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The position of Ecbatana is no doubt in Hamadan. The Urmia position and its relationship with Takht-i Suleiman has long been disproven. c/f Article in Encyclopedia Iranica. I have also done a journal search in JSTOR and google and there is no new evidence that the city was anywhere other than Hamadan. If there is any other evidence then it needs to be provided. FOr that reason I have removed the inaccurate information.

Sagbita[edit]

I have added following paragraph to the article: So far no evidence of Median existence in Hagmatana hill has been attested. Only evidence observed in the area belong to the Parthian era afterwards. ^[1] There is no mention of Hagmatana/Ecbatana in Assyrian sources at all. Some scholars have suggested the Sagbita/Sagbat frequently mentioned in Assyrian texts in fact has been an earlier form of the Ecbatana/Hagmatana mentioned in later Greek and Achaemenid sources, as Indo-Iranian /s/ turned into /h/ in many Iranian languages. Sagbita mentioned by Assyrian sources was located in proximity of cities of Kishesim (Kar-Nergal) and Harhar (Kar-Sharrukin) ^[2]^[3]. Asoyrun 19:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

the Iranian report spoke only about the Ecbatan hills, not about the ancient Hamadan (Ecbatana) Where is found planty of evidence for the Achamenid, Median and even older era inhabitance. In addition the article itself mentioned Achamenid foundings by Du Morgan. Who has been to the Ecbatana museum can see things by his own eyes. Also take a trip to Ganjname outside Hamedan. That site is at least as old as from the Achamenid era. The S thing is alsi curious. H stands in Iranian languages here most other Indo-European languages have an S. Association of Sagbita with Hagmatana means that there have been Indo-European presence in the are PTIOR to Medians, which is doubtful. But it could be also that the name has a Mittani origin. That is possible because it is believed that Mittani elite spoke an Indic language, but again the evidence for this is very slim--Babakexorramdin (talk) 02:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

^ http://www.chnpress.com/news/?section=2&id=6905
^ I.N. Medvedskaya, Were the Assyrians at Ecbatana?, Jan, 2002 [1]
^ [2]

Confusion about connection to the Medes[edit]

I came to this page from Achmetha, which uses an old source that still maintains Ecbatana was home of the Median kings. Then I notice that Medes#Median_Empire also maintains that Ecbatana was the Median capital. I can't tell if this article directly contradicts those articles, or if it's just a matter of when Ecbatana became important, or that there is another Ecbatana. I'm also confused about the relation of Ecbatana to Hagmatana Hill, which is introduced into this article in a confusing way. Can someone clarify the issue in this article and/or update the other articles to make it more consistent? (I posted a disputed tag in the Achmetha page.) Thanks. Aristophanes68 (talk) 15:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

History?[edit]

This article says almost nothing about the history of the city. Someone the Person (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some sources:

    I arrived here on a search for more background while reading

"History of the Persian Empire", A.T. Olmstead, University of Chicago Press, 1945.

p. 65, in a chapter describing the new capital city of the new Persian Empire: "...along which he [Cyrus the Great] had watched the defeated Medes streaming back to Ecbatana."

Olmstead cites Strabo (the ancient greek geographer) xv, 3. 8.

Olmstead devotes chapter 12 to "The three capitals, Ebbatana, Babylon, and Susa".

I'm no scholar and can't weigh in on this discussion beyond suggesting these sources. Chistletoe (talk) 01:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)john tucker dec 2011Reply[reply]

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Vonones sent emissaries?[edit]

I have to call "BOGUS" on this one...

Micah 5:2-3 reads, "As for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, seemingly insignificant among the clans of Judah - from you a king will emerge who will rule over Israel on my behalf, one whose origins are in the distant past. So the LORD will hand the people of Israel over to their enemies until the time when the woman in labor gives birth. Then the rest of the king's countrymen will return to be reunited with the people of Israel." There is nothing there that would tell Vonones, nor anyone else, that the king of the Jews would be born anywhere near the stated "upon the dawn of the first century, 1 AD."
Vonones was not minting coins by 1 AD. See Vonones I. He did not ascend to the Parthian throne until 8 AD. At the time he was supposed to be minting coins and sending emissaries, according to this article, he was a prisoner of Rome to ensure his father kept the treaty he had made with Augustus.
There is nothing in Matthew's account that says the magi (i.e. Oriental astrologers) were sent by anyone, but rather infers that they acted upon their own accord, interpreting celestial signs.

If I figure out the template, I will mark the sentence. Sollupulo (talk) 09:49, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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[2] I.N. Medvedskaya, Were the Assyrians at Ecbatana?, Jan, 2002 [1]

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