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hello, everyone. at this hour, president biden's trillion dollar problem now before the supreme court, and the fate of the student loan forgiveness plan in their hands. >> plus people are waking up from winter storms coast the coast and people in california seeing six feet of snow. the final moments of the alex murdaugh trial as the jury is about to head to the scene of
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the crime. that is what we are watching this hour. hello, everyone, thank you for being here, i'm kate bolduan. right now the supreme court is hearing the arguments for two cases that are at the heart of americans. at the heart of it is the biden administration student loan forgiveness program. the argument is that the president overstepped his authority here when he said he would give up to $20 million in student debt. that is a lot of money for a lot of people and hanging in legal limbo today. signs of how much interest there is in the court decision, take a look at the crowds out in front of the court this morning. jessica snyder is also live outside of the supreme court as this is playing out. she is joining us now. jessica, you are listening to the first hour-ish of oral arguments. what are you hearing? >> the justices are zeroing in on the price tag of the program,
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and whether the president way of the extensive program. these are the numbers. 40 million students are eligible, and 26 million have applied so far, an 16 million approved, but it is all on hold since the lower courts here put this program on hold. now, they are waiting for a decision from the supreme court, but the key y y y y y y y s $40 billion which is the price tag of this progra. given the price tag of the program, the conservative and to have congress forgive this debt and not the president. here are the chief justices. >> most casual ob ser svers say that if you are going to act on
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this, it is for the congress, and if you are going to act on it, it is not just something that the president should undertake on their own. >> reporter: and a solicitor general here arguing for the biden administration has been repeatedly pushing back on this point saying that the education secretary does have something under the power of the heroes act to wave some of the debt from millions of the students, and that this education secretary po pwer because of th debt emergency limitations. but we have seen this court has blocked programs that the biden administration put into effect with covid. we saw it with the eviction moratorium, and the vaccination testing program with large employees, aed they blocked that.
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so it is quite likely if they can overcome this hurdle of standing which is another issueses in this case. the question on the line is for these millions of borrowers if their debt will be eventually forgiven. >> thank you, jessica. we will continue to listen to arguments, but as jessica said, there is a lot on the line, and the impact could be immediate. christine romans is looking at the financial impact of this for what happens. >> this is for millions of people. 26 million have applied for this program, and 16 million approved. and people under 30 are more likely to have the student loan debt, but also, 1/4 is held for people over 50. >> that is fascinating. >> so it is cutting through all people, and for most people it
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is $10,000, but if you are a pell grant recipient, it is going to be $20,000 and they really want to help the low income earners who are held back of the debt income, because it is holding them back from the middle income. this is important to get people back into the med middle-class and can't get there because of the payments. if the supreme court says no and the debt forgiveness goes away, the payments will presume unless they decide to put another pause in there, and there have been eight pauses so far, and if you have debt, and those payments will start to accrue with interest. so it is time to start budgeting. >> i love the cnn headlines on this is how student loan debt became a trillion dollar problems for americans, and it is shining a problem on student
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loan debt that we have talked about often, and how did we get here? >> one of the arguments against the student loan forgiveness is that it is not going to fix the problem, but it is wiping away some of the problem, but not the structural problem. and this is to help people get to college and get a degree to get into and out of the middle-class. and tuition has risen, and people have gotten debt, and then they don't get the degree, and that is the worst thing that you can happen, and then you don't have a college degree. so you have to debt and you don't have the degree, and it is awful. it is hard to get out from under that, and that the problem that we have to fix. we are talking about this point that it is the band-aid on the core of the problem which is the
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kind of problem for the white house. >> and they have been using authorities they have at the education department to try to figure out how to have people pay less of the income for their student loan payments every month, and then at some point after 10 or 20 years they are wiped out, and this is something that is a real relief that the white house is working on that has nothing to do with the supreme court right now, and that may end up being the more appropriate long-term fix for this. >> interesting. we will see what is coming here and coming up on this, because it is an important day. joining me is the chief correspondent dana bash and also, the consultant to the white house on this issue in the past, steve, and what you seeing here? >> yes, two at stake here. one is for the program itself.
