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    Mary and (no) Joseph?

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    I came across this statement in another thread:

    Mary the mother of Jesus (peace be upon them) also had a child, without any father there to support her.
    According to the Bible Mary was engaged to Joseph who - despite her pregnancy - married her, supported her and was the father figure to the child Jesus.
    Does Joseph not appear in Islamic teaching??

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    im not wholly sure if there was a certain male who Maryam (may Allahs peace be upon her) was engaged to, because in islam if you were to say Joseph, it would be understood as Yusuf (As) the son of Yaqoob (as) (jacob)

    in islam the bibical Joseph, isnt mentioned in surah maryam or the other surahs talking about Hadhrat Maryam. and Allah (swt) knows best, but if a man was mentioned as being engaged to Hadhrat Maryam, maybe that could have questioned the whole virgin birth thing innit, so to make it like undoubtably a virgin birth, in the Quraan, no man or anythin is attached with Hadhrat Maryam.

    in the bible it says that Maryam was married before the virgin birth init sis glo?
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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    I came across this statement in another thread:

    Does Joseph not appear in Islamic teaching??

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    No, he doesn't appear at all

    and I have lots of reasons to believe that his character is a manufactured one (for a purpose)... but I think the proper section(comparative religions) if you wish to discuss it there....

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo
    Does Joseph not appear in Islamic teaching??

    Nope.

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    Interesting. I didn't know that.

    Thank you for your replies.
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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    So Mary was a single mother?

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    It is interesting that in both the Islamic and Christian view Mary had to bear the burden of the social stigma of an unmarried pregnant woman. In the eyes of society she had committed a terrible sin - and yet she hadn't really!

    What does Islam say about this? Does it have any significance?
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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    It is interesting that in both the Islamic and Christian view Mary had to bear the burden of the social stigma of an unmarried pregnant woman. In the eyes of society she had committed a terrible sin - and yet she hadn't really!

    What does Islam say about this? Does it have any significance?
    Allah says in Surah Maryum (Mary):



    She (mary) said: When shall I have a boy and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?

    He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord said , 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."

    And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.

    And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"

    But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! surely your Lord has made a stream to flow beneath you;

    And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.

    So eat and drink and refresh the eye. Then if you see any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent Allah, so I shall not speak to any man today.

    At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

    "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"

    But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"

    He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

    "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;

    And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.

    "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

    Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

    [Surah Maryum 19:20-34]
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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?



    In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    Salaam/peace

    glo : Does Joseph not appear in Islamic teaching??

    In holy Quran , No . To my knowledge , no mention of Joseph in Hadith either.

    It was a miracle birth . If she was a married person , it was not a miracle to have a baby for her.

    People wanted to condemn her but after hearing the statement from the newborn baby : I am a slave of God Almighty , they did not harm her & the baby . Praise be to God only.
    Mary and (no) Joseph?

    Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172

    recitation:http://quran.jalisi.com

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

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    im sure he is mentioned, i remember reading about him in tafsir ibn kathir and stories of the Prophets by ibn kahthir that Yusuf was the name of the man that the people of Banu israeel accused her of zina with and he was a relative of hers. If someone could check that if they have the book? i dont have it atm.

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    Salaam

    There is no Joseph is Islamic tradition - God takes care of Mary - even when she is Young God provides for her. Has anybody seen the persian movie about Mary based on the Quran - it was youtube but they took it off.

    Even when she goes to her community she goes alone and then Jesus pbuh the messiah speaks

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    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
    Peace

    In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

    Salaam/peace

    glo : Does Joseph not appear in Islamic teaching??

    In holy Quran , No . To my knowledge , no mention of Joseph in Hadith either.

    It was a miracle birth . If she was a married person , it was not a miracle to have a baby for her.

    People wanted to condemn her but after hearing the statement from the newborn baby : I am a slave of God Almighty , they did not harm her & the baby . Praise be to God only.
    format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    Salaam

    There is no Joseph is Islamic tradition - God takes care of Mary - even when she is Young God provides for her. Has anybody seen the persian movie about Mary based on the Quran - it was youtube but they took it off.

    Even when she goes to her community she goes alone and then Jesus pbuh the messiah speaks

    peace

    Yes there is.

    Joseph is the name in english, in the arabic language we know him as Prophet Yusuf.
    Mary and (no) Joseph?

    And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.”
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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    Yes there is.

    Joseph is the name in english, in the arabic language we know him as Prophet Yusuf.
    salaam

    I'm not talking about that Joseph -Yusuf(as)

    i'm talking about the one with Mary in christainty - there isnt one in the Islamic tradition.
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    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful


    Salaam/peace

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    Yes there is.

    Joseph is the name in english, in the arabic language we know him as Prophet Yusuf.
    Prophet Zakaria (pbuh) was uncle & his son ...umm most probably Prophet Yahya (pbuh) was her cousin . None of them were married to her. Prophet Yusuf (pbuh) was another one who was sold by his step brothers.

    I read that Jews killed Prophet Zakaria (pbuh) when they heard she is pregnant.
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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    Yes there is.

    Joseph is the name in english, in the arabic language we know him as Prophet Yusuf.
    Greetings, Abd-al Latif

    The prophet Joseph (Yusuf) in the Old Testament, who was sold into service to Pharao by his brothers and who was able to interpret Pharao's dreams, is not the same person as the Joseph this thread refers to, who - according to the New Testament - was engaged to Mary when the angel Gabriel announced that she would bear a special child.

    Same name, different person.

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    ^Prophet Yusuf (Joseph) is a different person to the Joseph who Christians claim married Mary.
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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    Dear Glo,

    No Islam does not confirm this Joseph at all. Do read this:

    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2011/...being-married/

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    Please ask if u have any questions..

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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    You've dug this from the deep...

    Glo has not been active for a while now. From around the time when we were migrating or upgrading or something.. over a year ago. She has been one of the members I have missed.


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    Re: Mary and (no) Joseph?

    An ancient thread definitely - altho I admit I have gone way back on this forum and read through the oldest posts. It would have been nice to have 'personally' known some of the members whose posts I've gained a lot of knowledge from.

    btw, this is an interesting discussion I recently had with someone. Within the Islamic tradition, Maryam didn't really have a man taking care of her and providing for her throughout her pregnancy, someone correct me if I'm wrong but even when she left for a distant place to give birth she was on her own. She was provided for and protected solely by Allah swt. Now that is a pretty deep and thought-provoking testimony to her strength as a woman (to rely solely upon Allah swt and trust in Him) when one looks further into it.
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