reason to kill him. It's simply astonishing.

    Replies: @Trinity, @Anon

    A bit like Bill Ayers and the gang (though writ large).

  244. @Bardon Kaldlan
    @AceDeuce

    Wasn't one or more of the men black? I'd think the blacks of that time wouldn't look kindly on a dirty punk like Emmet bringing grief to their town.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    Yes, one of the men was black. That fact is conveniently left out of the Emmett Till fable.

  245. @ThreeCranes
    @John Johnson

    After all, cars can't run without power windows, power seats, ABS braking systems, little bells and gongs that remind you that you've put the transmission in reverse, back up video cameras, crank and cam position sensors, anti-skid braking systems, electric sensors that remind you to put a few pounds of pressure in your tires.

    Virtually all improvements in modern life that you speak of are cotton candy. We could easily return to the technology of the 1960's and very likely, our lives would improve. Other than the replacement of electric points with digital sensors and feedback, I don't see much gain from computers and such in the home. Certainly telephone service is worse. Customer service is non-existent today. Access to a Doctor is far worse. Food is crappier. Real wages are lower. Geewhiz computerization has succeeded in glossing over--glorifying actually--the nefarious effect of transfer of wealth from the average working class guy to Digital Moguls.

    Sure, guided missiles benefit from computerization, and engineering design work, bookkeeping, word processing and such, but how a car or stove or dishwasher or clothes dryer benefits is not easily discerned. Video gaming has created a couple generations of dweebs. Cell phones are just a nuisance. The computer internet has replaced deep reading with thinking and talking in snippets.

    Russia would do well to reject about 90% of the effects of computerization of everything in our lives. Who needs to program a computer to turn on your coffee machine?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Russian automobile production has collapsed by 97%:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/30/russias-car-manufacturing-collapses-by-97-in-may-a78151

    Could you build a car that doesn’t depend on chips? Sure – if you had 3 or 4 years to redesign one and maybe another of couple of years to build the machines that would make substitute analog parts like carburetors and vacuum operated transmissions. It wouldn’t be a very good car (airbags are not “cotton candy” – they may literally be the difference between life and death in a crash. ABS is not cotton candy. Pollution controls are not cotton candy, etc.) but it would be a car.

    But can you take a car that is being built today and still build it without the chips – almost impossible without a complete redesign. Electronics are integrated into almost every aspect of the car and the modules all talk to each other over a network and if you leave one module out the rest may not work. Let’s say you managed to replace electronic ignition with old fashioned breaker points. Ok, now your engine has spark but your dash cluster was getting RPM and vehicle speed from the ignition module (as was your transmission and fuel injection) so now they don’t work either. So now you need a carburetor and a vacuum operated transmission and a cable operated speedometer and tach, the factories for which no longer exist. And so on and on and on.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jack D

    This is, BTW, why the covid caused chip shortage has caused such havoc in the auto industry, Except in very rare cases, you can't just leave stuff out and expect a modern car to still work.

    Superficially, a modern car operates like a car from 1960 - there is an engine and a transmission and brakes and so on. The reason cars back in the day still worked was that they had very clever analog systems to control various functions - the choke would open as the car warmed up based on a bimetallic spring, there were vacuum sensors that controlled the shift points of automatic transmissions, the spark timing would advance based on centrifugal weights on the distributor shaft and so on. All these things worked (somewhat) without chips because of very cleverly designed analog systems.

    But at some point, the car was reconceived as a series of interconnected electronic digital modules and sensors and actuators communicating with each other over a network under computer control which completely replaced most of the analog systems. You still have a gas pedal that looks like gas pedals always looked, but instead of a Bowden (bicycle) cable connecting the gas pedal to the throttle plate there is a position sensor under the pedal which sends data to the car's central computer which in turn talks to the fuel injection module and the transmission and so on. The fuel injection computer is not only getting data from the pedal position sensor but from the engine and the wheel speed sensors (which also talk to the ABS module) and the oxygen sensors and blah, blah, blah. You can't just leave out parts here and there because everything depends on everything else. If you leave out even one key module the entire network may cease to operate. Sometimes there are fallbacks if a module or sensor fails (your transmission will go into a "limp home" mode where you are stuck in 2nd gear) and sometime the car may just not run at all or your dash cluster will go dead so it runs but you have no instruments.

