Nothing — Greater Fool – Authored by Garth Turner – The Troubled Future of Real Estate


Nothing

The advance polls are busy. Really. It could signal voters are eager for change. Or maybe they just don’t want to be packed tightly in line on election day. Meanwhile Delta’s turned into a storm, especially in the West. Hugely in AB. It’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated, but everyone is suffering as a result. ICUs in Alberta will be full in a few days. The premier admitted failure, declared a state of emergency and is bringing in a Vaxport.

Nobody, save one man, wanted an election in a pandemic. Nor did we know even a month ago that a 4th wave would spike in this fashion. With a high national vaccine rate, we felt immune. The prime minister thought it would be a slam-dunk to gain majority control of Parliament. Now it appears to have backfired. We have a mess. An expensive one. Over $600 million for a vote that will actually leave Canada in a more precarious state.

As I write this the current CBC poll tracker (likely the best available tool) shows Libs and Cons with equal support, the Dippers at 20% and Mad Max polling above the BQ and twice that of the discredited Greens. But remember that in 2019 the Conservatives garnered more votes than Liberals, yet Trudeau formed government. That’s because politics is math and with a first-past-the-post electoral system winners need only a third of the people to back them, while regional voting blocks skew everything.

So here are the probabilities, as of September 16 – A Lib majority has a 14% chance of occurring, while the odds of a Trudeau minority administration are at 56%. The Conservatives have a 1% chance at majority and 28% liklihood of O’Toole leading a minority government.

The NDP is poised to make gains, ponying on their eat-the-rich fiction. Jagmeet, the unlikely TikTocker, could double the party’s seat count from 24 to something just shy of 50 (say the polls). Meanwhile Max’s PPC has Hoovered up the protest, anti-lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax, pro-choice, hospital-protesting, anti-immigrant, pissed-off Trumpian vote in a way only a pandemic could have allowed. So his 6% support is probably right out of the hide of the Cons, and could ensure T2 emerges on top. The best Max can do is win one seat. His. In doing so he will help re-elect the current PM.

In short, it’s a swamp. A hobbled but victorious Trudeau supported by a hopped-up Singh will give Canada a de facto coalition government tilting way left. Expect a lot more spending. Plus deficits extending well into your grandchildren’s lives. More social division. And, yup, more taxes. How could it be otherwise?

The Libs have already proposed an extra tax on foreign real estate buyers. A big tax hike on banks. And insurance companies. A new tax on homeowners who sell their properties too soon. And all that will not prevent the deficit from being another $150 billion next year. If associate-prime minister Jag has a say, we’ll also get dentacare, pharmacare, free tuition and the need for a wealth tax.

That won’t be enough, however. The numbers don’t add up. The ranks of the .01%ers are far too thin in Canada to cover even a fraction of the promised spending while supporting the existing debt. And meanwhile we’ll be no closer to defeating the virus, making real estate affordable for average families or getting a seriously ugly national balance sheet under control so monetary policy can normalize.

So, says the National Bank in its electoral analysis, if you have a high income, unrealized capital gains or run a business, you might want to duck. Or pray. The Dippers promised $215 billion in new spending in this campaign – three times what Trudeau pledged and four times the amount O’Toole would provide. The NDP has campaigned on a general corporate tax increase, more punitive treatment of high-income earners and a huge jump in the capital gains inclusion rate.

The spending, the debt, the deficit and tax increases are all inflationary – and already the cost-of-living increase is at a 13-year high, with beater houses selling for $1 million in the burbs. It’s ironic those most supportive of ‘progressive’ leftist politics are the same house-hungry young buyers whose votes may guarantee they never afford a home.

Finally, this sad electoral exercise strips the nation of cohesion needed to stand against a pathologic foe. As the knuckle-draggers protest outside hospitals, confounding health care workers, our leaders sink. They lie. The scrap for power. Pass blame. And use the bodies of infected, dying people as stepping stones to 24 Sussex Drive.

“Do we give into anti-vaxxers in the Conservative Party and go ahead with half-measures?” Trudeau asked a Montreal crowd yesterday, even knowing it’s Mad Max, not O’Toole, who’s egging on the infidels.

When we need confidence, we get conflict. Where we crave inspiration, there is invective. As we seek hope, only hyperbole. In the end, it was an election about nothing. And we got less.

About the picture: “Chester is a 10-month-old fox red labrador,” writes Jason. “He was having a great time, pictured here in the Alberta mountains during his first backpacking trip. When not digging holes in our garden or chewing on prescription sunglasses Chester enjoys tug, fetch and swimming. Thanks for the free blog. The consistent and logical opinion on financial topics is always refreshing.”

232 comments ↓

#1 G on 09.16.21 at 2:22 pm

Some others might also find this discussion/points of view with Rex Murphy interesting. 1hr10min posted on Tue Sept 14, 2021. (BTW it has interspersed adds you can just skip over)

Justin Trudeau and the Election that Should Have Never Been | Rex Murphy | JBP Podcast S4: E45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3mZn5nimaU&t=2017s

#2 AM in MN on 09.16.21 at 2:25 pm

As I mentioned before, O’Toole is going to lose this one because he’s a typical Red Tory from Ontario who has no understanding of the far flung regions of the country, and too impressed with himself to be seen doing something as unseemly as cutting a deal.

He needed to cut a deal with Max. He pulls 12 candidates, Max pulls 50.

Just like 2000 when the dying PC’s pride and stupidity made them run in every seat and handed Chretien another majority.

Politics is all about such leadership, and O’Toole has already failed the leadership test.

Like Garth said, it’s all math at this point.

#3 UCC on 09.16.21 at 2:26 pm

“…That won’t be enough, however. The numbers don’t add up. The ranks of the .01%ers are far too thin in Canada to cover even a fraction of the promised spending while supporting the existing debt…”

Why oh why don’t the other leaders “in waiting” challenge Mr Dipper in his assertion? The general population think there are plenty of people to tax. They need to be educated….

There is so much lack of substance from all the parties.

#4 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.16.21 at 2:26 pm

#209 Outrage on 09.16.21 at 1:16 pm
I think the breaking point may approaching. Another few more years of higher inflation and small wage increases will make people move to a cheaper country to live. The Canadian dream of owning a home and raising a family is coming to an end. I plan on leaving in November to a place where living costs will be less than half. The quality of life is eroding every year in Canada unless your coming from a third world country to escape extreme poverty. Then those people will have working poverty life in Canada if their wage is low
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What you talking about?
In my profession (finance&accounting) here in Lotusland, the wages are going crazy.
I’m hearing 85k for an A/P person.
And still hard to find.

#5 dosouth on 09.16.21 at 2:28 pm

This is just not going to end well…..regardless.

#6 Armpit on 09.16.21 at 2:28 pm

In a Riding that is historically a large PC support, A PPC vote will not cause any seat change. In fact, it may wake up the PC to NOT BE so LIBERAL.

#7 Dolce Vita on 09.16.21 at 2:29 pm

Delta. Dined. Dead.

Past month and a half these US anti-vax radio hosts succumbed to Delta:

1. Marc Bernier – called himself ‘Mr Anti-Vax’.

2. Dr. Jimmy DeYoung Sr. – Bible Prophecy, called Vaccine ‘Government Control’.

3. Phil Valentine – wrote that his chances of dying from Covid-19, should he become infected, were probably “way less than one percent” and refused to get vaxd.

4. Dick Farrel – a vociferous critic of Dr Anthony Fauci and urged people not to get vaccinated.

5. Bob Enyart – Self-proclaimed religious fanatic. Anti-abortion. Vaccine skeptic. Read AIDS obituaries while playing Queen’s “Another One Bites the Dust.”

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Now they know Mother Nature didn’t give a damn about their politics but did give a damn about Natural Selection.

They learned the hard way.

RIP

#8 Re-Cowtown on 09.16.21 at 2:32 pm

“Do we give into anti-vaxxers in the Conservative Party and go ahead with half-measures?” Trudeau asked a Montreal crowd yesterday

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This divisive rhetoric by Trudeau is exactly the reason he needs to go. He lit the fuse on this election in the middle of a pandemic and still can’t stop himself from exploiting the national crisis to fuel his own stomach-turning ambition. OCD or what

In keeping with the doggy theme, Trudeau is one sick puppy.

#9 Damifino on 09.16.21 at 2:37 pm

Chester looks as if today’s post has just been read to him.

#10 Steve French on 09.16.21 at 2:38 pm

I claim a second !!!!

Ohhhhh yeaaaahhhhhhh…. chickachickahhhhhh…..

#11 Soviet Capitalist on 09.16.21 at 2:39 pm

All true.

#12 Dolce Vita on 09.16.21 at 2:40 pm

Garth the poles are biased.

Go here on 338Canada and peruse the polls. All over the map.

https://338canada.com/polls.htm

I believe TikTok will strip enough votes from the Libs and the Cons will come up the middle, MadMax or no MadMax.

If TikTok clocks another 26 seats you know they will come at the expense of the Liberals. Thus here is some quick electoral Math from last election:

= 157 – 26
= 131

That is not counting the votes the Libs will lose in other ridings to TikTok. Why the Cons up the middle.

My gut feel is that it will be a slim to workable Con Majority.

The appetite is there. No Lefty on Twitter idolizing Trudeau and even a smatter of that received a tirade of negative Tweets. His own people running barely mentioned Trudeau, as if to disassociate themselves from him.

Repeat of the NS election where the polls got it SO wrong.

#13 alexinvestor on 09.16.21 at 2:41 pm

August inflation numbers are out … 4.1%. The central bank will not raise interest rates because a Liberal/NDP minority government will need to borrow money to spend. Real wages will decrease as the loonie gets hit, which means that everyone who works for living gets currency taxed.

#14 Dogman01 on 09.16.21 at 2:43 pm

#151 fishman on 09.16.21 at 12:05 am
A general malaise abounds in our fair far flung land. Analogous to Soviet life. Think like a criminal, keep your head down & drive an old Honda. Keep a 6G portfolio of Garden, Guns, Gold, Girl, God, & Garth. A post modern Canada means nothing except shared values. Lil potato’s values. If they aren’t your values, join a tribe that emboldens your values. Make sure its a tough tribe.

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Interesting comment, I too am just not interested in the “shared woke values of a Post Modern Corporate Globalist fiction”. There is no “in-Group” value identification with the entity Canada is becoming. After this election I may have to “go my own way”.

A “foreign culture”, abandoning Individual rights, abandoning principles of merit based selection, increasing division via racial identities, leveraging the cause of Climate Change for economic destruction, acceptance of the population of dependency. All to facilitate social weakness and acceptance of a declining standard of living. Deferring to a global agenda in the position as a backwater province of a valueless global order led by what….China?

Turner Nation seems to have got the memo.

Not my Canada

#15 the jaguar on 09.16.21 at 2:46 pm

I have lost faith. It’s AWOL. Hope also missing in action. The only small bit of light comes from that beautiful creature Chester and the magnificent backdrop. We’ll need all our experience and skills to make it home this time..

#16 My Body My Choice on 09.16.21 at 2:48 pm

Never forget that Trudeau tried to suspend parliament for 20 months and get unlimited spending power back in March 2020:

“An Affront to Democracy: New legislation proposed giving Liberals unprecedented powers:

On Monday evening, Global News and the Globe and Mail broke stories that the federal government was planning to introduce legislation giving sweeping powers to Finance Minister Bill Morneau, including the power to unilaterally spend, borrow and change taxes without Parliamentary approval.

… perhaps is it because the government just doesn’t want to deal with parliament.”

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/an-affront-to-democracy-new-legislation-proposed-giving-liberals-unprecedented-powers

“The legislation grants Finance Minister Bill Morneau extraordinary new powers to spend, borrow and tax without having to get the approval of opposition MPs until December 2021.

… granting those powers to the federal cabinet alone is highly unusual – even the Emergencies Act does not do so.

…All opposition parties were surprised at the content of the bill and all singled out the extensive section which gives Morneau new powers.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/6720551/justin-trudeau-coronavirus-support-bill/

If Trudeau had a majority, Trudeau would have suspended parliament for 20 months. Dictator for 20 months. Let that sink in folks.

Luckily, because Trudeau only had a minority, there was enough opposition to avert his plans

#17 SCD on 09.16.21 at 2:48 pm

I voted Conservative, but I’m not optimistic. Probably it will be a continuation of the Justin and Jagmeet show.

#18 Kurt on 09.16.21 at 2:49 pm

#10 Steve French – Stop that! You’ll make the web pages stick together…

#19 Felix on 09.16.21 at 2:49 pm

Much respect for your honest title and photo today, Mr. Turner.

A dogawful canine is indeed nothing.

#20 604sam on 09.16.21 at 2:52 pm

Garth should we expect a drop in the price of REITs if Trudeau is re-elected, due to his statements regarding how he would review the tax treatments of REITs?

#21 Not Fooled on 09.16.21 at 2:55 pm

#7 Dolce Vita on 09.16.21 at 2:29 pm
Delta. Dined. Dead.

Past month and a half these US anti-vax radio hosts succumbed to Delta:

1. Marc Bernier – called himself ‘Mr Anti-Vax’.

2. Dr. Jimmy DeYoung Sr. – Bible Prophecy, called Vaccine ‘Government Control’.

3. Phil Valentine – wrote that his chances of dying from Covid-19, should he become infected, were probably “way less than one percent” and refused to get vaxd.

4. Dick Farrel – a vociferous critic of Dr Anthony Fauci and urged people not to get vaccinated.

5. Bob Enyart – Self-proclaimed religious fanatic. Anti-abortion. Vaccine skeptic. Read AIDS obituaries while playing Queen’s “Another One Bites the Dust.”

—————–

Now they know Mother Nature didn’t give a damn about their politics but did give a damn about Natural Selection.

They learned the hard way.

RIP

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Millenials may not work weekends and evenings, but karma has no such qualms.

#22 alexinvestor on 09.16.21 at 2:58 pm

Just to put a bit of context in a currency tax. 15m workers x 50K average wage x 15% decline in currency (ie 69cent loonie) = 113 billion annually. This is what pays for the spending.

#23 Basil Exposition on 09.16.21 at 3:01 pm

Great pic of Chester. Volunteered for my riding assoc. providing rides to advance polls for seniors who require assistance. Walkers, wheelchairs, and age. They are really apprehensive about voting during a pandemic as evidenced by their liberal use of hand sanitizers and masking. But, they are determined to get out and vote no matter what. This unnecessary and likely pointless election could come down to which party best gets the vote out. The motivated voters in this election appear to be on the side of the CPC and the PPC. Also noticed that very few suburban mom’s are sharing pro-Liberal messages on social media this time around. If we do get the status quo after election day, I hope that Garth publishes another financial survival guide. We will need it going forward.

#24 Dolce Vita on 09.16.21 at 3:01 pm

If Justin and Associate PM TikTok form government and they increase taxes on market investments I’ll take my WebBroker Cash account, sell it all off and bit by bit using the very excellent Wise.com transfer it ALL to my Italian bank, Fineco which is v. strong online and has just as strong an online trading platform.

Nice thing, in Italia the have a PIR their version of a TFSA. € 150,000 max.

I hate to do it as I owe Canada everything but I’m retired and sick and tired of still having to pay taxes.

Don’t want to pay more taxes that I already do. My way, no more taxes on market investments.

Best of both Worlds.

#25 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 3:04 pm

89% of Canadians support a wealth tax: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/08/05/news/canadians-want-wealth-tax-willing-to-vote

The top 1% of Canadians own 25% of all wealth in this country:
https://www.investmentexecutive.com/news/industry-news/canadas-wealthiest-1-hold-25-6-of-riches-new-pbo-report-says/

Billionaires like Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet think the ultra-wealthy should pay more taxes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/cartercoudriet/2019/10/15/billionaires-more-taxes-gates-buffett-bloomberg/?sh=756af2567792

Like single payer health care, single payer pharmacare would save Canada billions: https://www.spph.ubc.ca/universal-public-drug-coverage-would-save-canada-billions/

Canada is the only country in the world with public health care but not public pharmacare: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)32324-4/fulltext#:~:text=Canada%20is%20the%20only%20country,providing%20prescription%20drugs%20(pharmacare).

None of that changes the fact we don’t have enough rich people. The NDP platform is fiction. – Garth

#26 ogdoad on 09.16.21 at 3:05 pm

For me, it speaks, once again to a sissy, wannabe, do what HGTV says, try to be popular, tiktok, pretty socks, hair and beer cans, striving for identity (but don’t have the confidence to think for yourself) lamo, laughable Canada. Not saying we need an idiot in charge but someone with balls would be much easier for the masses to cling on to and emulate. Man/women-up. Let’s get some leaders who can look in the eye, follow through or, with confidence, admit it can’t be done. We’re thinking NOW not the future…does that work for our kids and country? My kids brush/floss (sorry dentists, secrets out) their teeth so they don’t get cavities in the future – I can tell them, with confidence, this will work and I won’t look like a liar.

Dentists – please email me [email protected]. with comments and please note that I charge for a response.

Garth – why do I feel jealous of other first world countries who have leaders you feel you may be able to stand behind? Where in this great country (deep down, that is) its an obvious puppet show where others in power are snickering and rolling their eyes?

Oh well. We have your insightful blog. I’ll settle for that!

Og

#27 Dogman01 on 09.16.21 at 3:10 pm

BINGO!

