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So what actually happened to Barry Allen after Crisis on Infinite Earths?

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Barry Allen is many people’s favourites Flash, the Second man to take the mantle and the version of the character most well known to the general audience.

One of Barry’s most famous moments was his sacrifice and death in Crisis on Infinite Earths, he gave his life to save the earth and then many years later Barry returned.

However what was Barry doing during his “death”. Since the moment he died we have seen a variety of interpretations and ideas of what happened to Barry following his sacrifice.

This post will be showing the 4 main interpretations on what happened to him.

1) Disintegration

During Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985) Issue 7 Barry tries to stop the Anti-Monitor’s Anti-Matter Cannon (try saying that 5 times fast) during this Barry dies, his body seemingly disintegrating leaving behind only his Flash ring and Suit which are later inherited by his nephew and future flash Wally West

2) Becoming the Lightning Bolt that struck him

In Secret Origins (1985) Annual #2 we see a potential alternate take to what happened to Barry. In this we see Barry once again running to stop the Anti-Matter cannon. While doing this he begins to see moments from his life and eventually he becomes the lightning bolt that struck him and gave him his powers to begin with.

This doesn’t directly contradict 1. Barry’s physical body was destroyed leaving behind his suit and ring while his energy, his spirit carried on becoming pure energy and eventually the lightning bolt.

If it was left here all would be fine… but it’s DC comics and they will never leave well enough alone

3) Joining the Speedforce

During the legendary Mark Waid run on The Flash he introduced the idea of the Speed force, a never ending energy source that gave speedster their immense powers. If a speedster reaches a certain speed they will enter the Speedforce and likely never return. The first time we see this was in the Dead Heat crossover event with the flash and impulse books.

Both times this happens, Johnny Quick in Impulse (1996) issue 11 and then Savitar in Flash (1987) Issue 111 no clothes are left behind, no rings. Nothing.

However it is claimed Barry joined the Speedforce, that his “death” was just him joining Speedster heaven, we even see him with Wally in the speed force in The Flash (1987) Issue 150.

So what happened to Barry, did he become pure energy, leave his outfit behind and strike himself or join the speedforce?

It is once again possible to try and align these ideas, maybe Barry’s suit was left behind due to something to do with the Anti-Matter cannon.

It is possible to view these 3 accounts as 1, so I’m glad DC left it there and didn’t keep adding to what happened to Barry…. And then Kevin Smith wrote Green Arrow in 2001

4) Going to Heaven

During Green Arrow (2001) Issue 7 Oliver Queen and Hal Jordon venture to Heaven (or an aspect of it) and while there Ollie meets his old ‘friend’ Barry Allen the flash. Who for some reason is running around heaven. Aware that Wally is now the flash (likely due to meeting versions of Wally from his future before dying) and says “(Wally) taps into something he calls the Speedforce” which doesn’t sound like someone who was a part of the thing for at least a decade at this rate would say.

So is the speedforce heaven? Can Speedsters run between the 2 at will, is the legion of running speedster we see in Chain Lightning just a work out for those in heaven, a place to run for a few years before going to “main” heaven to see your other friend and family.

It is unclear, but it seems that this is where Barry is now Barry died in crisis, possibly ran with the speed force and went to heaven all sorted…. then Infinite Crisis (2005) came out

5) He’s Still in the speed force

Infinite Crisis issue 5 (2005) shows us that Barry Allen is perhaps still somehow in the speed force, while trying to stop Superboy Prime Wally and Bart attempt to race him into the Speedforce. While doing this and feeling outnumbered Bart (now on his own) is helped by residents of the Speedforce Max, Johnny Quick and Barry Allen.

Following this we see all of them walking around a different earth making up the plan to give Bart all of the speedforce. Which of course raises the possibility that all of these men could leave the Speedforce whenever they wanted and chose to stay and then rejoin the speedforce following this

So it appears that Barry left the speed force temporarily during infinite crisis and then joined again after (although we don’t know since we ever see this- just Bart being given the flash ring by Wally who is then sent to a different dimension)

Barry’s Return

Eobard thawne takes credit for Barry Allen’s return, saying he sent a “pulse into the speedforce to lure him out” in Flash Rebirth (2009) issue 4. Which seems to imply Barry rejoined the Speed force following it’s return after Bart’s death (and raises the question on if Barry spent a few months in a alternate universe before his revival or if he was somehow sent back to the speedforce after Bart absorbed it all)

We don’t have much time to ponder Barry’s many fates and death as only a few years later Flashpoint happened and we will likely not touch on this aspect of Barry’s life again

The much needed Conclusion

So that was the many fates of Barry Allen, can these all coexist, is there one you prefer, is there one you really dislike?

While I like the scene with Ollie, Hal and Barry in heaven it does mess with the idea of what happened to Barry (and makes you wonder if there is a version of him pre-crisis just running around)

You also might be wondering what the point of all this is… there isn’t one really I just thought it would be interesting

TLDR; what happened to Barry after Crisis? He was Ash > Lightning > In Speedster Heaven > Actual Heaven > Speedster Heaven again > Alive again to mess with the timeline

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u/Astonishing_Flash avatar

Being in the speed force would be the most lore consistent with Flash lore.

Between the Black Flash, Johnny in the Speed Force, Max in there as well, Max when communicating with people in the Speed Force also talked to Barry (that happened in Impulse's series), etc.

