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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine about Jeremy Carl’s book T he Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart:

Jeremy Carl is a pretty normal guy, a former official in the Interior Department in the Trump administration now with the Claremont Institute. He has five kids, which seems to drive, not unreasonably, his thinking. His dedication reads:

For my children: may they be treated equally as they pursue their dreams.

Presumably, this is a reference to Martin Luther King’s famous statement:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I’ve long argued that fostering anti-white hate is the inevitable result of the grand strategy of the Democratic Party to exploit the growth of diversity in the electorate by concocting a Coalition of the Fringes of American society. As immigration and social decay (e.g., transgenderism) make America more fragmented, the Democrats prosper (for example, they have won the popular vote in seven of the past eight presidential elections).

But what can keep the Democrats’ assemblage of Jews and Muslims, black church ladies and LGBTs from turning on each other in a circular firing squad? So far, all the Democrats and their allies in the media have been able to come up with to unite their Coalition of the Margins is encouraging their constituents to hate Core Americans: men, the married, homeowners, and, most of all, whites.

Carl offers fifteen chapters on how these days it’s not okay to be white. He writes:

Because we live in a political climate that is hostile to white people, the notion that it could be okay to be white—that whiteness is not something worthy of being condemned—is viewed by many elites as a hostile statement.

On the other hand, DEI seems to be fading in 2024. For example, I was not permitted to do a single public appearance for more than a decade, from early 2013 to mid-2023, because hotels where I was booked to be hosted kept canceling reservations due to Antifa threats of violence.

In contrast, I made one appearance in 2023 and, due to the current vibe shift, eight so far in 2024. Lately, I’ve been on the road promoting my anthology Noticing, showing up in Los Angeles, Austin, Miami, West Virginia, and New York. Last week’s two appearances were in an old-money Robber Baron formal city club in Manhattan’s Upper East Side and in a basement dive bar in the Lower East Side, where I spoke to a standing-room-only crowd so enthusiastic that it left me feeling like I was opening for Talking Heads and the Ramones in 1977. These shows were so successful that the publishers are now talking about trips to San Francisco and Washington, D.C., in the fall.

I could imagine them paying for my going to, say, Chicago, Boston, and Seattle as well if anybody there is interested in organizing shows. What about other places? If you want me to speak at your organization elsewhere, let me know. It wouldn’t be free, but it wouldn’t be relatively expensive, either.

Why are elites so hostile toward whites lately?

Carl’s final chapter, “The End Game: Reparations and Expropriations,” theorizes that the purpose of DEI is

to create an intellectual and cultural environment to justify the expropriation of land, property, and other wealth from whites while instituting a permanent regime of anti-white employment and legal discrimination.

 
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  1. Why are elites so hostile toward whites lately

    Lately!?

    Actually, a form of anti-Whitism probably goes back to at least the White Man’s Burden, the supposed obligation of White people to suffer in order to civilize others. Similarly, the Christian Missionary routine had the same odor.

    Watch out for these White guys who claim the moral authority to send Whites to their death in order to make little Haji’s life better.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, TWS
    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @CalCooledge
    , @mc23
  2. To be fair, you can destroy a group of people quite peacefully, if they’re from a high-trust culture.

    https://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/167570061

    As a mother of two daughters in their thirties, if I were from a previous generation I would (health permitting) almost certainly have grandchildren by now, or expect to before too long. My daughters will not have children because of the state of the planet, and the suffering they feel awaits future generations as a consequence.

    Many other families I know are in the same position. We can experience first hand and see and feel and hear about the frightening lethal changes the climate change is causing in the world, yet politicians carry on as if there is no climate crisis. It’s not a joke. It’s a disaster.

    I am in a similar position and am relieved that my children have taken the decision they have, sad though it is.

    (Another reply, presumably negative, was moderated.

  3. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    OT (sort of):

    The $61 billion— mostly for Ukraine— was for long term spending for Ukraine. For U.S. MIC projects, Ukraine’s government salaries, pensions, infrastructure, etc.

    But it’s the weekend and Zelensky and Ukrainian generals need some walking around money.

    US unveils $400 million defense aid package for Ukraine

    Martin Fornusek, The Kyiv Independent news desk
    Fri, May 10, 2024

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-announces-400-million-defense-161924748.html

    But Sailer fully backs this NATO (((war))) against Russia so he should be all good with it.

    We just need more immigration to make up for all the spending!

    Immigration Will Boost the US Economy by $7 Trillion Through 2034: CBO

    The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade, according to estimates from the CBO

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-prediction-immigration-population-growth-housing-market-gdp-cbo-2024-2?op=1

    Damn, we’re gonna be the richest third-world country ever!

    • LOL: BB753
    • Troll: guest007
  4. Jewish supremacism is the driving force behind anti-White racism.

    The hyper-ethnocentric Jewish billionaire class insulates insulates itself from criticism by scapegoating middle class White Christian men.

    • Agree: JimDandy, J.Ross
    • Replies: @TWS
  5. Had my DEI training this week and noticed it’s now being called DE&I or DEIB(They add Belonging). Typical Leftist thinking that if people are tired of DEI nonsense just change the name.

  6. Already your baseless algorithm has blocked me from commenting.

    In the future you’ll have a lot of positive feedback 97% agreeing with you, the other 13% hoping for engagement which you’ll give the AI

    100% of White People hate street shitters and coons.

    We can’t believe you’re imposing them on us on account of our steadfast Fidelity.

    I have no affinity with mainstream Australia.

    Mainstream Oz seems diatmetrically opposed to me and my kids and theirs

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @BB753
  7. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Why not come to Australia? If you’re lucky, the Aus government will ban you from entering (they have banned others like Lauren Southern) and you’ll get a huge boost to your profile for being banned.

  8. “A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you.”

  9. Arclight says:

    That conclusion has been obvious for quite awhile – I can remember during the run up to the 2008 election hearing earnest whites express the thought that electing our first black president would have a healing effect on the country whereas I was convinced it would just unleash open accusatory politics against whites.

    What give me some hope that this will run out of steam and be rolled back is that the anti-white energy is largely a product of activist lefty whites and blacks. Obviously the architects of all this assumed ‘brown’ people like Hispanics and perhaps Indians would embrace their status as colored and develop the same sense of resentment, but overall that really hasn’t happened. SE Asians might be more sympathetic to collectivist politics but the Dems war on excellence in public schools seems to have turned them off and so has crime to a lesser extent.

    So yes, there is something of a shift in the general culture in our favor, but what we really need is a messenger(s) who is able to start saying the obvious openly and in a way that normal people can adopt the same argument without too much fear of social sanction. It wouldn’t solve all of our problems, but it would certainly provide space for more honest discussion of things like education, crime, and social welfare.

  10. Mark G. says:

    Don’t forget about the rapidly expanding Asian population. A Pew Poll last year found 62% of Asians identify as Democrats or lean Democrat, with only 34% on the Republican side. Asian groups most likely to be Democrats or lean Democrat are Indians at 68% and Koreans at 67%.

