How to identify Fake/Counterfeit KF94 mask?

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

> How to identify Fake/Counterfeit KF94 mask?

views
     
TSwesternkl
post Aug 27 2021, 10:54 PM, updated 4 months ago

Casual
***
Junior Member
419 posts

Joined: Aug 2010


(IMG:https://www.alpropharmacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/KF94_80201.jpg)
Ansonlow
post Aug 27 2021, 11:02 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
150 posts

Joined: Jan 2011
U can get this at watson…..for sure its real. Big pharmacy chair such as Watson wont sell fake product for sure as If 1 item of fake item caught in Watson, the whole stores in Malaysia gonna be in trouble
Gargamel_gibson
post Aug 27 2021, 11:11 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
57 posts

Joined: Feb 2021
Buy made in Malaysia KF94 to be safest. Respack and Vircast Medic both also make and quite cheap also. Something like RM30 for 20 pcs. Both also registered with Korean FDA. Respack iirc also registered with MDA KKM Malaysia.
nate_nightroad
post Aug 27 2021, 11:12 PM

Endless numbered days...
*******
Senior Member
3,294 posts

Joined: Mar 2007


QUOTE(Ansonlow @ Aug 27 2021, 11:02 PM)
U can get this at watson…..for sure its real. Big pharmacy chair such as Watson wont sell fake product for sure as If 1 item of fake item caught in Watson, the whole stores in Malaysia gonna be in trouble
*
Awwww. You so cute and funny
SAldONoN
post Aug 27 2021, 11:18 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Aug 2021
I suggest you buy it at a shopee mall /lazada mall

**The protection of personal safety is the most important
TSwesternkl
post Aug 28 2021, 12:00 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
419 posts

Joined: Aug 2010


QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ Aug 27 2021, 11:11 PM)
Buy made in Malaysia KF94 to be safest. Respack and Vircast Medic both also make and quite cheap also. Something like RM30 for 20 pcs. Both also registered with Korean FDA. Respack iirc also registered with MDA KKM Malaysia.
*
Where to buy Respack/Vircast?
PalakOtakHang
post Aug 28 2021, 12:52 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
79 posts

Joined: Jul 2020
From: 5.3638° N, 100.3260° E
watsons selling yuka zan kf94 10's for RM 13.9 now
Momo33
post Aug 28 2021, 01:04 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,070 posts

Joined: Oct 2019
QUOTE(Ansonlow @ Aug 28 2021, 12:02 AM)
U can get this at watson…..for sure its real. Big pharmacy chair such as Watson wont sell fake product for sure as If 1 item of fake item caught in Watson, the whole stores in Malaysia gonna be in trouble
*
the above seems made in china.. it will not pass the kf94 standards for sure :nod:
KFDA certifications details also ta ada
why risk your life for this .


This post has been edited by Momo33: Aug 28 2021, 01:33 AM
xander83
post Aug 28 2021, 03:50 AM

Blast off like a rocket
*******
Senior Member
5,092 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Autobiography!!!

After usage cut the mask and see the layering inside

Also do a water test and candle blowing test then you know whether it is real
lawliet88
post Aug 28 2021, 04:31 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Junior Member
844 posts

Joined: May 2010
From: Cheras For PPL to Live 1


QUOTE(Momo33 @ Aug 28 2021, 01:04 AM)
the above  seems made in china..  it will not pass  the kf94 standards for sure  :nod:
KFDA  certifications details also ta ada
why risk your life for this .
*
yuka zan is local Msia one, but whether is local made or import duno la
thing with local mask manufacturer (except those few old brand that been there before the outbreak), our local news didnt do much coverage to educate ppl about it
W HK all got very strict control and news got do coverage about them.
blackamikaze
post Aug 28 2021, 06:16 AM

Trooper Rank: BIG HEAD SERGEANT
*******
Senior Member
2,508 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: Bestine, the capital of Tatooine




Yuka zan kf94 is registered under mda. So it should be okay. Plus most big pharmacy sell yuka zan mask such as alpro and big pharmacy. This big pharmacy will not sell fake product.

https://mdar.mda.gov.my/frontend/web/index....2Fview&id=52170
Momo33
post Aug 28 2021, 06:43 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,070 posts

Joined: Oct 2019
QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Aug 28 2021, 05:31 AM)
yuka zan is local Msia one, but whether is local made or import duno la
thing with local mask manufacturer (except those few old brand that been there before the outbreak), our local news didnt do much coverage to educate ppl about it
W HK all got very strict control and news got do coverage about them.
*
this one better .. with certification from FDA and KFDA.
its listed on the FDA site with performance test results .

https://shopee.com.my/1P-%E2%96%A0-KF94-4pl...847.10321502787


N9484640
post Aug 28 2021, 06:58 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
1. Buy from Korean pharmacy sure no counterfeit
2. Don’t expect cheap price
3. Buy Made in Korea KF94
vincentboleh
post Aug 28 2021, 01:38 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
274 posts

Joined: May 2010


Give them some respect, made in Malaysia as "MDA approved manufacturer" and indicating proper quality certification/ standards!
I don't work for them but you may goto Respack online store for moe info:

https://www.packxpress.my/
mochicake
post Aug 28 2021, 02:13 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
I buy Neutrovis kf94 from their official store on Laz/Shopee but not sure how to test filtration. RM29.90 for 10. Much more comfortable but there is some leakage at bottom on exhalation because of face shape. Seals pretty well on inhalation.
MR_alien
post Aug 28 2021, 04:45 PM

Mr.Alien on the loss
*******
Senior Member
2,935 posts

Joined: Oct 2007
From: everywhere in sabah


QUOTE(Momo33 @ Aug 28 2021, 06:43 AM)
this one better  .. with certification from FDA  and  KFDA.
its listed  on the FDA site  with performance  test results .

https://shopee.com.my/1P-%E2%96%A0-KF94-4pl...847.10321502787
*
yup
saw them few days ago

seems to be the cheapest KF94 sold by legit mask seller
vincentboleh
post Aug 28 2021, 04:53 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
274 posts

Joined: May 2010


QUOTE(mochicake @ Aug 28 2021, 02:13 PM)
I buy Neutrovis kf94 from their official store on Laz/Shopee but not sure how to test filtration. RM29.90 for 10. Much more comfortable but there is some leakage at bottom on exhalation because of face shape. Seals pretty well on inhalation.
*
Made in China.
Chiggah
post Aug 28 2021, 05:28 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
274 posts

Joined: Oct 2004
This or KN95 better ?
Selectt
post Aug 28 2021, 05:29 PM

wattttt!!
******
Senior Member
1,469 posts

Joined: Aug 2009

i say dont need to work super hard on this. just wear double mask and yr problem solved. I say this is common sense.

if u find it hard to breath in ur mask, it is 99% working. When u cannot take oxygen from outside air when wearing mask, it is clearly been filtered or blocked. It is a very good reminder that you dont stay too long outside.

If its somehow easy to breath, maybe 95% or less working, depending on your needs. I know it is a weak judgment but it will work.

all these local made mask brand, lol up to you if you want to buy to 'relieve your worry'.
Selectt
post Aug 28 2021, 05:36 PM

wattttt!!
******
Senior Member
1,469 posts

Joined: Aug 2009

QUOTE(Momo33 @ Aug 28 2021, 06:43 AM)
this one better  .. with certification from FDA  and  KFDA.
its listed  on the FDA site  with performance  test results .

https://shopee.com.my/1P-%E2%96%A0-KF94-4pl...847.10321502787
*
how do u even verify the cert? :rolleyes:
mochicake
post Aug 28 2021, 05:40 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(vincentboleh @ Aug 28 2021, 04:53 PM)
Made in China.
*
Yeah thanks to this thread did some research and seems like Neutrovis kf94 is not yet in the MDA database. So far only been wearing it in the car commuting or open window to talk to policeman at roadblock. It's too bad as just made a big order and now have a bunch of masks. Now decided get some Respack someone mentioned upthread as it's in the MDA database at least.

Though will stick to 3m for real protection when going out. I was stocking up on the kf94 cause the earloops & was cheaper to throw away daily. The 3m one with earloop (9501?) is awfully uncomfortable & pinches the ear down even after 5 minutes. The new-ish 9513 has earloops but super expensive at $4-5 each but that's probably the way to go for me then. Will keep an eye on this thread to try out actual korean kf94s but tbh i rather buy from 3M official than some random store.
Gargamel_gibson
post Aug 28 2021, 06:33 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
57 posts

Joined: Feb 2021
QUOTE(westernkl @ Aug 28 2021, 12:00 AM)
Where to buy Respack/Vircast?
*
Watsons got sell vircast. Can buy from foodpanda or grab or Watsons online. Respack can buy at Caring pharmacy I remember. https://estore.caring2u.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kf94 Respack got online shop also https://www.packxpress.my
mochicake
post Aug 28 2021, 07:43 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(Momo33 @ Aug 28 2021, 06:43 AM)
this one better  .. with certification from FDA  and  KFDA.
its listed  on the FDA site  with performance  test results .

https://shopee.com.my/1P-%E2%96%A0-KF94-4pl...847.10321502787
*
Bought a few to test. Thanks for info & link.
freakenstein
post Aug 28 2021, 07:57 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,162 posts

Joined: Aug 2008


QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Aug 28 2021, 04:31 AM)
yuka zan is local Msia one, but whether is local made or import duno la
thing with local mask manufacturer (except those few old brand that been there before the outbreak), our local news didnt do much coverage to educate ppl about it
W HK all got very strict control and news got do coverage about them.
*
Yukazan is China made. How to identify, whenever you see inside your box got small piece of cert, means exported out from China. Also if individually packed higher possibility it's made from Korea.. Yukazan is pack of 10s in a box. I'm using it currently. So far I've bought a lot of different brand KF94 even made in Korea ones. Yukazan seems to better fit my face , although do note that per pack it comes with 2 colors blsck and navy blue, 5 per color, the straps for blue ones are super tight so if you're wearing it for long hours your ears will literally hurt very bad.

Ive just received a shipment from Korea kf94. Rm2.3 per pcs, just to try.
alexander3133
post Aug 28 2021, 08:12 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,480 posts

Joined: May 2006
From: JDT


QUOTE(Selectt @ Aug 28 2021, 05:36 PM)
how do u even verify the cert?  :rolleyes:
*
OK la, at least I am able to find it in FDA website.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh...694626&lpcd=LYU
mushigen
post Aug 28 2021, 08:40 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(mochicake @ Aug 28 2021, 05:40 PM)
Yeah thanks to this thread did some research and seems like Neutrovis kf94 is not yet in the MDA database. So far only been wearing it in the car commuting or open window to talk to policeman at roadblock. It's too bad as just made a big order and now have a bunch of masks. Now decided get some Respack someone mentioned upthread as it's in the MDA database at least.

Though will stick to 3m for real protection when going out. I was stocking up on the kf94 cause the earloops & was cheaper to throw away daily. The 3m one with earloop (9501?) is awfully uncomfortable & pinches the ear down even after 5 minutes. The new-ish 9513 has earloops but super expensive at $4-5 each but that's probably the way to go for me then. Will keep an eye on this thread to try out actual korean kf94s but tbh i rather buy from 3M official than some random store.
*
I bought a box of 3M kn95 9501+. The earloops are not suitable for me too, as they're too tight. And unlike its predecessor (?) 9501, the 9501+ doesn't have the piece of foam at the nose area, causing minor leakage despite its tight earloops.
However, 3M is definitely easier to breathe as it does not have many layers (uses electrostatic charged material to capture particles).

anakMY
post Aug 28 2021, 09:04 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 28 2021, 08:40 PM)
I bought a box of 3M kn95 9501+. The earloops are not suitable for me too, as they're too tight. And unlike its predecessor (?) 9501, the 9501+ doesn't have the piece of foam at the nose area, causing minor leakage despite its tight earloops.
However, 3M is definitely easier to breathe as it does not have many layers (uses electrostatic charged material to capture particles).
*
for safety purposes, I only buy from 3M and from its flagship stores. 3M has NIOSH N95 certification which I dont think those local brands hv it. And talking about KF94, how do we verify their cert? Many doesnt hv a cert too, they just write there KF94 and u believe?
mochicake
post Aug 28 2021, 09:48 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
I watch this guy on youtube and he does comprehensive reviews & tests of various masks - https://www.youtube.com/user/coll0412

But all the brands he try are super expensive cause even though from HK or Asia as their pricing is for Americans/western world. I tried an order at Masklab with MYR pricing and it end up almost RM16 for 1 kf94 mask because shipping doubles the cost. Even then RM8 per mask better buy 3M N95 from official store.

Also follow the subreddit Masks4all but again they talk about these masks that might not be available here - or i can't find them but tbh haven't exactly looked hard yet. Someone did mention this "Good Manner" mask so bought a few today to test - https://shopee.com.my/Good-Manner-KF94-face...3063.9737186425 - anyone tried before?