#31 CL on 09.15.21 at 3:29 pm
HR/recruiting has become an empire and more cumbersome than any government at any level. When you see a posted job with pages of requirements, another account you have to open with that company to apply online, fill out yet more online forms with the same info, have to go through multiple interviews with people that were literally serving drinks the day before and are now recruiters, over several MONTHS timespan for a minimum wage job, it is pretty clear where the disconnect is.

There is no labour shortage other than one made by bureaucracy by the very companies complaining they cannot find people to hire.

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At a large non-profit with a very small HR unit, byzantine gatekeeper polices, wildly extended timelines and HR has injected itself into all aspects of hiring. They simply could never keep up and certinaly not now that Hiring\Staffing is the “Critical Path” to organizational survival. Key Supervisors leaving the organization as they cannot fill in all the hours created by staffing gaps and are being hammered by the complaining patrons for the lack of staffing. Services being curtailed while I suspect hundreds of qualified candidates sit on the other side of “The Great Wall of HR”.

Imagine the playground HR has now with the newfound WOKE hiring requirements…..

You are absolutely correct, HR so often filled with; “people that were literally serving drinks the day before and are now recruiters”.

#28 JSpier on 09.16.21 at 3:12 pm

So let me get this straight. I have to get the “jab” to be socially responsible? Know the difference between personal responsibility and social responsibility? I am in my 50’s and eat non processed foods only whole organic foods, my numbers are great (HBA1C at 5), no high blood pressure, well within my weight, I take personal responsibility by eating right, exercising (both physically and mentally), take zero medications. I have no pre existing conditions whatsoever. I am NO burden to the health care system whatsoever. But now I have to take one “for the team”.
That means I have to potentially compromise my health because my neighbour smoked or got obese, didn’t exercics etc. Have we lost our way or what? There is no way I am taking this experimental vaccine to facilitate the “Team” of this country who ended up in a ompromised health position when they take
zero personal responsibility to get healthy so that IF they got Covid there would very likely be no problems and be asymptomatic. Experimental defined because any drug or vaccine needs to have a thorough double blind placebo controlled randomized trial with animals first then humans, that takes typically years before approval. Think about the poster child for NOT doing this: Thalydimide. I wonder why two Top FDA officials recently resigned. Btw, the “Emergency Use”
exception was conveniently passed within the last few years.

Seeing as the vast greater majority of deaths are within those with a 3 to 4 pre existing conditions (CDC stats) then maybe, just maybe, that should be a serious wake up call for the “Team” to get off their keester, eat better, exercise, get better health and lifestyle advice and choices. But oh no, don’t want to do that do we? We want to just keep things as they are, eat your Timmy bits and processed pesticide GMO crap and force the healthy like me to take one for the “Team” without taking personal on any responsibility. Not one message from any official to address the overall declining health of the “Team” to greatly improve your chances if you get Covid. None. Cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc all trending up year after year. Maybe just maybe there are other health trends we need to address first?

Irresponsible, disgraceful and Pathetic. Btw, Garth, you are a follow the money kinda guy, here’s one, take a wee wild guess as to whom the Number 1 lobbyist in the US (possibly Canada as well but definitely the US) is by sector?
Health and Big Pharma: https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/industries DOUBLING the spending of
the next lobby group by sector this year alone (and in MOST years going back). In fact, Health and Big Pharma are NUMBER 1 lobbying sector going back 21 years in a ROW! Nope, I don’t see any problem here!

You cannot serve 2 Masters (the public being one, the lobbyists being the other). You can only serve one properly, it is crystal clear whom our “elected” leaders which master they serve. Btw, I work in healthcare and I rarely seen a covid patient; on the other hand I sure see alot of cancer, heart problems and diabetes. Praying you post this comment but I have my doubts. “No, you just shut your mouth and take the jab” to silence me and others and continue the narrative without
addressing any of these topics or points. No wonder the opposition is getting louder, the more you and the media marginalizes, the more likely there will be opposition. EVERYONE needs to have their voice heard. When heard the points they bring up can be addressed and debated to verify if there is validity to their positions. Its very dangerous and terribly irresponsible to separate groups and create even more division (as if we need any more).

JS, Victoria

You work in health care and refuse the vaccine? Not for long. – Garth

#29 Russ on 09.16.21 at 3:15 pm

He is a little something to help the Return To Office deniers.

https://twitter.com/juliahobsbawm/status/1436355265671143427?s=20

When the transition from WFH -> RTO seems so hard, just play it again.

#30 Prince Polo on 09.16.21 at 3:17 pm

Didn’t our dear Photo-op Minister declare that he is unable to “rule” the land with a minority government? I fully expect his resignation next week, if the Libs get another minority since he admitted to being unable to cope and move forward in such a scenario.

Oh who am I kidding? The most vain Parliamentarian is not self-aware…free ponies for all!

#31 To the point. on 09.16.21 at 3:23 pm

If I met Erin O’Toole, I would be glad to give him an elbow-bump. I applaud his attempt to put the “Progressive” back into Canadian Conservatism. There are some who might think this is the return of the Red Tories of decades past. But sorry – let me point out the divided party behind this leader – the same long chain of foot-dragging Reform-Alliance-UCP-PPC dinosaurs, lumbering on towards slow extinction.

For this election, the best that Mr. O’Toole could accomplish were weak policy compromises on climate action, national daycare and gun control.

At worst, he could not even control “dog whistles” like the party’s “SECURE THE FUTURE” platform and slogan. Take a breath and please read the most famous White Power quotation of all time, the Fourteen Words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words. Now – ask yourself if the CPC’s top brass, deep thinkers and test groups chose their odd national election slogan by accident or intent?

Mr. O’Toole might condemn the stone-throwers on the Right but these are the same people whose vote he needs to reach a majority. He will not and I will not help him with my vote.

#32 Louis on 09.16.21 at 3:25 pm

Even if it would be an ideal scenario to avoid a Trudeau-Singh nightmare, I don’t think Max would take a deal with O’tool… he’s playing the long game and a conservative victory would steal his thunder.

Bernier also literally said he was not going to do any type of merger with the conservative. The only way out of this mess is a new conservative superstar leader that would make the PPC irrelevant or a fast transition of the entire base from the conservative to the PPC under Bernier.

Bernier is a nothingburger. He will have one seat at best, and nothing to offer anyone. All he can do is ensure Liberals win by eroding blue votes. – Garth

#33 My Body My Choice on 09.16.21 at 3:27 pm

In my rural patch of Nova Scotia heaven, I would normally see red Liberal signs popped up on lawns like mushrooms after a rain-storm.

Yesterday, I drove 15 minutes to the nearest town and DID NOT SEE ONE Liberal sign. There were about half a dozen Con signs.

The first small, lonely Liberal sign I saw was at a major intersection along with a dozen signs for restaurants, tourist attractions etc.

Either the Liberal candidate is too poor to pay for signs or my rural neighbours don’t want one on their lawn. The provincal election flipped from Liberal to PC and may do it federally too. People are pissed off at about pretty much everything.

Don’t be surprised on election night to see the Blue Wave start in Atlantic Canada.

#34 Dolce Vita on 09.16.21 at 3:35 pm

Dirty Delta.

More good data out from the UK. From a couple of days ago.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1017676/2021-09-14_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides__for_publication_.pdf

What got me was Slide 5. Compare the 70-79 yr olds that were vaxd and got infected vs. infected unvaxd 30-39 yr olds.

And on Slide 6, it’s still the old dying but predominantly the unvaxd.

UK Sage worries Winter could be very bad in the UK in terms of hospitalizations. Wonder of wonders, more people indoors and in enclosed spaces, kids back to school. See page 7, data 8 days ago:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1017129/S1376_SPI-M-O_Consensus_Statement.pdf

They still have high cases and hospitalizations vs. other countries such as Italia, like 5.25X as much in cases (26,911 vs 5,117) and 2.4X the deaths (158 vs. 67). UK has 10% more people than Italia.

Hopefully it goes well for them. Dying to go for a trip to London but not until they get it together on Delta.

#35 Brian on 09.16.21 at 3:37 pm

Covid is hitting vaxed or unvaxed. Why can’t there be scientific debate in this country by the top doctors and scientists with our political leaders? These doctors and scientists are being ignored. Science is ever changing, thats why there was debate in the scientific community before covid. No it is non existant. There is no honest data concerning covid in the country. Why can’t the vaxed eat in a restaurant in Alberta now? My god Garth you are using the CBC election polling numbers!

CBC poll tracker is an amalgam of independent third-party polls. Open your eyes. – Garth

#36 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 3:37 pm

#25 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 3:04 pm
89% of Canadians support a wealth tax: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/08/05/news/canadians-want-wealth-tax-willing-to-vote

The top 1% of Canadians own 25% of all wealth in this country:
https://www.investmentexecutive.com/news/industry-news/canadas-wealthiest-1-hold-25-6-of-riches-new-pbo-report-says/

Billionaires like Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet think the ultra-wealthy should pay more taxes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/cartercoudriet/2019/10/15/billionaires-more-taxes-gates-buffett-bloomberg/?sh=756af2567792

Like single payer health care, single payer pharmacare would save Canada billions: https://www.spph.ubc.ca/universal-public-drug-coverage-would-save-canada-billions/

Canada is the only country in the world with public health care but not public pharmacare: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)32324-4/fulltext#:~:text=Canada%20is%20the%20only%20country,providing%20prescription%20drugs%20(pharmacare).

None of that changes the fact we don’t have enough rich people. The NDP platform is fiction. – Garth

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We have enough rich people to raise more tax revenue. And 89% of Canadians want that.

Or we could, like the Conservatives typically want, make the burden of economic adjustments fall on those least able to bear them.

Or everyone could pay some tax. Today 40% pay none. Of course 89% want someone else to be taxed. Duh. – Garth

#37 Yukon Elvis on 09.16.21 at 3:43 pm

The Taxman cometh. And inflation. It was foretold before the election. 65ish % of us vote for the free lunch. It is all over but the crying.

#38 Vic on 09.16.21 at 3:44 pm

I am in the same direction, Garth. But I think the Kenney mess and the newly NDP-hesitant voters due to scandals and vote-math calculating will push things more liberal.

Liberal majority? A coin toss probably by Monday.

Liberal minority? 95% chance for now.

#39 Dave on 09.16.21 at 3:45 pm

Trudeau is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. While it was stupid to call an election during the pandemic the other parties would have done the same thing–just like Horgan the guy that doles out money for these resource projects that contribute to global warming did. Trudeau doesn’t deserve to win, but who can really bring themeselves to vote for O’tool? Pro gun lobby, no substance to his plan to reduce fossil fuels, not enough to combat Covid…

#40 Natural Selection? on 09.16.21 at 3:46 pm

#210 jess on 09.16.21 at 1:23 pm
anti-consumerist trend ?

The new “lie flat” social protest movement
opting out of getting married, having children, purchasing a home or car, and joining the corporate money-making machine
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Now there’s greeny idea I can get behind, for them at least.

Save the earth greenies, no more kids, please.

No modern technology, no washing machines, ride a stationary bike to power your single lightbulb.

I love to see people with integrity.

Just make sure you label your food in the communal fridge, I hear that can get testy.

#41 Don Guillermo on 09.16.21 at 3:53 pm

Bdwy on 09.14.21 at 8:49 pm
For Don G,

Do you like centro, olas atlas or suburbs or other?
What about matz vs pv?

Got the best taco ive ever tasted in mazatalan , tipped the guy a few bux , when i went back a couple days later he piled so much meat it was comical. Last time there i had a one hour interview to get my dog into a hotel for tbe night. Thinking of a year round rental down that way.

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Bdwy
I was in Canmore for the last few days and was only able to tap my answer to you from my phone.

Kashlee Kutcheran’s article gives a much better breakdown on options to live in Maz than I can.

https://www.traveloffpath.com/where-to-live-in-mazatlan/

#42 Alberta Ed on 09.16.21 at 3:54 pm

I have to shake my head when I see two silver-spoon socialists (one wears a turban, the other dyes his hair) who wear $10,000 wrist watches while blabbering about taxing the rich.

#43 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 3:55 pm

#40 Natural Selection? on 09.16.21 at 3:46 pm
#210 jess on 09.16.21 at 1:23 pm
anti-consumerist trend ?

The new “lie flat” social protest movement
opting out of getting married, having children, purchasing a home or car, and joining the corporate money-making machine
##################################

Now there’s greeny idea I can get behind, for them at least.

Save the earth greenies, no more kids, please.

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They already got ’em in Japan, ironically they are called the “grass eating Men”. No career, no wife, kids, sex – zip. Just video games.

Just a snapshot of how euchred Japan is:

“In a 2011 poll of Japanese boys aged between 16 and 19, 36% described themselves as indifferent or averse towards having sex; the figure for girls in the same age group was at 59%”

Something really big is wrong over there.

#44 Sydneysider on 09.16.21 at 3:56 pm

DELETED (Anti-vax)

#45 Planetgoofy on 09.16.21 at 3:57 pm

I was still ranting on the Old. Great opp to fix some spelling toooo
And reading this one Garth way beyond arrrogant….

#220 Planetgoofy on 09.16.21 at 3:32 pm
#217 James on 09.16.21 at 2:51 pm
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Yes I’ve been ranting here….I don’t have socially media.
Steam off as they say.
I could give a rats if MY RE went up but for the average person trying to start a fam (My kid) Her kid their toast.
T2 has preached over and over he care about affordability. Hes going to fix it.
It was funny for a while now I’m beyond sick of it.
How many times do people need to be lied about before they get it? He IS the epitome of arrogance.

Problem 1 is saving a large down these days impossible, with rocketing prices on everything. Never even mind the price of the shed your looking at. Even if you stretch out and could buy you would be a slave to the Mortgage and bills.
He’s kicked the shit show into overdrive.

The 60% in RE costs in 6 years gained me millions.
Don’t care…I got kids and now one grand kid. This was a great nation….These guys for decades wholesaled our natural resources out the door also.
Nothing done that ever creates sustainability for the population.

Like my friend said the “the sad thing is he’s going to squeak in again”
Ill act accordingly. CYA
I wish I could really say what I think….

#46 NoConMan on 09.16.21 at 3:58 pm

I voted Liberal. The PPC & the whacked out Cons made my choice easy

#47 T-Rev on 09.16.21 at 3:58 pm

Gartho,

I’ll say it again: When are you going to challenge O’Toole for the CPC leadership? I’ll personally commit to fundraising the entry fee. I’ll take a sabbatical to help get you into the role, and then I’ll work to get you elected.

In a nation whose financial house is in shambles, who is struggling with its historical and present identity, and is pathologically obsessed with real estate, who better than to be in charge than a financial planner with experience in public service, a deep knowledge of our shared history, and who happens to be the preeminent authority on housing madness? Dude, the reason we’re in this mess is a lack of good leaders- you could help change that. We’ll all help too. You’re not too old you know.

#48 Debt matters? on 09.16.21 at 4:03 pm

#36 XRGO

We have enough rich people to raise more tax revenue. And 89% of Canadians want that.

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We have $2.5 trillion in official government debt.

All the lefty (and a lot of mainstream) economists are saying “debt doesn’t matter”.

So why would anyone want to give the government even more money, which will just disappear into the giant abyss of orgiastic spending and debt?

Why not just add to the debt at 0% interest? It doesn’t matter, right? Or does it when taxing the rich is involved?

Would seeing the debt only go to $2.9 trillion next year instead of $3 trillion really make things better? Would you feel better knowing that the rich are ‘paying their fair share’?

Would you even notice?

I figure I’d much rather the rich keep their money, maybe they’ll start a business and employ my lazy nephew or buy a ton of Apple products and boost my investment portfolio.

Once it’s sucked into the great black hole, it’s just gone.

#49 I’m stupid on 09.16.21 at 4:04 pm

The advance polls are busy. Really. It could signal voters are eager for change. Or maybe they just don’t want to be packed tightly in line on election day.

None of the above Garth, it’s because it’s something to do. We’ve been prisoners for over a year and a half and this is yard time.

#50 Nothingtaboo on 09.16.21 at 4:06 pm

It’s interesting that conservatives were pleased when the ndp took votes away from the liberals. Now that the Bernier and his party are doing it to the conservatives, it’s considered as an unwelcome voting process. It does level the playing field.

Besides, whoever is guiding the conservative strategy is helping the liberals. The conservatives have blown their opportunity to get a majority, or even a minority because they would rather stick their heads in the sand than move away from their poor decisions.

#51 Shawn Allen on 09.16.21 at 4:06 pm

Too Few Mega-rich people to Tax?

None of that changes the fact we don’t have enough rich people. The NDP platform is fiction. – Garth

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Could be quite true. But a society that now seems to favor Universal Basic Income and free money may not rest until there are zero mega rich people.

One is too many? Not my attitude but it’s a common one it seems.

#52 Euchred? on 09.16.21 at 4:09 pm

#43 IHCTD9

Did you spell ‘eunuched’ wrong? ;-)

#53 Outrage on 09.16.21 at 4:10 pm

#4 P P

I talk to many people in all kinds of jobs and the one’s who even own homes or condo’s are struggling. My Doctor left for Nova Scotia because he had enough of Victoria. Inflation is not keeping up with wages. There is a huge supply of lower skilled jobs but high wage jobs are hard to come by. Sure you make a big wage but the government takes 53 % tax plus all the other taxes. Go ahead ask your average guy or woman how much they save each paycheck ?

#54 RichardTO on 09.16.21 at 4:10 pm

How is it a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” when a full 70-80% of the society had been immunized?

Are you implying the vaccines are wholly ineffective?