    With their high IQ levels and desire for climbing the educational ladder in a society increasingly based on credentialism, Asians and Jews are in direct competition for slots in elite colleges and the jobs that result from attending these institutions. This leads to hostility between these two groups. This is just another fissure in the Democrat coalition.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @guest007
    , @Colin Wright
  11. Mike Tre says:

    “Presumably, this is a reference to Martin Luther King’s famous statement:

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

    The author wonders why whites are hated then quotes a negro who hated white people.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  12. My beautiful #2 daughter, expecting this month. I can’t ‘wait to meet her boy, I think he’ll be a hero for our cause, he’ll never fight for the corporation of Australia , at all times he’ll remain allegiance to us all, he’ll stand true to our flag and not get involved with turning Fiji into transgender idyllic pederast getaway, and never will he stand for govt manboy manipulators of our medicare systems.

    Alot of people turn out at to abuse us for reliving our mind, and experience , they’ve never experienced a raging maniac jealous rampaging beast first hand, they have no idea.

    The only thing that save save us is arming ourselves, except

    • Troll: guest007
  13. guest007 says:
    @Mark G.

    The Desi (a person of Indian, Pakistani, or Bangladeshi birth or descent who lives abroad) are the shock troops of the left. Look at the protests at universities and the Desi are the leaders.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  14. As immigration and social decay (e.g., transgenderism) make America more fragmented, the Democrats prosper (for example, they have won the popular vote in seven of the past eight presidential elections).

    From an old Joe Sobran column:

    A Coriolanus in Our Future?

    A little tired of politics? Of course you are. We all are. Well, I have a treat for you: Shakespeare’s least-known great play, Coriolanus, the story of a brave and honest (though not always amiable) man who hates politics with all his heart. It’s a tragedy fraught with magnetic eloquence and unexpected lessons for own time. . . .

    Despite his heroism, Coriolanus hates and despises the common people so bitterly that when he agrees, reluctantly, to seek the consulship, Rome’s highest office, he refuses to show the voters his wounds — he even hates being praised himself — and he insults them: he can’t bear to seek their favor. It’s too humiliating. He says he deserves to be consul, whether they like it or not, and especially if they don’t. “Who deserves greatness Deserves your hate.”

    He calls them “scabs,” “curs,” “rats,” “measles,” “fragments,” “the rabble,” “barbarians,” “Hydra,” “slaves,” “the beast with many heads,” and “the mutable, rank-scented many”; with sour wit, he allows that they display “most valor” only in “their mutinies and revolts,” but on the whole he is not a people person. . . .

    Imagine a presidential hopeful buying TV time to look us in the eye and say, “Listen up, you faggots.” Such a man could bring this country together. He’d be assured of plenty of media buzz. He might be harder to ignore than, say, Louis Farrakhan.

    http://www.sobran.com/columns/2007/070308.shtml

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Muggles
    , @David
  15. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:

    I was reading a subreddit on black people who were moving to my city. Originally I had googled black crime statistics in my city, but due to the google algorithms it spit out all pro-black news and websites so I decided to click on the forum to see what they were saying.

    Most the comments boiled down to a single theme: the city is very (too) White and you’ll occasionally feel out of place or get a side-eye look, but overall it’s a nice place to live even though it’s not a particularly “good” city for blacks. None of the black posters go on to actually say what constitutes a “good” black city, but maybe they were trying to stay on topic.

    I also recently read a subreddit of Whites moving to a very black city, Memphis, and the contrasting themes were starkly different. Essentially the White’s on that forum were moving there for jobs, specifically medical residency. The comments boiled down to one thing: physical safety. The entire discussion revolved around how to stay safe in the majority black city, where to shop, any remotely safe areas to enjoy night life, and where to get an apartment.

    The two forums offer pretty good insight into the problems facing our country when it comes to race. Black people moving to a White area worry about how they’ll be perceived, while Whites moving to a majority black area worry they’ll be killed. Somehow blacks are unable to correlate the two key differences and realize the reason Whites may be wary to their presence is because of the widespread violent nature of black people.

    -Rooster

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @guest007
    , @Harry Baldwin
  16. My hypothesis as to the seeming reversal of some anti-white racism trends: the, uh, “powers-that-be” realize that wokeness and anti white racism has resulted in fewer rural and working-class white men – the demographic that has traditionally been the backbone of the US military – signing up for service. Witness that shortly after October 7 there was a US Army commercial that consisted almost entirely of white men, which would have been unheard of in recent memory. The only silver lining is that the aforementioned PTB might allow Trump to win, as they realize that white men are less likely to fight and die for Biden.

  17. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:

    Why are elites so hostile toward whites lately?

    Haven’t Jews always been hostile to Whites?

    How can Jews survive as a distinct group if they are not hostile to Whites? This basic logic of separateness has been one of the driving forces of policies and events for the past 150 years.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    , @TWS
  18. Polymath says:

    “For example, I was not permitted to do a single public appearance for more than a decade, from early 2013 to mid-2023, because hotels where I was booked to be hosted kept canceling reservations due to Antifa threats of violence.”

    Why can’t you hire a detective or a lawyer to interview those hotel owners and find out the identity of the people behind all these threats, so you can sue them?

    • LOL: Muggles
    • Replies: @Curle
  19. Farenheit says:

    Have we learned nothing from the lessons of Rhodesia and South Africa?

    Elon Musk sure has.

  20. slumber_j says:
    @Arclight

    So yes, there is something of a shift in the general culture in our favor, but what we really need is a messenger(s) who is able to start saying the obvious openly and in a way that normal people can adopt the same argument without too much fear of social sanction.

    Not to get too kiss-ass, but in a sane society wouldn’t Steve Sailer be precisely that messenger? I mean, it’s hard to imagine a smarter, more entertaining, more innocuous-presenting person to express what needs to be expressed.

    To be clear, I don’t mean to be contentious here. Sincere question: what sort of solution do you envision? Is Tom Hanks supposed to start talking about this stuff?

    • Replies: @Arclight
    , @SFG
  21. The underlying issue remains the power wielded by the Anti-Gentiles.
    Whitney sums up their utter depravity and the destruction they wreak on the West.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/genocide-joe-suffers-another-mortifying-slap-down-at-the-united-nations/

  22. Not Raul says:

    You ought to try speaking somewhere in the eastern part of Contra Costa County, like Danville.

    Maybe also try Livermore. You might get a few physicists.

    Further northeast, maybe some area around Roseville.

  23. Art Deco says:

    For example, I was not permitted to do a single public appearance for more than a decade, from early 2013 to mid-2023, because hotels where I was booked to be hosted kept canceling reservations due to Antifa threats of violence.
    ==
    Which tells you that hotel management is an occupation over-run with craven twerps.

  24. Why are elites so hostile toward whites lately?
    ————————————-
    Because the only acceptable explanation for black failure has been white malice for so long, they really begin to believe this stuff. Saying that people are different because we are not all descended from the same cultures and not all cultures sexually select for the same traits seems like common sense but would not be accepted in elite circles.