Selectt
post Aug 28 2021, 10:41 PM

wattttt!!
******
Senior Member
1,469 posts

Joined: Aug 2009

QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Aug 28 2021, 08:12 PM)
OK la, at least I am able to find it in FDA website.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh...694626&lpcd=LYU
*
ok thanks. let others analyze if its valid.
mushigen
post Aug 28 2021, 11:35 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(mochicake @ Aug 28 2021, 09:48 PM)
I watch this guy on youtube and he does comprehensive reviews & tests of various masks - https://www.youtube.com/user/coll0412

But all the brands he try are super expensive cause even though from HK or Asia as their pricing is for Americans/western world. I tried an order at Masklab with MYR pricing and it end up almost RM16 for 1 kf94 mask because shipping doubles the cost. Even then RM8 per mask better buy 3M N95 from official store.

Also follow the subreddit Masks4all but again they talk about these masks that might not be available here - or i can't find them but tbh haven't exactly looked hard yet. Someone did mention this "Good Manner" mask so bought a few today to test - https://shopee.com.my/Good-Manner-KF94-face...3063.9737186425 - anyone tried before?
*
When you said you bought to test, what sort of tests are you looking at? The thing with coronavirus is, unlike the haze where you can smell it, we cannot tell whether the respirator is indeed filtering the virus. Just have to trust the manufacturers.
yourinfohere
post Aug 28 2021, 11:46 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
116 posts

Joined: Jun 2019
Hello, mochicake, mushigen and others,

Do you do a water test of 3M kn95 9501? Will drop like below?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBx7L0Vco0
Respack 4ply KN95 vs KF94 Review
Timestamp 1:55

If you open/not open and take a 3M kn95 9501 hide the light, can you see the translucent lines and dots there?

Thank you.

QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 28 2021, 11:35 PM)
When you said you bought to test, what sort of tests are you looking at? The thing with coronavirus is, unlike the haze where you can smell it, we cannot tell whether the respirator is indeed filtering the virus. Just have to trust the manufacturers.
*
This post has been edited by yourinfohere: Aug 28 2021, 11:47 PM
theballer
post Aug 29 2021, 12:08 AM

On my way
****
Junior Member
507 posts

Joined: Mar 2013
Any comments about Wiicare KF94 masks? Kinda expensive as compared to the others..RM 85 for 25pcs

https://shopee.com.my/product/295851137/107...34-1630166843.9
mochicake
post Aug 29 2021, 12:50 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 28 2021, 11:35 PM)
When you said you bought to test, what sort of tests are you looking at? The thing with coronavirus is, unlike the haze where you can smell it, we cannot tell whether the respirator is indeed filtering the virus. Just have to trust the manufacturers.
*
I don’t have any specific tests but after buying what’s recommended just see if suit my face shape or irritate my skin and see any inhale/exhale escape, how much in general but no precise readings. The subreddit does talk about ways to test at home like making a scent spray and whatnot but not sure how deep i wanna go with all that yet.

edit - how to diy home fit test https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/dis...ECBF5725047D7C8

https://youtu.be/TRCZ8Qnf0Z0

QUOTE(yourinfohere @ Aug 28 2021, 11:46 PM)
Hello, mochicake, mushigen and others,

Do you do a water test of 3M kn95 9501? Will drop like below?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBx7L0Vco0
Respack 4ply KN95 vs KF94 Review
Timestamp 1:55

If you open/not open and take a 3M kn95 9501 hide the light, can you see the translucent lines and dots there?

Thank you.
*
Uh i haven't test like that. Since get from 3m official store i have no doubt about it so don't want waste one. I try light test tomorrow.

This post has been edited by mochicake: Aug 29 2021, 01:45 AM
ktek
post Aug 29 2021, 01:29 AM

워터파크
********
All Stars
10,565 posts

Joined: Jul 2006
QUOTE(Selectt @ Aug 28 2021, 05:29 PM)
i say dont need to work super hard on this. just wear double mask and yr problem solved. I say this is common sense.

if u find it hard to breath in ur mask, it is 99% working. When u cannot take oxygen from outside air when wearing mask, it is clearly been filtered or blocked. It is a very good reminder that you dont stay too long outside.

If its somehow easy to breath, maybe 95% or less working, depending on your needs. I know it is a weak judgment but it will work.

all these local made mask brand, lol up to you if you want to buy to 'relieve your worry'.
*
+1 wear double is fine
yourinfohere
post Aug 29 2021, 01:54 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
116 posts

Joined: Jun 2019
Thank you for your reply.

IMO, risk low, before you throw this KN 95 into bin, just soak a soap water then dry it out and test it.
I think I ok, just careful, simply wash it and put water see how.

QUOTE(mochicake @ Aug 29 2021, 12:50 AM)
I don’t have any specific tests but after buying what’s recommended just see if suit my face shape or irritate my skin and see any inhale/exhale escape, how much in general but no precise readings. The subreddit does talk about ways to test at home like making a scent spray and whatnot but not sure how deep i wanna go with all that yet.

edit - how to diy home fit test https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/dis...ECBF5725047D7C8

https://youtu.be/TRCZ8Qnf0Z0
Uh i haven't test like that. Since get from 3m official store i have no doubt about it so don't want waste one. I try light test tomorrow.
*
PalakOtakHang
post Aug 29 2021, 03:09 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
79 posts

Joined: Jul 2020
From: 5.3638° N, 100.3260° E
Any of you wear cloth mask over kn95/kf94?
Ewww!
post Aug 29 2021, 03:12 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,431 posts

Joined: Jul 2016
From: Lol!



Ahh yes, some nice info here.
Gonna get some for myself
tsunade
post Aug 29 2021, 04:13 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,993 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Konoha
QUOTE(yourinfohere @ Aug 28 2021, 11:46 PM)
Hello, mochicake, mushigen and others,

Do you do a water test of 3M kn95 9501? Will drop like below?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBx7L0Vco0
Respack 4ply KN95 vs KF94 Review
Timestamp 1:55

If you open/not open and take a 3M kn95 9501 hide the light, can you see the translucent lines and dots there?

Thank you.
*
Wow…. Respack supporters should really reconsider if that is the quality of their certified 4ply kn95
LA773
post Aug 29 2021, 06:01 AM

On my way
****
Junior Member
584 posts

Joined: Apr 2020
Guys, go get those copper ion masks.
Kills virus in 1 minute, and its cloth mask
Washable, and can use for 1 year
I bought from lazada terminus
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.dCV7Y
and also another is ion masks
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.dCfHb

Both are similar technology
Just use this ontop of ur normal 3ply paper mask
Safety & economy wise, its still better
mushigen
post Aug 29 2021, 08:58 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(yourinfohere @ Aug 28 2021, 11:46 PM)
Hello, mochicake, mushigen and others,

Do you do a water test of 3M kn95 9501? Will drop like below?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBx7L0Vco0
Respack 4ply KN95 vs KF94 Review
Timestamp 1:55

If you open/not open and take a 3M kn95 9501 hide the light, can you see the translucent lines and dots there?

Thank you.
*
I'll try the water test when I'm about to throw one away. As for light test, what lines and dots are you referring to, and "hide the light"?
mochicake
post Aug 29 2021, 10:33 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(PalakOtakHang @ Aug 29 2021, 03:09 AM)
Any of you wear cloth mask over kn95/kf94?
*
No since with kn95 it may reduce efficacy like n95 so they don’t recommend. I used to double mask with suspect surgical mask (prob dust, thin from hardware store) when i was saving n95s to rotate in early 2020. If you want save n95s to rotate/reuse maybe?

Haven’t tried with kf94 but doesn't the cloth smoosh the kf94 into your face? If no good seal on the kf94 better not.

Momo33
post Aug 29 2021, 12:51 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,070 posts

Joined: Oct 2019
QUOTE(Selectt @ Aug 28 2021, 06:36 PM)
how do u even verify the cert?  :rolleyes:
*
google// check the FDA /CDC site. has a list of approved Mask , and independent test performance results .
see here ...that 90 % of china made mask FAIL BFE / Filtration Efficiency (%) test vs the claim KN95/N95 standard etc...

imagine .. if 50 % of our covid cases are due to substandard mask and 20 % due to leaky mask . assuming all mask wearing.
IS this why our covid cases are so high .

those cheaper mask around 1 RM /a pc . i really doubt their BFE performance ..
and i notice on shopee they are sold by the thousands .

do not trust what sellers are saying/marketing data on their adverts .. without seeing some reliable verified test data .
your life may depend on this :nod:


This post has been edited by Momo33: Aug 29 2021, 12:52 PM
yourinfohere
post Aug 29 2021, 02:51 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
116 posts

Joined: Jun 2019
I wrong.
If you soap/wash and dry it away then test, maybe not accurate, normally will leak.

I think can't wash a mask, only before throw KN 95, in dry situation put the water and see how, this more accurate.

QUOTE(mochicake @ Aug 29 2021, 12:50 AM)
I don’t have any specific tests but after buying what’s recommended just see if suit my face shape or irritate my skin and see any inhale/exhale escape, how much in general but no precise readings. The subreddit does talk about ways to test at home like making a scent spray and whatnot but not sure how deep i wanna go with all that yet.

edit - how to diy home fit test https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/dis...ECBF5725047D7C8

https://youtu.be/TRCZ8Qnf0Z0
Uh i haven't test like that. Since get from 3m official store i have no doubt about it so don't want waste one. I try light test tomorrow.
*
yourinfohere
post Aug 29 2021, 02:52 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
116 posts

Joined: Jun 2019
Above I just copy and paste and see other last update approx. wrote is Respack 5 layers not leak, but for me I don't know. I also don't know this kind leak is normal and still safe? I still question it.

QUOTE(tsunade @ Aug 29 2021, 04:13 AM)
Wow…. Respack supporters should really reconsider if that is the quality of their certified 4ply kn95
*
yourinfohere
post Aug 29 2021, 02:57 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
116 posts

Joined: Jun 2019
Take a KN 95 put under the lamp light, can you see translucent lines and dots(mask pattern)?

This KN 95 or N95 only for 8 hours? If you using less than 8 hours, you will reuse again and again?

You wash/store 1 month of the KN 95/N 95, then when you wear 3 ply mask, you will take it over a 3 ply mask?
This is mean reuse KN 95/N 95 instead fabric cloth mask.
I think old KN 95/N 95 still more tie, not really effective but their material maybe better than fabric cloth mask, eco, save money and convenience. Do you think reuse KN 95/N 95 over a 3 ply mask(Outside can see 3 ply mask edges) is a good idea?

I worry do a fool thing, hope you and others can give some advise.

QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 29 2021, 08:58 AM)
I'll try the water test when I'm about to throw one away. As for light test, what lines and dots are you referring to, and "hide the light"?
*
mushigen
post Aug 29 2021, 03:44 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(yourinfohere @ Aug 29 2021, 02:57 PM)
Take a KN 95 put under the lamp light, can you see translucent lines and dots(mask pattern)?

This KN 95 or N95 only for 8 hours? If you using less than 8 hours, you will reuse again and again?

You wash/store 1 month of the KN 95/N 95, then when you wear 3 ply mask, you will take it over a 3 ply mask?
This is mean reuse KN 95/N 95 instead fabric cloth mask.
I think old KN 95/N 95 still more tie, not really effective but their material maybe better than fabric cloth mask, eco, save money and convenience. Do you think reuse KN 95/N 95 over a 3 ply mask(Outside can see 3 ply mask edges) is a good idea?

I worry do a fool thing, hope you and others can give some advise.
*
I'm sorry, I don't understand what pattern or lines you're referring to. I tried googling but all I got is light (as in candle fire) test where you try to blow it off.

I avoid reusing N95 after visiting high risk places, and I certainly will never wash N95 respirators, especially 3M respirators that use electrostatic material to trap particulates.

As for whether it's safe to reuse, nobody can tell you yes or no. Imo, the most basic thing to be aware is whether the inner side is contaminated when you remove or store the respirator, hence always remove the mask after sanitizing your hands and sanitize the hands after removing the mask. There's no way to know whether the outer side is contaminated, so to reuse or not is personal decision.

Also, kf94, kn95 and n95 are not supposed to be used together with another mask.

mochicake
post Aug 29 2021, 05:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(yourinfohere @ Aug 29 2021, 02:51 PM)
I wrong.
If you soap/wash and dry it away then test, maybe not accurate, normally will leak.

I think can't wash a mask, only before throw KN 95, in dry situation put the water and see how, this more accurate.
*
True make no sense to wash the mask then test. As washing you changing that composition of what's coming from the factory. Tbh since buy from 3M i don't bother testing. Once come home i throw away in a bin outside the door. Even want to handle cut to open check layers don't really want. For now just buy from reputable sources then don't need try test at home.

It's probably dumb but the best test for me is if i can't smell anything at all, then the mask is good enough for me. Put on once step out of house then don't take off until at front door at home.