    To unconceive of this things would require a clean sheet redesign. I'm not sure that Russia even has the talent to do this anymore (or if it ever did - the Lada was built in turnkey factory designed by Fiat and imported from Italy) - like everyone else, Russian car factories depend on Bosch and ZF and so on to supply various parts and subsystems in a worldwide network of suppliers that is almost as interconnected as the systems that are inside the car.

    And that's just the car industry. In other industries (aircraft, computers, etc.) the dependency on Western suppliers is even greater. Putin wanted to put the Soviet Union back together without putting the economy on a Soviet footing but one follows from the other.

    And no it's not just having the latest iPhone and other gadgets. It involves essential parts of the economy. Pretending that it just involves a bunch of unnecessary electronic gadgets that nobody needs is just Putinist copium. And no their "buddies" the Chinese are not going to help them out. They are having their own economic problems and are not willing to see their Western markets endangered by sanctions.

    Replies: @anarchyst, @ThreeCranes

  246. @Jack D
    @ThreeCranes

    Russian automobile production has collapsed by 97%:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/30/russias-car-manufacturing-collapses-by-97-in-may-a78151

    Could you build a car that doesn't depend on chips? Sure - if you had 3 or 4 years to redesign one and maybe another of couple of years to build the machines that would make substitute analog parts like carburetors and vacuum operated transmissions. It wouldn't be a very good car (airbags are not "cotton candy" - they may literally be the difference between life and death in a crash. ABS is not cotton candy. Pollution controls are not cotton candy, etc.) but it would be a car.

    But can you take a car that is being built today and still build it without the chips - almost impossible without a complete redesign. Electronics are integrated into almost every aspect of the car and the modules all talk to each other over a network and if you leave one module out the rest may not work. Let's say you managed to replace electronic ignition with old fashioned breaker points. Ok, now your engine has spark but your dash cluster was getting RPM and vehicle speed from the ignition module (as was your transmission and fuel injection) so now they don't work either. So now you need a carburetor and a vacuum operated transmission and a cable operated speedometer and tach, the factories for which no longer exist. And so on and on and on.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is, BTW, why the covid caused chip shortage has caused such havoc in the auto industry, Except in very rare cases, you can’t just leave stuff out and expect a modern car to still work.

    Superficially, a modern car operates like a car from 1960 – there is an engine and a transmission and brakes and so on. The reason cars back in the day still worked was that they had very clever analog systems to control various functions – the choke would open as the car warmed up based on a bimetallic spring, there were vacuum sensors that controlled the shift points of automatic transmissions, the spark timing would advance based on centrifugal weights on the distributor shaft and so on. All these things worked (somewhat) without chips because of very cleverly designed analog systems.

    But at some point, the car was reconceived as a series of interconnected electronic digital modules and sensors and actuators communicating with each other over a network under computer control which completely replaced most of the analog systems. You still have a gas pedal that looks like gas pedals always looked, but instead of a Bowden (bicycle) cable connecting the gas pedal to the throttle plate there is a position sensor under the pedal which sends data to the car’s central computer which in turn talks to the fuel injection module and the transmission and so on. The fuel injection computer is not only getting data from the pedal position sensor but from the engine and the wheel speed sensors (which also talk to the ABS module) and the oxygen sensors and blah, blah, blah. You can’t just leave out parts here and there because everything depends on everything else. If you leave out even one key module the entire network may cease to operate. Sometimes there are fallbacks if a module or sensor fails (your transmission will go into a “limp home” mode where you are stuck in 2nd gear) and sometime the car may just not run at all or your dash cluster will go dead so it runs but you have no instruments.

    To unconceive of this things would require a clean sheet redesign. I’m not sure that Russia even has the talent to do this anymore (or if it ever did – the Lada was built in turnkey factory designed by Fiat and imported from Italy) – like everyone else, Russian car factories depend on Bosch and ZF and so on to supply various parts and subsystems in a worldwide network of suppliers that is almost as interconnected as the systems that are inside the car.

    And that’s just the car industry. In other industries (aircraft, computers, etc.) the dependency on Western suppliers is even greater. Putin wanted to put the Soviet Union back together without putting the economy on a Soviet footing but one follows from the other.