    The right needs to begin a legal political project where we insist that we define the scope and significance of anti-discrimination laws and how they are applied. Civil rights are not new. The court ruled that they didn’t have the right to protect blacks from private discrimination because of property rights(1883 civil rights cases) but the court noted that property rights were not absolute, something I agree with. Then later the court said that because of the commerce clause that it did have the right to protect blacks from private discrimination. I would argue that neither private property rights nor the governments power to protect blacks from discrimination should be absolute. Thomas Jefferson said all men are created equal, he did not say therefore add 200 points to the black applicants SAT test, nor did he say that women did not have to pass a physical fitness test to become a firefighter.

    • Agree: Renard
  25. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    it didn’t take your colleague David Cole long to start whining about unz again.

    • Replies: @Wj
  26. guest007 says:
    @Anon

    A corollary of this is the issues that it creates for institutions that cannot move such as ST Judes in Memphis or Johns Hopkins in Baltimore or Washington University in ST Louis. How does a world known institution attract and keep top talent when the city that the institution is in has a very high crime rate, all of the low level jobs will be filled by blacks, and there will be open hostility between the professional staff and the support staff.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Hibernian
  27. Barnard says:
    @Arclight

    Lots of insanity has taken hold in the black community. A majority of them really believe they “built” the country and it was “stolen” from them. Many of them believe essentially all of Western Civ was built on ideas stolen from them. The most recent one I have seen was that they taught Europeans how to bathe. It may be possible to convince everyone else of reality, but not them.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Dmon
  28. SFG says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Or little Uri’s.

    Either way, hard pass.

  29. @YetAnotherAnon

    It seems to me that even if climate change is real, it would be one of the more manageable crises we face. But thanks to the constant hysterical propaganda, people are allowing it to determine their life choices. It puts me in mind of Dylan’s lines in “Masters of War”:

    You’ve thrown the worst fear
    That can ever be hurled
    Fear to bring children
    Into the world

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @onetwothree
  30. anon[905] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    To be fair, you can destroy a group of people quite peacefully, if they’re from a high-trust culture.

    A number of German women were led to not have children (by jewish anti-German and anti-White propaganda, basically), for concern they could give birth to a monster.

  31. @Harry Baldwin

    I remember suggesting on some forum that a simple improvement in “climate change” would be to limit immigration. If high-birth rate countries cannot ship out their people to low-birth rate countries, they never approach the Malthusian limit (which does exist–I used as an example to show how unracist I am, that the ~100 million Irish people in the world would not exist had the Irish stayed on their island.) In any case, fewer people, especially fewer people in developed countries, means less carbon.

    This obvious truth was met with baffled hostility.

    • Agree: Renard
    • Thanks: J.Ross, mc23
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  32. @Anon

    Black people moving to a White area worry about how they’ll be perceived, while Whites moving to a majority black area worry they’ll be killed.

    Years ago someone made a documentary titled “In Search of Racism” (not what’s on YouTube). He asked black people to describe times they had experienced racism from whites. He generally got answers like one from a black man who said that when he went into a restaurant with a white woman he was dating he got some funny looks.

    I have a friend, an elderly Jewish man, who grew up in Brooklyn. Among his experiences with blacks: being robbed at gunpoint twice and both his sisters being raped. As a formative experience, I would say that outweighs getting funny looks.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  33. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Despite his heroism, Coriolanus hates and despises the common people so bitterly…

    Sobran so hated and despised the common people that he couldn’t believe a commoner could have written Coriolanus.

  34. ‘…On the other hand, DEI seems to be fading in 2024…’

    And Black Lives Matter can’t get any traction when another black thug bites the dust, and Transsexuals no longer excite quite the fevered adoration they once did. When was the last time you read a defense of sexually mutilating children?

    Etc. I think our handlers are worried that if they don’t chill, the election results this fall might be too lopsided to fudge. It’s hard to say, because unlike some, I don’t see an Oberkommando der Juden making articulated decisions in a boardroom somewhere. But I believe there is a tacit, evolving consensus about what to push when. If I was invited, I could probably discern a gentle tide in what people did and did not nod their heads to at certain cocktail parties. It’s my guess as to how we’re ruled.

    Since we now live in a world of lies and deliberately selected information, it’s hard to say. How many Americans even know that the UN just voted 143-9 to admit Palestine as a member state? Do they realize how isolated the United States is becoming? We’re about as popular as the Soviet Union was in 1952 — considerably less, come to think of it.

    …and we’re a damned sight less functional. The Soviet Union managed to stagger on for another thirty years. We won’t. Have you looked out the window lately?

    • Agree: MGB
    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Goddard
  35. Muggles says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Imagine a presidential hopeful buying TV time to look us in the eye and say, “Listen up, you faggots.” Such a man could bring this country together. He’d be assured of plenty of media buzz. He might be harder to ignore than, say, Louis Farrakhan.

    Yes “media buzz”. But what’s that really worth? 15 seconds of media limelight?

    You seem to forget one recent well loved (by media) presidential candidate of a major party.

    This candidate was all but anointed by the Narrative Bringers as the Next Big Thing. A “path-breaker!”

    But when la Hillary was caught on a mic denegrating the millions of supporters of her opponent as gun toting “deplorables” who drove pickup trucks and even worse, actually went to church on Sunday!, she didn’t fare well.

    Most people rightly don’t trust elitists who wear their status on their sleeves and openly look down on others as inferior.

    The GOP stiffs (Romney, Bush, McCain, etc.) all flamed out despite the approval of the mainstream media mavens who pushed them to the forefront.

    It is worth noting here that Biden has made it very clear that he hates average White people who don’t support his Woke agenda of insanity. Constantly invoking the KKK and imaginary “white supremacists” lurking in the hills. Such bad people!

    Sneering at voters might get you a few seconds of “look at that!” air time.

    But not a winning formula. Even if WaPo and the NYT loved and agreed with your take on the unwashed deplorables…

  36. Thomm says:

    The CDC fertility data for 2023 is out :

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr035.pdf

    General fertility rates declined 5% for
    American Indian and Alaska Native
    and Black women, 3% for Asian and
    White women, and 1% for Hispanic
    women from 2022 to 2023. The
    general fertility rate was essentially
    unchanged for Native Hawaiian or
    Other Pacific Islander women.

    So black fertility fell, over the last year, percentage-wise, even more than white fertility. Only Hispanic fertility fell less than white fertility, but it still fell.

    The total fertility rate of both blacks and whites is now about 1.6. Even Hispanics are below replacement at 1.9.

    The best news of all: teen pregnancy has fallen by 79% since 1991. Back then, conservatives used to whine about social failure on account of ’28 year old grandmothers’ in the ghetto, and how they had to push through ‘welfare reform’ (and replace it with something worse).

    But now, America as a whole does not even have that many 28 year old mothers, as the average age of the mother at childbirth continues to rise. Births to mothers over 40 (via expensive IVF) is the only age band that did not fall, as even 35-39 fell.

