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Sephyr posted:Feels to me that LoK had issues both with Nick being shits, and a bloat of ideas and ambition. They wanted to have Korra wrestle with 4 different brands of dangerous extremism (Amon= commie-flavored racial prejudice, Unalaq= traditionalist theocracy, Zaheer= philosophical anarchism and Kuvira= nationalistic fascism), one season each. Any of those could have been fodder for a whole series. One of the main things that gives Legend of Korra the big centrism energy that it has is that all four of the arcs have a very similar problematic structure with the way they handle their villains: 1) The villain identifies a legitimate problem in society, but they offer a very bad solution to the problem. 2) The villain gets their socked rocked by Korra and the crew. 3) Korra and the crew pay lip service to fixing the problem but then don't actually do it. Season 1 is by far the worst about this. Tensions between benders and non-benders disappears because it is necessary for the narrative, not because the good guys actually manage to alleviate them. The other three seasons suffer from this issue less, but only because the social problems they focus on can be handwaved as being 'fixed' much more easily. e: fixed the quote. JordanKai fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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My strategy is I use the word filter to basically ensure no one is recruiting Proud Boys in my comments, I mostly only read comments for new videos and only for the first couple days to make sure some good comments are floating to the top, and after that I let Jesus take the wheel. I haven't even looked at my comments feed since December. It took some self-training to do that, the feedback is hugely addictive even (especially) when it's negative, but my self-esteem is bad enough without being chiseled away at by inane "well actually" replies to a six year old video.
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JordanKai posted:One of the main things that gives Legend of Korra the big centrism energy that it has is that all four of the arcs have a very similar problematic structure with the way they handle their villains: Oh, agreed. It's actually funny how bullshit the rule of Republic city is. Tenzin represents about 12 people, tops, and gets 25% of the power in the council? Nonbenders really have a poo poo deal under that structure. And as for season 3, you could say Zaheer force-fixed the problem by deposing a corrupt, incompetent monarch by way of redistributing the air out of her lungs. Sure, his aftermath was messy and led to Kuvira, but if the heroes fail to address the problem for decades, what's to be expected. It's a pity that season 2 (being the weakest) was the only one in which she seems to actually have a look into the issue at hand and make a meaningful change to the status quo.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:07
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FoldableHuman posted:My strategy is I use the word filter to basically ensure no one is recruiting Proud Boys in my comments, I mostly only read comments for new videos and only for the first couple days to make sure some good comments are floating to the top, and after that I let Jesus take the wheel. I haven't even looked at my comments feed since December. It took some self-training to do that, the feedback is hugely addictive even (especially) when it's negative, but my self-esteem is bad enough without being chiseled away at by inane "well actually" replies to a six year old video. This reminds me, sometimes my tiny, forgotten channel gets a random comment like that. Like someone posting on an ancient MO3-video that actually, MO3 is very good. Which was just baffling, considering I love that game to pieces, but apparently I didn't consider that I also have a working brain. Criticizing a game means you hate it, in the world of the stupid. Anyway, poo poo like that gives me insight into the many malfunctions of the Human mind, and I'd like to get more of it. I guess I should make more videos, then. 
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Feb 11, 2020 19:09
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The most interesting part of Korra was Aang being a crappy father and how his middle-aged kids have to deal with that and how it put a strain in on their relationships with their other siblings. And it makes sense? It�s believable that someone who is the last of their kind would get a bit obsessed with making sure they don�t die out, and then when they finally have that kid put them on a pedestal.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:23
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Feb 11, 2020 19:29
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I do appreciate the trope of child heroes growing up to be kinda-bad parents in recent years. There's a kind of honesty in saying that growing up in the kind of situations that these characters end up in is probably not a good way to learn how to be a parent.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:52
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Shocked and appalled to learn YouTubers will never appreciate my efforts to prove them wrong in the comment sections of 5+ year old videos. Socrates would have wept had he known.
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Feb 11, 2020 20:09
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Sephyr posted:Oh, agreed. It's actually funny how bullshit the rule of Republic city is. Tenzin represents about 12 people, tops, and gets 25% of the power in the council? Nonbenders really have a poo poo deal under that structure. Presumably of course the council was arranged that way in Aang�s honor. And in Sokka�s defense, they *were* a genocided people who were trying to preserve and rebuild their entire culture, outsized voice in government is a reasonable precaution in such circumstances.
