Illegitimate Children that have been granted Peerages and Baronetcies
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S. S.
Apr 6, 2024, 12:54:07 AMApr 6
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I was wondering if anyone could contribute the names of illegitimate persons who have been granted a peerage or baronetcy.
The first set that comes to mind are the children of Charles II, viz. Duke of Monmouth; Earl of Plymouth; Duke of Southampton; Duke of Grafton; Duke of Northumberland; Duke of St Albans; Duke of Richmond and Lennox.
The eldest illegitimate son of William IV, the Earl of Munster.
The illegitimate son of the 1st Marquess of Waterford, the 1st Viscount Beresford.
The illegitimate son of the 5th Duke of Devonshire, Sir Augustus Clifford, 1st Bt.
Other examples?
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S. S.
Apr 6, 2024, 1:02:34 AMApr 6
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Here are a few more:
Sir Albemarle Bertie, 1st Bt, illegitimate son of the 3rd Duke of Ancaster and Kesteven.
Sir Albemarle Bertie, 1st Bt, illegitimate son of the 3rd Duke of Ancaster and Kesteven.
1st Earl FitzHardinge and 1st Baron FitzHardinge, illegitimate children of the 5th Earl of Berkeley (who were both born prior to a recognizable legal marriage).
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marquess
Apr 6, 2024, 3:20:16 AMApr 6
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Strictly speaking would the Dukes of Beaufort be suitable for this list? Illegitimate line of John of Gaunt. 11th Earl of Thanet, illegitimate issue created Baron Hothfield.
3rd Earl of Egremont, Illegitimate issue created Baron Leconfield.
dpth...@gmail.com
Apr 6, 2024, 4:48:02 AMApr 6
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The 1st Lord Castletown was illegitimate son of the 2nd Earl of Upper Ossory.
Henry VIII's illegitimate son was created Duke of Richmond and Somerset.
Edward IV's illegitimate son was created Viscount Lisle.
Henry II's illegitimate son was created Earl of Salisbury.
George I's illegitimate daughter was created Countess of Walsingham.
Henry VIII's illegitimate son was created Duke of Richmond and Somerset.
Edward IV's illegitimate son was created Viscount Lisle.
Henry II's illegitimate son was created Earl of Salisbury.
George I's illegitimate daughter was created Countess of Walsingham.
dpth...@gmail.com
Apr 6, 2024, 4:59:44 AMApr 6
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Edward Bruce, Earl of Carrick, had an illegitimate son who was also later created Earl of Carrick.
James V's illegitimate son Robert was created Earl of Orkney, while his illegitimate son John was created Lord Darnley, and his illegitimate son James was created Earl of Moray.
Andrew Stewart, 1st Lord Avandale, was probably illegitimate, though his parents might have married outside the church somehow.
James V's illegitimate son Robert was created Earl of Orkney, while his illegitimate son John was created Lord Darnley, and his illegitimate son James was created Earl of Moray.
Andrew Stewart, 1st Lord Avandale, was probably illegitimate, though his parents might have married outside the church somehow.
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Apr 6, 2024, 5:07:50 AMApr 6
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The two eldest sons of the 5th Earl of Berkeley were ruled illegitimate, though their parents had had some form of marriage before they were born, and they were both created Peers.
John Bourke, illegitimate son of 3rd Earl of Clanricarde, was created Viscount Bourke of Clanmories, while his illegitimate uncle John Bourke was created Baron of Leitrim.
John Bourke, illegitimate son of 3rd Earl of Clanricarde, was created Viscount Bourke of Clanmories, while his illegitimate uncle John Bourke was created Baron of Leitrim.
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Apr 6, 2024, 5:12:33 AMApr 6
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George Douglas, illegitimate son of 1st Earl of Douglas, was created Earl of Angus.
marquess
Apr 6, 2024, 6:42:04 AMApr 6
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Sir John Savile eldest illegitimate son of 8th earl of Scarbrough was created Baron Savile of Rufford in the County of Nottingham in 1888
dpth...@gmail.com
Apr 6, 2024, 7:19:06 AMApr 6
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Thomas Egerton, illegitimate son of Sir Richard Egerton, of Ridley, Cheshire; cr 1603 Lord Ellesmere, cr 1616 Viscount Brackley
William Henry Nassau, Earl of Rochford, was illegitimate son of Fredrik Hendrik Prince of Orange-Nassau.
