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MSN maps.live

Another poster asked me a question. Does maps.live only send a route or an actual map to the nav remotely. My first test was to a University in Monterray, Mexico. Yes, the route was received and the nuvi DID calculate the route. So I tried a bit further, to Soledad, Rivas, Nicaragua. Took about 10 minutes to receive, pressed "go" and again the nuvi calculated the route in it's entirety. One more test to Bogota, Columbia. Info was received from MSN, but after about 35% of the route, the nuvi said it was unable to complete the route. But here is where it got VERY interesting. I went back to the route in web favorites on the nuvi, and checked details for the route. As you zoom out, there is, in fact A MAP. Shows cities, rivers, major roads, not just on the route, but ALL of South America. Only major roads, larger cities ID'd. rivers and lakes, etc. Quite a surprise to say the least. I plan to test a bit further to see how detailed a map you can get.

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  • gatorguy 329 Points
    Apparently the downloaded maps (for this case, San Salvadore) are also navigatable, as I can choose a spot along any of the roads shown and plot a route to it. Details seem to vary quite a bit, as Mexico is fairly good, but Central America shows major roads, nothing street level. I haven't tried POI's there yet to see what the detail is.
  • Tim 1500 Points
    It sounds to me like you are just looking at the world base map that comes on the device. The road level detail you describe sounds the same as a Nuvi 700 series I have here that has never been connected to the MSN service.
  • gatorguy 329 Points
    I'm pulling up the map from MSN folder. Instead of pressing "go", I instead press "view map". Are you thinking that it then is pulling up the Garmin base map rather than the route from MSN? If so, is the nuvi using the sent route from maps.live or the base map for routing? For instance, the last map I requested was for Villa Delgado, San Salvadore. When you go to "show map" it correctly locates it. Are the base maps detailed enough to show a small city in San Salvador? Or is it perhaps a mix of both the MSN sent detail and the base map?
  • gatorguy 329 Points
    Additional detail on route. Last three turns show 18 miles to Ca4, then 2.3 miles right off Ca4, then .7 miles to destination. Is it drawing a straight line from Ca4, which may be in the base map, to a point identified as Villa Delgado, not in the map? Similar to just navigating to a set of coordinates? I can't really tell, therefor I defer to you, Tim.
  • How do you do this without having maps of Central America resident on the 760?
  • gatorguy 329 Points
    Tim seemed to indicate that the nuvi's base map has enough detail to accomplish this with the route from MSN. I suspect he will give us his educated opinion when he gets the chance.
  • Tim 1500 Points
    I've got a 760 with me that has never been connected to the MSN service. I click 'View Map' and then tap on the screen to get a map that can be panned and zoomed. I zoom out all of the way and it will show "regional" detail. (Just the very major roads.) This regional detail covers not only the USA, but also certain parts of Central and South America.

    Therefore I suspect this doesn't have much to do with MSN other than the Garmin interface doesn't allow you to select those countries to navigate to. So the map itself isn't getting transfered, but the approximate destination is.

    (See the red lines on the map.)

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  • gatorguy 329 Points
    So what MSN is allowing you to do is navigate to areas that are not supported by the 760 maps by transferring location info. I do know the roads appear to be properly labeled with name, but was surprised that the detail, including cities, was reasonably complete. I think that if you needed to go to a particular city or POI not directly supported by the N.Amer. map, that you could in fact do so. What would be interesting to see is if you can navigate between two points in Europe, even tho there is no "map" persay.

    Something I wonder about tho is in the diagnostics, it shows base maps removed (prior to shipping?), so I was surprised to see ANY detail, much less navigatable.
  • Tim 1500 Points
    I think that if you needed to go to a particular city or POI not directly supported by the N.Amer. map, that you could in fact do so.
    I disagree. Even in Mexico City it only shows some of the major roads. I think it would be foolish to try to follow those maps. Who knows when they were last updated, it might not show you the big "gaps" between known roads, and it doesn't even show all of the major highways.
  • Tim 1500 Points
    Here are two maps showing roughly the same area of Mexico City. One is from the Nuvi and the other is from Google.

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  • gatorguy 329 Points
    You are probably correct. :) I have found it very useful tho for navigating to sites not yet supported on the NA map. I frequently have to visit jobsites for new developments or businesses, often with poor directions and no address in the database.

    I'll plan to stick with US and Canada and not Central America. (Fortunate for me that I have NO plans to go to Nicaragua! :D )
  • Spyder63 331 Points
    My lowly nuvi 680 has the Americas AutoRoute Weather Basemap v3.00. I can't use MSN.live mapping on this model - at least, not yet so I have no experience in that domain.

    There are other basemaps - Americas, Americas Lite, Atlantic,(covers Europe) Atlantic Lite, Pacific(covers Asia), Pacific Lite, and Worldwide. They were made available on the install CDs that came with older IQue PDA style GPSr's and the BT GPS 10-20. Still listed and downloadable on Garmin's site under those models, I believe

    A bit of info from Garmin's FAQ:

    Q. Can I load a European basemap into my Que software without purchasing additional software?

    A. The setup media that comes with the GPS 10 has the Atlantic Lite and Atlantic Standard basemaps for basic coverage in Europe. Also, the setup media includes the Pacific Lite and Pacific Standard basemaps for basic coverage in Asia. Any of these basemaps can be used as well as the Worldwide basemap. They will need to be downloaded to a SD/MMC card. Note: Basemaps provide "general" detail to assist with navigation. If you wish to have address and POI searching capabilities you will need to purchase the compatible supplementary maps Garmin offers. For mapping, please visit the GPS 10 specifications page on the Garmin website.
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