For now since n95 and kn95 are plentiful for healthcare workers plus public, no need reuse. Whenever go grocery shopping for example, I wear one then throw. My husband unfortunately has a huge head so he finds them all uncomfortable & hates the double band behind head (plus stubborn) ... so when he go work he only wears a 4-ply medicos surgical mask. I did force him to wear a 3M n95 9010 when he go to PPV but it was tough going lol That's why I keep hunting for new masks as want him to have more protection daily. But it needs to be comfy and easy so lots of 'testing' i.e. buy and try. That's why the kf94s are appealing. Top runners are kf94s and the new 3m advanced filtering/9513 with hook but still trying convince him. So keep the kf94 recommendations coming ...
mushigen
post Aug 29 2021, 07:25 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(mochicake @ Aug 29 2021, 05:09 PM)
True make no sense to wash the mask then test. As washing you changing that composition of what's coming from the factory. Tbh since buy from 3M i don't bother testing. Once come home i throw away in a bin outside the door. Even want to handle cut to open check layers don't really want. For now just buy from reputable sources then don't need try test at home.

It's probably dumb but the best test for me is if i can't smell anything at all, then the mask is good enough for me. Put on once step out of house then don't take off until at front door at home.

For now since n95 and kn95 are plentiful for healthcare workers plus public, no need reuse. Whenever go grocery shopping for example, I wear one then throw. My husband unfortunately has a huge head so he finds them all uncomfortable & hates the double band behind head (plus stubborn) ... so when he go work he only wears a 4-ply medicos surgical mask. I did force him to wear a 3M n95 9010 when he go to PPV but it was tough going lol That's why I keep hunting for new masks as want him to have more protection daily. But it needs to be comfy and easy so lots of 'testing' i.e. buy and try. That's why the kf94s are appealing. Top runners are kf94s and the new 3m advanced filtering/9513 with hook but still trying convince him. So keep the kf94 recommendations coming ...
*
Your husband reminds me of my MIL. Bought a face shield for her after asking if she's willing to wear, but she complains it makes her feel stuffy. I don't know where the stuffiness comes from, it's not as if she is wearing full chemical suit with breathing apparatus.

As for tight masks, you can try stretching the headloops especially if it's 3M respirators. It helps to make it more comfortable. Unless he has abnormal head size, I don't understand why 3M respirators don't suit him. One basic characteristic of PPE is it is never designed to make wearers feel comfortable at the expense of protection.

anakMY
post Aug 29 2021, 07:37 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 29 2021, 03:44 PM)
I'm sorry, I don't understand what pattern or lines you're referring to. I tried googling but all I got is light (as in candle fire) test where you try to blow it off.

I avoid reusing N95 after visiting high risk places, and I certainly will never wash N95 respirators, especially 3M respirators that use electrostatic material to trap particulates.

As for whether it's safe to reuse, nobody can tell you yes or no. Imo, the most basic thing to be aware is whether the inner side is contaminated when you remove or store the respirator, hence always remove the mask after sanitizing your hands and sanitize the hands after removing the mask. There's no way to know whether the outer side is contaminated, so to reuse or not is personal decision.

Also, kf94, kn95 and n95 are not supposed to be used together with another mask.
*
It can be reused if u know how to handle it, mainly bcz our hands and the outer surface of the mask is contaminated.

If u wanna reuse, make sure
- do not touch the inner surface
- keep it inside a safety box
- wash ur hands and disinfect ur phones, wallets, keys. And go take a bath.
mushigen
post Aug 29 2021, 07:43 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(anakMY @ Aug 29 2021, 07:37 PM)
It can be reused if u know how to handle it, mainly bcz our hands and the outer surface of the mask is contaminated.

If u wanna reuse, make sure
- do not touch the inner surface
- keep it inside a safety box
- wash ur hands and disinfect ur phones, wallets,  keys. And go take a bath.
*
It all depends on one's risk appetite. If you assume that the loops are also contaminated, storing it inside a safety box - whatever that is - may introduce virus to the inner surface if the loops touch the surface. This is after taking the steps I described before.

And when wearing it, one needs to assume both his hands are contaminated and need to be sanitized.
anakMY
post Aug 29 2021, 07:56 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 29 2021, 07:43 PM)
It all depends on one's risk appetite. If you assume that the loops are also contaminated, storing it inside a safety box - whatever that is - may introduce virus to the inner surface if the loops touch the surface. This is after taking the steps I described before.

And when wearing it, one needs to assume both his hands are contaminated and need to be sanitized.
*
Yep its quite technique sensitive. For normal person better just don't reuse. Reuse only for those who have enuf knowledge and are very careful with handling masks.
mushigen
post Aug 29 2021, 07:58 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(anakMY @ Aug 29 2021, 07:56 PM)
Yep its quite technique sensitive. For normal person better just don't reuse. Reuse only for those who have enuf knowledge and are very careful with handling masks.
*
Exactly. That's why I advise my older folks back home to discard after every use. Whether they listen to me or not is another matter. You know lah...
anakMY
post Aug 29 2021, 07:59 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 29 2021, 07:58 PM)
Exactly. That's why I advise my older folks back home to discard after every use. Whether they listen to me or not is another matter. You know lah...
*
Same lah my parents keep reusing their surgical masks too.
TSwesternkl
post Sep 1 2021, 03:34 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
419 posts

Joined: Aug 2010


QUOTE(PalakOtakHang @ Aug 29 2021, 03:09 AM)
Any of you wear cloth mask over kn95/kf94?
*
I looking for answer too~
imbibug
post Sep 1 2021, 01:31 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,553 posts

Joined: Jan 2013


QUOTE(Chiggah @ Aug 28 2021, 05:28 PM)
This or KN95 better ?
*
The filtering performance is similar enough not to matter. The advantage of KF94 is that the Korean govt is more stringent in certification and punishing companies making fakes.
imbibug
post Sep 1 2021, 01:36 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,553 posts

Joined: Jan 2013


QUOTE(westernkl @ Sep 1 2021, 03:34 AM)
I looking for answer too~
*
See the post above from Mushigen, he is right that n95, KN95, KF94 designs are not supposed to worn with another mask.
Lushtree
post Sep 1 2021, 03:13 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
90 posts

Joined: Aug 2012


Actually is quite simply to identify the real KF94 facemask, if the mask is not approved by KFDA or made in Korea, technically it not KF94 mask!

Another tips is KF94 mask should have print out the manufacturer name and the address at the back of the enveloper.




(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/01/B6mqxO.md.jpg)
Tachikoma
post Sep 1 2021, 10:42 PM

Dot
*******
Senior Member
2,862 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


You know... at some point its going to be cheaper to just get an elastomeric respirator.

https://shopee.com.my/3M-6200-RESPIRATOR-3M...9305&position=3

The benefit is that you don't even need to change the filters very often (stuff that gets stuck on the outer layer will just stay there), just wash the inner plastic part.

https://intjem.biomedcentral.com/articles/1...245-020-00296-8

This post has been edited by Tachikoma: Sep 1 2021, 10:42 PM
KopiChia
post Sep 1 2021, 10:48 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(Tachikoma @ Sep 1 2021, 10:42 PM)
You know... at some point its going to be cheaper to just get an elastomeric respirator.

https://shopee.com.my/3M-6200-RESPIRATOR-3M...9305&position=3

The benefit is that you don't even need to change the filters very often (stuff that gets stuck on the outer layer will just stay there), just wash the inner plastic part.

https://intjem.biomedcentral.com/articles/1...245-020-00296-8
*
Won't that be like "heavy" well bulky at minimum.
Tachikoma
post Sep 1 2021, 10:55 PM

Dot
*******
Senior Member
2,862 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 1 2021, 10:48 PM)
Won't that be like "heavy" well bulky at minimum.
*
The half face one is alright, bulky yes, but not too heavy.

I use a full face mask XD
andrekua2
post Sep 1 2021, 10:55 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
10,441 posts

Joined: Jan 2012


» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Amy Neutrovis KF94 users here? Can you check your packaging?

I just noticed that I had 2 different packaging after buying from 2 different sellers on Lazada.

On the left, just arrived from smart care pharmacy, packaging is not glossy. On the right is from mdes supplies, packaging is glossy on both sides. Both are manufactured in June which make it suspicious the difference in packaging. Box looks the same though. I still haven't open up the non glossy one to check if there's any difference. Will wait tomorrow when wife wants to wear.

She had used the glossy packaging ones from mdes, and since I tried out respack for the first time, I had the chance to compare both. I think neutrovis is very slightly thicker, had longer adjustable bar for nose, but the biggest difference is the inner of the mask. The surface on neutrovis feels smoother, compared to the respack which had many tiny fibers, like those normal mask. I can see that my wife acne has improved after wearing Neutrovis for few days.

mochicake
post Sep 2 2021, 08:42 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 1 2021, 10:55 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Amy Neutrovis KF94 users here? Can you check your packaging?

I just noticed that I had 2 different packaging after buying from 2 different sellers on Lazada.

On the left, just arrived from smart care pharmacy, packaging is not glossy. On the right is from mdes supplies, packaging is glossy on both sides. Both are manufactured in June which make it suspicious the difference in packaging. Box looks the same though. I still haven't open up the non glossy one to check if there's any difference. Will wait tomorrow when wife wants to wear.

She had used the glossy packaging ones from mdes, and since I tried out respack for the first time, I had the chance to compare both. I think neutrovis is very slightly thicker, had longer adjustable bar for nose, but the biggest difference is the inner of the mask. The surface on neutrovis feels smoother, compared to the respack which had many tiny fibers, like those normal mask. I can see that my wife acne has improved after wearing Neutrovis for few days.
*
Why didn’t you buy from Neutrovis official? Then no doubt. Mine pink color also June manufactured date glossy. Most pink come from Neutrovis official Lazada and few from Watson’s (less than 5). Both packaging mine seem same.

Update - i open all box. The matte with Neutrovis visible on mask is new packaging, cause the blue is new color. Purchased from Lazada official store last week. All the pink is glossy. Black 1 box is the new packaging bought at same time with blue and pink.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This post has been edited by mochicake: Sep 2 2021, 09:04 AM
andrekua2
post Sep 2 2021, 09:17 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
10,441 posts

Joined: Jan 2012


QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 2 2021, 08:42 AM)
Why didn’t you buy from Neutrovis official? Then no doubt. Mine pink color also June manufactured date glossy. Most pink come from Neutrovis official Lazada and few from Watson’s (less than 5). Both packaging mine seem same.

Update - i open all box. The matte with Neutrovis visible on mask is new packaging, cause the blue is new color. Purchased from Lazada official store last week. All the pink is glossy. Black 1 box is the new packaging bought at same time with blue and pink.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
Just confirmed matte is probably the new packaging to reduce cost or whatever. My brother bought 2 pink from caring pharmacy and it is matte.
nickxas
post Sep 2 2021, 09:30 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(Tachikoma @ Sep 1 2021, 10:42 PM)
You know... at some point its going to be cheaper to just get an elastomeric respirator.

https://shopee.com.my/3M-6200-RESPIRATOR-3M...9305&position=3

The benefit is that you don't even need to change the filters very often (stuff that gets stuck on the outer layer will just stay there), just wash the inner plastic part.

https://intjem.biomedcentral.com/articles/1...245-020-00296-8
*
aiyo, that 3m respirator is counterfeit lah :shakehead:
mochicake
post Sep 2 2021, 09:44 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 2 2021, 09:30 AM)
aiyo, that 3m respirator is counterfeit lah :shakehead:
*
Ya so cheap with wrong filters also. With voucher can get from 3M 6200 with 7093 filters and wipes for about 80-90.

But think half mask respirator bit overkill to wear. Proper N95 is fine.

This post has been edited by mochicake: Sep 2 2021, 09:46 AM
mushigen
post Sep 2 2021, 09:48 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(Tachikoma @ Sep 1 2021, 10:42 PM)
You know... at some point its going to be cheaper to just get an elastomeric respirator.

https://shopee.com.my/3M-6200-RESPIRATOR-3M...9305&position=3

The benefit is that you don't even need to change the filters very often (stuff that gets stuck on the outer layer will just stay there), just wash the inner plastic part.

https://intjem.biomedcentral.com/articles/1...245-020-00296-8
*
This is not advisable if you have not undergone fit test conducted by qualified trainer. The respirator has sizes and you need to know your size before using it.
beeMay
post Sep 2 2021, 09:56 AM

Dr
****
Junior Member
647 posts

Joined: Jun 2016
i have been using the cheapo KF94 mask it says the brand is SUPMEDI
the layer seems pretty thin but it fits the face well and i find it a bit difficult to breathe using that
Tachikoma
post Sep 2 2021, 12:18 PM

Dot
*******
Senior Member
2,862 posts

Joined: Jan 2005


QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 2 2021, 09:30 AM)
aiyo, that 3m respirator is counterfeit lah :shakehead:
*
How do you tell if its counterfeit?

To be honest it feels pretty nice, seals well and everything (they gave me a half mask for free)
muncheno
post Sep 2 2021, 12:20 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
683 posts

Joined: Jun 2006
From: Ipoh
For me, if I will need to check the masks then I will do this:-

1) blow candle test
2) water test
3) Cut to see number of layers against product claimed.
4) Burn test to check if the layers make out of cotton or paper, it should make with hydrophobic materials (normally out of plastic).

5) For N95/KF94/KN95, I will also check how easy to breath and if the mask expand or contracting when breathe in/out to check for good sealing.