  37. Mr. Anon says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Actually, a form of anti-Whitism probably goes back to at least the White Man’s Burden, the supposed obligation of White people to suffer in order to civilize others. Similarly, the Christian Missionary routine had the same odor.

    To be fair, a lot of that was just moralistic window-dressing to pretty up rapacious imperialism.

  38. Mr. Anon says:
    @Skyler the Weird

    Had my DEI training this week and noticed it’s now being called DE&I or DEIB(They add Belonging). Typical Leftist thinking that if people are tired of DEI nonsense just change the name.

    Should be: Diversity Inclusion, Equity, Belonging – DIEB

    That’s German for “thief”

    How is “belonging” different than “inclusion”? I guess it doesn’t matter. As you say: typical leftist thinking. Just add some words.

    • Replies: @Fluesterwitz
  39. @JohnnyWalker123

    That’s good! We don’t need any larger number of people in North America. No more. We enjoy the smallest population density on the planet, and we enjoy two oceans protecting us from most of the rest of the world.

    Think about that — and don’t throw it away.

    Have more White babies! I suggest the doggie position, because women dig it and it has been shown to provide some of the deepest penetration. It works, so do it!

    The base of your penis/scrotal area stimulates her clitoral area. Doggie is the most natural and pleasurable position. Furthermore, she instinctively feels that it is “dirty” and “animalistic,” because it is. Do it, and have more White babies.

    This is your opportunity to reverse our demographic decline by fucking properly.

    • LOL: Gordo
  40. Mike Tre says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Western whites have been taught to hate themselves but yet I’m supposed to believe the Pallies have it worse and put their problems ahead of mine.

    The irony of that perspective is lost on quite a few people here.

  41. pyrrhus says:

    “Democrats have won the popular vote in the 7 of the last 8 elections” because of massive cheating on their behalf in all of the big cities…If we had honest elections, their vote total would shrink impressively…Ask me how I know…I’m a retired Chicago lawyer…

    • Agree: J.Ross, TWS
  42. Arclight says:
    @slumber_j

    Yeah, something like your last sentence – people that are already well known, respected/liked, and are able to sound reasonable and firm. Bill Maher does some of this although I think it’s more out of exasperation with his side of the aisle and the belief they are going to fumble away a presumed generations-long period of dominance by just letting the crazies turn others off.

    Probably it starts with whites, but what would really have the left panicking is if there were well-known non-whites who are already public figures who basically started saying they aren’t on board with the white hate and were persuasive to people of their own ethnic or racial group. As Steve has noted repeatedly, that’s the krazy glue that holds the left together and I would expect that if there are signs of cracks the nutbags will get even more shrill, thus convincing norms to move towards the not-hateful messengers. Obviously white resentment and the demand for permanent subsidy is a core principle of pretty big slice of black America, but if we got to where even 15% of them were as turned off by their cohort’s losers as upper middle class whites are of theirs, that would be a political earthquake.

    Granted, this is all speculation and it’s clear that there are still a lot of die-hard anti-West/anti-white people in many positions of influence and power in academia, media, politics and even businesses that are not going down without a fight. Another, more depressing possibility is what kills all this off is a massive crisis (large scale war with our direct involvement, financial meltdown, etc) that is enough of an existential threat that society regains some sanity and focus merely to survive it. That would be painful but perhaps there are elements of the right organized enough to seize back enough of the levers of power so that when it all subsides its not back to disenfranchising whites in the name of social justice, essentially the inverse of what the left did during the Summer of Love/Covid.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
  43. @Buzz Mohawk

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @clifford brown
  44. @Arclight

    but what we really need is a messenger(s) who is able to start saying the obvious openly and in a way that normal people can adopt the same argument without too much fear of social sanction

    What we really need is just the opposite. We need someone bold and rude to tell it straight and tell these fools to “f” off. People like that style – they’ll respond to it. In fact they already did. They elected Trump President.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  45. J.Ross says:

    OT —

    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  46. Wj says:
    @Anonymous

    I could read Cole no more after last year when he swore that a Mexican mass murderer could really be a white supremacist

    • Replies: @36 ulster
    , @Reg Cæsar
  47. @Mike Tre

    To be fair, we’re not having bombs dropped on our houses and hospitals. I think they do have it worse in that regard, and it’s a pretty hefty regard.

    • Thanks: Gordo
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  48. Mark G. says:
    @guest007

    How well do Pakistani Muslims and Indian Hindus get along with each other? By letting them immigrate here are we opening the door to more future ethnic strife in this country with these two groups at each others throats?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  49. Anonymous[528] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Anti-Semitism will end when faithless Jews leave other groups of people alone and stop trying to transform their nations and cultures in ways that invariably harm the populations in question. It is really not that complicated.

    The problem with this prescription is that the separatist logic of Judaism may compel Jews to transform other groups into something less attractive. If Jews live amongst attractive nations and cultures, how will Jews survive as a distinct group? Their children will want to intermarry and assimilate.

    Therefore, it may not be possible for Jews simply to leave other groups alone.

  50. Corvinus says:

    Once again, Mr. Sailer talks about “anti-whiteness”, but neglects to clearly define it and offer examples. Just racial dog whistling.

    “Core Americans: men, the married, homeowners, and, most of all, whites.”

    Let’s be more precise—men and women, single or married, of all races and ethnic groups, who are citizens.

  51. @Mr. Anon

    How is “belonging” different than “inclusion”?

    Inclusion means that somebody does not belong but ought to be treated as if he belonged. It is, in principle, a rejectable assertion.
    The notional acceptance of somebody belonging makes his exclusion an even harder proposition.

    Also, lol for the DIEB.

  52. @Colin Wright

    …forty years. Whatever the US is in 2063, I wouldn’t bet on it looking much like it does today.

  53. Jay Fink says:
    @Anonymous

    If I didn’t read sites like this I honestly never would have heard of the concept that Jews were hostile to whites. I grew up thinking I was white, not much different than gentile whites. Half of my parents friends weren’t Jewish. I think this is common.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  54. neutral says:
    @Corvinus

    You want examples, then watch nearly every Hollywood movie made in the last 10 years.

  55. Dr. Rock says:

    My copy just delivered, looking forward to the read.

  56. @Mark G.

    ‘…This leads to hostility between these two groups…’

    So one hopes. If the two should agree on an amicable division of the spoils, the rest of us are for it.

  57. @Mike Tre

    ‘Western whites have been taught to hate themselves but yet I’m supposed to believe the Pallies have it worse and put their problems ahead of mine.’

    You realize we do share a common enemy?

  58. J.Ross says:
    @Mark G.

    Already they have nightly street demonstrations in Canada. Or the “Khalistan” people (Sikhs). Lots of video.

  59. mc23 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    When we were dating my wife went to an event in Washington where Joe Sobran was holding forth. Reminded me of this clip.

  60. Currahee says:
    @Arclight

    I believe that many whites voted for Obama in the hope that blacks would finally STFU,
    and…..

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  61. Dr. X says:

    Carl’s final chapter, “The End Game: Reparations and Expropriations,” theorizes that the purpose of DEI is

    to create an intellectual and cultural environment to justify the expropriation of land, property, and other wealth from whites while instituting a permanent regime of anti-white employment and legal discrimination.