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we have heard this morning in the arguments that there are a number of vej tijs of the legalitiment and another part that is technical, but no less important. but like any other policy from this and any other question of the stand-ins from missouri and the other parties if they are the proper parties, and that matters, because if the justices say yes on the way to reach to the le tall ti of the program, they say that these guys, the private parties can sue, that is going to open the doors to more lawsuitts, and not against any future biden policies, but any future republican party suits. >> i want to ask that as a long
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term trend on this, but first the. dana, it is the same question as i asked steve, but what is at stake politically? >> a lot. for the most part the biden administration believes it is incredibly helpful politically, and that is why the president did it back before the midterm elections, and there is a belief in a lot of democratic political issues that it is one of issues that helped them in the midterm election, and the biggest of course is what happened with dobbs, the roe v. wade being overturned, but it is actually quite interesting in that despite the fact that you would think that this is an animating issue, and it s. we have seen
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that for a long time, and within the electorate, it is not entirely clear cut, because there are some and tlb are those who are not thrilled with this, and they say why are the stuns get the loan forgiveness? what about people who borrow money for their businesses or borrow money for a house. it goes on and on for a houts and that is to go for it, because the political benefit outweighed the deficit from within the party. >> okay. well put. steve, it is an issue within thb cates, and you say it is not key this to this when you are
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looking more broadly, and what is this trend that you are tracking, and what is the trend that you are looking at? >> yes, the trend is undeniable. the state of texas has filed almost three dozen law soots to challenge them in the first two items that any time the president of any party takes the steps to indirectly affect any state, which this polly will -- that would how we have hist
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program removed. but what they have the grapple with is if this is going to limit the stand-s in and if it justifies the vis-a-vis the political branches or, right, if this is a political dispute, and if there is such broad opposition to the policy, and the right place for the opposition to be ventilated at is the ballot fox, that the why this is a significantly important program. >> dana, this is not just an issue for the people just out of college, but nearly, 2/3 of the debt is for those 50 and older, and so it is important, and we knew it was an important issue in last cycle, and campaign
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promise that biden is making, and how important is the student forgiveps daet do you have. >> i ing a sure that the studen loan debt is so large that it is not something that you take on into the 20dz, but it is going to last into the middle age according to the figures, and so it is a lifelong issue, and it is threw that what christine and so this a big deal of what happened in the past, a whether and where is this going to be a structural issue where people have so much debt in order to
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get a basic college education or even graduate education. that is something that they tried to push to the forefront, and it was in democratic process in 2020. if you have heard the chief justice there talking about the fact that this is something that congress need to deal with, and we have heard it so many time br but will they deal with these issues. >> it is to great that you are here. take ak loot a these snow trucks, snowplow, and the e ha run out of true there and now we have a look at the prescription meds.
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this. >> and now ww we go to ohio fore latest in ohio. and now what residents are hearing from the state and local officials. >> elizabeth, walk us through the new data. >> right, kate. so what scholars the researchers did at carnegie mellon did is to look at the chemicals that the epa is measuring in air. they said for nine of them the levels were higher than they should be, and they were concerned that there could possibly be risks to people living in the area. they focused on a chemical called acrolein used to control rodents and plants and other things. it is toxic, and they were concerned that there might be issues there with the irritation of membranes and other issues, and so these professors were
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concerned about this. the epa said, look, we will let them say it in their own words, as the epa put out a statement saying that the long term risks put out by the analysis at the university, meaning that a lifetime exposure over approximately 70 years, the epa does not anticipate that the levels of the chemicals will be staying high for anywhere near that. so kate, it is really something. this is happening a lot with the environmental issues that people, smart people are going to disagree, and nobody is ill intended, but you can look at the numbers and see different things. >> thank you, elizabeth. >> coming up for us, they are in pretty much everything that we use, every electronic, and now the new battleground between the u.s. and china. that is next.
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unfortunately, there are those in our ranks that must be done to provide support to the families of our fallen comrades. >> that is vladimir putin acknowledging the fallen soldiers in their rank for what he calls the service in the war against ukraine. he also laid out the vision of
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the agency which is to step up what he calls the increase of sabotage efforts of russia on the west, and putin warning that the information critical to russian, to russia's defenses needs to be protected. we will go there right now, and -- sorry, we are getting new information getting in. we will turn to ukraine and going from russia to ukraine where the ukrainian troops are calling situation in the east much worse than initially reported. one soldier claims that the russian forces in bakhmut had been cut off, but he says that the situation is much more difficult. and janet yellen made an unannounced trip to kyiv where she met with president zelenskyy, and what is the
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latest? >> well, soldiers are describing to us, ukrainian soldiers of a town that has been under siege for several week, kate. what they are saying is happening now it is not the most battled hardened and battle ready troops piling in, but the most elite of the wagner mercenary forces coming in huge numbers, and that is what the soldiers are saying is happening, and that is the town encircled and this is a claim that russians are making that the way to get all of the way around the town to cut it off, and it would be extremely important win for moscow and strategically as well to take a hold of the donetsk region, and yet they are holding firm and despite all of the muddy conditions, the flooding, the impossible roads for many of them. what they are saying as well,
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they are coming under hundreds of military barrages as the russian forces are trying to break through their defenses and encircle them and cut them off, but for the time being, that is not the case. kate. >> thank you, melissa. a father of a u.s. veteran killed in ukraine described his son as very strong sense of what is right and wrong. state department confirms that andrew peters died february 16th. the afghanistan war veteran joined the international leegio of ukraine that was formed by president zelenskyy, and in a statement, petr's parents said this, he felt that he should use the combat skills to help the ukrainian people fight and liberate their country. he was 28 years old. we'll be right back. sometimes you're so busy taking care of everyone else you don't do enough for yourself, or your mouth.