Roughly 80% of all current infections are coming from the 30% who are unvaxed. Fools. Then they affect is all. Selfish. – Garth

#55 Planetgoofy on 09.16.21 at 4:11 pm

The NDP has campaigned on a general corporate tax increase, more punitive treatment of high-income earners and a huge jump in the capital gains inclusion rate.
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Dumber than a sack of hammers idea.
That will help capital investment….NOT.
What the hell does he think brings in business investment that requires great risk. Take the reward away and bye bye…..
Another talking head kid that’s just playing a card.
My family came here 300 years ago.
We have a 100 boohoo stories. Nobody cares…..Stop looking in the boo hoo review mirror. Ya I’m 1/2 Irish.
How about lets stop playing race cards and these A holes are the worst.
We are the people of one nation….

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/election-2021/raymond-j-de-souza-wealthy-singhs-life-experience-a-far-cry-from-that-of-most-indigenous-canadians

#56 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 4:15 pm

@#198 Fourth Wave Nonsense

“Please explain how a huge 4th wave happens when only 10% of the population could be possibly considered anti-vax, with most of those being young and healthy and at almost zero risk of dying?

Please use math and assume vaccines are effective, because they are.”

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Hmmm.
Ok.
I’ll use YOUR numbers and math.
10% of Canada’s pop is 3.5 million?

If half of the unvaxxed get really really sick that’s 1.75 million.
( Alberta’s state of emerg. may just be the beginning)

If half of the sick die that’s 850,000 peeps.

Is that “mathy” enough for you?

#57 Planetgoofy on 09.16.21 at 4:17 pm

#46 NoConMan on 09.16.21 at 3:58 pm
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Yes you prefer someone that’s virtually a criminal where as some are not proven as such yet. Look up the word ethics.

#58 Squire on 09.16.21 at 4:19 pm

An obvious attempted power grab by someone not fit to by our leader. Respect your vote and respect your country. Do the right thing.

#59 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 4:21 pm

@XGROW and Chill.

You’re wasting you time Garth.

These sheeple see “the rich” everywhere they turn.

Until the tax man comes for them……

#60 unbalanced on 09.16.21 at 4:24 pm

It’s easy to decide. In Manitoba the PC don’t support unions, teachers or nurses.

#61 Millennial 1%er on 09.16.21 at 4:30 pm

>Meanwhile Max’s PPC has Hoovered up the protest, anti-lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax, pro-choice, hospital-protesting, anti-immigrant, pissed-off Trumpian vote in a way only a pandemic could have allowed

Be careful how you paint them. Many Canadians feel so abandoned that they might pull what America did in 2016 – click on the nuclear option. Mad max baby, let’s go!!\\

One seat wonder. Don’t put you electoral ignorance on such display. Not how you got to be a 1%er, is it? – Garth

#62 Louis on 09.16.21 at 4:31 pm

Bernier is a nothingburger. He will have one seat at best, and nothing to offer anyone. All he can do is ensure Liberals win by eroding blue votes. – Garth

Yes, but he will do exactly that at this election and the next one after. The right is stuck in a no win scenario since the mess that happened with Scheer nomination.

So you need a leader charismatic enough to bring back the PPC+CPC voting bloc in the same ‘big tent’. This is going to be a very hard sell to the PPC voters. They don’t care about vote spliting at this point because they see the CPC under O’tool as being as bad as Trudeau.

They learned zippo from R–e–f–o–r–m. – Garth

#63 Planetgoofy on 09.16.21 at 4:32 pm

If ya vote for a unethical person and maybe AGAIN….
Really what becomes into question is your ethics.

I’m not saying there’s much choice but we certainly found out what doesn’t work.
Hello McFly….

#64 Network Admin on 09.16.21 at 4:32 pm

> Roughly 80% of all current infections are coming from the 30% who are unvaxed. Fools. Then they affect is all. Selfish. – Garth

It is a little unfair, people under 12 are not invited to be vaccinated as of now, 77.5% 12 or older are “fully vaccinated” (see https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/), so it is more like 20% then 30%.

#65 Bloff Witzer You're in the sitatation cloakroom on 09.16.21 at 4:33 pm

The Libs get elected and follow through with taxes on the banks and insurance companies, especially insurance companies, you can bet that will be passed straight through to the consumer.
Any of us here in Ontario will remember that the whole time Jag was down at Queens Park his one big thing was lowering insurance, I think that was what prompted the Liberals (government of the day) to proclaim that they would lower insurance by 15%. Mine isn’t lower, don’t know anyone who pays less for insurance.
I’ll tell you what Justin really thinks, you should just dip into the trust fund your grandfather set up for you to live off of like he does, a little price increase is no problem.

#66 WTF on 09.16.21 at 4:35 pm

PM Perfect minority backed by the Bolshevik party may not be bad in the short term,

Aside from the bloated debt/deficits that are sure to continue, milking everyone via taxes under whatever guise they can dream up is likely to piss off anybody who actually has to work for a living .

As mentioned by GT the 1% mathematically will have negligible impact. The duplicitous weasels are going to hit the majority of taxpayers it always has, The middle class, who are having their pocket picked by EVERY level of government, in every direction, with minimal positive results. Housing a mess, Health care is on life support. $10 a day Child Care isn’t happening.

Wait till the Journalist/ Polyglot/ Non finance minister puts the finishing touches on the Robin Hood Manifesto
“budget”. Oh Boy!

Fast forward 2 years and the anger may be palatable across the board, taxes and debt are already crushing the average canuck by rapacious politicians at every level.

50% of the electorate wants money for nothing. Give this mess back to PM Brilliant and his NDP Lackeys to own it.

The long term damage has already been done unfortunately, Now time for PM Wonder boy to Um and Ahh his way out of it. Perhaps by then the Cons will have gotten their act together.

#67 Kiril Peev on 09.16.21 at 4:37 pm

A graphical representation of the Ottawa real estate market: 2021 vs. 2020 vs 2019.

Key Insights:

1. New listings have reverted back to 2019 seasonal trends.

2. Properties sold per week are also back to 2019 levels. Stress buying (and selling) seems to have ended.

3. Average sale prices (for both condos and residential) peaked in February/March. Overall prices are well above 2019 and 2020 levels. That being said, prices have given back about 5-10% of their gains since the February/March 2021 highs.

4. We are still in a strong sellers’ market. Demand is strong and inventory is tight heading into the autumn market.

https://www.kirilpeev.ca/ottawa-real-estate-2021-vs-2020-vs-2019/

#68 Doug t on 09.16.21 at 4:38 pm

Hahaha people in this country have lost their collective minds – its a comedy of errors out there folks – grab a seat and pass the popcorn, this country is a laugh riot

#69 Barb on 09.16.21 at 4:45 pm

What a depressing future…
say goodbye to investment in Canada by anyone with any money.

#70 RichardTO on 09.16.21 at 4:47 pm

@crowdedelevatorfartz
“If half of the unvaxxed get really really sick that’s 1.75 million.
If half of the sick die that’s 850,000 peeps.”

Comically ridiculous.

After nearly 14 months we KNOW that the COVID mortality rate is 0.03% averaged across ALL AGES. Take out those over 60 who are now mostly immunized, the drops off to levels that are the same as the influenza.

But let’s assume even the mortality rate of 0.03% among the unvaxxed and completely IGNORE the hundreds of thousands of people who have recovered from COVID and are now immune for decades, that’s a total 105,000 deaths, which is still less than the #1 and #2 causes of death in Canada, which are cancer and heart disease taking ~80,000 and ~50,000 Canadians, annually.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401

Your math SUCKS!

#71 Planetgoofy on 09.16.21 at 4:47 pm

#46 NoConMan on 09.16.21 at 3:58 pm
I voted Liberal. The PPC & the whacked out Cons made my choice easy
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Just rereading that again. OMG
“My choice is easy”
Why?! There’s no real leaders at all!
T2 proved with out a doubt he’s a train wreck (ethics, lying, massive inflation and that’s my short list), what don’t people like you understand?

#72 AntMan on 09.16.21 at 5:02 pm

The polls are out to lunch. We’ve seen this consistently over the last decade. In general, people of a conservative nature are less inclined to respond to polls leaving a biased sample set. The only things the polls are good for is helping the chattering class earn their daily crust. After the election they get the “what went wrong with the polls?” dividend. How many times do we need to see this?

#73 Planetgoofy on 09.16.21 at 5:10 pm

Garth
Thank you for being such a solid voice.
I get ya….Your a rarity these days, truly a scholar and a gentleman..
You get going in politics Ill contribute big dough . I ALWAYS keep my word….
Planetgoofys putting the keyboard down. I wish I was as brave and elegant as you. I’m tough in my own way.
Unfortunately the ones that can talk smack the best end up in positions they should not be in. As they say, bullshit baffles brains, and their long on BS and many short on brains and critical thinking.
I’m a doer not a talker.
We will see which Turd floats to the surface election day (pun intended)
I’m riding as high as a kite on my accomplishments but its dam hard to share in that happiness when I see such a mess….People matter….this country matters. Its broken in so many ways.
There’s nothing that makes me happier than a young family being able to buy a new house they CAN afford and I have a big family.
I didn’t have time to care before….Now I have time and money.
Dip shits like T2 are embarrassing to me.
Goofys leaving the building as I’m to pissed…this countries getting wrecked.
Peace out Goofy gone.

#74 Michael in-north-york on 09.16.21 at 5:10 pm

Let’s see who wins. I voted for the Cons this time, in the advanced poll.

“So his 6% support is probably right out of the hide of the Cons, and could ensure T2 emerges on top. The best Max can do is win one seat. His. In doing so he will help re-elect the current PM.”

Yes, for sure the vote split weakens O’Toole’s chances. But the Cons still might win, if the whole PPC thing is just a part of the public mood shift to the right.

In the ridings where Cons and Libs are the main contenders: a vote shifted from Cons to PPC is -1 for the Cons, while a vote shifted from Libs to Cons is effectively +2 for Cons (one more for the Cons and one less for the Libs). Simple math.

#75 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 5:16 pm

#36 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 3:37 pm
#25 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 3:04 pm
89% of Canadians support a wealth tax: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/08/05/news/canadians-want-wealth-tax-willing-to-vote

The top 1% of Canadians own 25% of all wealth in this country:
https://www.investmentexecutive.com/news/industry-news/canadas-wealthiest-1-hold-25-6-of-riches-new-pbo-report-says/

Billionaires like Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet think the ultra-wealthy should pay more taxes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/cartercoudriet/2019/10/15/billionaires-more-taxes-gates-buffett-bloomberg/?sh=756af2567792

Like single payer health care, single payer pharmacare would save Canada billions: https://www.spph.ubc.ca/universal-public-drug-coverage-would-save-canada-billions/

Canada is the only country in the world with public health care but not public pharmacare: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)32324-4/fulltext#:~:text=Canada%20is%20the%20only%20country,providing%20prescription%20drugs%20(pharmacare).

None of that changes the fact we don’t have enough rich people. The NDP platform is fiction. – Garth

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We have enough rich people to raise more tax revenue. And 89% of Canadians want that.

Or we could, like the Conservatives typically want, make the burden of economic adjustments fall on those least able to bear them.

Or everyone could pay some tax. Today 40% pay none. Of course 89% want someone else to be taxed. Duh. – Garth

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Yep. Democracy sucks if you are exploiting the social contract.

#76 JSpier on 09.16.21 at 5:22 pm

DELETED (Anti-vax)

#77 Michael in-north-york on 09.16.21 at 5:23 pm

#25 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 3:04 pm

89% of Canadians support a wealth tax: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/08/05/news/canadians-want-wealth-tax-willing-to-vote
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89% can desire anything. A pink pony, a cartload of diamonds, or a personal spaceship. What matters is how much new revenues you can actually harvest with your new taxes.

I won’t lose any sleep if the tax rates go up. I am not in the tax bracket or wealth bracket where it matters.

The problem is that if you over-commit on spending and fail to collect the matching taxes, you will cause a fiscal crisis. And then almost everyone will suffer; the poor and the middle class alike.

Except those evil rich people whom you want to tax more; they will still do well. Some of them will leave in advance, and those who stay will hire good tax advisors.

#78 Math is Fun on 09.16.21 at 5:25 pm

#56 CEF

I’ll use YOUR numbers and math.
10% of Canada’s pop is 3.5 million?

“If half of the unvaxxed get really really sick that’s 1.75 million.
( Alberta’s state of emerg. may just be the beginning)

If half of the sick die that’s 850,000 peeps.

Is that “mathy” enough for you”

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Math is fun when you pull numbers from thin air. Why not assume 100% die, then that would be 1.75M deaths! Oh my god!

Or you could use some real statistics which we have a lot of by now.

Canada’s rate of infection has been 41,000 per million, and that’s including the time when not a single person was vaccinated.

That resulted in 1,561,000 cases, resulting in 27,311 deaths, a CFR of 0.0175.

So using real statistics instead of stuff pulled from I don’t know where, here’s the math:

41,000 x 3.5 = 143,500 cases of the unvaxxed.

CFR of 0.0174 would mean 2,497 deaths. So you’re ‘math’ was only off by about 34 thousand percent.

Interesting that it’s about 10% of the fatalities we have had so far, as one would expect.

And of course, this assumes the unvaxxed are in proportion to the Country’s demographics, meaning 10% of people over 70 are unvaxxed.

Does that seem likely to you? Or do you think the unvaxxed might be young, healthy people who do not think it will kill them?

In my circle of elderly redneck friends I don’t know one who wasn’t on the phone and computer for hours each day trying to get their vax appointment.

The 2 people I know who are refusing? My 36 yr old female friend who is a vegan health nut, and the pregnant daughter of a doctor friend who works with Covid patients. She’s only concerned because of the pregnancy. She’s perfectly healthy after all.

So how can we make a bet on the outcome? I say from here on in Canada has less than 3,000 deaths until the pandemic is over, you say 850,000.

Closest one wins.

Name your amount.

That is beyond ignorant. – Garth

#79 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 5:27 pm

#52 Euchred? on 09.16.21 at 4:09 pm
#43 IHCTD9

Did you spell ‘eunuched’ wrong? ;-)
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No, but maybe eunuched would have been more accurate :)

#80 Nothingtaboo on 09.16.21 at 5:28 pm

Just went to a pub in BC where they weren’t checking for vaccinations, so I reported them to city bylaw. Business’ like this should be fined and shut down for minimum 60 days.

#81 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 5:36 pm

@#77 Math is Fun

Good to know you live , eat and breath stats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M63C14437rQ

#82 I'm not a doc on 09.16.21 at 5:39 pm

PPC majority in 4 years after this next fiasco which is like a bad dream. It wont matter who wins this round. The “deplorables” and silent majorities are starting to speak up more and more… Just for 4 more years to flatten this curve…Max Mad / Trump look out!

Get off Parler. – Garth

#83 fishman on 09.16.21 at 5:39 pm

Hey Dharma Bum: Don’t sweat underweighting God in your 6G portfolio. We all do. Like we all underweight Bonds in the Garth portfolio portion. How will you know when to top up? Well, the Big Fellow, He’s like the CRA. Comes snooping around when He smells a victim. He’s in our fair land right now. He’s giving us bloggies an upset stomach, combined with a feeling of apprehension. Thats because the lil potato has put a live round in the chamber & is going to spin it Monday. Out of our hands. The right combination comes up?? Time to harvest. Thats his job. Harvesting the innocent victims first. Their the easiest. The bad guys, the instigators come later.

#84 The republic of covidstan on 09.16.21 at 5:39 pm

Where freedumb rules day…. we are number 1!

#85 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.16.21 at 5:45 pm

#79 Nothingtaboo on 09.16.21 at 5:28 pm
Just went to a pub in BC where they weren’t checking for vaccinations, so I reported them to city bylaw. Business’ like this should be fined and shut down for minimum 60 days.
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The least we should do is not patronize them.
Losing customers and money is the only thing they understand.

#86 SunShowers on 09.16.21 at 5:50 pm

There are plenty of places for the NDP to look to generate revenue. Hiking income tax rates is probably the least effective though. Not only that, but we should want to reward this kind of income. You know, the kind people WORK for. We should even look at lowering these if the numbers allow for it.

On the other hand…

Wealth tax? Yes
Financial transaction tax? Yes
Capital gains inclusion rate? 100%. Figuratively and literally.
Corporate subsidies (currently totaling over $30b per year)? Cut ’em.
Corporate tax rates? I’d only raise them for businesses over a certain number of employees. Especially multinational ones.

#87 Wrk.dover on 09.16.21 at 5:52 pm

#33 My Body My Choice on 09.16.21 at 3:27 pm
In my rural patch of Nova Scotia heaven, I would normally see red Liberal signs popped up on lawns like mushrooms after a rain-storm.

Yesterday, I drove 15 minutes to the nearest town and DID NOT SEE ONE Liberal sign
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In my end end of NS the only lib sign I’ve seen is on a property owned by the lib that lost an MLA bid last month. Dies hard.

#88 Phylis on 09.16.21 at 5:54 pm

How big is this evergrande thingy? It seems like the ghost cities are giving it up.

#89 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 5:56 pm

#66 Michael in-north-york on 09.16.21 at 5:23 pm
#25 XGRO and chill on 09.16.21 at 3:04 pm

89% of Canadians support a wealth tax: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/08/05/news/canadians-want-wealth-tax-willing-to-vote
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89% can desire anything. A pink pony, a cartload of diamonds, or a personal spaceship. What matters is how much new revenues you can actually harvest with your new taxes.