    In other words, racial communism in which whites are the new kulaks.

  62. @guest007

    A corollary of this is the issues that it creates for institutions that cannot move such as St Jude’s in Memphis or Johns Hopkins in Baltimore or Washington University in St Louis.

    Or SPLC in Montgomery!

    • Replies: @guest007
  63. @Reg Cæsar

    Balderdash. When Bill Buckley infamously told him “You don’t need those people”* he was referring to common people. (And, as fate would have it, those ‘common people’ are who put him up when he had no choice but to wonder in his latter years. Yes, he did indeed need those people.)

    Anywho, Joe was obviously right about the authorship question. For example, from his essay “Bard Thou Never Wert”:

    Prick up your ears

    Another order of evidence can be found in Oxford’s surviving letters. William Plumer Fowler has made a remarkable compilation of hundreds of parallels of phrase between “Shakespeare” and Oxford. Here is a sampling. In each case, a brief quotation from Oxford’s letters is followed, in parentheses, by one or two from Shakespeare.

    “It is my hap according to the English proverb to starve like the horse, while the grass doth grow. (“Ay, sir, but while the grass grows — the proverb is something musty.”)

    “To bury and insevill your works in the grave of oblivion.” (“And deeper than oblivion do we bury …”)

    “To bring all my hope in her Majesty’s gracious words to smoke.” (“This helpless smoke of words.” And: “Words folded up in smoke.”)

    “Your news … doth ring dolefully in the ears of every man.” (“Then little strength rings out the doleful knell.”)

    “Decked with pearls and precious stones.” (“Decked with diamonds and Indian stones.”)

    “To bury my hopes in the deep abyss and bottom of despair.” (“In the dark backward and abysm of time .” And: In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.”)

    “Conceit, which is dangerous.” (“Dangerous conceits.”)

    “Thus I leave you to the protection of Almighty God.” (“So I leave you to the protection of the prosperous gods.”)

    “In all kindness and kindred.” (“A little more than kin, and less than kind.”)

    “In an eternal remembrance to yourself.” (“Together with remembrance of ourselves.”)

    “An end according to mine expectation.” (“Our expectation hath this day an end.”)

    “By these lewd fellows.” (“By this lewd fellow.”)

    “But now time and truth have unmasked all difficulties.” (“Time’s glory is … to unmask falsehood and bring truth to life.”)

    “Fruits of golden promises.” (“Golden promises.” And: “Fruitful … promises.”

    *”I had just met a dear old Irish Catholic couple, by the name of Sullivan, at my friend Kevin Lynch’s house . . . they told me one of the sweetest things I’d ever heard: that they prayed for me in their daily rosaries. I thought that Bill [Buckley] might find this moving too, so I told him about it. If I live to be 100, I’ll never forget his reaction. His face just curdled in contempt, and he snarled, ‘You don’t need those people.’”

    https://www.thedp.com/article/1993/11/column_misfiring_line

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @obwandiyag
  64. Ennui says:

    Huh, anti-white attitudes by the elites is new.

    From the National Park Service describing General Grant at the Battle of the Crater. Founding Stock/Heritage/Freedom American Gen Grant was willing to sacrifice white troops to avoid “scandal.” This is the same General Grant who expelled Jews from Memphis.

    “A month after the siege began, Union troops started digging a tunnel underneath the city’s defenses. The tunnel was both an attack strategy and morale boost which kept Grant’s soldiers busy and focused. In the early morning of July 30, 1864, the mine was detonated, sending men and earth flying. Although Grant wanted to send in specially trained African American soldiers, fears of a scandal led him to use an untrained white division, who charged into the crater and were unable to climb out. Many died as Confederate soldiers shot down at them from the crater’s edge.”

  65. @Anonymous

    What is a measly 7 trillion dollars going to do for us when we have annual Federal deficits in the trillion-dollar range?

  66. anon[886] • Disclaimer says:

    Carl’s final chapter, “The End Game: Reparations and Expropriations,” theorizes that the purpose of DEI is:

    to create an intellectual and cultural environment to justify the expropriation of land, property, and other wealth from whites while instituting a permanent regime of anti-white employment and legal discrimination.

    On its face, this doesn’t make much sense. Carl needs to offer a theory for why Jews would want to create such a situation.

    • LOL: Renard
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  67. nebulafox says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Most people have prices for most things, you’ve just to got figure out what it is… and realize when you’ve run into an exception, treat them with all the awe they deserve: as friend, example, or foe.

    Most people aren’t evil. We all have good and evil inside us, that’s the human condition in a nutshell. Fluctuating duality best tapped into for the best of both worlds. Most people are weak and untrained. And that’s always fixable if the person wants to be better-and is doing it of their own free will. Over time, for itself, in itself.

    It’s a long, stochastic game, that the Lord has set up, one which the most minor role in is an honor.

    • Replies: @Odie
  68. J.Ross says:

    OT — Detroit’s own Roger Corman has died.

  69. prosa123 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I suggest the doggie position, because women dig it and it has been shown to provide some of the deepest penetration. It works, so do it!
    The base of your penis/scrotal area stimulates her clitoral area. Doggie is the most natural and pleasurable position.

    I’ve heard that many hookers will only do doggie because it’s the most impersonal style. They don’t look the trick in the face, and can pretend it’s a spouse or lover rather than someone paying money.

    One downside of doggie for some women, however, is the way it exposes the butthole to the man’s view.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  70. J.Ross says:
    @anon

    On the contrary, it’s all but obvious, and easily meshed with replacement theory.
    >we’re slightly smarter than X
    >we’re Arthur C. Clarke smarter than Y
    >therefore exterminate X and encourage Y
    >it’s not happening fast enough
    >okay, legislate and hiring policy Y over X

  71. Actually, a form of anti-Whitism probably goes back to at least the White Man’s Burden, the supposed obligation of White people to suffer in order to civilize others. Similarly, the Christian Missionary routine had the same odor.

    There is certainly a reformist–and meddling–attitudinal element that connects this among elite whites.

    However, straight up there is a huge ideology, emotional and practical difference between:

    We whites have it all figured out! and should bring the lesser breeds without the law into the light.

    and
    — Whites are oppressing virtuous minorities!</b. "The white race is the cancer of human history", tear it down!

    One is pro-white, pro-white civilization. Specifically Anglos holding up themselves and their civilization. The other is anti-white. Specifically non-Anglos, bashing the accomplishments of Anglos and seeking to tear white nations down.

    Both the core people involved and the core motivations could not be more different. Pretending they are the same is to willfully blind oneself–and prevents us from naming and fighting minoritarianism/anti-whitism clearly and effectively.

  72. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Even Homer nods– both men reached for the cliché of the day at times. Not one of those lines is impressive.

    The Claremont Shakespeare Clinic put the Bard and all* the “claimants” through the digital wringer, and ranked each of the latter’s relative distance from the original. Oxford was among the least likely, finishing below Elizabeth I.