Additionally info I'm known here, the packaging should not have FDA symbols as this prohibited by FDA. The packaging for medical device should also containing - manufacturer address, lot not, manufacturing date & exp date, perhaps also claimed tested standard, GB or ISO, etc

This post has been edited by muncheno: Sep 2 2021, 12:36 PM
imbibug
post Sep 2 2021, 12:54 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,553 posts

Joined: Jan 2013


QUOTE(Lushtree @ Sep 1 2021, 03:13 PM)
Actually is quite simply to identify the real KF94 facemask, if the mask is not approved by KFDA or made in Korea, technically it not KF94 mask!

Another tips is KF94 mask should have print out the manufacturer name and the address at the back of the enveloper.

......
There are some Chinese manufacturers of KF94 who may not bother with KFDA certification and only FDA/CE. I think they are still good.
mochicake
post Sep 2 2021, 01:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
Sorry Respack but shipping so slow, cancelled Shopee order. Maybe if go pharmacy see box will grab one to try. Seems reviews say they are a bit thin? And too large for smaller faces.

Someone in kopitiam thread mentioned wiicare (which is in FDA and MDA). They have official store on shopee. Got these instead - in white, from parkcitypharmacy shop. Maybe this will be the best fit for hubby's huge face as it says "large". The mask reviewer in US says it fits like LG airwasher kf94 good for large face but those are RM10 each if buy from LG official.

https://shopee.com.my/WIICARE-KF94-FACE-MAS...1137.5357855592

Update - ordered wiicare last night, today show up already. the masks all the writing in korean and say "made in korea" expiry 2023. Tomorrow get hubby to try.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Info about wiicare
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This post has been edited by mochicake: Sep 2 2021, 01:59 PM
imbibug
post Sep 2 2021, 01:12 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,553 posts

Joined: Jan 2013


QUOTE(mushigen @ Sep 2 2021, 09:48 AM)
This is not advisable if you have not undergone fit test conducted by qualified trainer. The respirator has sizes and you need to know your size before using it.
*
Do you know if the 3M 8210 mask filter is strictly a single use item only because its filter media relies more electrostatic charge?
mochicake
post Sep 2 2021, 01:26 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 2 2021, 01:12 PM)
Do you know if the 3M 8210 mask filter is strictly a single use item only because its filter media relies more electrostatic charge?
*
Most people now use one time and throw. Back in 2020 when there was shortage people even medical professionals re-used it and it was perfectly fine even with their high usage. They layer surgical mask on top which is thrown away daily, put n95 in paper bag every day and rotate between however many n95 they had usually letting it air out in bag for 5-7 days. So if someone cannot afford to throw n95s every day, they may be able to get away with doing that process.
imbibug
post Sep 2 2021, 02:08 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,553 posts

Joined: Jan 2013


QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 2 2021, 01:26 PM)
Most people now use one time and throw. Back in 2020 when there was shortage people even medical professionals re-used it and it was perfectly fine even with their high usage. They layer surgical mask on top which is thrown away daily, put n95 in paper bag every day and rotate between however many n95 they had usually letting it air out in bag for 5-7 days. So if someone cannot afford to throw n95s every day, they may be able to get away with doing that process.
*
What I want to know if is if the filter media on the 8210 is less dense compared to KN95/KF94 and relies more on electrostatic charge to trap particles.
mochicake
post Sep 2 2021, 02:10 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 2 2021, 02:08 PM)
What I want to know if is if the filter media on the 8210 is less dense compared to KN95/KF94 and relies more on electrostatic charge to trap particles.
*
On the box it does state for single shift use only.
mushigen
post Sep 2 2021, 02:22 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 2 2021, 01:12 PM)
Do you know if the 3M 8210 mask filter is strictly a single use item only because its filter media relies more electrostatic charge?
*
Imo the issue is with hygiene and virus. Surface contamination issue aside, there is no way for end users to determine if the filter layer is saturated with virus or has lost its electrostatic properties.

In usage during haze time (or dusty environment), users can smell the haze or dust if the respirator stops performing optimally, or will suffer breathing difficulty if the filter layer is saturated with dust. Both of these serve as indicator of the time to change respirator. With virus, one cannot tell if either of the above has happened.

Besides, a dirty respirator used in dusty environment can be easily spotted. Not so a respirator "dirtied" by virus.

So, to reuse or not strictly depends on user's risk tolerance. Just my 2 sen.
mushigen
post Sep 2 2021, 02:27 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 2 2021, 02:08 PM)
What I want to know if is if the filter media on the 8210 is less dense compared to KN95/KF94 and relies more on electrostatic charge to trap particles.
*
This is somewhat true for 3M 9501+ (kn95). There are a total of 3 layers, compared to 4/5 layers for non-3M type. The middle layer doesn't look like melt blown plastic, more like the 3M aircon filter insert that we can buy to put on our home aircon.

Let me check my 3M 9105 vflex (N95) once I have the opportunity.

As for the 8210, I don't have it now but it's more difficult to breathe in 8210 compared to 9105 vflex.
Lushtree
post Sep 2 2021, 02:32 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
90 posts

Joined: Aug 2012


QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 2 2021, 12:54 PM)
There are some Chinese manufacturers of KF94 who may not bother with KFDA certification and only FDA/CE. I think they are still good.
*
Maybe, maybe not. who know? many KN95 are claimed by the China manufactures are good, but still failed...

Personally, I will put my money on the real KFDA and Korean made KF94.
nickxas
post Sep 2 2021, 04:18 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(Tachikoma @ Sep 2 2021, 12:18 PM)
How do you tell if its counterfeit?

To be honest it feels pretty nice, seals well and everything (they gave me a half mask for free)
*
it is well known that there are a lot of counterfeit 3m respirators on the market even before the pandemic.

1st, the price is too low

2nd, there is no safe guard code

3rd. the packaging seal is not right

there should be a lot more points to prove that is counterfeit but the above 3 are enough.




PalakOtakHang
post Sep 3 2021, 05:15 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
79 posts

Joined: Jul 2020
From: 5.3638° N, 100.3260° E
Bought and tested Cofoe KN95. Cofoe seems like a reputable China company as it is a huge pharmaceutical company producing other medical-related products too.

Tests conducted:
1) Water leakage - Pass
2) Inflammable - Pass

Didn't try to blow candle. As I breathe, the mask contracted up and down.
4 ply - cut open checked

Review: Quite small maybe because my face is quite big and wide. Despite that, the ear loops didn't break off at all.

Can someone buy and test? It is sold on Shopee for 5pcs per pack, each pcs is sealed individually. RM1 per pcs only.
mochicake
post Sep 3 2021, 08:17 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
The wiicare masks fit well, no gap or air leak under chin unlike Neutrovis. For almost RM4 each is a bit steep. The material feels like old school surgical mask or sheets with crinkly sounds, not as refined as N. But at least got MDA/FDA approval.
andrekua2
post Sep 3 2021, 04:55 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
10,441 posts

Joined: Jan 2012


QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 2 2021, 01:09 PM)
Sorry Respack but shipping so slow, cancelled Shopee order. Maybe if go pharmacy see box will grab one to try. Seems reviews say they are a bit thin? And too large for smaller faces.

Someone in kopitiam thread mentioned wiicare (which is in FDA and MDA). They have official store on shopee. Got these instead - in white, from parkcitypharmacy shop. Maybe this will be the best fit for hubby's huge face as it says "large". The mask reviewer in US says it fits like LG airwasher kf94 good for large face but those are RM10 each if buy from LG official.

https://shopee.com.my/WIICARE-KF94-FACE-MAS...1137.5357855592

Update - ordered wiicare last night, today show up already. the masks all the writing in korean and say "made in korea" expiry 2023. Tomorrow get hubby to try.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Info about wiicare
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
I would advise against respack. My bro just told me (he was given samples by colleague) black is thicker and slightly bigger (air leaks on top slightly) while blue is thinner and smaller. Today is my third day of using the black color (I didnt want to use but since I want to let my wife use Neutrovis, but she already bought 2 packs, black and blue) and I still feel the slight itchiness due to the inner layer material. Tomorrow I think I will try and see if blue is indeed thinner and smaller as claimed by my brother.

Although Neutrovis do not have the certification, I think the quality is pretty good on the inner layer which is smooth. After I told my wife about the difference in packaging, she proceed and tore up 1 new mask from each packaging and burn them to check the quality. Both are 4 layers and 2 layer melt blown (pain to learn that RM5 is gone just like that when there is internet).

This post has been edited by andrekua2: Sep 3 2021, 04:57 PM
mochicake
post Sep 3 2021, 05:06 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 3 2021, 04:55 PM)
I would advise against respack. My bro just told me (he was given samples by colleague) black is thicker and slightly bigger (air leaks on top slightly) while blue is thinner and smaller. Today is my third day of using the black color (I didnt want to use but since I want to let my wife use Neutrovis, but she already bought 2 packs, black and blue) and I still feel the slight itchiness due to the inner layer material. Tomorrow I think I will try and see if blue is indeed thinner and smaller as claimed by my brother.

Although Neutrovis do not have the certification, I think the quality is pretty good on the inner layer which is smooth. After I told my wife about the difference in packaging, she proceed and tore up 1 new mask from each packaging and burn them to check the quality. Both are 4 layers and 2 layer melt blown (pain to learn that RM5 is gone just like that when there is internet).
*
Thanks to your wife for testing the Neutrovis masks. I have been wearing it daily this past work week, tho don't work close to anyone and it is very comfortable. But go grocery store still wore a n95. Dunno when my paranoia will ease to be able to wear kf94s everywhere.

Right now so many options so going to give Respack a miss thanks to all the feedback by you and others in this thread. Really disappointed with their official store, shipping out very2 slow & no communication ... compared to all those random Korean stores or other online orders all through week.

I went and got more wiicare plus some Bluna kf94 from Korea (RM99 for 30pcs). These are mostly for the hubby and his big face/head but still got to convince him to switch from 4-ply medicos to kf94 daily to work.
andrekua2
post Sep 3 2021, 05:13 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
10,441 posts

Joined: Jan 2012


QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 3 2021, 05:06 PM)
Thanks to your wife for testing the Neutrovis masks. I have been wearing it daily this past work week, tho don't work close to anyone and it is very comfortable. But go grocery store still wore a n95. Dunno when my paranoia will ease to be able to wear kf94s everywhere.

Right now so many options so going to give Respack a miss thanks to all the feedback by you and others in this thread. Really disappointed with their official store, shipping out very2 slow & no communication ... compared to all those random Korean stores or other online orders all through week.

I went and got more wiicare plus some Bluna kf94 from Korea (RM99 for 30pcs). These are mostly for the hubby and his big face/head but still got to convince him to switch from 4-ply medicos to kf94 daily to work.
*
Another brand I think worth trying is Ezwell. I havent used it before but my cousin just started using it two days ago (he bought these after we condemned him on those unbranded chinese KF94). It looks pretty good upon inspection but havent tried to tore and burn to confirm the materials.
nickxas
post Sep 3 2021, 07:00 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 3 2021, 04:55 PM)
I would advise against respack. My bro just told me (he was given samples by colleague) black is thicker and slightly bigger (air leaks on top slightly) while blue is thinner and smaller. Today is my third day of using the black color (I didnt want to use but since I want to let my wife use Neutrovis, but she already bought 2 packs, black and blue) and I still feel the slight itchiness due to the inner layer material. Tomorrow I think I will try and see if blue is indeed thinner and smaller as claimed by my brother.

Although Neutrovis do not have the certification, I think the quality is pretty good on the inner layer which is smooth. After I told my wife about the difference in packaging, she proceed and tore up 1 new mask from each packaging and burn them to check the quality. Both are 4 layers and 2 layer melt blown (pain to learn that RM5 is gone just like that when there is internet).
*
water and burning test can't differentiate good or fake mask according to this article.
https://post.smzdm.com/p/a5kqm8v3/

by the way, rm2.5 per piece is too expensive, it is better to just buy 3m, i managed to buy 3m 9513 at around rm2.7 using voucher.
andrekua2
post Sep 3 2021, 09:53 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
10,441 posts

Joined: Jan 2012


QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 3 2021, 07:00 PM)
water and burning test can't differentiate good or fake mask according to this article.
https://post.smzdm.com/p/a5kqm8v3/

by the way, rm2.5 per piece is too expensive, it is better to just buy 3m, i managed to buy 3m 9513 at around rm2.7 using voucher.
*
Well, it's expensive for sure. Before this my wife already using Neutrovis 4 layers. I already explained earlier the reason for my choice. She only use mask at work thus only needs 26 or so every month.

As for me, I have been using 3 ply medicos sure to nature of work, hot and humid. The machine broke down and repairman need to wait until mid September for 2nd dose thus I'm currently has some free time to try these mask. I also had some N95 before and totally can't stand the heat plus breathing difficulty while wearing it for work.
andrekua2
post Sep 4 2021, 08:42 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
10,441 posts

Joined: Jan 2012


QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 3 2021, 05:06 PM)
Thanks to your wife for testing the Neutrovis masks. I have been wearing it daily this past work week, tho don't work close to anyone and it is very comfortable. But go grocery store still wore a n95. Dunno when my paranoia will ease to be able to wear kf94s everywhere.

