Percentage of respondents who *would not* feel ashamed if a close family member is a gay man or a lesbian (European Social Survey, 2022)

I'd feel ashamed if I did that.

Yeah it took me a while to understand what a heck was going on.

What's a high level of acceptance gonna be?

Green! 😃

Okay good! And higher than that?

Blue! 🤪

The worst part is that the key is ordered from lowest to highest, so I thought that Russia was incredibly tolerant.

Lol came to say the same thing

I don't know. At least it provides decent contrast. Sometimes it's hard to differentiate when it's shades red to green.

It's a rainbow.

Tight tight tight, oh blue yellow pink whatever man just keep bringing me that.

It's less intuitive in terms that it takes a couple of seconds to understand but than it's pretty clear what country is in what range.

To compare it with single/double color radient maps - they might be intuitive but then you need to spend couple of second to assign which radient exactly is the specific country and sometimes the difference in shade is so small that you don't even know which range it's actually representing.

I prefer this representation tbh.

I have never seen a single data map posted to this sub about which people haven't moaned about the design.

And of course half the comments are about the colour-blind colours rather than the actual data.

Personally I like it. While at a glance it’s less clear, it’s much better for looking at individual countries

I swear there is enough material you can create a whole university course on "effective colourscheme presentations on maps"

Colourblind-friendly schemes will rise!

Though yeah this one did trip me up a bit.

When a rainbow colour scheme couldn't be a more obvious and fitting choice, too.

And im this on an iPhone, so the screen is not some cheap pos, yet the black and dark blue look way too similar.

My mind has been boggled so early in the morning, well done OP.

Neither can sweden it seems

No, The Netherlands is with you up there!

Me too, and I am german. But there is still a crazy divide in the country itself especially with regions such as Bayern, Saxony or Thuringia which are still very conservative.

Meanwhile cologne has one of the biggest CSD in Europe with almost as many participants as residents.

Yes, Germany has been a socially conservative country and that still reflects today. We were really late in decriminalizing homosexual sex (at least in the West) and in opening marriage to all.

This might change with church membership going down rapidly, but since a lot of migrants come from even more conservative or even backwards societies, it might not.

I feel like most of this is indifference rather than true shame

Sorry but youve made a far bigger error. This coloring makes 0 sense

[removed]

If you look in demographics there are parts of the population that is closer to 95% in most european countries. Imigrants from countries whos culture is homophobic lowers the overall %.

It seems to be really believable as most other nationwide polls about homosexuality, like support for same sex unions had similar results (around 50-60%) I know it looks bad compared to Western Europe but when I remember social attitudes a decade ago I’m really happy with how much progress has been made throughout the decade

There is a significant gap between our government's backwardness and society's actual ideological average that can in large part be attributed to the unfortunate fact that old people are more reliable voters.

Poland isn't that bad in general outside of politics. It's just that the geriatric, rural and strongly catholic voter bases tend to be disproportionately more active in elections, especially since priests and bishops actively encourage the Jesus fandom to vote for parties that give the church more money and power.

In my family, it's boomers and older gen x who have weird hang ups about homosexuality. Younger gen x, millennials, and zoomers are very accepting. Anyway, I'm not out to my family lmao

PiS rose up mainly on the sheer incompetence of the previous government, and won reelection because for 2015-19 they didn't really do any of the stuff they're "famous" for. And their approach to governing is "We have our parliament majority so we don't need to give a flying fuck about the opposition"

This presents the situation where they completely ignore and not represent in the slightest the values of the other half of the population. However it also very nicely sets the precedent for the opposition to do the exact same thing when they get elected, which I can't say i'm againt.

Perhaps the seething about backwards barbarian Poles is less based in reality and more in prejudice.

Yeah, I didn't expect that we would be as good as Czechs who are considered to be more "Western" than we, and I didn't expect that we would be among the best in Eastern Europe when we are considered as one of the most ideologically backward country in Europe.

Holy sheesh that’s the first thing I noticed. Gurom!

unfair advantage of having no shame at all ;).

The high amount of muslims in Sweden most likely drops the tolerance level considerably

It's just that way more Swedish respondents said they were neutral.

Well maybe the large immigration in Sweden have something to do with it. I mean, around 1 million immigrants from the Middle East and Africa must have some effect on the society

According to the Swedish government 20% of our population is born abroad. So those numbers makes perfect sense.

https://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/sverige-i-siffror/manniskorna-i-sverige/utrikes-fodda-i-sverige/

I suppose maybe the muslims (almost 10%) are less tolerant of homosexuality.