    When it comes to attribution, amateurs examine the most important things, professionals the least. The more trivial, the better. E.g., you can tell who wrote which Federalist paper simply by counting on vs upon.

    *Okay, not quite all. There were a couple who left no writings extant. So there is hope for the anti-Stratfordians!

  73. nebulafox says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That, and you can shoot your semen deeper, too. I imagine that must help fertility.

    Fat women are wonderful for doggie style because the visual and physicality of it is primal and positively decadent, the nonlinear dynamics of the bouncing cheeks fascinating, and the woman more able to endure a real pounding than her thinner counterparts. This comes at the cost of flexibility elsewhere, though, and the ability to switch around. Also, some have confidence issues that require careful management to handle. I find that mirrors help because she can see how into taking her, conquering her, melding with her you are.

    I like it when the moonlight shines on the back, whatever the race or size. Pale skin is shimmery, which is a nice visual effect, but the contrast with dark skin is more tangible. Then there’s the surroundings. Water, grass, mountains…

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Curle
  74. @JohnnyWalker123

    $300? Man, homosexual whores, er, I mean right wing nietzchean intellectuals are pretty cheap.

    • LOL: BB753
  75. I don’t know what all this woe is us whining is about. America is still great (At least from the perspective of the Black Sea coast.)

    AnotherMom rode with the hotel taxi driver over to the Istanbul airport yesterday evening to pickup AnotherDaughter, who had a narrower work window to join our family trip. The driver told her “I want to go to America.” He related he had a friend who had gone and loved it. AnotherMom enquired about when and how … she had gone to Mexico last year and just walked across the border. Now she was living in New Jersey, had a car and loved it. AnotherMom told him he’d better hurry as we might get a new President and the border would be closed back up.

    What kind of amazing country is this, that evening illegal aliens living in New Jersey think it’s great!

  76. @Anonymous

    Ukrainians are white, it’s one of the whitest countries in the world. Russia is a multicultural nation using large numbers of Islamic and Central Asian soldiers to kill white Christians. Seems obvious why Sailer is on the Ukrainian side. Particularly as he gets to deal with obnoxious gold wearing Putin supporting Caucasian and Russian Jewish types all the time in SoCal from his stories.

    $61 billion is not a lot of money for the US, particularly since most of the aid is recycled through US companies or used to pay for weapons lying around in stockpiles. Funny Republicans don’t complain about the massive amount of funding going to Israel, most of which is buying bad will towards the U.S. from the rest of the world.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Troll: Pierre de Craon, BB753
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  77. In the past, young people looked older than they do now.

    • Replies: @epebble
  78. @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Christianity is all about martyrdom, sacrifice, and selflessness. Which may be true and noble but that makes it utterly incapable of withstanding the antiwhite leftist onslaught. For those who decry Jewish (alleged) supremecism, hey good for them for pulling it off.We could have had Christian supremecism but we fumbled away the chance.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  79. @AnotherDad

    Romanians north-northwest of you agree.

    Enjoy your trip!

  80. @Pat Hannagan

    In the future you’ll have a lot of positive feedback 97% agreeing with you, the other 13% hoping for engagement which you’ll give the AI

    Even his critics agree, Steve always gives 110 percent!

  81. This reminds me of something.

    Read this paragraph about Jesse Jackson. From the New York Times.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1972/07/09/archives/jesse-jackson-i-am-audience-i-am-jesse-somebody-audience-somebody.html

    Always, Jackson was defiant. As a young man, when he worked as a waiter in the Jack Tar Hotel in Greenville, S. C., and whites did not tip him, Jesse would spit into their soup or salad before he brought it to the table, and watch with enjoyment as whites ate gobs of saliva as though it were, say, oil and vinegar dressing.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  82. @Arclight

    That’s because in Latin America and South Asia being ‘oppressed’ is not cool. The upper castes of India don’t want to think of themselves as poor oppressed brown people, they want to think of themselves as on par with successful whites, sitting at the same table, able to enjoy the same status. Ditto with Latin Americans. Nobody wants to be a poor oppressed black demanding reparations.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  83. Gordo says:
    @Anonymous

    Ain’t these mofos heard of per capita?

  84. Talking of the unprotected class – this weekend saw the finals of the Eurovision Song Contest – originally a set of bland, cheesy songs and singers – Abba probably the most famous, now a venue for non-binary drag acts and performers like Ireland’s “Bambi Thug”.

    Here’s the Swiss winner:

    When Russia’s full-scale invasion™ of Ukraine happened in 2022, they were instantly banned from the contest. But full-scale genocide seems OK – Israel made the semis.

    Most odd. Almost like double standards.

    • Thanks: Gordo, Renard
  85. @YetAnotherAnon

    “…My daughters will not have children because of the state of the planet…”

    As Wilde is supposed to have said, “…[o]ne must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing”.

    The lefties are self-exterminating through abortion, child castration, pedophilia and unfounded fears of Armageddon triggered by a gas that is less than 0.5% of the atmosphere not to mention injecting themselves vigorously with Fauci’s female-sterilizing death-vax. It is inarguable that the left is the “party of death”.

    Who says there’s no good news anymore? One just has to look (and read Mr. Sailer).

    On the other hand, in the traditionalist circles in which I run, families of 4 plus children are the norm.

    Of course, the trannie public school teachers are working full-time to corrupt them, but our kids are in parochial schools, out of their reach.

  86. 36 ulster says:

    Given the hysteria of the past few years, the phrases Coalition of the
    Marginal or Coalition of the Borderline may be appropriate as well.

  87. anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @CalCooledge

    Do you see organizations like the ADL as a form of Jewish supremacy?

  88. guest007 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    A funding raising/media organization had have employee work from anywhere. A hospital cannot have the employees work from anywhere. Also, Hospitals have the customers (patients) come to its location to be near the staff and the complex machines. A hospital or a university in a dangerous neighborhood presents a problem not only for the employee but also for the customers.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @deep anonymous
  89. SFG says:
    @slumber_j

    Even Jesus had John the Baptist.

    More relevantly, social change is always a combined arms operation. You need scribblers like Sailer and Hanania to come up with the long term plan, guys like Richard Blum to mount challenges through the legal system, elected officials to put in new laws, political operatives to mount their campaign, and whoever you can convince to vote for them.

  90. 36 ulster says:
    @Wj

    I seem to have missed that one. Not surprising, since I stopped reading his stuff for the most part. He seems to have no great love for his tribe, but that may be because he’s a misanthrope at heart. And a well-lit misanthrope, if his admitted affection for spirits is to be believed. He has a monomaniacal vendetta against those who he claims disowned him when his identity as a Holocaust revisionist (not a denier) was revealed. Tucker Carlson didn’t have a hand in this, but Cole’s tedious denunciations of him and of other right-of-center figures (admittedly, much of it justified) led me to drop him, since he cast a blind eye to the spyglass toward the left and its depredations of their–our–own nation. If he thought that “policing our ranks” would purify the right, he seems to be sadly mistaken, and singularly unsuccessful.. Even some of his sycophants on social media have given up, though I’m not sure whether his other outlets have been similarly affected, but I won’t bother to find out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  91. J.Ross says:
    @Jay Fink

    Well, recall Seth Rogen thinking he was “normal” (leftist), then only in middle age crashing into the idea that leftists are supposed to hate Zionism.