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they have some of the smallest pieces of technology, but they are important, semiconductor chips. they are important for phones, cars, computers and you name it. and now biden administration is trying to beat out china to be the global leader to produce these. jeremy is at the white house. you spoke to the commerce secretary about this chips initiative and what did she say? >> one of the things that the commerce secretary wanted to be crystal clear about, it is a
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national security initiative to make sure that the u.s. is not reliant on the foreign producers for the advanced chips that are essential for a whole range of issues for commercial applications, and key military technologies as well, but one of the things that secretary ramondo told us that to meet the security goals is to make sure that the u.s. will have a workforce to meet the need. so the u.s. is opening up subsidies for chips manufacturers in the united states, and making sure that companies applying for the funds, they have to lay out how they will meet some of the workforce development goals in terms of planning to work with the educational institutions to provide the training to ensure there is that highly skilled workforce to be able to produce the chips rn schips. they will be working with the diversity of the chips manufacturing, and also the construction of the chips manufacturing plants to require
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from 120 to 140,000 construction workers to build all of the plants according to the commerce secretary. they are also trying to meet some key domestic policy plan as well. any applicant applying for more than $150 million in funding from the chips program is also going to have to ensure they lay out how they intend to provide some access to child care whether on site or child care subsidies for the workforce with the goal of diversifying the workforce and making sure they are attractive jobs so that the u.s. can have enough people to be in these positions to meet the national security goals, but that is the big picture of the national security positions are key that secretary ramando wanted to convey.
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and now, as we look into this situation of china tonight is culminating in a committee of strategic competition between the u.s. and china. our next guest is democratic congresswoman coming in to talk about the chips act as jeremy dimon was pushing through, and it is sounding like on paper, very good, the u.s. outcompeting china in a key industry, and why are you convinced that it is going to work? >> well, the remainder of this, kate, is that we innovated the microchips in the united states of america, and at point we were making 40% oft them them here. and now we make less than 10%. and so we are seeing the ramifications of the chip shortage, and i am enthusiastic
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to be the lead author of the chips bill, and we have bolstered science and technology, and we are investing in the work component of phase two. and we want to be leading by manufacturing and made in the united states of america, and it sounds good to say, but we have to have the strategies in order to do it. >> i am sure that you agree with the commerce secretary that jamie is laying out that she views this as a national security issue. given the higenned tension of the u.s. and china right now, are you concerned that the push is going to inflame things more rather than bring the temperature down? >> well, look, we are a manufacturing destination. nobody should be after friday of competition, and no one and
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reality is that we don't want to be overly reliant on any country for goods, materials or components. that is what is happening with chips. it was a wake-up call. the components i am bringing to the committee as a manufacturing policy expert in the midwest, what do we need to get in front of for the next round of r&d, anquan tum competicompeting, an we see as far as what is going into the automobiles. it is exciting, but it is part of the wake-up call. i just heard from the group and anything that supplied from graphite is coming from saf fit. i have been talking about this since the auto rescue, and here we are about to hit the quarter
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century mark for this nation, and we have to think about this policy in a new way. >> prok atproactive rather than reactive and congress has a difficult way with this. and now, with the tensions of china, it is the real possibility that china is going to send lethal aid to russia in the fight against ukraine. i asked the chair of the foreign affairs committee, and he said that move would be crossing a red line. let me play this for you from michael mccaul. >> this is crossing a red line for me, in this call, and sanctions an easy one, and cutting off semiconductor chips would bring russia and china to their knee, because it would not be a bad way of looking at it.