    And no it’s not just having the latest iPhone and other gadgets. It involves essential parts of the economy. Pretending that it just involves a bunch of unnecessary electronic gadgets that nobody needs is just Putinist copium. And no their “buddies” the Chinese are not going to help them out. They are having their own economic problems and are not willing to see their Western markets endangered by sanctions.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @Jack D

    Thank you for your concise post.
    Today's vehicles are constrained by emission control and fuel economy mandates which require computers to perform the millisecond adjustments in order to keep emissions down and to satisfy fuel economy mandates. Without computers, today's vehicles would be nearly impossible to drive, let alone manufacture.
    One only has to remember the horrendous emission controlled vehicles of the 1970s and 1980s with their "smog pumps", leaned out carburetors, retarded timing, poor performance and other anomalies in the vehicles of the day.
    If we ever receive an EMP strike, there will be engineers (like me) with the knowledge and ability to retrofit and revert back to 1960s technology, yes, including vehicles as well.
    Regards,

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Jack D

    Most of the chips used in automobiles are not state of the art. They're run of the mill, generic chips that are a dime a dozen. I thought we were talking about Russia's being cut off from the latest design and development technology, those which may be needed in the latest communications technology or missile guidance systems etc. Any competent nation should be able to manufacture standardized chips.

    Replies: @anarchyst

  247. @Jack D
    @Jack D

    This is, BTW, why the covid caused chip shortage has caused such havoc in the auto industry, Except in very rare cases, you can't just leave stuff out and expect a modern car to still work.

    Superficially, a modern car operates like a car from 1960 - there is an engine and a transmission and brakes and so on. The reason cars back in the day still worked was that they had very clever analog systems to control various functions - the choke would open as the car warmed up based on a bimetallic spring, there were vacuum sensors that controlled the shift points of automatic transmissions, the spark timing would advance based on centrifugal weights on the distributor shaft and so on. All these things worked (somewhat) without chips because of very cleverly designed analog systems.

    But at some point, the car was reconceived as a series of interconnected electronic digital modules and sensors and actuators communicating with each other over a network under computer control which completely replaced most of the analog systems. You still have a gas pedal that looks like gas pedals always looked, but instead of a Bowden (bicycle) cable connecting the gas pedal to the throttle plate there is a position sensor under the pedal which sends data to the car's central computer which in turn talks to the fuel injection module and the transmission and so on. The fuel injection computer is not only getting data from the pedal position sensor but from the engine and the wheel speed sensors (which also talk to the ABS module) and the oxygen sensors and blah, blah, blah. You can't just leave out parts here and there because everything depends on everything else. If you leave out even one key module the entire network may cease to operate. Sometimes there are fallbacks if a module or sensor fails (your transmission will go into a "limp home" mode where you are stuck in 2nd gear) and sometime the car may just not run at all or your dash cluster will go dead so it runs but you have no instruments.

    To unconceive of this things would require a clean sheet redesign. I'm not sure that Russia even has the talent to do this anymore (or if it ever did - the Lada was built in turnkey factory designed by Fiat and imported from Italy) - like everyone else, Russian car factories depend on Bosch and ZF and so on to supply various parts and subsystems in a worldwide network of suppliers that is almost as interconnected as the systems that are inside the car.

    And that's just the car industry. In other industries (aircraft, computers, etc.) the dependency on Western suppliers is even greater. Putin wanted to put the Soviet Union back together without putting the economy on a Soviet footing but one follows from the other.

    And no it's not just having the latest iPhone and other gadgets. It involves essential parts of the economy. Pretending that it just involves a bunch of unnecessary electronic gadgets that nobody needs is just Putinist copium. And no their "buddies" the Chinese are not going to help them out. They are having their own economic problems and are not willing to see their Western markets endangered by sanctions.

    Replies: @anarchyst, @ThreeCranes

    Thank you for your concise post.
    Today’s vehicles are constrained by emission control and fuel economy mandates which require computers to perform the millisecond adjustments in order to keep emissions down and to satisfy fuel economy mandates. Without computers, today’s vehicles would be nearly impossible to drive, let alone manufacture.
    One only has to remember the horrendous emission controlled vehicles of the 1970s and 1980s with their “smog pumps”, leaned out carburetors, retarded timing, poor performance and other anomalies in the vehicles of the day.
    If we ever receive an EMP strike, there will be engineers (like me) with the knowledge and ability to retrofit and revert back to 1960s technology, yes, including vehicles as well.
    Regards,

  248. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Corvinus

    "Should they even laid a hand on him in the first place?"

    Yup, they sure should've. And whether you think he deserved what he got or just a beating (my vote is for the former), after he caught some justice, this black boy's days of assaulting White women were OVER.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    He didn’t assault her.