Right now so many options so going to give Respack a miss thanks to all the feedback by you and others in this thread. Really disappointed with their official store, shipping out very2 slow & no communication ... compared to all those random Korean stores or other online orders all through week.

I went and got more wiicare plus some Bluna kf94 from Korea (RM99 for 30pcs). These are mostly for the hubby and his big face/head but still got to convince him to switch from 4-ply medicos to kf94 daily to work.
*
Update on Respack part2:

Today I tried blue respack KF94 and I was honestly surprised. On touch, you will feel it is thinner but I dont really think that it is a good indicator since we are human. What I felt is that the outer blue color layer is so much softer than the black ones. Not only that, the inner layer which touch the face is also softer and less fibers were seen poking out. I dont feel the same itchiness like when I tried the black ones. As for the size, I placed one ontop of the other and they looked the same but when you wear it, you definitely feel the difference in size. I think it has to do with the stitching lines difference between black and blue. The black feels like it can tuck in further than the blue creating a feel that the mask is smaller. The black can tuck in until the stitching line touch the chin but the blue can only extend until the flap wrapped around the chin nicely.

It is hard to say which is better really but I think I prefer the blue ones. It is softer, less fibers poking out from the inner layer which dont feel itchy at all, and it still fits my face.

march173
post Sep 4 2021, 02:01 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
90 posts

Joined: Mar 2010


Is Neutrovis KF94 certified? Didnt see any logo at box or individual packaging. Not kfda, ce or mda

Edit : Btw, i go to watson to check the box. So it wasn't fake one. Dunno if watson sell fake, highly doubt it

This post has been edited by march173: Sep 4 2021, 02:02 PM
march173
post Sep 4 2021, 04:29 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
90 posts

Joined: Mar 2010


QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 4 2021, 08:42 AM)
Update on Respack part2:

Today I tried blue respack KF94 and I was honestly surprised. On touch, you will feel it is thinner but I dont really think that it is a good indicator since we are human. What I felt is that the outer blue color layer is so much softer than the black ones. Not only that, the inner layer which touch the face is also softer and less fibers were seen poking out. I dont feel the same itchiness like when I tried the black ones. As for the size, I placed one ontop of the other and they looked the same but when you wear it, you definitely feel the difference in size. I think it has to do with the stitching lines difference between black and blue. The black feels like it can tuck in further than the blue creating a feel that the mask is smaller. The black can tuck in until the stitching line touch the chin but the blue can only extend until the flap wrapped around the chin nicely.

It is hard to say which is better really but I think I prefer the blue ones. It is softer, less fibers poking out from the inner layer which dont feel itchy at all, and it still fits my face.
*
Blue one got KFDA logo on the box. Black one just CE and MDA. No KFDA. Maybe that why its different
mochicake
post Sep 4 2021, 06:15 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(march173 @ Sep 4 2021, 02:01 PM)
Is Neutrovis KF94 certified? Didnt see any logo at box or individual packaging. Not kfda, ce or mda

Edit : Btw, i go to watson to check the box. So it wasn't fake one. Dunno if watson sell fake, highly doubt it
*
I got from Watson's official on Shopee the first two boxes. It's the same as the one got from Neutrovis official Lazada. Doubt Watson's bother get fakes esp for cheap plentiful products. None of those MDA, CE or KFDA on the box. Don't think they have it (yet) ... thought only korean accredited then can call it kf94? Made in China not Korea also.
bananajoe
post Sep 4 2021, 06:52 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
445 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: BananaLand



QUOTE(westernkl @ Aug 27 2021, 10:54 PM)
Must have warning on the mask
march173
post Sep 4 2021, 09:39 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
90 posts

Joined: Mar 2010


QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 4 2021, 06:15 PM)
I got from Watson's official on Shopee the first two boxes. It's the same as the one got from Neutrovis official Lazada. Doubt Watson's bother get fakes esp for cheap plentiful products. None of those MDA, CE or KFDA on the box. Don't think they have it (yet) ... thought only korean accredited then can call it kf94? Made in China not Korea also.
*
Kf94 is korean standard. Slightly lower than n95.
The problem is, everyone thought it call kf94 because of its shape. Which is not
PalakOtakHang
post Sep 5 2021, 05:58 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
79 posts

Joined: Jul 2020
From: 5.3638° N, 100.3260° E
https://shopee.com.my/Yuka-Zan-KF94-4ply-Pr...994.11511703806

got people complaint yuka zan kf94 got QC issue. The shopee shop is listed officially on yukazan website
PalakOtakHang
post Sep 5 2021, 09:12 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
79 posts

Joined: Jul 2020
From: 5.3638° N, 100.3260° E
TBH it is almost impossible to determine if the kn95/kf94 masks available on our market are counterfeit/legit.

Take a look at the test results by CDC. Too many fake masks. What makes you think that our locally produced masks are as good as they proclaim? The best bet is buying 3M products, but they are too expensive for daily usage.

Like someone mentioned earlier, those tests circulated online (water leakage, inflammable fabric, etc) do not prove the filtration efficiency of masks. They can pass all the 'online tests', but the fact is they are just inefficient in filtering.

I even have doubts in how good is our MDA standard as compared to the international standards. There are no actual lab test filtration reports on MDA approved kn95/kf94 or any masks in our market.

:(

This post has been edited by PalakOtakHang: Sep 5 2021, 09:13 AM
mochicake
post Sep 5 2021, 01:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(PalakOtakHang @ Sep 5 2021, 05:58 AM)
https://shopee.com.my/Yuka-Zan-KF94-4ply-Pr...994.11511703806

got people complaint yuka zan kf94 got QC issue. The shopee shop is listed officially on yukazan website
*
I skipped this brand cause 10 pcs all smooshed into one bag. Though it is cheap & affordable might make it worth it for some.


mochicake
post Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color.

Attached Image


This post has been edited by mochicake: Sep 5 2021, 02:10 PM
KopiChia
post Sep 5 2021, 02:35 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM)
Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color. 

Attached Image
*
Why ship frm overseas local Lazada seller in Selangor got carry these too. So they are good? Hmm might buy some for my dad. Atm I am using Adcare KN95 frm 7/11 those are made in China but comfortable for my ears so far.
march173
post Sep 5 2021, 02:47 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
90 posts

Joined: Mar 2010


QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 5 2021, 02:35 PM)
Why ship frm overseas local Lazada seller in Selangor got carry these too. So they are good? Hmm might buy some for my dad. Atm I am using Adcare KN95 frm 7/11 those are made in China but comfortable for my ears so far.
*
If it shipped from korea, you know its genuine kf94.
Korea government will punish those making fake mask and label them as kf94

mochicake
post Sep 5 2021, 03:03 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 5 2021, 02:35 PM)
Why ship frm overseas local Lazada seller in Selangor got carry these too. So they are good? Hmm might buy some for my dad. Atm I am using Adcare KN95 frm 7/11 those are made in China but comfortable for my ears so far.
*
Like what @March173 said if from Korea you know it's probably legit. Kf94 masks are a dime a dozen in Korea so there's probably no need to fake something so cheap. Reseller here might not have 100% assurance whether they selling authentic. Plus the quality of mask is better than ones found locally here around same price. I haven't worn out yet but from feel, random try-on inside house it's very comfortable.

Good Manner also sells from their official website and you can get 100-200 pcs in bulk but shipping to Malaysia about RM100. Unsure if face mask will be taxed by kastam? It also drives up the price to RM4-5 but then at least you know it is 100% legit. Black mask costs more than white even on their website so that explains why the pharmacy also did that.

https://goodmannermask.com/

The brand is sold mostly in Canada outside of Korea and had good results in tests - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtrat...place-1.5974442

The packaging on Good Manner no "FDA" on it unlike Wiicare which is what most authenticity articles say is a no-no (think wiicare will improve packaging after this batch and remove FDA?). I will buy 20-30 GM from shopee for a month's supply for hubby in the future if this is the final kf94 we settle on for his daily usage.

nickxas
post Sep 5 2021, 07:46 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(march173 @ Sep 5 2021, 02:47 PM)
If it shipped from korea, you know its genuine kf94.
Korea government will punish those making fake mask and label them as kf94
*
it is still possible to get counterfeit kf94 shipped directly from korea, look at these:
https://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=9534
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5177018/
nickxas
post Sep 5 2021, 07:55 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM)
Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color. 

Attached Image
*
It was just RM1 per piece with free shipping during laz flash sale two weeks ago
anakMY
post Sep 5 2021, 07:59 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM)
Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color. 

Attached Image
*
How do u know its up to standard? Do they provide lab test certificates?
mochicake
post Sep 5 2021, 08:39 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(anakMY @ Sep 5 2021, 07:59 PM)
How do u know its up to standard? Do they provide lab test certificates?
*
Enough due diligence done for myself personally. Did you read the Canada FDA equivalent tests done where GM passed the tests? The GM brand is listed in FDA also for medical use - https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh...684251&lpcd=QKR

I dunno 100% seller not selling fakes but high probability they are not cause of reasons stated in my previous post. That is enough justification for me for kf94. From Korea better than local with their dodgy claims. I rather buy and wear a kf94 than kn95 from china. Far more risky and high risk of failures in tests with kn95s. I would wear a 3M n95 for high stress areas anyways. This is good enough for me and my family.
mochicake
post Sep 5 2021, 08:41 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 5 2021, 07:55 PM)
It was just RM1 per piece with free shipping during laz flash sale two weeks ago
*
Did you buy from reseller in MY or shipped from Korea itself? It was still cheap for me as i got some other kf94s for $4 each (wiicare) so these were a steal.
anakMY
post Sep 5 2021, 08:43 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 5 2021, 08:39 PM)
Enough due diligence done for myself personally. Did you read the Canada FDA equivalent tests done where GM passed the tests? The GM brand is listed in FDA also for medical use - https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh...684251&lpcd=QKR

I dunno 100% seller not selling fakes but high probability they are not cause of reasons stated in my previous post. That is enough justification for me for kf94. From Korea better than local with their dodgy claims. I rather buy and wear a kf94 than kn95 from china. Far more risky and high risk of failures in tests with kn95s. I would wear a 3M n95 for high stress areas anyways. This is good enough for me and my family.
*
Yep it ranks higher than those local dodgy KF94 ones, which a lot are made in China. The top of the choice is of course 3M n95 hehe.
nickxas
post Sep 5 2021, 08:51 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 5 2021, 08:41 PM)
Did you buy from reseller in MY or shipped from Korea itself? It was still cheap for me as i got some other kf94s for $4 each (wiicare) so these were a steal.
*
it is the same seller on shopee and lazada, that korea pharmacy. it had store opening sale on lazada hence the discounted price, 1000 units of good manner mask being sold at rm1 that day. i bought some pieces but cancelled half of the orders thinking that better to get its ATEX kf94 which is scheduled to be on flash sale the next day but who knows no more free shipping the next day, regretted to cancel half of the orders too early.
mochicake
post Sep 5 2021, 08:58 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 5 2021, 08:51 PM)
it is the same seller on shopee and lazada, that korea pharmacy. it had store opening sale on lazada hence the discounted price, 1000 units of good manner mask being sold at rm1 that day. i bought some pieces but cancelled half of the orders thinking that better to get its ATEX kf94 which is scheduled to be on flash sale the next day but who knows no more free shipping the next day, regretted to cancel half of the orders too early.
*
Wow that’s a crazy good deal! So lucky everyone got at that price.
leetan33
post Sep 5 2021, 09:00 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
546 posts

Joined: Oct 2012
I have recently switched from Respack KF94 to 3M 9513 KN95 and Honeywell H910 Plus for extra protection. My verdict:

3M 9513 KN95 (Made in Singapore)
(IMG:https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/2021670F/xa010033885-3m-particulate-respirator-9513-kn95-white-1-ea-pack-20-packs-case.jpg)
This can be worn either via its earloop or fasten it via the headstrap. Although this is breathable and good to be worn for long hours, I noticed that it may pinch my ears a little bit if I wear it for long hours (more than 3 hours). Hence, I use it interchangeably with Honeywell N95 below.

Honeywell H910 Plus (Made in China)
(IMG:https://ansac-tech.com.sg/image/catalog/H910%20Plus%20series%20-%20N95%20Particulate%20Respirator%20_Edited_.png)(IMG:https://storage.googleapis.com/eezee-product-images/50pcs-honeywell-h910-plus-n95-mask-88rm_600.jpg)
The one I bought from Caring Pharmacy is made in China and priced slightly higher (RM195) than those you can find on Shopee or Lazada (as low as RM120). I ultimately decided to purchase it from Caring for fear of accidentally getting a counterfeit product online.

This is a headstrap mask and is US CDC-approved mask. I found it quite comfortable to be worn for long hours and it's highly breathable too.