I won’t lose any sleep if the tax rates go up. I am not in the tax bracket or wealth bracket where it matters.

The problem is that if you over-commit on spending and fail to collect the matching taxes, you will cause a fiscal crisis. And then almost everyone will suffer; the poor and the middle class alike.

Except those evil rich people whom you want to tax more; they will still do well. Some of them will leave in advance, and those who stay will hire good tax advisors.
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Yep, no sleep loss for me either. The idea that an incoming government will deal out a few new taxes on the “rich” and our Trillion dollar debt problem goes away could only appeal to the dumbest of Canucks.

I literally laugh when news outlets like the CBC trumpet headlines about taxing the “rich” and implying “this is the way”. It’s all an ideological soother for the hoards of Canadians who are having a hell of a time making ends meet, or are suffering from chronic stupidity.

Another round of T2 will be great for my bank account and net worth, but very bad for the under 40 set and every single newcomer to Canada who isn’t rich. The new Canada is for rich folks, and old stock Canadians – and you can thank Trudeau for this situation 110%.

I’m looking forward to 7 figure RE/lot valuations while not being taxed any extra. I’ll vote ABL, but still get to watch my BDP soar with the Liberal (borrowed) cash infusions and BOC rate cuts.

Are you paying attention kids?

#90 Helen on 09.16.21 at 5:58 pm

NoConMan, you just made your life poorer. I hope poverty is your lifestyle because you are going to be eating cat food with high inflation, high carbon taxes, high GST/HST, high income taxes, high energy costs, high electricity costs, high cost of living, high bank other fees etc. with your UBI or really GBI, government basic income. Good luck.

#91 NOSTRADAMUS on 09.16.21 at 5:59 pm

SO MANY PROMISES.
So many goodies. I don’t know who to vote for. However, I can be bought. Sorry mom, but greed wins every time. Realistically, in the end,, nothing will change, but one thing I do Know with 100% certainty, it will end up just another “Sophie”s choice day”. Someone is going to get gassed. Once again beware the” IDES OF NOVEMBER” I am on my throne and I will not step down.

#92 zxcvbnm on 09.16.21 at 5:59 pm

I’ve always voted left. Liberal or NDP. Same with most of my friends.

But this year, almost all of us are voting PPC.

I wouldn’t be so sure that PPC “support is probably right out of the hide of the Cons”

Those of us that grew up listening to punk rock music still remember that it’s the system and corporations and “the man” that’s evil, pandemic or no pandemic. We haven’t lost our punk ethic, so of course we’re voting PPC.

#93 Dogman01 on 09.16.21 at 6:05 pm

#88 Phylis on 09.16.21 at 5:54 pm

Yes – Interesting.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/9/15/what-could-an-evergrande-debt-default-mean-for-china-and-beyond

#94 PBrasseur on 09.16.21 at 6:06 pm

In Canada banks are a cartel , an oligarchy if you prefer, as are insurance companies, telecom companies and so many others. They can be taxed without serious problems for the economy.

Not so for taxes on investment, such as capital gains or dividends no government, Liberal or otherwise will dare touch that one.

#95 Blacksheep on 09.16.21 at 6:08 pm

#80,

“Just went to a pub in BC where they weren’t checking for vaccinations, so I reported them to city bylaw. Business’ like this should be fined and shut down for minimum 60 days.”
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Wow…what a hero.

Is this what our society has come to?

#96 Concerned Citizen on 09.16.21 at 6:12 pm

“And, yup, more taxes. How could it be otherwise?”

Oh, I dunno, what if the Bank of Canada put the burden on the young and other asset poor folks and printed a bajillion dollars, driving inflation well above their mandated range. You know, exactly what they’ve been doing? Because we know the best help to help the disadvantaged is to rapidly decrease their standard of living!

I simply don’t believe the central banks serve the broader population anymore, if they ever did in the first place. They have abandoned their mandates on price stability and gone all-in on their “wealth effect” policies. No bubble is too large! No wealth inequality is unequal enough!

And no one in our gutless media challenges them on any of it. Sickening.

#97 Quintilian on 09.16.21 at 6:13 pm

IHCTD9:
“Good for old stockers like me and Quint’s lucky home owning buddies, but totally bad for just about everyone else.”

Interesting you seem to have a penchant for detesting Trudeau although you also hold him responsible for the winning real estate lotto ticket handed to you.
As for my home owning buddies, (actually homedebtors) they don’t seem to be all that exuberant these days.

They look at the platform of the major parties with trepidation. They seem to think that the current state of the RE market is set for an unwelcome disruption.

And they also fear, that eventually, we will end up like most of Europe with social housing, which makes homeownership nothing to boast about, and the debt something of an albatross.

#98 Roial1 on 09.16.21 at 6:16 pm

#8 Re-Cowtown on 09.16.21 at 2:32 pm

In keeping with the doggy theme, Trudeau is one sick puppy.

Not nearly as sick as the Neo-Con-Anti-Vaxers.

#99 No money in truth! on 09.16.21 at 6:17 pm

I just realized this simple reality.

THERE IS NO MONEY IN TRUTH!

You have to deceive, spin, fake, like, over promise, hope, hype, push, make them want it bad…there in money in THAT.

But there is no money in truth.

Imagine Steve Jobs coming out on stage and saying “We’re going to use 996 Chinese slave labour that will make these workers jump out of buildings to end the misery of assembling these iPhones for you “the better people” and we’re going to make close to 50% margin by overcharging you for it. We’ll tell you for years HTTPS, when it won’t really be secured at all…oops. And we’re going to load software updates that will shorten your battery life. It will track you and we’ll allow creepy social media creeps to load active listening apps and spy on your contacts, photos, calls, where you go, what you do, what you say. $699 each. Orders start today.”

NO MONEY in that.

#100 espressobob on 09.16.21 at 6:18 pm

Hyperbole says it all about this election. Like a sales pitch.

Fast talking bags of hot air that can’t deliver…

What’s a voter to do?

#101 Barb on 09.16.21 at 6:20 pm

30-something years ago, hubs and I visited Hong Kong.
Quite the eye opener, especially with the majority of tenants living in 1,000-unit concrete, 25-65 storey, 300 sq.ft. apartments.

The approach was heart-stopping (before the new airport was built on reclaimed ocean). From the plane windows we could see TVs on, as the plane veered madly left and then right, approaching the airport between the high-rises.

A taxi driver told us income tax was only 10%. No categories. Just 10%. No matter what the gross was.

So people had incentive to work and earn more.
And actually take home more.
Unlike Canada today.
And Canada in the future.

I’m actually glad both Mom and Dad–East Germany escapees in 1955–didn’t live to see what has happened to Canada, their dream homeland!

#102 PC Load Letter on 09.16.21 at 6:29 pm

Garth, I don’t think the opinion polls are capturing the degree of anger and desire for change. Even the diehard Liberals I know are saying they support the platform, but Trudeau has to go.

#103 JTM on 09.16.21 at 6:40 pm

Love your blog Garth, however it bears mentioning that I am neither anti-vax, nor anti-immigration (controlled immigration, that is). However I will not be voting Conservative in this election. People are sick of the unrelenting identity politics of the left and of the Trudeau government. Trudeau’s governance has been reprehensible, but the Cons have drifted too far to the left. People are voting PPC to send a message both to the Conservatives and to signal their disgust at woke identity politics. Both the Cons and the Libs would do well to take heed of this.

Nobody cares about protest votes. – Garth

#104 Michael in-north-york on 09.16.21 at 6:41 pm

#86 SunShowers on 09.16.21 at 5:50 pm

There are plenty of places for the NDP to look to generate revenue.
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– But most of them come with pitfalls

Wealth tax? Yes
– Except that it is easy for the wealthy people to leave and take their capitals with them

Financial transaction tax? Yes
– Can try that, but the markets will try to restructure themselves and reduce the # of transactions

Capital gains inclusion rate? 100%. Figuratively and literally.
– Maybe

Corporate subsidies (currently totaling over $30b per year)? Cut ’em.
– Maybe

Corporate tax rates? I’d only raise them for businesses over a certain number of employees. Especially multinational ones.
– Small businesses already have some tax advantages. Going too far will discourage the multinationals from doing any manufacturing or research in Canada. Only sales. And the small businesses will be interested to keep their employee counts below the threshold, hence reducing the employment opportunities.

Overall, it would be by far more responsible to start collecting the new taxes first, prove that they work, and improve the federal balance sheet in the process. Only after that, plan to spend the newfound revenues.

But the left thinkers want to establish the new government programs first, and deal with the revenue side later. That’s outright reckless.

#105 Reality is stark on 09.16.21 at 6:43 pm

This crazy idea that borrowing and taxes will set us free is idealism and idiocy.
We went down this road once before and Chrétien and Martin had to stop the bleeding. But we want to do it all over again expecting a different result.
When the bond vigilantes take control and start running the joint your politics won’t matter a lick. All your social justice arguments will fall on deaf ears.
No you are right, you don’t need you no man, but paying the bills all by yourself ain’t that much fun either. Be careful what you wish for, it’s hard to get anywhere when you’re getting taxed to death. Especially as opportunity is curtailed.
Socialism is great, for a while.

#106 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 6:43 pm

Bombshell PPC Breaking News:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6c/eb/eb/6cebeb894080e630854384013d87c026.jpg

#107 Chalkie on 09.16.21 at 6:48 pm

Nice photo of Chester, I heard that Chesters Chicken Franchises is about to open many fast food outlets in Canada with a big splash, Chesters Chicken sure looks like a good name for Justin, regardless of this outcome folks, all Canadians will have a sorrowful loss in 2021, it will be History reading in schools for the next couple hundred years. Justin, Erin and Jagmeet or should it be Larry, Moe or Curly Joe.

#108 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 6:52 pm

#72 AntMan on 09.16.21 at 5:02 pm
The polls are out to lunch. We’ve seen this consistently over the last decade. In general, people of a conservative nature are less inclined to respond to polls leaving a biased sample set.
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Probably right. I just got a call and told ‘em I was voting NDP. Hey, why not?

#109 Shawn Allen on 09.16.21 at 6:54 pm

COVID Death rate Lies or just stupid?

After nearly 14 months we KNOW that the COVID mortality rate is 0.03% averaged across ALL AGES. Take out those over 60 who are now mostly immunized, the drops off to levels that are the same as the influenza.

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Okay, so maybe you are talking about the death rate over the whole population, not just those that get the disease?

According to World-o-meter, total world cases are 227.8 million and total deaths are 4.68 million. 4.68/227.8 = 0/02. That’s 2% of those that got the disease.

I don’t like the idea of Russian Roulette even with 49 empty chambers and one with a bullet.

In Canada, the death rate of those that got COVID stands at 1.75% but granted that is 0.07% of the total population given that the vast majority have not caught the virus.

It’s not just death, but long-haul Covid disability, immense strains on health care facilities and hundreds of thousands of cancelled surgeries across Canada affecting people who will won’t get the virus but suffer mightily because of it. Never take the bail the anti-vax trolls throw out. They are piteous. – Garth

#110 Dirty Dan on 09.16.21 at 6:55 pm

> Meanwhile Delta’s turned into a storm, especially in the West. Hugely in AB. It’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated, but everyone is suffering as a result.

Clearly this was caused by all the voters in close proximity, touching the same screen/pencil. Why doesn’t Justin Trudeau care about the people of Canada? And more importantly, why do fools vote for him? Heheh

#111 Dirty Dan on 09.16.21 at 7:00 pm

> Meanwhile Max’s PPC has Hoovered up the protest, anti-lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax, pro-choice, hospital-protesting, anti-immigrant, pissed-off Trumpian vote in a way only a pandemic could have allowed.

As you commented on one of my previous posts, let me throw it back:

“So much drama”. You’re just missing white-hooded flat-earthers in your description.

They are assumed. – Garth

#112 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 7:01 pm

#96 PC Load Letter on 09.16.21 at 6:29 pm
Garth, I don’t think the opinion polls are capturing the degree of anger and desire for change. Even the diehard Liberals I know are saying they support the platform, but Trudeau has to go.
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Yepper. My boss is a blood red Lib, but he’s voting Con this time to get Trudeau tf out. He did the same to get Wynne tf out.

I hope there are many more reasonable centre Libs out there that understand when enough is enough.

#113 Shawn Allen on 09.16.21 at 7:02 pm

COVID Death rate Lies or just stupid?

Oops I wrote that headline before I realized Richard TO was talking about the death rate over the whole population, not over those who get the virus. My apologies for that.

#114 George S on 09.16.21 at 7:03 pm

The problem with people not getting vaccinated is that unless almost everyone is vaccinated then new, more contagious variants of the virus can get going in the population and spread rapidly. The vaccine is about 90% effective which means that 1 out of 10 vaccinated people can get C19 even if they are vaccinated, they almost never die from it though, only the unvaccinated or people with compromised immune systems die. But they clog up the hospitals and overwork and endanger the health care workers.
If people didn’t linger on for weeks on a ventilator before they die and overwhelm the heath care system, nobody would care if people were vaccinated or not. Just like with the influenza vaccine, go ahead and suffer at home for 10 days if you want, nobody cares, but when you start endangering the health and well being of others with your stupidity then there is a problem.

I always thought that if I was a “rich” person and I had to pay more taxes I would just charge an equivalent bit more for my stuff or services to keep me in the style to which I had become accustomed. The 40% of the population that is untaxed would end up paying my taxes for me, as they do right now.

#115 Garth's Son Drake on 09.16.21 at 7:08 pm

So, the result of the election is Trudeau extending his time for 600m. More resourceful spending I see.

Remind me again what Kenny has done for AB?

Jag is the most solid leader. He gets my vote, but his platform and all of the other platforms suck and don’t properly address housing, meaning housing is going to get worse in Canada and even though I own my dream house I don’t want it going up in price along with the taxes.

Make housing cheap again!!!!!!!!!

I would love to see my house value drop 50%.

Lastly, I think if Jack Layton was around that he would be leading the country. He just seemed to have that “it” factor that your rarely find – maybe once in a lifetime and his support was ramping up massively. It is too bad he passed away.

#116 mike from mtl on 09.16.21 at 7:12 pm

#88 Phylis on 09.16.21 at 5:54 pm
How big is this evergrande thingy? It seems like the ghost cities are giving it up.
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Please, they’re certainly a large developer, think Matamy but the only ones hurting are the shafted customers.

While certainly a problem locally it’s not catastrophic outside that dictatorship. CCP has many resources to ‘deal with issues’.

#117 Yuus bin Haad on 09.16.21 at 7:12 pm

Sorry, I missed something … who’s fault is it again?

#118 MadChild on 09.16.21 at 7:17 pm

2023.

I believe in market cycles and by the year 2023 housing in Canada will be making downside headlines.

#119 Mary on 09.16.21 at 7:19 pm

SunShowers, you like taxing so put let us put a 12% points tax on all mortgages in Canada. So your 2% mortgage rate is now 14% today. Let’s put a yearly 25% tax on all annual CMHC premiums.

Let’s put an annual $1,000+HST/GST mobile device tax. Let’s put an annual mortgage registration tax of $1,000 a year. Let’s put an annual surtax of $10,000 to $15,000 a year for every government worker in Canada.

Let’s put a one time 80% 10 year retro tax on all government funding to our media in Canada. Let’s put a $400 a month condo, maintenance, registration tax on all condos in Canada.

Let’s put a 3% annual pensions value tax of all government workers in Canada. Let’s put an annual politician’s tax of say 90% over any money received in any form above $150,000 a year per politician in Canada.

Let’s put a 25% GST/HST rate on all real estate closing costs from real estate commissions to lawyer fees. Let’s put a 50% tax on all lump sum insurance proceeds received.

Let’s put a federal land transfer tax of 10% under properties sold in less than 10 years.Let’s put an annual tax of $5,000 for real estate, mortgage industry employees salaries, commissions, wages.

Let’s put a $1,000 a year tax for all federally regulated financial industry employees and management, all higher positions.

Let’s put a one time 5% tax on all debt per company, individual, entity for registration purposes. Let’s put an annual internet, phone, TV etc. tax of $300 a year.

You see I can go on and on putting taxes on all sort of things. It is easy. You don’t need a bunch of degrees, diplomas to do it. It is said to tax is to destroy. It is easier to destroy then create, build something.

All the NDP, Liberals, Greens, Left in general do is put us all in a harder situation to live, pay our bills, taxes etc. and make everyone poorer. The more you tax all of Canada, the more you destroy Canada. By the way, high deficit and debt accumulation, spending and paying more interest on all the debts is a tax on all of us through higher inflation, cost of living we are seeing now with their understated 4.10% inflation stat which is still high. Grow up, be an adult and use your brain for once.

#120 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 7:28 pm

@ Richard The Great from Toronto
“Your math SUCKS!”

+++

Perhaps .
But I dont have to live in Terranna.

#121 Pete on 09.16.21 at 7:32 pm

Mary, I would add a 95% tax on all money printed by the Bank of Canada that is above the money generated in GDP, production in any time period. This would keep a lid on out of control money printing from central banks.

#122 MAD MEN on 09.16.21 at 7:34 pm

FYI – Rebrand

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has now been dubbed Comirnaty, which the company says represents a combination of the terms COVID-19, mRNA, community, and immunity.

The Moderna vaccine will go by SpikeVax.

AstraZeneca vaccine will be named Vaxzevria.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-top-covid-19-vaccine-names-updated-in-canada/

From a branding side of things, gotta tell you, these are some terrible brand names.