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>> do you agree? >> the ccp seems to be all over the place looking at russia. certainly, they are calling for the end of the war, but not by any means of the end of the war. you saw the president speak to that recently in saying that it did not make a lot of sense. now we are looking at them potentially sending arms to russia which would be mind blowing and disappointing. the steps that i think that we need to take in response are going to have to be serious. they are going to have to be aggressive, and they can't be singular. we will have to act alongside our western allies, and allies to the south of us. in ukraine with the war one-year on, it is not accentable, and we cannot al loul lawless awe cob
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ra sis. if china does sell arms, then it will begat action. >> you heard this here from the house select chairman of the committee. and they said that your work as a committee is going to be bipartisan. there are very few examples in recent memory really of committees on the hill that really do that, are bipartisan to start, and even if they start out that way with the goal to end up that way. why do you think that your committee can pull that off? >> well, i remain optimistic. and even with the existential challenges of the ccp will beget collaboration, you can see mr. gallagher as the chairman of the full committee adds and
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backside, and certainly, listening to the stakeholders and i was at home to convene some of the stakeholders to find out what the automotive sector needs, and what this competition means and on the workforce front and the production front are very real. that is something that i want to bring to the committee and i am certainly expecting my colleagues on both siding of the aisle to feel the same. >> thank you, congresswoman. we will be watching this evening. so graphic testimony in the alex murdaugh trial. a pathologist is called to the stand about the graphic tetestimony and murder that he analyzed.
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>> looking live pictures inside the courtroom in south carolina. could be one of the final days of alex murdaugh's jury trial. jury hearing graphic testimony. later today they are expected to visit the property where murdaugh's wife and son were killed. >> right now we are watching defense attorney kick harpootlian cross exam the pathologist. defense brought on its own
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pathologist to create questions about some of her findings including determination of angles of shots and whether or not one of the shots was an entrance and exit wound. they have been going back and forth 15 minutes agreeing to disagree on findings. this is part of what the defense continued to do during its case presentation to poke holes and create doubt around the state's narrative they have created what happened june 7th, 2021. court has been lack of a better word spicier with the attorneys. before the jury even came in, defense really protested on the length of time this trial has taken. we are talking about what was supposed to be a three-week trial we are in week six. state is calling seven rebuttal witnesses. this was the exchange between the attorneys before the jury
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came in. >> again, we have taken, estimated three week trial. seems the state's position let no dead horse go unbeaten. this is got to stop! thank you. >> of course the defense of course we had the meeting with judge price at the time, we all agreed with that estimate, it was not just the state. i realize this was gone long, the state has the right to do appropriate rebuttal evidence to a defense case. >> now you mentioned that trip to moselle, scene of the murders, murdaugh family property. kate, that can only happen once the defense is -- once the state is finished with its reply. >> much more to come, diane, thank you. joining me is cnn joey jackson. criminal defense attorney.
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let's start, diane just leafing off, next thing that could come could be the jury making this trip to moselle property. the scene of the crime, if you will, where both alex murdaugh's wife and son were murdered. how impactful is it when the jury heads to the crime scene. defense argued for it, state against it, why? >> yeah, so kate, good morning. very impactful why? what are trials about? bringing the jury to where the incident occurred. where the crime occurred. so you do that by showing pictures. you do that by video. there is nothing more important, more relevant than bringing the jury there. you can argue some jurors will have formed conclusions and will based upon the visit to the property confirm the notions they believe happened or you
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could argue some minds will be changed based upon how it is laid out. defense wants to bring them there to go into their narrative. could it have been two shooters as opposed to one? is that possible? will the lay out and scope of the property based what alex murdaugh testified to in terms of using a golf cart, could he have done that, was that proper? does it raise reasonable doubt? defense wants to show how it is laid out, how it is situated to propagate their narrative what happened that day and whether their client committed these crimes. >> speaks to when they do get to it, later this week, the case the defense will be making in closings. what do you think the prosecution wants to leave as the last thought with jurors when in closing arguments, what is their strongest piece?
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>> yeah, comes down to the weakest and strongest, ultimately what they are going to argue is that the timeline is damning, kate. they are going to propagate the narrative, who else could it have been within the limited time frame, with regard to what alex murdaugh he looked you in the eye like he looked at so many of his clients and lied just as he is lying to you. who else would have the motive? the opportunity? who else would have the ability? that would be what the prosecution would say. defense will take them to task on issue of motivation, he loved his family. on the issue it could have been other people who could have done this. he certainly had this drug problem, pill problem. hey, who was he hanging out with who could have been harmed, with respect to paul didn't have friends because of the boating
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accident people wanting to harm him. powerful closing arguments. >> absolutely, joey, thank you so much. appreciate it. thank you for watching today, i am kate bolduan inside politics with john kingng starts after ts breaeak. to get started. then work with professionals to assist your business wiwith its forms and submit the application. go to getrtrefunds.com to learn more. okay e everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue heah. ensure wh twenty-five vitamins and minerals, and ensure complete ensure wh twenty-five vitamins and minerals, with thirty grams of protein. but with stearns & foster® that's only part of the stor we handcraft every stearns & foster® using the finest materials, like indulgent memory foam, and ultra-conforming intellicoils®, for a beautiful mattress, and indescribable comfort. every single night. stearns & foster® what comfort should be.
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