  92. @CalCooledge

    Idealized picture.

    How come Christians (Portuguese, Spanish, English, French, Russians,…) conquered the world?

  93. Art Deco says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He was expecting a tip before the food was delivered to the table?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. @Barnard

    Perhaps 15 or so years ago, I visited an African American forum. I’ve seen it ca. 70-90 times. Then, it had a rather simple structure, not divided into sports, health, culture, economics, politics, ….. There you could get a glimpse into a collective black American psyche.

    Generally, it was extremely infantile. Perhaps 70% of it was about sex, and the vast majority of questions were from black males: would white, Philippino, Asian, Mexican, Indian, Dominican, eastern European, Latino…women want to date & screw them. 30 or 40 years old men writing as adolescents. Black women were constantly accused as “Jezebels”.

    Around 20% was about their music and entertainment (A. Football, basketball), but mostly about music. Rock music was denounced as “white”; jazz too. There was blathering about hip hop and rap as something virtually divine.

    The rest, 10%, was about some obscure topics, either local news, gossip or black Muslim fantasies (white man is the devil) & similar topics.

    That’s who they are.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  95. @Skyler the Weird

    In Adam Carolla’s new web cartoon based on his high school shop teacher, the grift has been renamed JEDI, with the J standing for Justice, and grifters running it calling themselves JEDI Masters.

  96. Sadly John Hinckley keeps getting cancelled after 23 years, but maybe someday he will be allowed to make a living. He is currently selling merch on his website and on eBay

  97. @Peter Akuleyev

    It’s more. It is just. As is Richard Gere just in supporting Tibetans, whichever the consequences. Some causes are simply- just

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
  98. Mike Tre says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    They aren’t being intentionally addicted to opioids – they aren’t being taught to hate themselves, they aren’t being taught to abort their children, they aren’t being to taught that encouraging their children to become homosexuals and transsexuals is a positive thing, they aren’t being taught that their history is evil by their own kind, they aren’t being taught to worship inferior peoples by way of entertainment media.

    Death is still death, regardless of how it is administered.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  99. Goddard says:
    @Colin Wright

    But I believe there is a tacit, evolving consensus about what to push when.

    I believe many conspiracies boil down to just this.

  100. @Reg Cæsar

    So what a literary genius like Sobran found “remarkable” you find unimpressive? Well– I’m not impressed.

    And oh, um, did they put their biographies through the digital wringer? Please consider that calling so many coincidences just coincidences begins to feel absurd to a human.

    I would put it this way, even the professional Stratfordians blush at the fact that their man owned no books.

    I do have a movie for you though: Finding Forrester. It’s about a black Shakespeare.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Art Deco
  101. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    He was expecting a tip before the food was delivered to the table?

    Epitome of high time preference.

  102. anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherMom told him he’d better hurry as we might get a new President and the border would be closed back up.

    Weird response. Scott Adams says that females cannot be trusted with national security matters.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  103. @JohnnyWalker123

    This will be an argument for even more immigration. Book it.

    • Replies: @guest007
  104. David says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Shakespeare took just about every detail of his play from Plutarch’s life of Coriolanus. I don’t think either expected his portrait of Marcius to be taken as an example to live by. Coriolanus comes off as an Ayn Rand-like momma’s boy whose hurt feelings lead to treason. And both the play and the life make a pretty good case for the plebs too.

    [MORE]

    …they [the plebs] had this long time past been, in fact, expelled and excluded from the city by the cruelty of the rich; that Italy would everywhere afford them the benefit of air and water and a place of burial, which was all they could expect in the city, unless it were, perhaps, the privilege of being wounded and killed in time of war for the defense of their creditors.

    and

    they [the patricians] must proceed to involve [the poor] also in a needless war of their own making, that no calamity might be wanting to complete the punishment of the citizens for refusing to submit to that of slavery to the rich.

    but

    it was well and truly said that the first destroyer of the liberties of a people is he who first gave them bounties and largesses.

  105. guest007 says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    They usually couch the argument as immigration is needed to sustain social security payments to the elderly and to staff all of the healthcare jobs that will be created in the future as the average age gets older. Of course, the conservative position seems to be to ignore both issues or use a hand-wave about the free market.

  106. MGB says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    he couldn’t believe a commoner could have written Coriolanus.

    A commoner didn’t write Coriolanus.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  107. Sean says:

    Without immigration wages will rise for those jobs (most obviously services and construction) that cannot be offshored.

    A class clash within whites explains it best I think. It is not in the interests of upper-middle-class-and-above whites to halt immigration and bring the offshored jobs back.

    By the thirties there was what Galbreath called ‘ The Technostructure” to prevent workers being exploited by effectively removing management from being directly accountable for maximizing the share price. Reagan dismantled it and the result was unemployment; then the jobs went abroad.

    The new technostructure is not economic but political, and is intended to use legalism and the power of big business (including social media), academia, and the extreme centre establishment represented by Biden (man from US corporate capital of Wilmington, Delaware) to take power away from the electorate and give it to judicial appointees, non profits, and government agencies, thereby placing decisions on things such as immigration outside the ambit of democracy.

    • Replies: @guest007
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  108. guest007 says:
    @Sean

    Globalization is why the jobs went abroad. When one is selling in the world marketplace (think iphones), the one finds the cheapest production costs.

    And if labor shortages cause wages to go up, then illegal immigration will go up and the U.S. will have to spend more to keep illegal immigrants out. Also, if labor shortages push wages up, companies will do even more to move jobs overseas or automate or to use shadow work to push more tasks onto customers (think more versions of pump your own gas).

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Sean
    , @Sean
  109. AceDeuce says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Regarding Reagan would-be assassin John Hinckley, it’s worth remembering-for the few who actually remember, that Reagan and the other shooting victims were unfortunate ( in the same way as the January 6 protestors are) in that the location of the incident was the third world city of Washington DC. The DC jurors in the Hinckley trial consisted of 11 negroes (6 females and 5 males) and a lone White woman. And a negro judge, Barrington Parker, to paint the lily, as the Bard put it.

    negroes hated Reagan, and that’s why Hinckley got an insanity verdict. If the hotel where the shooting took place was in suburban Maryland or Virginia, outside the DC line, the verdict would have been very different.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  110. @ScarletNumber

    To be fair, he IS a murderer.

    But the US justice system has decided he’s paid his debt to society, so certainly no tax-funded venue should turn him down.

    Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules” – Rules For Radicals #4

  111. @Sean

    “it is not in the interests of upper-middle-class-and-above whites to halt immigration and bring the offshored jobs back”

    But what role will there be for the upper classes when China dominates the global economy and the only jobs they can get are as industrial plantation overseers over the USA’s polyglot masses, used for assembly of cheap Chinese-made stuff? I suppose their daughters will have value as concubines, though not as wives.