Andrew Keith, Lord Dingwall, was illegitimate son of Hon. Robert Keith.
William Henry Nassau, Earl of Rochford, was illegitimate son of Fredrik Hendrik Prince of Orange-Nassau.
Andrew Keith, Lord Dingwall, was illegitimate son of Hon. Robert Keith.
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Apr 6, 2024, 8:15:10 AMApr 6
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Some illegitimate persons who were created Baronets:
Edmund PECK, 1864 BUCKLEY, of Dinas Mawddwy, cr Baronet 1868 (16 Apr 1834-31 Mar 1910)
Sir Thomas Butler, of Cloughgrenan, d.ca 1640?, illegitimate son of Hon. Edmund Butler; cr Baronet [I] 1628
Sir Donald Campbell, of Ardnamurchan and of Airds, cr Baronet [S] 1628, d.1651
Sir Thomas Leigh HARE, of Stow Hall, cr Baronet 1905 (4 Apr 1859-22 Feb 1941)
John INGILBY, cr Baronet 1781 (1758-13 May 1815)
John LISTER-KAYE, cr Baronet 1812, d.28 Feb 1827
Sir Edward Loftus, of Mount Loftus, cr Baronet [I] 1768 (ca 1742-bur 17 May 1818)
James Abercrombie Hamilton, cr Baronet 1709, d.14 Nov 1724
Sir Charles Hastings, cr Baronet 1806, d.30 Sep 1823
Sir Charles Herbert, later Sheffield, cr Baronet 1755 (ca 1706-5 Sep 1774)
Sir John Beresford, cr Baronet 1814 (1766 [1769?]-2 Oct 1844)
Sir Henry Rich, of Sunning [Sonning], cr Baronet 1863 (1803-5 Nov 1869)
Sir Alexander Livingston, of Glentirran, cr Baronet [S] 1685, d.Jul 1698
Edmund PECK, 1864 BUCKLEY, of Dinas Mawddwy, cr Baronet 1868 (16 Apr 1834-31 Mar 1910)
Sir Thomas Butler, of Cloughgrenan, d.ca 1640?, illegitimate son of Hon. Edmund Butler; cr Baronet [I] 1628
Sir Donald Campbell, of Ardnamurchan and of Airds, cr Baronet [S] 1628, d.1651
Sir Thomas Leigh HARE, of Stow Hall, cr Baronet 1905 (4 Apr 1859-22 Feb 1941)
John INGILBY, cr Baronet 1781 (1758-13 May 1815)
John LISTER-KAYE, cr Baronet 1812, d.28 Feb 1827
Sir Edward Loftus, of Mount Loftus, cr Baronet [I] 1768 (ca 1742-bur 17 May 1818)
James Abercrombie Hamilton, cr Baronet 1709, d.14 Nov 1724
Sir Charles Hastings, cr Baronet 1806, d.30 Sep 1823
Sir Charles Herbert, later Sheffield, cr Baronet 1755 (ca 1706-5 Sep 1774)
Sir John Beresford, cr Baronet 1814 (1766 [1769?]-2 Oct 1844)
Sir Henry Rich, of Sunning [Sonning], cr Baronet 1863 (1803-5 Nov 1869)
Sir Alexander Livingston, of Glentirran, cr Baronet [S] 1685, d.Jul 1698
On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 2:54:07 AM UTC-5 S. S. wrote:
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Apr 6, 2024, 8:16:15 AMApr 6
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Slightly off-topic, but:
Unusual cases of titles containing a remainder to illegitimate descendants:
to the son of grantee's illegitimate son: the Ochterlony Baronetcy of 1823
remainder including an illegitimate son: Wilmot of Osmaston Baronetcy (1772)
Barony of Lucas of Shenfield included grantee's illegitimate brother in remainder
the Coote Baronetcy of 1774 included a remainder to grantee's illegitimate son
Unusual cases of titles containing a remainder to illegitimate descendants:
to the son of grantee's illegitimate son: the Ochterlony Baronetcy of 1823
remainder including an illegitimate son: Wilmot of Osmaston Baronetcy (1772)
Barony of Lucas of Shenfield included grantee's illegitimate brother in remainder
the Coote Baronetcy of 1774 included a remainder to grantee's illegitimate son
On Saturday, April 6, 2024 at 2:54:07 AM UTC-5 S. S. wrote:
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Apr 6, 2024, 8:23:37 AMApr 6
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also two of James II's natural sons were made dukes.