This was the time to do some nice branding to help uptake, make it sound cool. Instead…

Comirnaty – Does it have to have “Comi” in it?

SpikeVax – Is that pronounced Spy….K-Vax? MicroChips?

Vaxzevria – STD? It sure sound like one to me.

I would fire all 3 marketing departments. Extremely poor re-branding.

There are no cool marketing Mad Men left.

#123 Nonplused on 09.16.21 at 7:37 pm

“It’s ironic those most supportive of ‘progressive’ leftist politics are the same house-hungry young buyers whose votes may guarantee they never afford a home.”

What does that even mean, “afford a home”? What is a home? Are we talking about the 800 sqft bungalow (it did have a basement and a 1 car garage) my dad built himself with his own hands on the very outskirts of town? You could still do that in the early 70’s. It was a real beauty, 2 bedrooms, a kitchen/dining room combo, a livingroom, and a 3 piece bath. And ya 800 sqft. The siding was wood and the roof was asphalt. The counters were Arborite. The basement did receive some development over the years though.

What would it take to “afford” something like that today? I think finding the land to develop as you please is the main hurdle, but this house itself could be afforded by many.

Or what about all the war houses they built after the war? Many of those didn’t even have a basement. Just some “Rock Wool” in the walls and zonolight in the attic. Maybe 600 sqft. Are these the “homes” we can’t afford anymore? Or were houses always expensive?

Why did “the Fonz” live in the Cunningham’s garage instead of his own pad?

Or have we got it so good today that we can’t imagine having to balance square footage with commute times? And how is Trudeau going to reduce commute times?

“Affordable housing” is as ethereal as “tax the rich”. We can’t even talk about it until we come to an understanding of what the words mean. Does “rich” mean the top 1% by global income standards? Ok, in Canada that is therefore everyone. Does wealth include a farmer’s field and cows? How then shall he make milk? Wouldn’t it be better to tax the milk? But we already do so we are obviously looking for something more.

The solution here is obvious. We must put our faith in glamorous politicians that wear “Tax the Rich” dresses to $35,000 per seat gala events.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16143324/aoc-450-gold-earrings-tax-rich-dress-met-gala/

#124 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 7:42 pm

#97 Quintilian on 09.16.21 at 6:13 pm
IHCTD9:
“Good for old stockers like me and Quint’s lucky home owning buddies, but totally bad for just about everyone else.”

Interesting you seem to have a penchant for detesting Trudeau although you also hold him responsible for the winning real estate lotto ticket handed to you.
As for my home owning buddies, (actually homedebtors) they don’t seem to be all that exuberant these days.

They look at the platform of the major parties with trepidation. They seem to think that the current state of the RE market is set for an unwelcome disruption.

And they also fear, that eventually, we will end up like most of Europe with social housing, which makes homeownership nothing to boast about, and the debt something of an albatross.
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That’s called being intellectually honest, not interesting. Trudeau is a wholesale disaster, and Trudeau has pumped my net worth to the moon. Both true. I point both these facts out at every opportunity hoping the kids will catch on.

Your home own/debt-ing buds do indeed have a lot to fear. Tons. But they will sleep a lot better if Trudeau gets in amirite? That’s a fact. Even if it costs taxpayers another 350 Billion. It ain’t his money, no more than his trust fund is.

Who you voting for again bro?

Just sayin homie. You are voting for the enrichment of old stock Canadians and your home owning buds. Don’t pretend the RE market will collapse anytime soon in the face of a government hell bent for leather on preserving home equities. Not to mention a BOC that totally seems to be supporting the borrowing orgy proposed by Trudeauesque politicians.

Lots of tricks still in the bag. Look at Trudeau’s FTHTFSA taxpayer subsidized DP plan for an example. I’ll bet you didn’t see that one coming eh? None of us did. You can’t even dream up all the ways the gas bag can be made to gain psi. How about 30-40 year mortgages? How about zero interest government DP loans? How about…?

It’s time to get real son, you’re voting for a silver-spoon fed narcissist jock millionaire. He don’t gaf about you, he just wants your vote. He’ll say whatever you want to hear. He’s good either way. This RE bloat can go on a lot longer than you can wait for a correction. You can take that one to the bank.

#125 david on 09.16.21 at 7:45 pm

O’Toole did not have much to do to win:
– Talk about the scandals that plague Trudeau’s reign
– Insist on the stupid deficits and votes buying
– Continue to unite the country by resisting vaccine passport
– Avoid topics such as gun control which are non issue for most Canadians and are only traps from the mainstream media

But he was so eager to get votes from Liberals (I can understand moderate Liberals are tired of Justin), he screwed up on all these subjects and lost part of his base (who went for Mad Max)

The day the centrist conservatives stop patronizing people from their side, they will maybe win again.

#126 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 7:59 pm

#114 George S on 09.16.21 at 7:03 pm

The problem with people not getting vaccinated is that unless almost everyone is vaccinated then new, more contagious variants of the virus can get going in the population and spread rapidly. The vaccine is about 90% effective which means that 1 out of 10 vaccinated people can get C19 even if they are vaccinated, they almost never die from it though, only the unvaccinated or people with compromised immune systems die. But they clog up the hospitals and overwork and endanger the health care workers.
If people didn’t linger on for weeks on a ventilator before they die and overwhelm the heath care system, nobody would care if people were vaccinated or not. Just like with the influenza vaccine, go ahead and suffer at home for 10 days if you want, nobody cares, but when you start endangering the health and well being of others with your stupidity then there is a problem

————

The only reason that Covid patients are supposedly overwhelming the health care system is that the system was already at or near capacity prior to covid; Covid ICU cases represent just 5% of ICU admissions for all causes. We had almost 2 years to address this problem. And now they are firing nurses and exacerbating the problem!

Secondly, Covid is never going away because the vaccine is leaky (does not prevent infection or transmission) and vaccine immunity lasts only 6 to 8 months.

Lastly, no focus has been put on therapeutics which can prevent covid patients from ending up in hospital in the first place.

This is a failure of policy, so blame is more appropriately placed on government and the media for perpetuating bad policy, than at the feet of antivaxxers. We are 85% vaxxed, there are only a couple drops of juice left in that lemon. Antivaxxers are merely a scapegoat…

But the narrative is already crumbling and soon it will become obvious to all that we cannot vax our way out of this, as I have been saying from the very beginning.

#127 BC Renovator on 09.16.21 at 8:02 pm

Depressing. I might as well give Max my vote now as they resonate closest with my Values (with exception to the pandemic and the Vax).
To vote Con is now a waste of a vote with a Liberal guarantee. FML 4 more years of PM Nanny

#128 TrueLies on 09.16.21 at 8:16 pm

80% of ‘infections’ are in the unvaccinated?
Well, with a highly flawed and easily manipulated PCR procedure (routinely ramped up to a CT>35, which makes it meaningless, even as per Dr. Fauci), these numbers are also misleading.
As per election, I will be voting PPC because it’s the only party that seems to respect my freedom to choose whether I want the jab.
You say that politics are all about math; I say they are, first and foremost about principles. Without principles societies degenerate towards the abyss…one vote, one decision at a time.

#129 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 8:20 pm

@#115 Drake the son

“Lastly, I think if Jack Layton was around that he would be leading the country. He just seemed to have that “it” factor”

*****

Please.
I met Mr Layton at an NDP “Meet and greet” at my local pub.
They could only afford to reserve half the pub….the regulars were amused.

Nice guy but still a socialist.
And there was that issue with his “bad back” in Toronto at the massage parlor….. :0

#130 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 8:22 pm

#104 Michael in-north-york on 09.16.21 at 6:41 pm
#86 SunShowers on 09.16.21 at 5:50 pm

There are plenty of places for the NDP to look to generate revenue.
===

– But most of them come with pitfalls…

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Lots of home runs for Michael in-north-york tonight. Trying to tax the crap out of rich folks just doesn’t work. It’s historical. About the time the government actually figures out how to do it, they just leave. Ask Emmanuel Macron for details. France lost so many millionaires after Macron’s new tax the rich policies, he had to rescind them because revenues were going DOWN. It’s an inconvenient fact, multi-millionaires can just leave. They’re human too, they know when they’re getting it up the wazoo, and they feel it when their countrymen want to make them foot the bill for stupid fiscal policy and spending gang-bangs. They probably didn’t vote for it.

Taxing the rich in Canada would be a joke. Not enough of them out there to make a difference as belaboured here by Mr. T. Only the dumbest, most brokeassed Canadians could buy into this stupid idea – and only likely because their life here is suckin’ huge.

Maybe a good message written between the lines there…

#131 RichardTO on 09.16.21 at 8:22 pm

@Shawn Allen
“In Canada, the death rate of those that got COVID stands at 1.75%”

It’s nowhere near that because most COVID infections are undetected not more severe than a regular cold. Like my own 2-day bout with COVID.

In almost every nation in the West with obese and old populations, the average death rate hovers around 0.03%. Over, and over and over again.

#132 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 8:26 pm

#119 Mary on 09.16.21 at 7:19 pm

SunShowers, you like taxing so put let us put a 12% points tax on all mortgages in Canada. So your 2% mortgage rate is now 14% today. Let’s put a yearly 25% tax on all annual CMHC premiums.

Let’s put an annual $1,000+HST/GST mobile device tax. Let’s put an annual mortgage registration tax of $1,000 a year. Let’s put an annual surtax of $10,000 to $15,000 a year for every government worker in Canada.

Let’s put a one time 80% 10 year retro tax on all government funding to our media in Canada. Let’s put a $400 a month condo, maintenance, registration tax on all condos in Canada.

Let’s put a 3% annual pensions value tax of all government workers in Canada. Let’s put an annual politician’s tax of say 90% over any money received in any form above $150,000 a year per politician in Canada.

Let’s put a 25% GST/HST rate on all real estate closing costs from real estate commissions to lawyer fees. Let’s put a 50% tax on all lump sum insurance proceeds received.

Let’s put a federal land transfer tax of 10% under properties sold in less than 10 years.Let’s put an annual tax of $5,000 for real estate, mortgage industry employees salaries, commissions, wages.

Let’s put a $1,000 a year tax for all federally regulated financial industry employees and management, all higher positions.

Let’s put a one time 5% tax on all debt per company, individual, entity for registration purposes. Let’s put an annual internet, phone, TV etc. tax of $300 a year.

You see I can go on and on putting taxes on all sort of things. It is easy. You don’t need a bunch of degrees, diplomas to do it. It is said to tax is to destroy. It is easier to destroy then create, build something.

All the NDP, Liberals, Greens, Left in general do is put us all in a harder situation to live, pay our bills, taxes etc. and make everyone poorer. The more you tax all of Canada, the more you destroy Canada. By the way, high deficit and debt accumulation, spending and paying more interest on all the debts is a tax on all of us through higher inflation, cost of living we are seeing now with their understated 4.10% inflation stat which is still high. Grow up, be an adult and use your brain for once

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Amen.

The only way out is to drastically reduce the size of government.

Related:

https://drkevincampbellmd.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/growth-in-administrators.jpg

#133 cuke and tomato picker on 09.16.21 at 8:27 pm

If O’Toole gets in do we get a combination of Harper,
Ford, and King Kenny.

#134 Shawn Allen on 09.16.21 at 8:32 pm

MOVE MONEY TO HIGHER INTEREST ACCOUNTS

About the only way consumers can get banks to offer higher interest rates on deposits is to shop around and move money to the highest rate offered where they can. (After considering any higher risk or restrictions on the money).

Banks do compete for deposits but customers tend to not to shop around much or to move their money. There are various reasons why we mostly don’t move money around for a better rate.

But if customers would keep moving money to higher interest accounts offered by competitors then banks will have to raise deposit interest rates and then they would raise lending interest rates.

I have been lazy about this and have not moved money to higher interest rate accounts very often at all.

For one thing though, much of my money is in registered accounts. You can’t simply move a deposit out of an RRSP account or RESP account without opening a new RRSP or TFSA account. I could move my whole RRSP account to a different bank but that is very inconvenient. I could open a second RRSP account and transfer some cash. That adds complexity. Basically the money I have in registered accounts is captive to my bank and they know it and pay me no interest.

But I do have some cash in a margin account. And I have a Simplii Financial high interest account. But the regular rate on that so-called high interest account is just 0.1%. Not worth bothering with. But they have a promotion right now and will pay 2% for new deposits just for the six months ending Feb 28. I already missed two weeks of that but I can move money over and get the 2% for 5.5 months. On, say $50k that is $458 for me (pre-tax) if I leave the money until February 28. And I can grab the money back to my margin account at any time.
Perhaps in March if I still have this cash I will open an account with whoever is paying the highest rate online at that time.

So, having suggested that people shop for better interest rates I have now transferred some cash to Simplii Financial. If enough of us do this it eventually has an impact.

Our inertia and the inconvenience of switching banks or even moving money around allows the banks to take advantage of us. That’s fair game. But we can fight back at least a little if we want to.

Yes, I know my big bank won’t even notice this but if enough people do it… In any case a symbolic victory for me.

The more money you have sitting idle in accounts where it is easily moved the more worthwhile this is.

Obviously, I not suggesting that having a bunch of cash is a great strategy. But if you do have it for whatever reason, may as well try to get a higher rate and give your bank some incentive to pay more.

#135 ElGatoNerodeYVR on 09.16.21 at 8:34 pm

#92 zxcvbnm on 09.16.21 at 5:59 pm
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Those of us that grew up listening to punk rock music still remember that it’s the system and corporations and “the man” that’s evil, pandemic or no pandemic. We haven’t lost our punk ethic, so of course we’re voting PPC.
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Ah ,punk rock reminds me of the “Dead Kennedys ” song “Kill the poor” ?
Different era, same message.
Sorry Garth ,don’t think people will click on the link so here are the lyrics.
Source: Musixmatch
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Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the neutron bomb
It’s nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home
The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight
Gonna kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor tonight
Behold the sparkly of champagne
The crime rate’s gone, feel free again
Oh life’s a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it’s okay
So let’s get dressed and dance away the night
While they kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor tonight
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor tonight
Behold the sparkly of champagne
The crime rate’s gone, feel free again
Oh life’s a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it’s okay
So let’s get dressed and dance away the night
While they kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor tonight

#136 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 8:37 pm

#118 MadChild on 09.16.21 at 7:17 pm
2023.

I believe in market cycles and by the year 2023 housing in Canada will be making downside headlines.
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Great handle. You from BC?

#137 yvr_lurker on 09.16.21 at 8:42 pm

My wife (who makes now over 200K) is an argent NDP supporter and campaigned locally when Jack Layton was alive (who was someone I could vote for) has told me I can’t sit on the couch on the 20th. Wants me to support Jagmeet’s “team”. At this stage, who cares as none of them are inspiring. If Elizabeth May was still then Green leader, I would throw my vote her way… but the current Green leader is not my cup of tea…

#138 Yukon Elvis on 09.16.21 at 9:00 pm

#124 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 8:22 pm
Taxing the rich in Canada would be a joke. Not enough of them out there to make a difference as belaboured here by Mr. T. Only the dumbest, most brokeassed Canadians could buy into this stupid idea – and only likely because their life here is suckin’ huge.
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But is sounds so good and so noble. And virtuous. People want noble and virtuous along with the free lunch. That is what wins elections.
Noble causes like climate change, systemic racism, tax the rich, inclusion, reparations, feminism, she-sessions, and free stuff wins elections. Balancing budgets gets you nothing.

#139 yvr_lurker on 09.16.21 at 9:01 pm

#119 Mary
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Sunshowers has some decent points, and I am a boomer. Your last message taking his comments to another galaxy indicates to me that you need to increase your meds.

And Mr. CrowdedFartz, Chomksy is an octogenarian but still very relevant in our times. I enjoy his insights along with Reich from Berkeley, as do my friends.

#140 Shawn Allen on 09.16.21 at 9:06 pm

So just what is the covid death rate?

#130 RichardTO on 09.16.21 at 8:22 pm responded to me:

@Shawn Allen
“In Canada, the death rate of those that got COVID stands at 1.75%”

It’s nowhere near that because most COVID infections are undetected not more severe than a regular cold. Like my own 2-day bout with COVID.

In almost every nation in the West with obese and old populations, the average death rate hovers around 0.03%. Over, and over and over again.

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Garth may be right you are a troll and not worthy of responding to.

But if you are suggesting that the death rate among those who get COVID is 0.03% then you either very stupid and believe lies or deliberately telling your own lies. In either case it is dangerous.

I gave you the source that the death rate of those with COVID cases is 2.0% worldwide and 1.75% for Canada. See World-o-meter.

On topo of that as Garth mentioned above there is the long haul and other impacts.

You give no source and leave it ambiguous whether you mean death rate of the entire population including those that never got COVID or you mean of those who got COVID.

I will grant that you are right that the World-o-meter figure is exaggerated to the extent there re undiagnosed cases. But it is impossible to know how many cases are undiagnosed. Your claimed 0.03% figure is 67 times lower than what World-o-Meter reports.

Your figure has no credibility and appears to be a blatant and dangerous lie.

#141 Rural Rick on 09.16.21 at 9:10 pm

Anti vax are you? How about when your hero Maxime Bernier leaves my town after a no mask love fest event and our ICU and acute care units are now full of covid patients. If you are having a medical problem in Chatham Kent you are going to London or Windsor now.
Just get your rabies/distemper shot. You do it for your dog.