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Pants Donkey posted:The most interesting part of Korra was Aang being a crappy father and how his middle-aged kids have to deal with that and how it put a strain in on their relationships with their other siblings. Yeah it makes sense that the guy who's job it is to be the mediator for the entire world's reorganization after a century-long genocidal war would be pretty dang busy, and what spare time he had would be dedicated to making sure his people and culture didn't die off. It's why I really disliked a bunch of airbenders magically popping up in Korra S3. Aang essentially sacrificed his relationship with Bumi and Kaya in order to put the needed attentions into Tenzin to ensure the air nomads survived. It's sad but that also made it all the more meaningful that Aang succeeded: Tenzin went on to have have more airbender children and ensure the culture at least did not die by creating the air acolytes. There was meaning to Aang's sacrifice flowering into hope for the air nation. But then uh something something spirit portals and suddenly there are airbenders everywhere! Aang was a piece of poo poo father to 2/3rds of his children for no reason! Hooray!
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yeah Season 2 was very weak overall but it also had the two-part Avatar Wan episode which kicked rear end in conclusion Legend of Korra is a land of contrast
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Feb 11, 2020 21:07
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Sydin posted:But then uh something something spirit portals and suddenly there are airbenders everywhere! I have a really lovely memory because I just remember Season 1: Amon, Season 2: Spirits???, Season 3-4: some anarchist guy was in prison?? And then the final scene. I should really rewatch this series at some point *throws Korra into the backlog I stored in the Marianas Trench, raising the pile to 200m above sea level*
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Feb 11, 2020 22:25
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Calico Heart posted:Been a while since I posted here.
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If there's one thing that encapsulate the amount of fuckery the Korra makers had to put up with it's that they had to resort to making a clip show recap to get the number of episodes Nickelodeon ordered for season 4 but didn't give them enough money to do. And not even the fun kind of recap like Ember Island Players was.
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Im rewatching korra rn and it's pretty good tbh but also it would have been better if it was just a sports anime
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Gnome de plume posted:If there's one thing that encapsulate the amount of fuckery the Korra makers had to put up with it's that they had to resort to making a clip show recap to get the number of episodes Nickelodeon ordered for season 4 but didn't give them enough money to do. The major arc villains all being in a conference call together in Varrick�s version of events was a great gag we got out of that episode at least
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Feb 11, 2020 23:15
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The pro bending part of Korra was extremely good
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Junpei Hyde posted:Im rewatching korra rn and it's pretty good tbh but also it would have been better if it was just a sports anime which season are you on
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Feb 11, 2020 23:42
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JK Simmons and Henry Rollins killed in the voice acting for Korra imo And hey it paved the way for having LGBTQA relationships shown in childrens animation even if it was done in a very "woke brands" kind of way
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Thanks a ton for all the advice folks, it means a lot. I think it's something I'm ganna have to find some way to deal with moving forward and just accept moving on. Unless there's direct recruiting or anything in my comment section (which, considering my channel size, is incredibly unlikely) I'm just ganna take my lumps. Ghostlight posted:Wait, did you also do the really good and excellent Brigsby Bear video I got recommended? Yee Augus posted:yeah Season 2 was very weak overall but it also had the two-part Avatar Wan episode which kicked rear end eh... I don't know. To me something that really made Avatar unique among kids shows was it's unapologetically eastern philosophy and worldbuilding. In the original series, strength is derived from oneself and the divine manifests in the form of a world completely separate from and alien to that of the characters, viewed only in brief glimpses from the most enlightened characters. For the most part, when characters speak religiously it's about introspection; discovering ones place in the universe, bettering oneself, understanding the vastness of the universe and (in my opinion, one of the most genuinely moving moments everput to screen in a piece of childrens media) realising love through the elimination of shame. When a spirit does appear, it's strange, unknowable, fickle, and is often as inspiring of fear as it is wonder. Their worlds are their own and their interactions with humans always seem to test them in some way (the facetaker, the Owl, the dragons). In Korra they say "okay fine whatever but what if there were one spirit who is REALLY GOOD and one who is SUPER EVIL and they both really really care about humanity and are where magic comes from". It was just a super lazy, less ionteresting injection of abrahamic attitudes towards creation and philosophy that maybe didn't retroactively ruin the original series but certainly robbed it of a great deal of its identity. It didn't help that on top of everything else it was really awkwardly slotted into the existing lore. Like, the life spirit responsible for all bending and the avatar cycle is just, like, forgotten about completely? Never ever mentioned at all? And then suddenly comes back and is making jokey dialogue??? drat that's a lot of words to say "i dislike this aspect of a cartoon for children!!!"