  249. @Jack D
    Not only is Wideman's son a murderer but his brother is also:

    https://www.duq.edu/news/releases/for-first-time-brothers-robert-wideman-author-john-edgar-wideman-to-publicly-discuss-controversial-homicide-case-

    His brother, Robert "Faruq" Wideman, finally got out of prison after 44 years in 2019. Faruq sought a new trial on the dubious grounds that his victim's family had sued the hospital for malpractice after he died, thus "proving" that it was the hospital that killed him and not the bullet wounds that were inflicted in the robbery in which Faruq participated. This and 6 other appeals didn't work but PA's lib. Dem. governor commuted his sentence anyway. Faruq is now 71 so hopefully he is no longer a threat to society.

    Wideman's son Jacob appears to have a white phenotype, which maybe shows that blackness is more than skin deep. He committed murder when he was 16 but now he is a middle aged man of 52.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/01/01/PPHX/92b4c88b-92f4-4d47-bf2f-8e14ec74b528-Jacob_Wideman.jpg?width=300&height=375&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    Jacob was attending a summer camp owned by his maternal grandmother in 1986. Part of the summer's program was a tour of Western national parks. During a stop at Yellowstone, Jacob bought a knife. On the way to the Grand Canyon, the tour stopped for the night in Flagstaff, AZ. Eric Kane and Jacob were roommates in a hotel there. After Eric went to sleep, Jacob stabbed Eric twice in the chest, leaving him to bleed to death over the next several hours and then took the group's car and $3,000 in traveler's checks and drove back to the East Coast.

    So murder runs in the family. I wonder if Emmett Till would have raped or killed someone later in life?

    John Edgar follows the common pattern of blacks who have broken out of the ghetto - he may have gotten out and joined the mainstream, even elite, world but parts of his family remained behind in the ghetto. Maybe the family's genetic propensity toward violence was what put them in the ghetto in the 1st place?

    My next door neighbor at one time was a black woman married to a white man. She had a very successful career as an executive recruiter after coming up the ranks in HR at a Fortune 100 company but she mentioned that her brother was a garbage man in New Haven, CT.

    Another similar case is that of Robert Peace. Peace, the son of a convicted murderer, was an exceedingly intelligent young man and received a scholarship to Yale. After graduation, he taught school for a while at the private Catholic school that has given him his start, but at some point returned to his family profession of drug dealing in Newark and was murdered (presumably in a drug deal gone bad). His Yale roommate wrote a best selling book about his friend.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2011/05/killed_in_apparent_drug-relate.html#:~:text=Aristide%20Economopoulos%2FThe%20Star%2DLedger,%22drug%2Dmotivated%22%20shooting.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Ralph L, @Joe Stalin, @Anon, @Anymike

    You make a point and one that needs to be paid attention to. Black criminals and desperados who commit crimes against whites often later commit crimes against black victims. One example was the youth who played the principal role in the killing of the white, middle-aged Seattle-area street musician known as Tuba Man.

    The youth served several years as a juvenile. When he was let out, he killed a 31-year-old black male nightclub patron. The victim apparently was a totally innocent person who was just an ordinary club patron.

    Dameon Williams, who was the man who assaulted white trucker Reginal Denny during the 1992 L.A. riots, later killed a black, middle aged drug dealer and now is serving a 46-year sentence. Okay, the victim was a drug dealer and addict who was running a crack house, so who cares that much? But it could have been someone else too.

  250. @Jack D
    @Jack D

    This is, BTW, why the covid caused chip shortage has caused such havoc in the auto industry, Except in very rare cases, you can't just leave stuff out and expect a modern car to still work.

    Superficially, a modern car operates like a car from 1960 - there is an engine and a transmission and brakes and so on. The reason cars back in the day still worked was that they had very clever analog systems to control various functions - the choke would open as the car warmed up based on a bimetallic spring, there were vacuum sensors that controlled the shift points of automatic transmissions, the spark timing would advance based on centrifugal weights on the distributor shaft and so on. All these things worked (somewhat) without chips because of very cleverly designed analog systems.

    But at some point, the car was reconceived as a series of interconnected electronic digital modules and sensors and actuators communicating with each other over a network under computer control which completely replaced most of the analog systems. You still have a gas pedal that looks like gas pedals always looked, but instead of a Bowden (bicycle) cable connecting the gas pedal to the throttle plate there is a position sensor under the pedal which sends data to the car's central computer which in turn talks to the fuel injection module and the transmission and so on. The fuel injection computer is not only getting data from the pedal position sensor but from the engine and the wheel speed sensors (which also talk to the ABS module) and the oxygen sensors and blah, blah, blah. You can't just leave out parts here and there because everything depends on everything else. If you leave out even one key module the entire network may cease to operate. Sometimes there are fallbacks if a module or sensor fails (your transmission will go into a "limp home" mode where you are stuck in 2nd gear) and sometime the car may just not run at all or your dash cluster will go dead so it runs but you have no instruments.