#142 Sunshowers on 09.16.21 at 9:12 pm

#104 Michael in-north-york on 09.16.21 at 6:41 pm
“It is easy for the wealthy people to leave and take their capitals with them”

Actually, most serious studies on the issue have concluded that this does not actually happen.

https://www.sup.org/books/extra/?id=27987&i=Chapter%201.html

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/20/if-you-tax-the-rich-they-wont-leave-us-data-contradicts-millionaires-threats

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/05/10/high-taxes-dont-make-rich-people-move/?sh=512addcb25e3

https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/media/_media/pdf/pathways/summer_2014/Pathways_Summer_2014_YoungVarner.pdf

#143 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 9:13 pm

hmmm

7,000,000 Canadians have either not recieved a vaccine or only one shot.

Alberta declares a State of Emergency.

Quebec has told 20,000 health care workers to get vaccinated by Oct15 or they are out.

Gonna be an interesting Winter for mathematicians….

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#144 Doug t on 09.16.21 at 9:14 pm

#137 Yukon Elvis

Yup – don’t forget rainbows and unicorns – can’t have enough of that sh*t apparently

#145 Quintilian on 09.16.21 at 9:14 pm

#137 Yukon Elvis
Balancing budgets gets you nothing.

Because, there is no need to do so at this time, and it would be detrimental.

#146 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 9:22 pm

US Hospitals the flu season hasn’t really started yet and hospitals are already overwhelmed.
Surgeries have been cancelled to free up doctors and nurses for ICU care.

Covid is getting worse.
Much much worse.
One can only wonder when the next mutation will surface

#147 Catalyst on 09.16.21 at 9:35 pm

You can’t say a vote for the PPC is a vote for libs garth. How about the NDP? If they didnt exist, libs would have like 65% of the vote.

#148 Nonplused on 09.16.21 at 9:36 pm

“None of that changes the fact we don’t have enough rich people. The NDP platform is fiction. – Garth”

When I stand on top of a mountain (even if it took a ski lift to get my sorry out of shape butt up there) and survey the valleys and the vast distances, I realize I am truly rich to own my share of this country. Of course it is not taxable. I’d have to sell to China.

So some dude put up a fence around a piece of land he calls his and his wife put a couple horses on it. Are they really “rich”?

This argument won’t go well until we can at least define the words. We want to “tax the rich” but we can’t even agree who is rich and what their “wealth” to be taxed even is. Is a doctor rich? How about a nurse? A garbage collector? A used car salesman? A plumber?

And it a dangerous path to follow, as the wealth is mostly a mark to market fantasy. Like all fantasies, eventually the dreamer awakes. What happens to all those capital gains taxes when housing prices collapse 50%? Who will be bidding $1.5 million for a slanty crack house when interest rates are 6%? What sort of wealth taxes could we have collected on Nortel, RIM, and Bre-X investors? Sure, we could collect taxes on oil company stock options during 2006. And we did. Lots of taxes. It’s partly why the budget looked a lot better back then. There were a few people that actually had capital gains.

It is a pretty perilous course to make policy based on ethereal mark to market fantasies and other ghosts we see in the night. Sure, maybe TESLA is worth $3,000 a share. I’d say it looks more like $0, at least rounding to the nearest $1,000. I sure wouldn’t try and balance the California state budget based on wealth and capital gains taxes extrapolated from what some RobinHood trader was bidding up the price because SpaceX managed to put 4 more people in space.

Remember folks, it can’t be taxed without turning it into money. And there isn’t enough cash in the world to do that with all the “wealth”. There are no marginal buyers. Just magic numbers.

It all reminds me of the “Trillion Dollar Coin” proposal some years back. But you can stamp whatever you want on the coin, it ain’t worth nothing but what you can trade it for. Otherwise a small change at the mint and we could all be trillionaires. And why not? It is a loonie idea.

#149 Nonplused on 09.16.21 at 9:46 pm

#61 Millennial 1%er on 09.16.21 at 4:30 pm
>Meanwhile Max’s PPC has Hoovered up the protest, anti-lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax, pro-choice, hospital-protesting, anti-immigrant, pissed-off Trumpian vote in a way only a pandemic could have allowed

Be careful how you paint them. Many Canadians feel so abandoned that they might pull what America did in 2016 – click on the nuclear option. Mad max baby, let’s go!!\\

One seat wonder. Don’t put you electoral ignorance on such display. Not how you got to be a 1%er, is it? – Garth

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Sometimes it is useful to look at US politics, sometimes it is not. Is mad max filling up stadium after stadium and cruising around in his own plane? Hmmm, no?

#150 Philco on 09.16.21 at 9:48 pm

#125 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 7:59 pm
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Bingo
If they cant figure out what to do still…..
Ya know their full of lies all over the place. Nothing new its the government.
No offence to Mrs Bonnie but she is a sad puppet. She doesn’t know anything. We are just winging it and its a massive tool for the dopes in charge.

#151 Ustabe on 09.16.21 at 9:49 pm

#132 cuke and tomato picker on 09.16.21 at 8:27 pm

If O’Toole gets in do we get a combination of Harper,
Ford, and King Kenny.

During times like this I tend to not have much to offer seeing as how there are so many subject matter experts already here.

But I will offer this: I tend to poke around the smaller center’s websites and news sites. I like watching the candidates from Armpit, Saskatchewan and Pumphandle, Manitoba doing their town halls, meet and greets and such.

Now this observation is not scientific but I’m going to day at least 20 and maybe 30% of the CPC candidates in the hinterland are wearing purple ties.

A signal to the huddled masses or just a fashion trend I am once again not up to speed on?

#152 Anybody know? on 09.16.21 at 9:51 pm

Does Canada have a test for Delta?

#153 facts on 09.16.21 at 9:52 pm

DELETED (Anti-vax)

#154 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 9:53 pm

#127 TrueLies on 09.16.21 at 8:16 pm

As per election, I will be voting PPC because it’s the only party that seems to respect my freedom to choose whether I want the jab.
You say that politics are all about math; I say they are, first and foremost about principles. Without principles societies degenerate towards the abyss…one vote, one decision at a time.

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I agree with you and PPC would have my vote on principle alone in any other election…

But this is our one chance to oust the bastard that’s destroying our country and my son’s future. And he will only accelerate if re-elected.

It’s time to be pragmatic and vote CPC at this point.

PPC has already made a huge splash, will be in the debates for the next election and will be a force to be reckoned with going forward – and they will have my full support… But, BUT one thing at a time, and first order of business is removing T2. PPC is not in a position to do that just yet, unfortunately.

#155 PPC I Love on 09.16.21 at 10:03 pm

Voting PPC! They’re the real conservatives. Conservatives/Liberals are exactly the same Leftists. O’Toole’s Conservatives did nothing more than steal the Liberal platform.

#156 N on 09.16.21 at 10:07 pm

When all is said and done…. Max will surprise a lot of folks.

The one who laughs last, laughs best.

#157 Alpha Dog on 09.16.21 at 10:12 pm

If the Conservatives don’t gain power it’s not the fault of Max Beriner and the PPC. It’s their own fault for trying to be liberals in everything but name. They’re certainly not conservatives. Maybe losing again will smarten them up, but I doubt it. The woke, leftist cadres are too embedded in the CPC. Maybe Max and the PPC will be the answer to the fundamental change we need in this country!!

#158 Farmer Brown on 09.16.21 at 10:25 pm

I think I need to make new friends. None of the ones I have now will vote Liberal and can’t wait to get rid of the current government. But then, I live in Paradise on the West Coast. Maybe it would be different if I was from the GTA?

#159 canuck on 09.16.21 at 10:49 pm

They learned zippo from R–e–f–o–r–m. – Garth
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The CPC didn’t learn anything from Reform either. That’s why they’re struggling to even get a minority gov’t. Should be a cakewalk against that pathetic excuse for a PM but nope. The CPC needs to gut their executive.

#160 AM in MN on 09.16.21 at 10:50 pm

#136 yvr_lurker on 09.16.21 at 8:42 pm

My wife (who makes now over 200K) is an argent NDP supporter
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And what does she do to make over $200k/yr?

Let me guess it involves some level of government, directly or indirectly.

I’ll venture a guess that she’s not involved in a private sector company taking all of the risks of capitalism and paying through the nose in taxes to support those who live so well with no risk?

I can understand people like this voting NDP because they want even more of someone else’s hard earned, but I can’t respect it.

What about the future and the debt burden being passed to the children and grandchildren? Do you have kids?

#161 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 10:53 pm

#156 Alpha Dog on 09.16.21 at 10:12 pm

If the Conservatives don’t gain power it’s not the fault of Max Beriner and the PPC. It’s their own fault for trying to be liberals in everything but name. They’re certainly not conservatives. Maybe losing again will smarten them up, but I doubt it. The woke, leftist cadres are too embedded in the CPC. Maybe Max and the PPC will be the answer to the fundamental change we need in this country!!

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The shift left was to gain more liberal voters – who don’t like Trudeau but are afraid to vote conservative – than he loses to PPC, by doing so.

Massive gamble.

#162 Nonplused on 09.16.21 at 10:54 pm

#134 ElGatoNerodeYVR on 09.16.21 at 8:34 pm

Except that the Dead Kennedys and the whole punk “movement” was a marketing initiative developed in a boardroom. There was nothing organic about it.

#163 Trojan House on 09.16.21 at 10:56 pm

139 Shawn Allen on 09.16.21 at 9:06 pm

That is because you are confusing the case fatality ratio with the infection fatality ratio. I’m not surprised that you do though as most people do.

The infection fatality ratio is what they measure when you hear the flu’s death rate is 0.15%. According to Stanford professor, John Ionnidis, who looked at seroprevalence studies, there are millions of undetected infections – including those that may have not been reported or not tested – which make the IFR closer to the flu.

On the other hand, the case fatality ratio is based on known cases of the disease. I believe here in Canada, it’s about 2 million confirmed cases and about 27,000 deaths. Therefore, the CFR is close to the sources you provided.

#164 PastThePeak on 09.16.21 at 10:57 pm

I won’t say that Canada is doomed (yet)…but it will go through at least a decade of economic destruction and despair…and only after this will there be a potential for the electorate to come to their senses and demand real solutions vs. virtue signalling/envy/pride/delusion.

Unfortunately, only the school of hard knocks provides an education for most…

#165 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 11:01 pm

#137 Yukon Elvis on 09.16.21 at 9:00 pm
#124 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 8:22 pm
Taxing the rich in Canada would be a joke. Not enough of them out there to make a difference as belaboured here by Mr. T. Only the dumbest, most brokeassed Canadians could buy into this stupid idea – and only likely because their life here is suckin’ huge.
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But is sounds so good and so noble. And virtuous. People want noble and virtuous along with the free lunch. That is what wins elections.
Noble causes like climate change, systemic racism, tax the rich, inclusion, reparations, feminism, she-sessions, and free stuff wins elections. Balancing budgets gets you nothing
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Aye, but if that’s what today’s Canucks want, far be it from me to deny. I got it pretty easy as a child of the old Canada – paid for house, 7 fig BDP in the making – almost as good as our trust-fund jock frat boi PM (but not quite…). And all on a couple run-of-the-mill incomes. So much for that homies, – thanks LPC.

Ima vote con because I’m not an idiot, but honestly, I’d be better off with Trudeau. That’s because I’m a last Gen Canadian to enjoy the fruits of a well run country, and it just ain’t gonna matter who’s running the show now, I’ve already won. Even more-so if Trudeau gets another round. Way more homies. A Trudeau win, is a Gen-X on up home-run.

Sorry lefty’s, deep down inside, you know it’s the truth. The longer you reject it, the richer we get. I hope your partisanship outweighs your common sense, because my bank account thanks you in advance :).

I try to get pissed off, but when my house gains another 100k, and my DBP shoots up double digits every year – it’s just hard ya know?

What-ev. I got decisions to be made regarding new trucks and salmon fishing boats. I’ll park ‘em in the garage right next to the two quads, street-bike, and $12k zero-turn.

Monday I’ll vote O’toole, and try to give a rip. Canada is going down IMHO, but I ain’t the one paying the bill for it – too late. Today, we have Trudeau’s Canada, custom built for the enrichment of asset owning Old Stock Canucks. The invoice for my enrichment will be addressed to the Mils. Sorry bro’s, but you’re starting to get it by now – right?

#166 Nonplused on 09.16.21 at 11:11 pm

#142 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 9:13 pm
hmmm

7,000,000 Canadians have either not recieved a vaccine or only one shot.

Alberta declares a State of Emergency.

Quebec has told 20,000 health care workers to get vaccinated by Oct15 or they are out.

Gonna be an interesting Winter for mathematicians….

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True. Infinity divided by zero is either still infinity or a divide by error. The question is if a large enough computer is forced to repeat the equation indefinitely will a black hole form? The answer should be coming from from the budget office soon.

Don’t worry about those covid numbers, they are all real world based. Just numbers. It is the imaginary numbers coming out of budget land than have the power to truly warp space and time into contortions previously unimaginable.

#167 Sara on 09.16.21 at 11:48 pm

Terrible situation in Idaho which has started “health care rationing statewide amid a massive increase in the number of coronavirus patients requiring hospitalization. ”

“Idaho is one of the least vaccinated U.S. states, with only about 40 per cent of its residents fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Only Wyoming and West Virginia have lower vaccination rates.

Crisis care standards mean that scarce resources like ICU beds will be allotted to the patients most likely to survive. Other patients will be treated with less effective methods or, in dire cases, given pain relief and other palliative care.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/8195873/idaho-rations-health-care-statewide/

#168 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 11:49 pm

#153 When Will They Raise Rates? on 09.16.21 at 9:53 pm

#127 TrueLies on 09.16.21 at 8:16 pm

As per election, I will be voting PPC because it’s the only party that seems to respect my freedom to choose whether I want the jab.
You say that politics are all about math; I say they are, first and foremost about principles. Without principles societies degenerate towards the abyss…one vote, one decision at a time.

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I agree with you and PPC would have my vote on principle alone in any other election…

But this is our one chance to oust the bastard that’s destroying our country and my son’s future. And he will only accelerate if re-elected.

It’s time to be pragmatic and vote CPC at this point.

PPC has already made a huge splash, will be in the debates for the next election and will be a force to be reckoned with going forward – and they will have my full support… But, BUT one thing at a time, and first order of business is removing T2. PPC is not in a position to do that just yet, unfortunately

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And O’Toole opposes vaccine mandates

#169 No left turn on 09.17.21 at 12:24 am

#31 To the point. on 09.16.21 at 3:23 pm

Go away racist troll. To the point.

Keep right ahead.

#170 Faron on 09.17.21 at 12:34 am

#88 Phylis on 09.16.21 at 5:54 pm
How big is this evergrande thingy? It seems like the ghost cities are giving it up.

Needs to find a way to spread outside of China. If it takes down crypto, that could happen fast. There is speculation the evergrandes debt backs some crypto products worth billions USD. Very speculative. if it is contained within China, the fallout could come through wreckage of the Chinese economy and ripple effects therefrom. Up to $300B in EG and much more in companies having similar trouble. Lots of money at stake.

#171 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.17.21 at 1:53 am

#112 IHCTD9 on 09.16.21 at 7:01 pm
#96 PC Load Letter on 09.16.21 at 6:29 pm
Garth, I don’t think the opinion polls are capturing the degree of anger and desire for change. Even the diehard Liberals I know are saying they support the platform, but Trudeau has to go.
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Yepper. My boss is a blood red Lib, but he’s voting Con this time to get Trudeau tf out. He did the same to get Wynne tf out.
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Wow, your boss a super voter?
Did not know we had proxy voting.

#172 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.17.21 at 2:09 am

#155 N on 09.16.21 at 10:07 pm
When all is said and done…. Max will surprise a lot of folks.

The one who laughs last, laughs best.
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He may win his own riding, and that would be a surprise.
Hahahahaha
And after everything is said and done, there is usually more said than done.

#173 Greg on 09.17.21 at 6:03 am

Mary, Canada should implement a 99% tax on all government funding and non government funding to organizations in Canada even foreign organizations.

There is too much influence and corruption in Canada with many so called projects and initiatives. The Liberal party is the worse when it comes to this like the We scandal.

#174 China Grove on 09.17.21 at 6:52 am

Yak yak yak. Climate change. Yak yak, worlds gonna end. Yak , Greta got a zit. Puking hilarity, Obama reps for Trudeau while world leaders ignore him on the Pacific Nato – Like Alliance, biggest political global security strategy in 70 years…without Justin. WH goons cut off Joe’s mic when he goes off the reservation.

What’s real, what’s not? Investors have their crap together, the Liberal Party doesn’t.

Jim Pattinson warns, you should listen. He’s so respected in North American business that huge people sit at his feet and soak. I was in a Lions Club with Jim, he’s the smartest guy in the room.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/oil-erases-losses-as-investors-weigh-crude-options-expiry-1.1652967

Justin is mad about windmills, trouble is they can’t keep the lights on never mind run a factory. You all know this but the noise of a blubbering media is drowning out your common sense.

Want to make money? Get your head out of your ass. You’ll never retire with Trudeaus Inflation clocking 10% and returns are barely 6%. Bad math skills will be the death of you.

Stop listening to the hypocrisy. Norway has built a war chest of 1.4 Trillion pumping oil out of the sea. Justin’s slapped a moratorium on Canadian businesses. Norway says their oil is clean but Canada’s is bad…..? Does Norway buy better media? You bet. Are you paying attention?