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Apr 6, 2024, 9:48:11 AMApr 6
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"Strictly speaking would the Dukes of Beaufort be suitable for this list?"
Maybe not the whole line, or the dukes themselves, but certainly some of their family qualify. Two of the first-generation Beauforts were made peers (Somerset, and Exeter). They were illegitimate when born even though they may have been later legitimized.Then, a bit later, Henry Beaufort, Duke of Somerset (d.1464) had an illegitimate son, Charles, who was created Earl of Worcester, and who was ancestor of the later Dukes of Beaufort.
S. S.
Apr 6, 2024, 12:28:39 PMApr 6
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Thank you marquess and especially Paul, your input has greatly helped me in assembling my various appendices (including this one) for the Complete Peerage re-write.
S.S.
Windemere
Apr 6, 2024, 5:07:40 PMApr 6
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These later (and present-day) Dukes of Beaufort, as mentioned above, descended from Charles, Earl of Worcester, illegitimate (but later likely legitimised) son of Henry Beaufort, Duke of Somerset, are believed to have a male-line Plantagenet descent. However, their DNA apparently doesn't match that of the recently discovered and reburied remains reputed to be those of King Richard III.
dpth...@gmail.com
Apr 7, 2024, 4:52:54 AMApr 7
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If that is their scientific result, it still leaves lots of questions. Somewhere in their agnatic ancestry someone was not fathered by the man believed to be their father, but that could have happened in any of the many generations of Beaufort/Somersets.
Besides that, there is another possibility based on the information you give, which is that Richard III or his father, or grandfather, etc. were not fathered by the persons generally accepted as their fathers.
Presumably it would take a lot more testing to determine which is the case, and where the break occurred.
Besides that, there is another possibility based on the information you give, which is that Richard III or his father, or grandfather, etc. were not fathered by the persons generally accepted as their fathers.
Presumably it would take a lot more testing to determine which is the case, and where the break occurred.
https:/www.maltagenealogy.com/LeighRayment/
Apr 7, 2024, 9:31:23 PMApr 7
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hence why the Royal Family does not partake in any DnA testing..
Plenty of rumours of paternity over the centuries, which could uncover the real truth. Though each sitting of parliament rules on succession of the new monarch outrules any testing that may partake in the future.
Grzegorz Piech
Apr 8, 2024, 11:18:51 AMApr 8
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Richard of York was born about 20 July 1385[1] at Conisbrough Castle, Yorkshire, the second son of Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York, and his first wife, Isabella of Castille. On his father's side, he was the grandson of King Edward III and Philippa of Hainault, and on his mother's side, the grandson of Peter the Cruel, King of Castile and León, and his favourite mistress, María de Padilla (died 1361). His godfather was King Richard II.[2] There is no record of his birth or baptism and others put his birth in about 1375. Richard II was at York on 20 July 1385, and in 1375 the future king was only eight years old; it was unlikely he would have been a godfather at that age, and with his father still alive.[3]
Richard was twelve years younger than his brother, Edward. Strangely, Richard received no lands from his father and was mentioned neither in his father's will nor his brother's will. This circumstance has been taken by G.L. Harriss as an indication that Richard's father and brother did not recognize him as a full blood relative, and that he may have been the child of an illicit liaison between his mother and the king's half-brother John Holland.[4] This theory gained new life following the DNA studies of the remains of Richard III in 2014
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