    To unconceive of this things would require a clean sheet redesign. I'm not sure that Russia even has the talent to do this anymore (or if it ever did - the Lada was built in turnkey factory designed by Fiat and imported from Italy) - like everyone else, Russian car factories depend on Bosch and ZF and so on to supply various parts and subsystems in a worldwide network of suppliers that is almost as interconnected as the systems that are inside the car.

    And that's just the car industry. In other industries (aircraft, computers, etc.) the dependency on Western suppliers is even greater. Putin wanted to put the Soviet Union back together without putting the economy on a Soviet footing but one follows from the other.

    And no it's not just having the latest iPhone and other gadgets. It involves essential parts of the economy. Pretending that it just involves a bunch of unnecessary electronic gadgets that nobody needs is just Putinist copium. And no their "buddies" the Chinese are not going to help them out. They are having their own economic problems and are not willing to see their Western markets endangered by sanctions.

    Replies: @anarchyst, @ThreeCranes

    Most of the chips used in automobiles are not state of the art. They’re run of the mill, generic chips that are a dime a dozen. I thought we were talking about Russia’s being cut off from the latest design and development technology, those which may be needed in the latest communications technology or missile guidance systems etc. Any competent nation should be able to manufacture standardized chips.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    @ThreeCranes

    You are wrong.
    The chips might not be "state of the art" but are indeed "application specific"...
    They also have to be "ruggedized" to survive the harsh automotive environment.

  251. @Renard
    @Onginer

    Wow.

    Replies: @Onginer

    I thought the same when I read that sentence.

    With allies like that who needs enemies?

  252. @ThreeCranes
    @Jack D

    Most of the chips used in automobiles are not state of the art. They're run of the mill, generic chips that are a dime a dozen. I thought we were talking about Russia's being cut off from the latest design and development technology, those which may be needed in the latest communications technology or missile guidance systems etc. Any competent nation should be able to manufacture standardized chips.

    Replies: @anarchyst

    You are wrong.
    The chips might not be “state of the art” but are indeed “application specific”…
    They also have to be “ruggedized” to survive the harsh automotive environment.

  253. @EliteCommInc.
    If the best response you have i that the young man's father was a rapist and a bad father then you don't have much of a case for crowding out or disparaging the Emiit Til case.

    And it is correct, that some service members in WWII engaged in crimes against the populations of the host countries. Trying single out service member Til Senior and the poster for the same is mighty weak.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334204/The-GIs-raped-France-We-know-mass-rape-German-women-Stalins-soldiers-Now-new-book-reveals-American-troops-committed-thousands-rapes-French-women-liberating.html

    War brings out the nastiness of human conduct unlike any other condition.

    But there was no war on that warm day in Money, Mississippi. There were np war torn buildings. There were no snipers. No living with constant fear. No suspicious kids who might be spies reporting troop location and movement. Black women were not planting bombs under the beds of their unsuspecting white employees or "intimates". Black men were being let in under cover of darkness to slit white people's throats soley for being white. There were no disappearing white men, or women carted off by blacks of any age, or gender. No crosses being burned on lawns of white people - certainly not black residents. So its a rather bizarre twist and perhaps a rather crass attempt to highlight a single black soldier in war raging Europe against the peaceful surroundings of a small off the way store and teenagers "playful" "flirtatious" conduct, if it was even that.

    Strange intellectual maturity

    Replies: @Anymike

    I have two things to say in response. The 1950s was a very violent era rife with youth and young adult violence. It wasn’t happy days and those family situation comedies were not intended to be seens as a mirror of how people lived. They were, rather, an attempt to show people how to solve their family and interpersonal problems through normative reasoning rather than histrionics and violence.

    The violent response of the men who unlawfully detained and then killed Emmett Till was more typical of the time than anyone has been told.

    Fact is, we don’t know much about Emmett Till. He may have been just playful and flirtatious. Or he may have had serious mental and behavioral problems. There is enough material there to warrant a forensic study of him. It still can be done.

    I don’t make an issue of Louis Till. Emmett Till is the topic at the moment.

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