#175 Immigrant man on 09.17.21 at 7:58 am

Me and my wife are seriously considering voting for PPC instead of the PCs this time. In our riding the NDP (Charlie Angus) is a guaranteed win, so might as well vote how you feel. I don’t like the anti-vax bs the PPC seems to be fine with, but in my estimation most reasonable people already took the vax and the government will not be successful in “enforcing it” anyways. Similarly, the absence of the vax passport won’t discourage the population either.

As for the anti-immigrant stance of the Mad Max party – that’s a label more than the reality. 100-150k annual intake , according to their program vs the 350k annual Lib and likely PC intake. Is that really anti-immigrant? I don’t think so. And the immigration system does need a reform, I can tell you that as an immigrant. Waaay, waaay too many undeserving individuals weasel their way through the very complicated Canadian Immigration system by collecting/faking the right documents to satiate the bureaucrats + paying immigration lawyers in Canada (huge industry btw, and for a good reason), while hard-working individuals cannot get in because they they cannot tick all the arbitrary boxes such as proving that they enough income and property and “ties” back home. Funny eh? You wanna come work in Canada? Well first you have to prove that you already have a good job back home.

Anyways, Mad Max aint’ gonna win, PPCs aint gonna win, but I just had it with these Bolsheviks and Mensheviks and Trotskists Canada has for federal parties. I called Canada home for 21 years and I can tell you that the politics here took a hard left turn even in my time here. So much that “PCs” today are like the Libs of the early 2000s and the NDP have gone full commie. That’s not a good trend. I’ve seen that movie before.

#176 Wait There on 09.17.21 at 8:08 am

FREE STUFF

That is what the people want. Problem is O’toole does not offer enough. He has too much conscience. He needs to go. Does that sound right? NO. Is it what is needed. YES. Lie your way into office and when you are there, that is all that counts. At least when you are there something can be done.

Does the means justify the end result? Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

WE GET WHAT WE DESERVE.

#177 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.17.21 at 8:11 am

@#165 Nonplused
“It is the imaginary numbers coming out of budget land than have the power to truly warp space and time into contortions previously unimaginable.”

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Trudeau’s Budgets are from Star Trek?

#178 Rita on 09.17.21 at 8:26 am

Greg, like NGO’s and The UN, just to name some. They are a bunch of self serving know it alls that never solve real problems and just shift problems to someone or some place else.

#179 Ontario on 09.17.21 at 9:00 am

What is this data telling us?

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Ontario reported 864 new cases of COVID-19 on Thursday.

Of the 798 cases today with a known vaccination status:

533, or 67 per cent, were in those unvaccinated.

56, or seven per cent, had a single dose.

209, or 26 per cent, had two doses.

What’s the vax breakdown by (a) hospitalizations and (b) ICU? – Garth

#180 Zed on 09.17.21 at 9:15 am

#56 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.16.21 at 4:15 pm

Some math for you:

So far in Canada (18 months) less than 5% of the population got Covid and 2.5% of these people have died with it, so from your numbers:

3.5 millions un-jabed Covid = 175k infected = 4375 deaths, not your scary 800k+ number. 25’000 people die each year in Canada.

Do not use fake/made up stats to scare people, life includes some people dying everyday and dying from one desease over another does not make it more dramatic, still sad for that person.

#181 Dharma Bum on 09.17.21 at 9:31 am

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#182 we are still alive on 09.17.21 at 9:45 am

When are we all going to die from the corona virus, any virus out there whatever they like to call them now and in the future. Is that too much to contemplate? The media makes it sound that way for the last 18 months. The sky is falling.

#183 IHCTD9 on 09.17.21 at 9:49 am

#174 Immigrant man on 09.17.21 at 7:58 am

As for the anti-immigrant stance of the Mad Max party – that’s a label more than the reality. 100-150k annual intake , according to their program vs the 350k annual Lib and likely PC intake. Is that really anti-immigrant? I don’t think so. And the immigration system does need a reform, I can tell you that as an immigrant.
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When you think about it – too much immigration probably hurts recent immigrants more than anyone else. That’s a Canada thing too, there’s only two cities in the whole country that really have a lot of appeal, so that’s where the vast majority end up. That’s a lot of layers of immigrants in one spot slugging it out with each other for jobs, roofs, parking spots and 401 real estate.

When my parents came here, few families where streaming into metros. Any town where you could run a business or a farm would do. Social support for new arrivals centered around family, friends, and a Church. Any small town you go to still bears witness to this going back 100’s of years in some cases.

Today, immigrants are highly concentrated in few areas – they gravitate to Ethnic/National “burbs” of which there are very few of any one kind. They compete almost entirely against other immigrants.

It’s not hard to envision recent immigrants still doing the grind becoming flustered with the constant injection of new competition every single year. Especially those who have no social support network beyond the “burb” they live in.

#184 Chris on 09.17.21 at 9:50 am

The bottomline is there are people who believe in government and people who do not believe in government. Those that depend on and their lives hinge on their success and life on government end up always disappointed and blame others because they are childless and never became an adult, grew up. Liberals and their left thinking buddies are the children of government.

#185 TurnerNation on 09.17.21 at 9:50 am

How y’all liking the New System?
Permanent Lockdowns.
Charter Rights are suspended.
This is War. It began March 2020 .

Can you last until 2025?

#186 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.17.21 at 9:53 am

@#175 Wait There
“That is what the people want. Problem is O’toole does not offer enough.”

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It’s not WHAT O’Toole is offering….It’s HOW he offers it.

A mannequin has more charisma.
I’ve watched the man time after time, standing on a podium say, “We have a plan for that in the Conservative Agenda” and then he holds up that stupid Conservative Book …
My God.
Did none of his staff several weeks ago realize that message resonated like a fart in an elevator?

At least Trudeau’s people trained their lapdog to stop wheezing and stuttering during his public events.
Little Potato has barely uttered one “Ah, Errr, Ummm” this entire campaign.

O’Toole is like a skipping record.
On and on he drones with the same message…while achieving only one thing.
Curing the voters of insomnia.

And even after that ….he is still neck and neck in the polls.
Amazing until one realizes, a trained monkey could have given Trudeau a run for his money…….

Errr, maybe I should rephrase that.

#187 Jay (Not that one) on 09.17.21 at 9:59 am

You know, there’s reasons to vote PPC besides being anti-vax. Our country has a problem with fiscal responsibility that’s going to manifest in a bad way, and it also has a big problem with following the constitution. Those two things alone are enough for me to vote PPC, and they were during the last election as well.

I’d argue that debt is a more existential threat than covid or climate change.

Ah, we don’t have a constitution, just an act. – Garth

#188 Sara on 09.17.21 at 10:06 am

#181 we are still alive on 09.17.21 at 9:45 am
When are we all going to die from the corona virus, any virus out there whatever they like to call them now and in the future. Is that too much to contemplate? The media makes it sound that way for the last 18 months. The sky is falling.
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You might not die from COVID-19, but you might die from an injury, heart attack, stroke, etc that would have been treatable if it were not for unvaccinated COVID-19 patients hogging hospital resources and staff.

In Idaho for example, state officials are warning people not to go biking or engage in any activities that could result in accidental injury as they have now mandated statewide healthcare rationing.

Closer to home in Alberta they are preparing for “critical care triage” meaning you are out of luck if they decide that the unvaccinated person with COVID-19 has a better chance of survival than you(regardless your illness or injury) as you will be left to die while staff focuses on saving the person who CHOSE not to get vaccinated.

” “If you had a heart attack at home and you had a cardiac arrest and the downtime was greater than 20 minutes, you wouldn’t be coming to the ICU,” Chowdhury said. “If you had a severe brain injury, you wouldn’t be coming to the ICU.

“It doesn’t necessarily mean that some of those people who will [under the protocol] be excluded wouldn’t have survived and recovered in an ICU.… Those people won’t even get the chance.” ”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/emergency-covid-triage-alberta-1.6178253

#189 Sara on 09.17.21 at 10:19 am

It is extremely unfair that people who did the responsible thing and got vaccinated should be put into a position where they may die, directly due to those who CHOSE to exercise their FREEDOM by not getting vaccinated.

Would it not be ethical if we apportioned critical care such that a certain number of beds/staff were allocated to COVID-19 cases, but not all, so that we never get to the point where a vaccinated car accident victim is refused treatment?

#190 facts on 09.17.21 at 10:19 am

#174 Immigrant man

As for the anti-immigrant stance of the Mad Max party – that’s a label more than the reality.

Plenty of self-serving mislabeling happening here.

#191 DON on 09.17.21 at 10:20 am

#169 Faron on 09.17.21 at 12:34 am
#88 Phylis on 09.16.21 at 5:54 pm
How big is this evergrande thingy? It seems like the ghost cities are giving it up.

Needs to find a way to spread outside of China. If it takes down crypto, that could happen fast. There is speculation the evergrandes debt backs some crypto products worth billions USD. Very speculative. if it is contained within China, the fallout could come through wreckage of the Chinese economy and ripple effects therefrom. Up to $300B in EG and much more in companies having similar trouble. Lots of money at stake

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Foreign investors may be left out to dry.

China state backed media came out last night and said that the company was not too big too fail.

China may want to avoid further social unrest and will likely bail out the homebuyers. Evergrande is having problems selling properties (Wobbling chineses real estate market) so they can’t pay their debts to investors, suppliers and the banks. They have resorted to pay some debt in unfinished properties.

More pressure is mounting.

#192 Ontario on 09.17.21 at 10:26 am

What’s the vax breakdown by (a) hospitalizations and (b) ICU? – Garth

Taking the average cases in Ontario, applying to it the decreasing % of unvaccinated and increasing % of vaccinated that represent the daily cases the rough calculation indicates that:

Unvaccinated represent double the hospitalizations of vaccinated.

Unvaccinated represent nearly 5x the ICU admissions of vaccinated.

It should be noted that there is noise in the ICU data. Significant noise.

For example, reported today “In ICU due to Covid-19” data shows 191. Interestingly 167 testing positive and 24 testing negative. I would like to have a better understanding of what this means.

Further, on ventilator are 120. Again 103 testing positive, 17 testing negative.

When it comes to vaccinated status, 128 are reported.

As you can see, none of this ICU data lines up. What are we to make of this?

I understand that the best path would be to apply known ratios to the data and by extension account for all these cases perhaps, but as the devil is in the details we can’t make such assumptions.

And so, 191 in ICU due to Covid to 128 Vaccinated status reported cannot be overlooked. I’m not saying that the entire 30% plus missing data gap points are vaccinated individuals by any means, but it is not outside of possibility that this swings the data. And that data gap has the potential to change these numbers by a significant amount.

Finally, missing is key detail data we really would need for a proper analysis. Age of patients. Pre-existing conditions. BMI/weigth/obesity – which appears to be a big contributor factor in data seen elsewhere.

As you well know, not all numbers are created equal. What if the age/pre-existing condition situation is a more significant factor than vaccination? We humans are ethical and use science to protect the weak and old, but nature appears to have a very neutral stance on that and only applies survival of the fittest.

Once again Garth, the closer you look, the more you realize how unclear things are. And that has always been the issue with this whole Covid mess.

#193 Jesse on 09.17.21 at 10:28 am

#14 Dogman01 on 09.16.21 at 2:43 pm
#151 fishman on 09.16.21 at 12:05 am
A general malaise abounds in our fair far flung land. Analogous to Soviet life. Think like a criminal, keep your head down & drive an old Honda. Keep a 6G portfolio of Garden, Guns, Gold, Girl, God, & Garth. A post modern Canada means nothing except shared values. Lil potato’s values. If they aren’t your values, join a tribe that emboldens your values. Make sure its a tough tribe.

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Interesting comment, I too am just not interested in the “shared woke values of a Post Modern Corporate Globalist fiction”. There is no “in-Group” value identification with the entity Canada is becoming. After this election I may have to “go my own way”.

A “foreign culture”, abandoning Individual rights, abandoning principles of merit based selection, increasing division via racial identities, leveraging the cause of Climate Change for economic destruction, acceptance of the population of dependency. All to facilitate social weakness and acceptance of a declining standard of living. Deferring to a global agenda in the position as a backwater province of a valueless global order led by what….China?

Turner Nation seems to have got the memo.

Not my Canada
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This feeling is growing all over the nation… especially among young men. The future is not bright for Canada.

#194 Shawn Allen on 09.17.21 at 10:37 am

Confusion on Fatality Tate

#162 Trojan House on 09.16.21 at 10:56 pm
139 Shawn Allen on 09.16.21 at 9:06 pm

That is because you are confusing the case fatality ratio with the infection fatality ratio. I’m not surprised that you do though as most people do.

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No, I am not confused at all. I used and was clear that I used what you call the infection fatality rate. Simply Deaths divided by known cases as reported by World-o-Meter.

The actual infection fatality rate cannot be known as it relied on deaths divided by (known cases + unknown cases). That gives rise to any number you wish to make up.

Toronto dude RichardTO claimed a very low 0.03% fatality rate and made no mention of the denominator used in the calculation. (Assuming there ever was a calculation) Deaths divided by known cases? by guessed total cases? or divided by total population. His figure is dangerous to the extent anyone believes it means COVID is of little danger if you or anyone you care about catches the virus.

No, I am not confused. I just wanted to speak out about a misleading figure.

#195 Ontario on 09.17.21 at 10:41 am

….further consider this piece of latest data:

“Moderna vaccine is approximately 50 to 95 percent effective against Delta, and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is 39 to 96 percent effective against Delta.”

This is an incredible range to claim.

In the investing world this is bigger than the difference between profit and loss! How can such wide range even be reported? 39% vs 96% for the exact same product? I’d like to know more and why that is even. Seems like a “maybe” to be to be quite honest.

Let us remember in all this, that the death rate as reported by official tracked numbers to date is 2%, meaning the human immune system is 98% effective apparently as indicated by this same data. Of course even this data we can all agree has plenty of noise in it.

Consider that number of high quality studies conducted indicated that for every tested case there are 6-7 cases that are not verified by tests as indicated by general population immunity against Covid-19 with presence of antibodies. Consider death data has high potential of noise in it. However, even taking the death numbers data AS-IS, and applying the 6-7x higher validated immunity tests of antibodies in general population would decrease the death rate and increase survivability.

This results in death number that did align to the Canadian Medical Association Journal from Ontario data which showed “Patients admitted to hospital in Ontario with COVID-19 had a 3.5 times greater risk of death, 1.5 times greater use of the ICU, and 1.5 times longer hospital stays than patients admitted with influenza.”

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210215/covid-death-risk-is-35-times-that-of-influenza

When such alignment is achieved from different sets of data (general immunity tests changing death% and hospital outcome data) it probably is data that should not be ignored.

#196 Shawn Allen on 09.17.21 at 10:43 am

A trillion dollar coin? Really

Nonplused at 147 said:

It all reminds me of the “Trillion Dollar Coin” proposal some years back.

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Yes, that was an actual real proposal during the financial crisis. He is NOT making that up! Something about the Treasury department would mint a trillion dollar coin and maybe the Federal Reserve would buy it?

I forget the details. To me it is another illustration of the complexity of money creation and associated government debt plus commercial and personal debt and the implications. Anyone claiming to have a very complete handle on those things is probably fooling themselves – and, more dangerously, misleading others.

#197 Quintilian on 09.17.21 at 10:45 am

#185 crowdedelevatorfartz
“A mannequin has more charisma.”

A for consistency, as usual a long haggard inconsequential drivel.

We are looking for leadership qualities, and someone who can assemble a team with real credentials and skills. It is serious business.

I would not vote conservative because of what the party attracts at the fringe.

But O’Toole is an accomplished decent man.

Grow up.

#198 Immigrant man on 09.17.21 at 10:48 am

#188 facts on 09.17.21 at 10:19 am

Elaborate please?
But maybe the PPC wants to look anti-immigrant and will happily accept such label to appeal to the dimwits? Maybe. Reality is, Canada is screwed without fresh blood infusions. But you have to do it smart, not just shoot up random stuff )

#199 Fetch Lombardo on 09.17.21 at 11:00 am

Smart Money Polls indicate a huge drop in Maple and Loonie if Trudeau gets back in office. International institutional money have no confidence. Foreign Direct Investment is below zero. Foreign investors are bailing at a loss. In fact expect a furtherance of Trudeaus beat down of industry, resource and finance. That’s why even Canadian banks are hedging by leaving.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/how-a-liberal-victory-could-briefly-hurt-the-loonie-1.1653580

If the smartest guys in the room don’t impress you, then man, you’re a goner.

#200 TurnerNation on 09.17.21 at 11:00 am

Economic Shutdowns coming to your house soon?
Is this article from April 2020?
January 2021?
Nope – Sept 2021.

Every fabric of our society must be ripped apart and subject to the new system rules.

I’ll say it again: children will never again know the normalcy. Playdates turn into global medical ward interventions.

Comrade you must follow the rules. Neighbors will turn you into the Authorities. Please list your collaborators and sign this confession.

https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/furey-durham-region-mandates-contact-tracing-for-gatherings-in-peoples-homes
“Durham Region mandates contact tracing for gatherings in people’s homes”

#201 IHCTD9 on 09.17.21 at 11:01 am

#176 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.17.21 at 8:11 am
@#165 Nonplused
“It is the imaginary numbers coming out of budget land than have the power to truly warp space and time into contortions previously unimaginable.”