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The episode before the finale started that�s just everyone trying to help Aang fall sleep since he�s freaking the gently caress out because he�s gotta face the fire lord the following day will always stay with me because it�s such a mundane and relatable thing (losing sleep over having to do a big thing, not because I have to fight a megalomaniacal genocidal hell tyrant)
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Yeah I'm one of the few people who really didn't like what the Wan episodes did with the lore. The episodes themselves were beautifully animated and scored, but reducing the nuanced role of the Avatar to "literal paragon of good who must stand opposed to the literal embodiment of evil" felt lazy and cliche. Not to mention that we already had two spirits who embodied Ying and Yang in the Ocean and Moon, but uh now I guess we need even bigger and more important ying and yang spirits! I haven't watched Korra since season 4 wrapped up but I remember being really disappointed overall with S1 and S2, really digging S3, and liking a lot of the ideas of S4 while feeling that it was slightly underbaked (which it was, due to Nick's production fuckery).
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Feb 12, 2020 01:53
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So the guy who does the rad Kyoto Video series released the first of a series mini-documentaries about the origins of Looney Tunes and it's good stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z57_2T_WIuA
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achillesforever6 posted:JK Simmons and Henry Rollins killed in the voice acting for Korra imo
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Feb 12, 2020 03:30
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It's not completely outlandish to say Korra crawled so Adventure Time could walk though.
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Feb 12, 2020 03:35
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It was entirely worth it just for the shipping anguish the next day.
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CmdrKing posted:It's not completely outlandish to say Korra crawled so Adventure Time could walk though. I...had never thought of it that way. But the more I do, the more sense it makes.
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Calico Heart posted:Been a while since I posted here. If it was the video it sounds like (guessing you don�t want to name it directly), I first discovered you when the algorithm served that video up out of the blue maybe three months ago. It�s good and for some reason is getting pushed by the algorithm. Congratulations?
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Jacob Geller talks about what libraries, real and imagined, mean to people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjY8Fp-SCVk
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dancingbears posted:So the guy who does the rad Kyoto Video series released the first of a series mini-documentaries about the origins of Looney Tunes and it's good stuff. This is very good! I'll have to go through their back catalog soon.
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Calico Heart posted:Been a while since I posted here. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Feb 12, 2020 07:16
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That Looney Tunes video rules, thanks for that.Terrible Opinions posted:I don't really have any advice, but if this is about the Brigsby Bear episode it was wonderful and much appreciated. Really all of your videos are good, but talking about Brigsby Bear in particular just warms the heart. Yeah, it was that one. The fact the movie is so overwhelmingly wholesome, uplifting and inoffensive is what bums me out about the response.
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Pants Donkey posted:I dunno, it wasn’t even aired on TV and they still couldn’t even get an on-screen kiss or otherwise confirm they were entering a relationship. Nick would not let them have it, as opposed to the modern woke brands that throw in a background kiss that lets you brag while still can easily remove for other markets. iirc that was the showrunners having cold feet, worried that Nick would bring the hammer down, and in interviews after the fact it came out that they likely would have been fine it was also pretty instrumental in the Steven Universe team feeling confident enough to make the gayest cartoon in history
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From Wikipedia (yes I know, the source is Bryan's tumblr which I can't load at work):quote:Concerning the development of the much-discussed final scene intended to show the friends Korra and Asami becoming a romantic couple, Bryan Konietzko explained that at first he and DiMartino did not give the idea much weight, assuming they would not be able to get approval for portraying their relationship. But during the production of the finale they decided to test that assumption, approached the network and found them supportive up to a certain limit. They decided to change the final scene from Korra and Asami only holding hands to also facing each other in a pose referencing the marriage scene a few minutes prior. Definitely sounds like they pushed it as far as Nick was willing to let them. And IIRC there are some official comics that take place after the finale that make it much more explicit that Korra and Asami are in an actual romantic relationship so clearly what little backlash their was didn't cause Nick to about-face.
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Poparena didn�t post it here but they have a new episode up about Dexter�s Lab�s multiple attempts at a series finale and why they didn�t work. The reason I�m posting about it is that I thought it was interesting and I wouldn�t mind if The Big Finale became an entire series examining unnecessary/unsuccessful series finales. With that in mind, does anyone have any other cool videos on that topic?
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That video just reminded me that they made a hip-hop album based on Dexter's Lab and it whips rear end, so, already off to a good start
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:That video just reminded me that they made a hip-hop album based on Dexter's Lab and it whips rear end, so, already off to a good start As a kid, I saw that music video where they did a rap song on Dexter's Lab and thought, "Man, this will.i.am guy sounds really cool. I want to hear more of his songs."
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Feb 13, 2020 08:09
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Well, if you're gonna talk about the video, may as well post a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YLzF15RtVo
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