This would just line up the best with how the other characters and the mythos in general treats death for speedsters.

And while Barry dying before the Speed Force lore was fully conceptualized means that there are inconsistencies I'd just consider those as being retconned out.

He's constantly referenced as having become energy when he died.

So that's the start. If you really want to you can combine the struck himself and Speed Force pretty easily. By becoming one with the speed force he becomes one with the infinite lightning and could thus technically be part of the bolt that struck him to become a user of the speed force.

In fact in Justice League (I forget the issue) it showcases Barry as joining the Speed Force and being the lightning bolt that struck himself, Wally, impacted Jay, etc. With the statement being that "there are no accidents".

We also have to consider that John's also introduced the idea that Barry created the speed force. Which opens another door to the issue.

As for the no clothes thing, Wally did end up abandoning his costume the same way during Zero Hour (I know you know he ended time traveling but the principle is the same). It could be just that their costumes are extraordinarily durable and don't become part of the force. Which also not even entirely true because Barry has a suit in the speed force even after giving it to Bart.

Kevin Smith I think just wasn't familiar with Flash lore. I think there's points that his general DC knowledge wasn't as extensive as the cameos he made.

As for if Barry rejoined the speed force when Bart absorbed its implied he did. When Bart is told all the speed force is inside of him during the FMA series it has an overlay of all the dead speedsters.

End of the day speed force works the best and anything else should be considered with how it contradicts that one.

u/raizen_maziku avatar
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Kinda crazy.

So to give context... a friend at school told me to check flash out. This was when it was on TV in real time. Like 2014. I never gotta chance to see the first episode. I'm now watching that episode now and its crazy how close we are to that actual date....

Dude its almost like Barry's life is a time loop over and over. See this is exactly why you don't fuck with time. Now from the beginning of when he was a child he was destined for this to happen in his life. DO NOT TIME TRAVEL. I just mean in general. Its such a wild concept. its kinda crazy that he brings up the lightning theory. He is the lightning that gave himself powers. I'm curious. So in order to possibly save himself or help himself he has to do that to himself basically forever.

u/raizen_maziku avatar

I might be a little off with what I was describing but the concept of time travel is always fascinating. Because essentially we pretty much understand how it works

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u/Mykk6788 avatar

Didn't Final Crisis answer this and show he's been running away from the Black Racer all along?

u/IHavePoopedBefore avatar

That actually would have been the coolest way to bring him back. If they had never featured him in other stories until Final Crisis and it was revealed he's been outrunning death (Black Racer) this whole time

u/Mykk6788 avatar

He kind of was. I looked a bit further into it and the answer is split between Flash Rebirth and Final Crisis. He was essentially part of the Speedforce until Thawne disrupted it in Rebirth. This disconnected Barry from being part of it, but after that he's essentially been running from death, The Black Racer.

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u/PropertyAdditional avatar

It would have been however Flash Rebirth has Eobard reference Barry’s time in the speed force, the time he helped fight Superboy prime and claims he “drew Barry out of the speedforce” so he was apparently in the speed force just prior to Final Crisis and the RF drew him out which caused the Black Racer to chase him (which he didn’t do during Bart’s flashbacks set during infinite crisis)

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He joined the Marvel Universe as "Buried Alien".

So take the return of Barry Allen, and then work back to the last reality-shifting event (probably Infinite Crisis off the top of my head). So one of the effects or esults is that the nature of Barry's death was changed. He basically ran and his body disintegrated, but a new body (and costume) was formed for him in the Speed Force, and that's where he stayed until drawn back out.

Other sightings were rendered moot after that reality shift.

That said, the heaven thing could be interpreted as heaven providing a version of Barry to communicate the information to Ollie and Hal.

Leave it to Kevin Smith to ruin something by using it as toilet paper. Sorry to any of his fans, not one myself.

I think your best bet is that none of that happened, and to pretty much just ignore that, you know any of that, lol. As in, it's no longer canon, when DC did the complete rehash, refresh and overhaul of/with "The New 52", which occurred in 2011 btw, it kinda just wiped the slate clean at that point, and they started anew. They took what they felt were the best and most popular story arcs and origin stories of those elite top 52 characters and started over and fresh.

Trapped in the Speed Force read flash reborn

u/PropertyAdditional avatar

I think you mean Flash Rebirth, but my point is that a few different sources seem to contradict that, like Green Arrow (2001)

it's called retcon

u/PropertyAdditional avatar

Yes but some of these are events written by the same writer. Within a few years of each other that raises the what the writers were thinking.

This post is just outlining all the variety of fates for Barry, like him being in heaven, the speed force and simply being dead

Ohhh Is for that ohhh

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u/PropertyAdditional avatar

And even if you ignore Green arrow you have to wonder why Barry rejoined the speed force

Eh ?

u/PropertyAdditional avatar

Barry is seen to leave the speedforce during infinite crisis but for some reason rejoins before final crisis which raises a few questions of why and how

Morrison Is the only answer one I need

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u/ShanksbestYonko avatar

I believe that Barry ran back in time during COIE and then became the lightning bolt which then his body ascended to the speed force with his soul going to heaven and the time he came back in infinite crisis was essentially RF fusing his soul and body into the speedforce which then later he would of escaped

u/ShanksbestYonko avatar

or him going in the speedster heaven is the same as him normally going into heaven but just his perception of what heaven is

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