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Trudeau’s Budgets are from Star Trek?
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Trudeau’s budget ripped a hole in the space-time continuum and allowed all the tachyon fields to escape. The Libs and NDP have mind-melded, and started living on the holodeck fulltime.

#202 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.17.21 at 11:01 am

A Quintillian dollars worth of Myopic drivel

“We are looking for leadership qualities, and someone who can assemble a team with real credentials and skills. It is serious business.”

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O’Toole doesnt have charisma… one of the main requirements to … Lead…..

#203 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.17.21 at 11:05 am

#184 TurnerNation on 09.17.21 at 9:50 am
How y’all liking the New System?
Permanent Lockdowns.
Charter Rights are suspended.
This is War. It began March 2020 .

Can you last until 2025?
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Just like WWII.
We will not rest until the enemy is defeated.
Might as well get your jabs.
Resistance is futile.

#204 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.17.21 at 11:11 am

#190 Don
May be a good time to remind ourselves not to invest in companies with names like “Evergrande”.

#205 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.17.21 at 11:16 am

#191 Ontario
Finally, missing is key detail data we really would need for a proper analysis. Age of patients. Pre-existing conditions. BMI/weigth/obesity – which appears to be a big contributor factor in data seen elsewhere.
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Pre-existing conditions: 90% unvaccinated.
No way around it.
Just get your jabs.

#206 Quintilian on 09.17.21 at 11:17 am

#195 Shawn Allen
“I forget the details. To me it is another illustration of the complexity of money creation and associated government debt plus commercial and personal debt and the implications. Anyone claiming to have a very complete handle on those things is probably fooling themselves – and, more dangerously, misleading others.”

It is not that difficult, every economics text book has at least one chapter on the subject, the higher levels of economics gets into more details, requiring more than one chapter.

It may be true that the average person all too often makes the reference to “ printing money” when all they see is the manifestation and not have bothered to understand the details of the process.

But no, it is not rocket science. Even the people from the commerce faculty can be educated how the process works.

#207 Armpit on 09.17.21 at 11:23 am

May be time for a Greater Fool Poll on Sunday to see how the Dogs would Vote.

#208 Trillion Dollar Baby! on 09.17.21 at 11:25 am

Well…what do you know? They tried it twice, for sure next time, the third time, they will make the coin.

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The trillion-dollar coin is a concept that emerged during the United States debt-ceiling crisis in 2011, as a proposed way to bypass any necessity for the United States Congress to raise the country’s borrowing limit, through the minting of very high-value platinum coins. The concept gained more mainstream attention by late 2012 during the debates over the United States fiscal cliff negotiations and renewed debt-ceiling discussions. After reaching the headlines during the week of January 7, 2013, use of the trillion dollar coin concept was ultimately rejected by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury.

The concept of the trillion-dollar coin was reintroduced in March 2020 in the form of a congressional proposal by congresswoman Rashida Tlaib during the shutdown caused by the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States. Tlaib sought to fund monthly $2,000 recurring stimulus payments until the end of the pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin

#209 Liberal Policies on 09.17.21 at 11:33 am

Sara, it is not fair that our family paid over $2 million in taxes in Canada and others get free stuff by being irresponsible by making poor, bad decisions and living off the hard work of our small business and sacrifice. Tens of millions of Canadians that worked since the 60’s came to Canada and are getting the short end of the stick with relentless taxes, fees, inflation, high cost of living, service cuts, low interest rates on savings, bank deposits etc.

A vote for NDP, Liberals, Trudeau is a vote for screw the responsible and their families, lives and put Canada on a path of endless debt, deficits and private sector job losses and lost opportunities in the millions, higher poverty, higher crime, more corruption, a more bloated government sector and massive government regulation, control over everybody, much less skilled immigrants coming to Canada and a skills shortage beyond any government in Canada. It will be a real disaster for Canada. We will see a 50 cents Canadian peso, almost there 62 cents dollar back with Paul Martin, Jean Chretien Liberals.

#210 KLNR on 09.17.21 at 12:13 pm

@#183 Chris on 09.17.21 at 9:50 am
The bottomline is there are people who believe in government and people who do not believe in government. Those that depend on and their lives hinge on their success and life on government end up always disappointed and blame others because they are childless and never became an adult, grew up. Liberals and their left thinking buddies are the children of government.

lol, quite the black & white world you live in.

#211 KLNR on 09.17.21 at 12:21 pm

@#174 Immigrant man on 09.17.21 at 7:58 am
Me and my wife are seriously considering voting for PPC instead of the PCs this time. In our riding the NDP (Charlie Angus) is a guaranteed win, so might as well vote how you feel. I don’t like the anti-vax bs the PPC seems to be fine with, but in my estimation most reasonable people already took the vax and the government will not be successful in “enforcing it” anyways. Similarly, the absence of the vax passport won’t discourage the population either.

As for the anti-immigrant stance of the Mad Max party – that’s a label more than the reality. 100-150k annual intake , according to their program vs the 350k annual Lib and likely PC intake. Is that really anti-immigrant? I don’t think so. And the immigration system does need a reform, I can tell you that as an immigrant. Waaay, waaay too many undeserving individuals weasel their way through the very complicated Canadian Immigration system by collecting/faking the right documents to satiate the bureaucrats + paying immigration lawyers in Canada (huge industry btw, and for a good reason), while hard-working individuals cannot get in because they they cannot tick all the arbitrary boxes such as proving that they enough income and property and “ties” back home. Funny eh? You wanna come work in Canada? Well first you have to prove that you already have a good job back home.

Anyways, Mad Max aint’ gonna win, PPCs aint gonna win, but I just had it with these Bolsheviks and Mensheviks and Trotskists Canada has for federal parties. I called Canada home for 21 years and I can tell you that the politics here took a hard left turn even in my time here. So much that “PCs” today are like the Libs of the early 2000s and the NDP have gone full commie. That’s not a good trend. I’ve seen that movie before.

lol well done immigrant man, you sound just like an old stock canuck. Interesting how the latest immigrants always think they are the last of the good ones and reform is needed.

#212 Heidi on 09.17.21 at 12:24 pm

Brazil’s inflation rate 8.99% but their 3, 5, 8, 10 year bond yields are 9.29%, 10.09%, 10.78%, 11.07%.

Canada’s inflation rate, 4.10% but our 3, 5, 7, 10 year bond yields is 0.55%, 0.90%, 1.07%, 1.28%. We are getting royally screwed in Canada, big time by the Bank of Canada and Trudeau Liberals.

Let us look closer to home in North America. Mexico’s inflation rate is 5.59%. Even look at Mexico’s 3, 5, 7, 10 year bond yields 5.625, 6.38%, 7.00%, 7.21%.

#213 facts on 09.17.21 at 12:28 pm

#197 Immigrant man

Elaborate please?
But maybe the PPC wants to look anti-immigrant and will happily accept such label to appeal to the dimwits? Maybe. Reality is, Canada is screwed without fresh blood infusions. But you have to do it smart, not just shoot up random stuff )

My comment was referring to my previous comment that was dismissed by simply mislabeling it.

I don’t think PPC wants to look anti-immigrant, and by enlarge I agree with your original post, as someone walking in the same shoes.

It amazes me though how the “Canada is screwed without fresh blood infusions” mantra is hypnotized into the head of Canadians.

If a country like Canada, with all the resources is “screwed without fresh blood infusion” then how are much less fortunate countries supposed to survive?
Many of them do, even prosper, some with low, some with large population.

Canada relies on a lazy Ponzi pyramid scheme model of economy, that continues to preserve inefficiency at the age of the biggest technology explosion. It relies on continuous large stream of new participants, in a perpetual circle, instead of innovations.

No wonder it can not even cover ridiculously insufficient pension obligations without outside help.

What would happen to this planet if all countries in the world would have to rely on this Ponzi population expansion-dependent economy to not “get screwed”?

#214 Philco on 09.17.21 at 12:33 pm

#197 Immigrant man on 09.17.21 at 10:48 am
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He’s not anti immigration.
Just was saying don’t open the flood gates.
The healthcare system is stretch to say the least.
There’s a massive housing shortage.
Who’s paying for all this? More debt? We already know how that’s going. People that come here are in shock at what it cost to live…I know some.
We need to take care of the home front first.
I believe that’s the point.

#215 yvr_lurker on 09.17.21 at 12:49 pm

And what does she do to make over $200k/yr?

Let me guess it involves some level of government, directly or indirectly.

I’ll venture a guess that she’s not involved in a private sector company taking all of the risks of capitalism and paying through the nose in taxes to support those who live so well with no risk?

I can understand people like this voting NDP because they want even more of someone else’s hard earned, but I can’t respect it.

What about the future and the debt burden being passed to the children and grandchildren? Do you have kids?

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Like me, she grew up poor in a neighborhood where it was normal to have a rotting sofa sitting on your porch. She has earned everything she now has. No gifts, inheritances, Nada… all her own hard work. However, she has not forgotten her roots and how challenging and LONG the journey was to achieve something starting with nothing. She now reaps the rewards of it. However, both her and I typically have little respect for those who start off on third base and have a much easier road to navigate. As for what she does for a living, MYOB. Not everyone wants to be a farmer living in the middle of nowhere.

#216 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.17.21 at 1:04 pm

@#200 IHCTD9
“The Libs and NDP have mind-melded, and started living on the holodeck fulltime.”

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I also think they are drinking( or smoking) something a little stronger than “synth-ohol”……

#217 YIELD on 09.17.21 at 1:06 pm

#211 Heidi

Brazil’s inflation rate 8.99% but their 3, 5, 8, 10 year bond yields are 9.29%, 10.09%, 10.78%, 11.07%.

Canada’s inflation rate, 4.10% but our 3, 5, 7, 10 year bond yields is 0.55%, 0.90%, 1.07%, 1.28%. We are getting royally screwed in Canada, big time by the Bank of Canada and Trudeau Liberals.

Let us look closer to home in North America. Mexico’s inflation rate is 5.59%. Even look at Mexico’s 3, 5, 7, 10 year bond yields 5.625, 6.38%, 7.00%, 7.21%.

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What is the explanation?

Who is this friendly loan shark offering this low interest on loans?

And more importantly….WHY?

#218 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.17.21 at 1:29 pm

#201 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.17.21 at 11:01 am
A Quintillian dollars worth of Myopic drivel

“We are looking for leadership qualities, and someone who can assemble a team with real credentials and skills. It is serious business.”

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O’Toole doesnt have charisma… one of the main requirements to … Lead…..
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Not always.
Merkel, once called the most powerful women on the planet, had very little of it.

#219 Sara on 09.17.21 at 1:32 pm

#208 Liberal Policies on 09.17.21 at 11:33 am
Sara, …..

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I do not understand why you directed your comment towards me.

#220 Nonplused on 09.17.21 at 1:34 pm

#176 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.17.21 at 8:11 am
@#165 Nonplused
“It is the imaginary numbers coming out of budget land than have the power to truly warp space and time into contortions previously unimaginable.”

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Trudeau’s Budgets are from Star Trek?

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Have you got a better explanation? A “tacheon beam” seems more likely to get us out of this situation than any solution Trudeau has.

#221 Immigrant man on 09.17.21 at 1:52 pm

#210 KLNR on 09.17.21 at 12:21 pm
lol well done immigrant man, you sound just like an old stock canuck. Interesting how the latest immigrants always think they are the last of the good ones and reform is needed.
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21 years in Canada, that’s longer that half of my life. I think your assessment of “latest immigrant” is not correct. And even in that space the immigration system has changed. In my estimation not for the better. Because I am an immigrant I know a lot of immigrants, more then the average canuck and I have witnessed a lot of fraud of this system. Thats why I think reform is needed. Not cuz “I’m here already, shut the doors”.

#222 facts on 09.17.21 at 2:01 pm

Watching the FDA meeting streaming with Pfizer.
These top organizations, their representatives can’t operate turning on/off microphones properly.
Astonishing.

#223 Shawn Allen on 09.17.21 at 2:02 pm

How Tough Are Environmental Laws These Days?

Real Tough…

Enbridge has just been fined for causing a spill of….ground water. Yes they caused some water to spill out of the ground onto the ground. Probably got off light with a $3.2 million dollar fine for that heinous act.

I do not envy anyone trying to build anything these days.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/enbridge-fined-breaching-minnesota-environmental-172946863.html

#224 Immigrant man on 09.17.21 at 2:16 pm

#212 facts on 09.17.21 at 12:28 pm
It amazes me though how the “Canada is screwed without fresh blood infusions” mantra is hypnotized into the head of Canadians.
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That one is easy. Canadas fertility rate is 1.5 births per woman. For replacement you need 2.1. So not enough new humans are made domestically, that’s why imports are needed. All developed western nations are in the same boat. Now you can imagine what would happen if someone dared to tell a Canadian woman “have more babies”. That person would be buried alive, no judge or trial needed. So that’s not a solution either.

“What would happen to this planet if all countries in the world would have to rely on this Ponzi population expansion-dependent economy to not “get screwed”?”
Wait, you mean to say that that is not happening already?

#225 Philco on 09.17.21 at 2:19 pm

#212 facts on 09.17.21 at 12:28 pm
What would happen to this planet if all countries in the world would have to rely on this Ponzi population expansion-dependent economy to not “get screwed”?
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I agree big time.
And hypocritically they say us humans are bad for the planet….Silly stuff.

“Here’s why I think Trudeau called the election”
I agree…Higher taxes for the middle class. Look out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6L_8U2pUUw

I’ve already voted and it was easy…against Trudeau and other socialist leaders policy’s.

#226 Heych Twoohoh on 09.17.21 at 2:24 pm

#222 Shawn Allen

How Tough Are Environmental Laws These Days?

Real Tough…

Enbridge has just been fined for causing a spill of….ground water. Yes they caused some water to spill out of the ground onto the ground. Probably got off light with a $3.2 million dollar fine for that heinous act.

I do not envy anyone trying to build anything these days.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/enbridge-fined-breaching-minnesota-environmental-172946863.html

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Just “water”? A lot of things can be IN the water.

Fukushima spilled a lot of “water” too.

#227 Barb on 09.17.21 at 2:26 pm

#220
“Because I am an immigrant I know a lot of immigrants, more then the average canuck and I have witnessed a lot of fraud of this system.”

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Me too.
And, yes, that’s what leads to generalizations.
…a case of what came first: the chicken or the egg.

Ergo: What to say to the guy (in a certain city) in a three piece suit? “Would the defendant please stand?”

#228 Trojan House on 09.17.21 at 2:27 pm

#193 Shawn Allen on 09.17.21 at 10:37 am

Again, seroprevalence studies include things such as the presence of covid in waste water systems. Remember when Ontario used this as part of their modelling to say that the 3rd wave was going to be huge? Most public health agencies use this, as well as, blood tests to determine what the actual infection numbers could be.

If you want to argue numbers that are pulled out of a hat, then look no further than right from the beginning of this when Imperial College predicted what they predicted. Epidemiological modelling relies on a lot of number assumptions. They continue to use predictive modelling to project worse case scenarios based on assumptions.

The fact is, the IFR differs between age groups but averages about 0.2%. Seniors have a much higher IFR while those under 20 years of age, their IFR is virtually 0%.

#229 Tanya on 09.17.21 at 10:26 pm

YIELD, the only explanation I can think of why this is happening is because the world investors still see Canada as close to the US economy and as such we have similar interest rates.

The US 3, 5, 10 year bond yields are 0.47%, 0.86%, 1.16%. We track, follow, benchmark off of the US as history has shown that. I guess world investors still think Canada is not a risky spot and all this money printing by the Bank of Canada, borrowing for the Trudeau, Liberal government is still perceived as short term risk.

I think if we see Trudeau Liberals win again a majority or if NDP, Libearls form a coalition government then Canada’s credit rating will fall fast and our interest rates will be much higher than the US. How much higher depends on how much damage the NDP, Liberals do to Canada’s finances, economy. Basically how high inflation goes, how bad the unemployment rate gets, how high taxes get, how bad restrictions, regulations get, how low the Canadian dollar gets, how socialist the Trudeau Liberals, NDP gets, how many businesses fail and how much capital flows out of Canada, how bad does the skilled workforce decline and how bad does productivity get. There are many factors that can bring down Canada under a NDP, Liberal coalition government or Trudeau, Liberal government.

#230 Tanya on 09.17.21 at 10:34 pm

My error US 7 and 10 year bond yields are 1.16%, 1.36%. They are higher than Canada’s 7 and 10 year bond yields but are still pretty low.

#231 Liberal Policies Guessing on 09.17.21 at 10:40 pm

I am guessing liberal policies is fed up about responsibility of being such a cornerstone in the year 2021 with this corona virus. I guess this person feels that being responsible financially all these decades means nothing in Canada when others keep getting bailed out by daddy government never facing their true consequences.

They keep paying for it and are always considered the bad guy, the supposed rich, greedy but never looked at all the work, effort, time, dealing with all levels of government to get to the higher financial position in life.

#232 Tim Fraser on 09.18.21 at 5:51 am

Ottawa school bus drivers still working from home,
90 bus routes for school are cancelled .
I noticed 2 people who drive school buses on my country road don’t have the yellow buses outside their house this fall. I guess EI benefits post CERB pay moe.
Personally I’ve been working at home for the last 18 months. I hate it now, First 3-4 months was fine as it was just a continuation of work, but i really miss the social interaction and collaberation. Im not even a social person. I don’t understand how people can work from home. At home I have lots of other interests to keep me busy besides work. I can not believe productivity has not been drastically reduced.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/busing-headaches-pile-up-1.6180630