This post has been edited by leetan33: Sep 5 2021, 09:08 PM
march173
post Sep 5 2021, 09:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
90 posts

Joined: Mar 2010


QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 5 2021, 07:46 PM)
it is still possible to get counterfeit kf94 shipped directly from korea, look at these:
https://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=9534
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5177018/
*
Deng. At least, good to know that korea government pretty strict about this. They fine the company.
nickxas
post Sep 5 2021, 11:27 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(leetan33 @ Sep 5 2021, 09:00 PM)
I have recently switched from Respack KF94 to 3M 9513 KN95 and Honeywell H910 Plus for extra protection. My verdict:

3M 9513 KN95 (Made in Singapore)
(IMG:https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/2021670F/xa010033885-3m-particulate-respirator-9513-kn95-white-1-ea-pack-20-packs-case.jpg)
This can be worn either via its earloop or fasten it via the headstrap. Although this is breathable and good to be worn for long hours, I noticed that it may pinch my ears a little bit if I wear it for long hours (more than 3 hours). Hence, I use it interchangeably with Honeywell N95 below.

Honeywell H910 Plus (Made in China)
(IMG:https://ansac-tech.com.sg/image/catalog/H910%20Plus%20series%20-%20N95%20Particulate%20Respirator%20_Edited_.png)(IMG:https://storage.googleapis.com/eezee-product-images/50pcs-honeywell-h910-plus-n95-mask-88rm_600.jpg)
The one I bought from Caring Pharmacy is made in China and priced slightly higher (RM195) than those you can find on Shopee or Lazada (as low as RM120). I ultimately decided to purchase it from Caring for fear of accidentally getting a counterfeit product online.

This is a headstrap mask and is US CDC-approved mask. I found it quite comfortable to be worn for long hours and it's highly breathable too.
*
for 3m 9513, if you are using the hook provided, you can try to pull upper part of the string through the hook so that the string over your ear loosen up a bit.
RA_2366
post Sep 6 2021, 01:05 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
25 posts

Joined: Feb 2016
Here is my personal opinion after trying out many different KF94 style mask. In summary, I think any legitimate mask made by a legitimate company will have decent filtering media (electrostatic charged meltblown) and will provide decent level of protection. I’m personally not too worried about the certification (KF94/FFP2/etc). The mask that I would avoid are those from an unknown manufacturer/illegitimate source. Having said that, mask would not provide good protection if the fit is poor. Hence, fit is the most important consideration when purchasing a mask, and it varies from person to person. The only way to know is to purchase a small quantity and find one that fits your face the best. Quality of the mask matters in achieving a good fit. For example, a mask with good quality nose wire will prevent any leakage in the nose area. Also, the quality and adjustability of the ear loop can help the user achieve a better seal. Purchasing an ear loop stopper / tying a small knot at the ear loop / using a hook instead of the ear loop can also help.

I’ve tried some of the mask that is available in Malaysia and below are my experience:

Mask available in local pharmacy

Respack - bought 1 box. I tried the first batch of Respack mask and they are okay. I have a small face and this mask fit me well. The nose wire is short and not stiff enough so I could not get a good seal. The ear loop also stretches easily but I fixed it by using a stopper to make the ear loop adjustable. However, I also bought 1 piece of the new batch from Respack. Although Respack improved the ear loop and quality of the mask overall, Respack changed the design of the mask and they no longer fit me.

Neutrovis - bought 1 piece to try. quality of the mask is better than Respack, but it’s too big for my face. Ear loop is soft and they have 2 layers of electrostatic charged meltblown. However, for the price, I would rather get something else.

Vircast - tried 1 piece. almost similar quality to Respack, but they are not individually packed

Mask available online

Doctor P&B KF94 - tried 1 piece. quality is decent, but still too big for my face

Masklab FFP2 - bought 1 box. great mask, fits my face really well. This mask only has 3 layers, but somehow manage to pass the FFP2 test (FFP2 is more difficult to pass compared to N95). One of the most breathable mask that I’ve tried. Nose wire is not bad. My only complaint is that it does not have adjustable ear loop, but can easily be fixed with a stopper. The mask also comes with some nice designs. Can be purchased from their Hong Kong website for about RM4 per mask

Bluna facefit - bought 1 box. also a great mask. This is the mask that fits me the best. It has adjustable ear loop. The adjustable ear loop allows me to “double ear loop” the mask which I think significantly improve the fit. The mask also keeps it’s shape very well (doesn’t collapse during inhale). Nose wire is also decent.

I ended up with the Bluna for myself (because it gives me the best seal) and the Masklab for my wife (because they are fashionable and breathable, so it’s the only protective mask that she would wear).
N9484640
post Sep 6 2021, 03:19 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 5 2021, 08:51 PM)
it is the same seller on shopee and lazada, that korea pharmacy. it had store opening sale on lazada hence the discounted price, 1000 units of good manner mask being sold at rm1 that day. i bought some pieces but cancelled half of the orders thinking that better to get its ATEX kf94 which is scheduled to be on flash sale the next day but who knows no more free shipping the next day, regretted to cancel half of the orders too early.
*
Flash sale got any limits?
Btw Atex is nice but pink color
mochicake
post Sep 6 2021, 07:44 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(leetan33 @ Sep 5 2021, 09:00 PM)
I have recently switched from Respack KF94 to 3M 9513 KN95 and Honeywell H910 Plus for extra protection. My verdict:

3M 9513 KN95 (Made in Singapore)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

This can be worn either via its earloop or fasten it via the headstrap. Although this is breathable and good to be worn for long hours, I noticed that it may pinch my ears a little bit if I wear it for long hours (more than 3 hours). Hence, I use it interchangeably with Honeywell N95 below.

Honeywell H910 Plus (Made in China)
(IMG:https://ansac-tech.com.sg/image/catalog/H910%20Plus%20series%20-%20N95%20Particulate%20Respirator%20_Edited_.png)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

The one I bought from Caring Pharmacy is made in China and priced slightly higher (RM195) than those you can find on Shopee or Lazada (as low as RM120). I ultimately decided to purchase it from Caring for fear of accidentally getting a counterfeit product online.

This is a headstrap mask and is US CDC-approved mask. I found it quite comfortable to be worn for long hours and it's highly breathable too.
*
9513s kinda expensive now hope they bring the price down. Now also seems they always put of stock. The in-built hook is great.

Honeywell looks interesting but i generally steer clear of kn95s since n95s plentiful. Good that Caring brings them in.
aspartame
post Sep 6 2021, 08:13 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,165 posts

Joined: Feb 2015
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 2 2021, 08:42 AM)
Why didn’t you buy from Neutrovis official? Then no doubt. Mine pink color also June manufactured date glossy. Most pink come from Neutrovis official Lazada and few from Watson’s (less than 5). Both packaging mine seem same.

Update - i open all box. The matte with Neutrovis visible on mask is new packaging, cause the blue is new color. Purchased from Lazada official store last week. All the pink is glossy. Black 1 box is the new packaging bought at same time with blue and pink.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
Why this type looks like cloth? Reliable? My KN95 is white and the material looks more normal. :)
nickxas
post Sep 6 2021, 09:45 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 6 2021, 03:19 AM)
Flash sale got any limits?
Btw Atex is nice but pink color
*
limited to 1 piece per order, but you can repeat the order, so same as no limit. however, not worth it anymore when it required shipping fee for each piece the next day.

mochicake
post Sep 6 2021, 09:48 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 6 2021, 09:45 AM)
limited to 1 piece per order, but you can repeat the order, so same as no limit. however, not worth it anymore when it required shipping fee for each piece the next day.
*
U click and make 1000 order?
nickxas
post Sep 6 2021, 10:02 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 6 2021, 09:48 AM)
U click and make 1000 order?
*
of course not, i m not scalper.
mochicake
post Sep 6 2021, 12:03 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 6 2021, 10:02 AM)
of course not, i m not scalper.
*
oh sorry i mis-read your earlier post :P it was the seller that had 1000 masks at RM1 each not that you bought 1k.
anakMY
post Sep 7 2021, 04:35 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM)
Got a few of these Good Manner kf94 shipped from Korea. Pharmacy from Korea in Shopee. Took 7 days total from order which is great. Fit hubby's huge face and nose very well. He actually want to wear it! The inside is very soft on the face. Exterior not very papery thin compared to wiicare. Good loops but no double loops to tighten. Cost is $2.30-2.60 depending on color. 

Attached Image
*
hi mochicake, hv u come accross this brand LG airwasher KF94? Do u think its up to the standard?
mochicake
post Sep 7 2021, 07:45 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(anakMY @ Sep 7 2021, 04:35 PM)
hi mochicake, hv u come accross this brand LG airwasher KF94? Do u think its up to the standard?
*
It performs well according to the youtuber who tests the masks with technical equipment and fits big heads. It's similar to Bluna he says. Unfortunately the LG airwasher is very expensive from my searches it's RM10 from LG local official store and RM6-7 from Korea. Be careful if you buy the LG as there is also a kf80 instead of a kf94 which is for lighter use like for haze. Have you tried the LG airwasher kf94?

My hunt for kf94 now is over as hubby is good with "Good Manner" brand and Bluna otw. Purchase so many kf94 masks this month to make him test out haha got to take a break.
anakMY
post Sep 7 2021, 07:58 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 7 2021, 07:45 PM)
It performs well according to the youtuber who tests the masks with technical equipment and fits big heads. It's similar to Bluna he says. Unfortunately the LG airwasher is very expensive from my searches it's RM10 from LG local official store and RM6-7 from Korea. Be careful if you buy the LG as there is also a kf80 instead of a kf94 which is for lighter use like for haze. Have you tried the LG airwasher kf94?

My hunt for kf94 now is over as hubby is good with "Good Manner" brand and Bluna otw. Purchase so many kf94 masks this month to make him test out haha got to take a break.
*
I hv to say again ur hubby is a very lucky man haha.

BTW, do good manner and Bluna KF94 have lab certification on the KF94 standard? How do we know whether they are up to par ?


nickxas
post Sep 8 2021, 11:26 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
16 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(anakMY @ Sep 7 2021, 07:58 PM)
I hv to say again ur hubby is a very lucky man haha.

BTW, do good manner and Bluna KF94 have lab certification on the KF94 standard? How do we know whether they are up to par ?
*
kf94 masks need to be approved by kfda

you can search kfda database here but need to use korean characters.

good manner
https://nedrug.mfds.go.kr/pbp/CCBCC01/getLi...4%88&grade=KF94

bluna
https://nedrug.mfds.go.kr/pbp/CCBCC01/getLi...2%98&grade=KF94


you can also check with fda if they are registered with fda

good manner
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh...684252&lpcd=FXX


or you can refer to 3rd party tests but please beware that 3rd party tests usually only test for filtration efficiency, not in full accordance with kf94 standard

good manner
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtrat...place-1.5974442

bluna
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M0m...G853Ff45d3O-L0/


the only thing is don't get the counterfeit item and this part is hard to be 100% sure
anakMY
post Sep 8 2021, 11:34 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,176 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(nickxas @ Sep 8 2021, 11:26 AM)
kf94 masks need to be approved by kfda

you can search kfda database here but need to use korean characters.

good manner
https://nedrug.mfds.go.kr/pbp/CCBCC01/getLi...4%88&grade=KF94

bluna
https://nedrug.mfds.go.kr/pbp/CCBCC01/getLi...2%98&grade=KF94
you can also check with fda if they are registered with fda

good manner
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh...684252&lpcd=FXX
or you can refer to 3rd party tests but please beware that 3rd party tests usually only test for filtration efficiency, not in full accordance with kf94 standard

good manner
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtrat...place-1.5974442

bluna
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M0m...G853Ff45d3O-L0/
the only thing is don't get the counterfeit item and this part is hard to be 100% sure
*
Thanks for the useful info.
KopiChia
post Sep 9 2021, 12:41 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

9.9 in Lazada ship directly frm Korea you can get 100x Good Manners facemask at <95

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSm84v.md.jpg)
N9484640
post Sep 9 2021, 12:08 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 9 2021, 12:41 AM)
9.9 in Lazada ship directly frm Korea you can get 100x Good Manners facemask at <95

*
thanks for the heads up bro :thumbs:
mushigen
post Sep 9 2021, 03:46 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 9 2021, 12:41 AM)
9.9 in Lazada ship directly frm Korea you can get 100x Good Manners facemask at <95

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSm84v.md.jpg)
*
Bro, can share the link?
KopiChia
post Sep 9 2021, 04:36 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(mushigen @ Sep 9 2021, 03:46 PM)
Bro, can share the link?
*
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.W3cAj

Seller got other Korean brand mask too cheaper.
mushigen
post Sep 9 2021, 06:09 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 9 2021, 04:36 PM)
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.W3cAj

Seller got other Korean brand mask too cheaper.
*
TQ for the link. I noticed other sellers are selling at twice the price (rm100+ for one box). And the reviews macam suspicious.
KopiChia
post Sep 9 2021, 06:13 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(mushigen @ Sep 9 2021, 06:09 PM)
TQ for the link. I noticed other sellers are selling at twice the price (rm100+ for one box). And the reviews macam suspicious.
*
Well facemask isn't really expensive in Korea. I already ordered will see when they ship if it comes frm Korea. This brand can easily buy frm KL/Selangor too.
xenith
post Sep 9 2021, 06:43 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
404 posts

Joined: Mar 2009
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 9 2021, 06:13 PM)
Well facemask isn't really expensive in Korea. I already ordered will see when they ship if it comes frm Korea. This brand can easily buy frm KL/Selangor too.
*
Which Korean website did you order ? Care to share the price and which forwarder you use ? Thanks
KopiChia
post Sep 9 2021, 06:46 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(xenith @ Sep 9 2021, 06:43 PM)
Which Korean website did you order ? Care to share the price and which forwarder you use ? Thanks
*
😅😅 Forwarders are not cheap. No i was taking about Lazada shops ships frm Korea.