[removed]

Immigrants from "conservative" countries does that to you in various aspects.

[removed]

UK has a lot of immigrants from conservative countries, so obviously they'll have some effect.

Urk?

I just want to say thanks for your colourblind friendly map colours!

Why is it the opinion of others? How do you meean

I mean, when even the teenage fanfic writers are forced to put a disclaimer that all LGBT people appearing in their stories are mentally ill thanks to the Russian „anti-LGBT propaganda” laws, how do you expect the attitudes to ever change?

The more shit is going on inside a culture, the more they need a boogieman to distract from their problems. LGBT+ have always been a canary in the coalmine.

Wtf is wrong with Russia/Russians? Why are they so homophobic?

Cultural isolation and lack of cultural integration with the rest of Europe & Americas.

In the EU/EEA, free speech & free press and cultural integration has allowed pro-rights/anti-homophobic viewpoints to be expressed in the more conservative EU countries, which has allowed them to start converging with more liberal EU countries that had started the LGBT civil rights trajectory earlier. And same in the Americas.

OTOH, Russia is missing out on this, and the lack of democracy is exacerbating it, because there's only one source of information, and one narrative. And it's not just LGBT rights, but also how the Russian oligarchy addresses (or doesn't address) HIV, opioid addictions, etc.

And, it could also be that some people are afraid to be more pro-LGBT to a pollster.

IMO it's the Orthodox church having a tight grasp on the population. I assume this because the same goes for Romania, and most homophobic rhetoric here is tied to religion.

Prison culture. Russia is combination of gas station and big gulag, even Putin likes to use some prison slang (Fenya) to look hard and "conect" with people. It's quite funny because many "mobiks" get raped in the ass by Kadyrov's people or Wagner's ex-prison recruits...

The culture of Russia is hyper masculine, that’s why. Anything that disturbs traditional views of masculinity are a threat. Eastern European countries tend to be more traditional than western nations, and Russia was an empire and super power, you don’t get to be either without not only an acceptance of but glorification of brutality, and this requires a culture that considers the masculine to be supreme (characteristics considered to be masculine). The “feminine” must be contained to women, who should be exemplify “feminine” qualities.

Interestingly, this kind of cultural attitude doesn’t preclude women having basic rights, but it does prevent full equality in terms of respect, and notions of masculine supremacy still pervade a culture the potential to roll back women’s rights, and LGBTQ+ rights is ever present.

We are seeing this happen in both Russia and US (it’s happening state by state in the US, not at a national level like in Russia, so it’s a very mixed picture). The cold war super powers that gave women basic rights but continued to view anything hinting of the feminine, like caring for others, as weak. LGBTQ+ rights came much later than women’s rights, but there is a very strong link between them.

Wtf is wrong with Russia

That's a question we've been asking more frequently in recent times.

Ukraine is the same. If they did all the eastern European countries on this map it would look like the USSR.

I got the same question. Even my polish friends tell me to ask for LGBT asylum in Poland just to escape from Russia (also idk if Poland support LGBT asylums at all, but I assume they're)

It seems to me that there are more important problems in russia than the acceptance of lgbt

From Germany:

Old people. My grandpa (would have been over 80 by now) was VERY likely a closeted gay man. It was very taboo during his times and still is among the elderly. And with the elderly being such a large part of the population, data like this is very much unsuprising.

It ranks in the same tier as Sweden and Ireland despite being in southern Europe (typically more conservative), while also consistently scoring among top of the world in trans acceptance. I wouldn't call it embarrassing, I honestly expected way worse.

Sounds about right, even if not right.

Ah well :(

Yeah, I'm surprised. I wonder what it would look like if split up by Comunidad Autonoma.

Yeah, I was expecting more...

Oh, I remember that one. Dumbass didn't understand the question and replied "ya russkiy".

There are lots of gay male characters in popular media. Lesbians, not so much.

The map isn't about being happy, but about them feeling shame, regardless of if they support them.

Yeah and? Loads of countries participate both members and guests. Israel happens to be one of these.

https://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/about/participating_countries.html

*added link

France is though, which is interesting. More focus on integration?

The rise of right-wingers does that to you.

This is the data from 2017: https://twitter.com/ess_survey/status/1113760655411224577

These data from 2020 either are a wrong categorization by OP, or are due to a slightly higher % of Swedes saying they neither agree nor disagree with the statement, and the differences with other Nordic countries are within the margin of statistical error.

What if that's the reason