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSSwjO.md.jpg)
xenith
post Sep 9 2021, 06:49 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
404 posts

Joined: Mar 2009
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 9 2021, 06:46 PM)
😅😅 Forwarders are not cheap. No i was taking about Lazada shops ships frm Korea.

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSSwjO.md.jpg)
*
Oh, ok ok thought you direct import from Korea...here all ppl sell Good Manner at RM 2++
N9484640
post Sep 9 2021, 08:34 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(mushigen @ Sep 9 2021, 06:09 PM)
TQ for the link. I noticed other sellers are selling at twice the price (rm100+ for one box). And the reviews macam suspicious.
*
couple of months back they were selling at RM129 for 100 pieces
then the price went up to Rm169
I wrote to them but they dont reply.

Today I ordered 100 pieces. Hopefully they send me the real thing lol
If worse comes to worse, I just return it. Lazada is good in that sense


mushigen
post Sep 9 2021, 08:38 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 9 2021, 08:34 PM)
couple of months back they were selling at RM129 for 100 pieces
then the price went up to Rm169
I wrote to them but they dont reply.

Today I ordered 100 pieces. Hopefully they send me the real thing lol
If worse comes to worse, I just return it. Lazada is good in that sense
*
Mask can return meh? I saw the return notice, it excludes this item.
N9484640
post Sep 9 2021, 08:42 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(mushigen @ Sep 9 2021, 08:38 PM)
Mask can return meh? I saw the return notice, it excludes this item.
*
if i didnt open, sure can return gua
each mask is foil pack. the box may be sealed too

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 9 2021, 08:42 PM
mushigen
post Sep 9 2021, 08:53 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
2,946 posts

Joined: Jul 2010



QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 9 2021, 08:42 PM)
if i didnt open, sure can return gua
each mask is foil pack. the box may be sealed too
*
Oh, I thought you wanted to inspect the mask (means breaking the seal).

Might still be a problem.

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSlGVP.md.jpg)
N9484640
post Sep 9 2021, 08:57 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(mushigen @ Sep 9 2021, 08:53 PM)
Oh, I thought you wanted to inspect the mask (means breaking the seal).

Might still be a problem.

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSlGVP.md.jpg)
*
I am not worried about the Good Manner masks (that is if they send me the real thing la)
I used it before. I can compare with some photos I took


Attached thumbnail(s)
Attached Image Attached Image
KopiChia
post Sep 9 2021, 09:03 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 9 2021, 08:57 PM)
I am not worried about the Good Manner masks (that is if they send me the real thing la)
I used it before. I can compare with some photos I took
*
Hmm let me know when you get if it's real or not I also ordered.

His store got valid reviews for his other Korean products. I no idea why the masks reviews are effy 😅😂

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSlVsl.md.jpg)
N9484640
post Sep 9 2021, 09:15 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 9 2021, 09:03 PM)
Hmm let me know when you get if it's real or not I also ordered.

His store got valid reviews for his other Korean products. I no idea why the masks reviews are effy 😅😂

https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/09/BSlVsl.md.jpg
*
I think should be okay. Maybe we scare ourself only haha :D
I was tempted to get another 100 pieces lol....

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 9 2021, 09:17 PM
elmolee
post Sep 9 2021, 10:07 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
126 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 9 2021, 08:57 PM)
I am not worried about the Good Manner masks (that is if they send me the real thing la)
I used it before. I can compare with some photos I took
*
that price is too good to be true 😅.
please update us. thanks
N9484640
post Sep 9 2021, 10:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(elmolee @ Sep 9 2021, 10:07 PM)
that price is too good to be true 😅.
please update us. thanks
*
By that time this offer also no more liao lor.
It says ends in two days but I see the clock ends at midnight
mochicake
post Sep 10 2021, 07:25 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
Yeah it's a good price but already stocked up on masks. Will wait for next batch. See how the reviews of this one show up. It's really cheap even compared to gmarket top seller for 100 pcs (2 box of 50s).
N9484640
post Sep 10 2021, 09:07 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
I bought these Prokeeper KF94 for Rm1.00 each last Flash Sale. I already received them and they are not too bad.
Actually they are all about the same. It looks a bit smaller than others but when I wear them, it fits good also.
Today they are on Flash Sale again but Rm1.08 each. You can only buy 5 pieces maximum at this price

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/prokeepe....17760.238030.0


btw price for Good Manner went back up to RM162.44

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 12 2021, 09:17 AM
mochicake
post Sep 12 2021, 01:37 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
Wore the 3M 9513 aka "advanced filtering mask" for extended period this weekend, it gets very sweaty inside the mask but the fit is good for a earloop mask. Equivalent to kn95? It doesn't fold the ears down or irritate them. Did not wear with the hook behind head, which i found out today is removable so got free mask extenders with each? Kinda pricey still for RM5. Can get cheaper with deals and discounts but they seem to be sold out often. Think can find single packs while out at pharmacies and grocery stores as well.
mochicake
post Sep 14 2021, 07:58 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
After further testing ....

The Airshell kf94 masks, the earloop tends to break very easily. The mask itself is large, wide vertically and extremely comfortable but unfortunately will not repurchase because the earloops can't handle gentle doff/don 2x. Purchased from official airshell - https://shopee.com.my/airshell.os

Neutrovis kf94 - won't buy once finished as can get cheaper direct from Korea kf94s. Purchased from official Neutrovis Lazada

Wiicare kf94 - decent but quality of material is a bit rougher on exterior and is smaller in size compared to other kf94s labelled as large. May repurchase. Purchased from local distributor Primocare on Shopee.

My favorite so far is Bluna kf94, soft inside and outside, can doff/don repeatedly and has extra loops for tightening. Problem is no official store and have to purchase from Korea seller so if get sus version then won't even know.

For hubby with big face best choice is still Good Manner kf94. He wearing it daily now so mission accomplished! Bluna kf94 is also wearable but at the limit of size. Purchase from Korea seller.

Anyway that's the summary of my mask buying experience with kf94s. Have found ones that work for our specific issues and managed to find ready supply thanks to this thread. Thank you to all that contributed! Signing out.
N9484640
post Sep 15 2021, 04:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
haha....until now the Good Manner masks haven't ship out. Maybe seller change his mind dy...Already 11 days since placed order.

Single mask sold by various sellers during 12th Sept Flash Sale already departed Korea

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 20 2021, 07:08 AM
N9484640
post Sep 20 2021, 07:08 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 9 2021, 04:36 PM)
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.W3cAj

Seller got other Korean brand mask too cheaper.
*
Have you received the mask yet? Mine is not even shipped yet
KopiChia
post Sep 20 2021, 09:16 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 20 2021, 07:08 AM)
Have you received the mask yet? Mine is not even shipped yet
*
Same thing was going to ask. Did you try contact seller any response?
mochicake
post Sep 20 2021, 09:21 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 20 2021, 07:08 AM)
Have you received the mask yet? Mine is not even shipped yet
*
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 20 2021, 09:16 AM)
Same thing was going to ask. Did you try contact seller any response?
*
I order same one few days ago, more exp than your deal but no ship also. It’s Korean Thanksgiving this week and shopee sellers told me they off for a week until 27th. Dunno why yours didn't ship earlier tho. At least we won’t lose money as is Lazada.
N9484640
post Sep 20 2021, 09:22 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 20 2021, 09:16 AM)
Same thing was going to ask. Did you try contact seller any response?
*
nope i didnt contact them. i think sure cancel liao - today summore start holiday in korea for the next 3 days
i saw them selling at 139 at the last flash sale

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 20 2021, 09:22 AM
N9484640
post Sep 20 2021, 09:27 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 20 2021, 09:21 AM)
I order same one few days ago, more exp than your deal but no ship also. It’s Korean Thanksgiving this week and shopee sellers told me they off for a week until 27th. Dunno why yours didn't ship earlier tho. At least we won’t lose money as is Lazada.
*
RM130 something right? during the last flash sale
i ordered a few masks from Korea Pharmacy on the 12th already arriving today

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 20 2021, 09:28 AM
kira_88
post Sep 20 2021, 09:34 AM

Hello, is it me you're looking for?
*****
Senior Member
972 posts

Joined: Oct 2009
From: KBR-BKI


QUOTE(Ansonlow @ Aug 27 2021, 11:02 PM)
U can get this at watson…..for sure its real. Big pharmacy chair such as Watson wont sell fake product for sure as If 1 item of fake item caught in Watson, the whole stores in Malaysia gonna be in trouble
*
lol sure or not.

recently 1 big chain pharmacy got cought selling fake medication by a pharma company because the price is obviously cheaper then taking it thru official means

inside news from an insider
mochicake
post Sep 20 2021, 01:00 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 20 2021, 09:27 AM)
RM130 something right? during the last flash sale
i ordered a few masks from Korea Pharmacy on the 12th already arriving today
*
Yes I end up order despite a bit more expensive. Since i saw Korea Pharmacy keep increasing their price to RM3.50+ then their Shopee store is frozen/banned. When ask through chat they say they are trying to sort it out. Tried Gmarket but they auto decline foreign cards and it is a PITA to get it approved for the first time, don't wanna bother buying from Gmarket since they make it so troublesome. I also got the 5 packs x 10 from some other korea seller. Kinda afraid of price hike so wanna stock up for 6 months for whole household at least.

My order now say packed and ready to ship, before had no status. Maybe both yours should move soon.
andrekua2
post Sep 20 2021, 01:20 PM

10k Club
********
All Stars
10,441 posts

Joined: Jan 2012


QUOTE(kira_88 @ Sep 20 2021, 09:34 AM)
lol sure or not.

recently 1 big chain pharmacy got cought selling fake medication by a pharma company because the price is obviously cheaper then taking it thru official means

inside news from an insider
*
Fake or grey import? Dont play play... big chain dare to sell fake medicine? Grey import big difference since could be original but without KKM licence.
kira_88
post Sep 20 2021, 01:55 PM

Hello, is it me you're looking for?
*****
Senior Member
972 posts

Joined: Oct 2009
From: KBR-BKI


QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 20 2021, 01:20 PM)
Fake or grey import? Dont play play... big chain dare to sell fake medicine? Grey import big difference since could be original but without KKM licence.
*
They bought assuming it was grey import but was analysed and identified in a lab as a fake. They did a recall but make it looks like that the pharma company is at fault.

One issue is buying from grey import is actually illegal as it does not goes thru KKM as all prescription drugs need to go thru KKM, NPRA. Another issue is how sure are you that the one you're buying is actually an original?

Now they have two guy coming for their ass one is of course the pharma company and 2nd is the Law enforcer as since its a grey import for sure the sticker is a fake as it does not go thru KKM.




This post has been edited by kira_88: Sep 20 2021, 02:00 PM
xenith
post Sep 23 2021, 06:11 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
404 posts

Joined: Mar 2009
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 20 2021, 07:08 AM)
Have you received the mask yet? Mine is not even shipped yet
*
Me too. Chat with seller said now it's long holiday. So delay shipment
N9484640
post Sep 23 2021, 06:13 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(xenith @ Sep 23 2021, 06:11 AM)
Me too. Chat with seller said now it's long holiday. So delay shipment
*
Oh when did you chat with them? Cause I ordered on the 9th - way way before this long holiday. Today is exactly two weeks after placing my order. Their holiday only 3 days from 20-22

I also ordered some stuff from Korea on the 12th and it arrived 4 days ago on the 20th

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 23 2021, 06:26 AM
xenith
post Sep 23 2021, 06:15 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
404 posts

Joined: Mar 2009
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 23 2021, 06:13 AM)
Oh when did you chat with them? Cause I ordered on the 9th - way way before this long holiday
*
1 or 2 days ago. I told don't cancel on me last minute. They responded as below.

Hi dear, we are very sorry for the delay in this delivery, because yesterday our orders were very booming and today our warehouse in Korea is also still a national holiday. so many shipments are delayed. But don't worry, your order is already in process :)

once again we want to apologize and please wait, dear :)


This post has been edited by xenith: Sep 23 2021, 06:17 AM
N9484640
post Sep 23 2021, 06:17 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(xenith @ Sep 23 2021, 06:15 AM)
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 23 2021, 06:13 AM)

Oh when did you chat with them? Cause I ordered on the 9th - way way before this long holiday
*
1 or 2 days ago. I told don't cancel on me last minute
*
Lazada sure auto cancel but we can always hope

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 23 2021, 06:22 AM
N9484640
post Sep 24 2021, 09:29 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
KopiChiaxenithmochicake
11th Street finally shipped my masks !!!

This post has been edited by N9484640: Sep 24 2021, 09:30 AM
KopiChia
post Sep 24 2021, 09:32 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 24 2021, 09:29 AM)
KopiChiaxenithmochicake
11th Street finally shipped my masks !!!
*
Yea lazada this morning noticed me too.
callmecool
post Sep 24 2021, 09:41 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
80 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
To be safe, I only get from 3M official store. Even other stores selling 3M ones at cheaper price, I'll be afraid it's fake.
orangtua
post Sep 24 2021, 10:26 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
89 posts

Joined: Jul 2006
QUOTE(orangtua @ Sep 24 2021, 08:58 AM)

*
shameless plug
sundancekid
post Sep 24 2021, 11:28 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
16 posts

Joined: Feb 2021


QUOTE(westernkl @ Aug 27 2021, 10:54 PM)
I got this too but not sure if its good enough as not approved by the KFDA or KKM. I will stick to Respack KF94
Gargamel_gibson
post Sep 24 2021, 01:52 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
57 posts

Joined: Feb 2021
QUOTE(callmecool @ Sep 24 2021, 09:41 AM)
To be safe, I only get from 3M official store. Even other stores selling 3M ones at cheaper price, I'll be afraid it's fake.
*
3m good fit but super tight earloops because need to fit tightly. Cannot wear for long time.
xenith
post Sep 24 2021, 03:33 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
404 posts

Joined: Mar 2009
QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 24 2021, 09:29 AM)
KopiChiaxenithmochicake
11th Street finally shipped my masks !!!
*
Thanks you for inform 😁😁😁
Thought already want to lose hope already. Haha
TSwesternkl
post Sep 25 2021, 01:41 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
419 posts

Joined: Aug 2010


QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 24 2021, 09:29 AM)
KopiChiaxenithmochicake
11th Street finally shipped my masks !!!
*
11th Street still exist??
N9484640
post Sep 25 2021, 05:46 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
QUOTE(westernkl @ Sep 25 2021, 01:41 AM)
11th Street still exist??
*
https://global.11st.co.kr/html/en/main_en.html?trlang=en
KopiChia
post Sep 25 2021, 09:17 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(xenith @ Sep 24 2021, 03:33 PM)
Thanks you for inform 😁😁😁
Thought already want to lose hope already. Haha
*
Yea it's coming after weeks of delay I guess we will get in a week hopefully.

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/25/BzujJq.md.jpg)
HelmiRashid P
post Sep 25 2021, 10:40 AM

New Member
*
Probation
7 posts

Joined: Sep 2021
Im using Golden KF94. So far so good
mochicake
post Sep 25 2021, 01:47 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 25 2021, 09:17 AM)
Yea it's coming after weeks of delay I guess we will get in a week hopefully.

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/25/BzujJq.md.jpg)
*
That's good news. Wonder why so long delay.
leetan33
post Sep 26 2021, 12:09 AM

On my way
****
Junior Member
546 posts

Joined: Oct 2012
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mask-filtrat...place-1.5974442

(IMG:https://i.cbc.ca/1.5974592.1617395509!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/respirators-that-passed.jpg)

This post has been edited by leetan33: Sep 26 2021, 12:15 AM
KopiChia
post Sep 26 2021, 09:58 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019


QUOTE(westernkl @ Sep 25 2021, 01:41 AM)
11th Street still exist??
*
That 11street changed name to Prestomall (spelling)


QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 24 2021, 09:29 AM)
KopiChiaxenithmochicake
11th Street finally shipped my masks !!!
*
It reached malaysia. So by next week we should be able to receive it.

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/26/BzvcSg.md.jpg)
N9484640
post Sep 28 2021, 12:18 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
362 posts

Joined: Aug 2014
Received already but not individually packed. It's 5 pieces in one bag instead. Ok lah still can accept
Thanks to KopiChia for sharing 👍🏻🙏🏻😊
KopiChia
post Sep 28 2021, 12:19 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 28 2021, 12:18 PM)
Received already but not individually packed. It's 5 pieces in one bag instead. Ok lah still can accept
Thanks to KopiChia for sharing 👍🏻🙏🏻😊
*
Wait I thought this place is individually packed maybe need ask the other people who recommend this brand.

mochicake was the one you bought individually packed or 5 a bag?

This post has been edited by KopiChia: Sep 28 2021, 12:23 PM
aspartame
post Sep 28 2021, 12:48 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,165 posts

Joined: Feb 2015
QUOTE(leetan33 @ Sep 26 2021, 12:09 AM)
Anybody finds the Good Manner KF94 a bit too loose?
KopiChia
post Sep 28 2021, 03:04 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(N9484640 @ Sep 28 2021, 12:18 PM)
Received already but not individually packed. It's 5 pieces in one bag instead. Ok lah still can accept
Thanks to KopiChia for sharing 👍🏻🙏🏻😊
*
Received my just now
(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/28/Bzszfr.jpg)
Address seems to be Korea. Forgive the discolouration I sprayed hand sanitizer on it 😅

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/28/Bzs19O.md.jpg)
5 mask per pack

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/28/BzsGmY.jpg)
Compare size good manner with neo medical "Samsung". Top is Good Manner. Length seems the same. When wearing felt smaller than neo medical maybe because neo slightly bigger vertically easier cover my nose. Overall seems ok.

This post has been edited by KopiChia: Sep 28 2021, 03:06 PM
mochicake
post Sep 28 2021, 03:10 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 28 2021, 12:19 PM)
Wait I thought this place is individually packed maybe need ask the other people who recommend this brand.

mochicake was the one you bought individually packed or 5 a bag?
*
If 11street seller on Lazada it is meant to be individual packs in box of 50s. Like the individual packs we buy from "korea pharmacy" seller. The two reviews show it in 2 box of 50s. Usually the 5 pack is cheaper than the individually packed ones by quite a bit.

The one i buy in 5 packs, which goodmanner does have on their website, is from beautyboxkorea and another shopee seller that i tried. Waiting for beautybox ones to arrive as that one is 100% legit to compare to the other seller. I compare the 5-pack black to invidual black (korea pharmacy) and the texture of material is a smidge different and the color a bit duller if side by side. Though the size is right and exterior packaging same.


KopiChia
post Sep 28 2021, 03:15 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 28 2021, 03:10 PM)
If 11street seller on Lazada it is meant to be individual packs in box of 50s. Like the individual packs we buy from "korea pharmacy" seller. The two reviews show it in 2 box of 50s. Usually the 5 pack is cheaper than the individually packed ones by quite a bit.

The one i buy in 5 packs, which goodmanner does have on their website, is from beautyboxkorea and another shopee seller that i tried. Waiting for beautybox ones to arrive as that one is 100% legit to compare to the other seller. I compare the 5-pack black to invidual black (korea pharmacy) and the texture of material is a smidge different and the color a bit duller if side by side. Though the size is right and exterior packaging same.
*
They came in 5 in a pack. It doesn't come with good manner box it came in cardboard with 20 packs. The cloth isn't as nice "soft" feel as neo medical individual pack ones I think. I guess maybe that's why they are cheaper.

This post has been edited by KopiChia: Sep 28 2021, 03:17 PM
mochicake
post Sep 28 2021, 03:15 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(aspartame @ Sep 28 2021, 12:48 PM)
Anybody finds the Good Manner KF94 a bit too loose?
*
Fits me well with smaller face and my hubby with big face that can't fit much masks. I prefer Bluna though as can tighten but is more expensive n hard to find. For me Neutrovis is loose esp below chin.
atrashcan
post Sep 28 2021, 03:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
95 posts

Joined: Oct 2020
Where did you guys buy your kf94 good manners? Shopee cheapest was 87 for 50pcs.

I found the good manners website but so expensive 100usd for 100pcs
aspartame
post Sep 28 2021, 03:20 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
3,165 posts

Joined: Feb 2015
QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 28 2021, 03:15 PM)
Fits me well with smaller face and my hubby with big face that can't fit much masks. I prefer Bluna though as can tighten but is more expensive n hard to find. For me Neutrovis is loose esp below chin.
*
I looked at Bluna but never say can tighten? Why u prefer Bluna over Good Manner? Bluna cheaper ?
mochicake
post Sep 28 2021, 03:31 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 28 2021, 03:15 PM)
They came in 5 in a pack. The cloth isn't as nice "soft" feel as neo medical individual pack ones I think. I guess maybe that's why they are cheaper.
*
Yeah the cloth is different when compare the 5-pack from random Korea seller to the individual pack of GM. It was RM90 in 5 packs (50 pcs total). The seller claim it is a new manufacturing process. It's not bad quality as the earloops, interior all feel similar and not cheap. The stitching and markings plus the size if put back to back are same. The pattern on the fabric is similar as well.

I'm waiting for beautyboxkorea as they are 100% legit. They delay shipping cause of Korean thanksgiving. It did cost more, RM205 for 5-packs (100pcs total) and RM285 for individual (100 pcs) but still cheaper than buying 1-by-1 from KPharm seller.

For GM it will cost more if it is black color and if it is individual packaging.

This post has been edited by mochicake: Sep 28 2021, 09:17 PM
KopiChia
post Sep 28 2021, 03:33 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 28 2021, 03:15 PM)
Fits me well with smaller face and my hubby with big face that can't fit much masks. I prefer Bluna though as can tighten but is more expensive n hard to find. For me Neutrovis is loose esp below chin.
*
Did you try Neo Medical Size L for your hubby? My dad felt comfortable using them.

This post has been edited by KopiChia: Sep 28 2021, 03:34 PM
KopiChia
post Sep 28 2021, 03:39 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(atrashcan @ Sep 28 2021, 03:18 PM)
Where did you guys buy your kf94 good manners? Shopee cheapest was 87 for 50pcs.

I found the good manners website but so expensive 100usd for 100pcs
*
(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/28/BzsjVu.md.jpg)

Lazada during 9.9 sale but its not individually pack. Its 5 in 1 package. Ships frm Korea but order 9.9 they only just arrived.

This post has been edited by KopiChia: Sep 28 2021, 03:40 PM
mochicake
post Sep 28 2021, 03:46 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
215 posts

Joined: Jun 2015
QUOTE(aspartame @ Sep 28 2021, 03:20 PM)
I looked at Bluna but never say can tighten? Why u prefer Bluna over Good Manner? Bluna cheaper ?
*
Bluna more expensive RM3-5 each.

At the cheeks it has an extra loop that tightens it around your mouth and chin for better fit. Or you can pull all the way behind the ears to have an even better seal, but i never do as it can be uncomfy after a short while. It's good option if you have to be in an enclosed area or something like that for a short while?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I prefer it over GM as it fits my smaller face better, so i can save the GM black for hubby. But i did buy the white GMs for myself from the Lazada seller that @KopiChia recommended as it was so cheap. I have replaced 3m n95s with Blunas and wore them out comfortably, with no anxiety. If not i would only be comfortable to use a 3M n95 with double headband.

QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 28 2021, 03:33 PM)
Did you try Neo Medical Size L for your hubby? My dad felt comfortable using them.
*
Not yet but will order a few today to try out. Thanks! My hubby already think I crazy for having so many masks near the door ... he dunno that storage box inside got more haha

QUOTE(atrashcan @ Sep 28 2021, 03:18 PM)
Where did you guys buy your kf94 good manners? Shopee cheapest was 87 for 50pcs.

I found the good manners website but so expensive 100usd for 100pcs
*
Korea Pharmacy shopee or lazada, beautyboxkorea or random shopee seller that ship from Korea if you want to try. Average is about RM2.20 but the Lazada deal @KopiChia found was RM0.90-1.30. As long as item ship from within Korea should be safe. kf94s are cheap and plentiful there so even if they hike up price a bit to make profit they can make money selling to overseas buyer.

Anyone know if Korea Pharmacy shopee store still marked as frozen/banned? Any idea why?
atrashcan
post Sep 28 2021, 03:51 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
95 posts

Joined: Oct 2020
QUOTE(KopiChia @ Sep 28 2021, 03:39 PM)
(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/28/BzsjVu.md.jpg)

Lazada during 9.9 sale but its not individually pack. Its 5 in 1 package. Ships frm Korea but order 9.9 they only just arrived.
*
Wah so long...damn...I ran out of masks...only left 2 🤣 abit desperate....what shall I do? 🤣
KopiChia
post Sep 28 2021, 03:52 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,337 posts

Joined: Jan 2019

QUOTE(mochicake @ Sep 28 2021, 03:46 PM)
Not yet but will order a few today to try out. Thanks! My hubby already think I crazy for having so many masks near the door ... he dunno that storage box inside got more haha

*
Don't buy too much la later wanna give away also tak laku. I tried give away my 3py nobody wants lol

(IMG:https://pictr.com/images/2021/09/28/Bzs3qr.md.jpg)
I bought my neo medical frm this guy in lazada doesn't ship frm overseas but for that 20pcs he gave me 50pcs box as packaging so I think it's original. Individually pack.



This post has been edited by KopiChia: Sep 28 2021, 03:54 PM