    The story of TSMC trying to build a Chinese chip plant in Arizona should send a chill down US elite spines, but they seem oblivious. Once the skills are gone, they tend to stay gone. Remember the TSMC founder learned his trade during 25 years at Texas Instruments. Anyone think TSMC will give an American a senior technical role? Maybe if his surname’s Wang.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/22/technology/tsmc-arizona-factory-tensions.html

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-delays-U.S.-chip-plant-start-to-2025-due-to-labor-shortages

    TSMC Chairman Mark Liu said the world’s biggest contract chipmaker is entering a critical phase of handling and installing some of the “most advanced equipment” at the plant, its advanced first chip facility in the U.S. in more than 20 years. Mass production was previously slated to begin late next year.

    “We are encountering certain challenges, as there is an insufficient amount of skilled workers with the specialized expertise required for equipment installation in a semiconductor-grade facility,” Liu said. He added that TSMC is sending experienced technicians from Taiwan to make up for delays and the lack of trained local workers, confirming a Nikkei Asia report last month.

    • Agree: Sean
  112. @ScarletNumber

    Wow, I really shouldn’t try to do math that early in the morning; Hinckley has been getting canceled for 43 years now, not 23…

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  113. JimDandy says:
    @Mike Tre

    You mean the bisexual plagiarist orgy-enthusiast who slapped around white hookers? THAT Martin Luther King? It’s time to tear down all his statues. He is, after all, named after to most virulent antisemite in history.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Gordo
  114. mc23 says:
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    Some say Kipling’s poem is self serving but in truth aren’t our invite the world policies just a different take on the messianic impetus of a Christian world view?

    Such a poem would be incomprehensible in the Islamic world or among the Chinese and Hindus.

    “Take up the White Man’s burden—
    Ye dare not stoop to less—
    Nor call too loud on Freedom
    To cloak your weariness;
    By all ye cry or whisper,
    By all ye leave or do,
    The silent sullen peoples
    Shall weigh your Gods and you. ”

    The White Man’s burden is fading fast, it seems now, Recessional is more appropriate

    for heathen heart that puts her trust
    In reeking tube and iron shard,
    All valiant dust that builds on dust,
    And guarding, calls not Thee to guard,
    For frantic boast and foolish word—
    Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord!

  115. Republican candidate Brandon Herrara (TX-Dist 23), who is in a runoff election against Tony Gonzales this May 28, has finished his .50 BMG Kalashnikov AK-50!

  116. TWS says:
    @John Gruskos

    Same reason the army can’t find new recruits. Anti white racism has finally caught up to them.

  117. @Corvinus

    Well…then what do you THINK he means?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  118. TWS says:
    @Anonymous

    Nearly every Jew I’ve met is a whiter shade of pale than Woody Allen. They’re as white as the Amish, just a different religion and culture.

  119. @Corvinus

    “Once again, Mr. Sailer talks about ‘anti-whiteness’, but neglects to clearly define it and offer examples. Just racial dog whistling.”

    Well, then what do you think he means?

  120. @ScarletNumber

    Well, he did, after all, try to kill President Reagan. As you may recall, he and his family lived next door to people my family knew, in my home town. I have written about that here.

    • Replies: @BB753
  121. epebble says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Watched parts of Eurovision 2024 yesterday. It is amazing how the quality of music has deteriorated to the point of sounding like it is composed by a band of monkeys and the fashion has become slutty.

    Compare

    • Thanks: mc23, Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @JohnnyWalker123
  122. BB753 says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    It’s not an algorithm, Pat. It’s a black list. Steve doesn’t approve of your taste in 80’s music, lol!

  123. BB753 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Are your people the Bush family? They were close, suspiciously.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  124. @prosa123

    … it’s the most impersonal style. They don’t look the trick in the face…

    Sometimes that’s a feature, not a bug.

    …it exposes the butthole to the man’s view.

    Again, feature, not bug.

  125. @Wj

    I could read Cole no more after last year when he swore that a Mexican mass murderer could really be a white supremacist

    Mexico is run by white supremacists who, unlike ours, know how to spin it the right way, and quite effectively at that. Indeed, it is a form of the “civic nationalism” regularly mocked here. (Who has had more success, Salinas and Fox and Peña and AMLO, or “Citizen” and “Loyalty” and “Jenner”?)

    This is the case for the largest and most successful countries in Latin America. Note that name: Latin America.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  126. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mike Tre

    Western whites have been taught to hate themselves but yet I’m supposed to believe the Pallies have it worse and put their problems ahead of mine.

    The irony of that perspective is lost on quite a few people here.

    Nobody here, as far as I can tell, is saying to put the problems of the Palestinians ahead of our own. We are saying that the Palestinians are Israel’s problem, and that we shouldn’t put Israel’s problems ahead of ours.

    And, bear in mind, that a lot of the people who tell us that we should be very concerned with the problems of our best little buddy in the near east, the Mideast’s only democracy, yada, yada, yada, are also significant supporters of immigration. Bill Ackman, for example:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/23/business/bill-ackman-inflation-immigration/index.html

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  127. @Skyler the Weird

    Corporate thinking, dummesel. Think Exxon.

  128. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Why would anyone bother to give you an example, or a hundred? You would just ignore them. You don’t argue in good faith. Or even bad faith, for that matter. You don’t argue. You just spew insipid nonsense.

    F**k off, you vacuous twit.

    • Agree: TWS
  129. @BB753

    John’s brother was scheduled to have dinner with W. Bush’s brother. They were all in the oil business, like half of my friends’ families. I think it was just a strange but likely coincidence.

    The worst thing that happened was that John’s parents cut him off, setting him floating with no means of support or even a home to return to. They were advised to do that by a hack psychologist in my town.

    Let me repeat that, because it is something I unfortunately am familiar with: a hack psychologist in my town.

    From that time forward, my own father made it clear to me that I always at least had a home to come back to — in that very same mountain town. And I did, and I survived.

    John Hinckley was crazy, but I was crazy too (though not nearly as much nor at all violent. Hell, I don’t even find Jodie Foster — an obvious lesbian — at all sexy.)

    • Thanks: BB753
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Reg Cæsar
  130. @Bardon Kaldian

    ChiTown has a “Black Information Network” that took over the Spanish-language AM radio station on 640.

    https://chicago.binnews.com/

  131. @Wade Hampton

    Not sure I agree. In a sane society, these women would be dropping broad hints to their daughters that it was getting well on for grandchildren time.

    Women throughout history have tended to “go with the flow”, it’s just that the flow is leading them to a big drop. But women don’t make the direction of the current.

    When their trusting, do-what-they’re-told genes have vanished, we’ll miss them one day – if we survive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. @Bardon Kaldian

    “Perhaps 70% of it was about sex”

    At least here only a relatively small proportion of posts are hymns to the pleasures and advantages of “doggy style” 😉

  133. J.Ross says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Just to be clear, they cut him off after he tried to assassinate a popular President and not before? Because if they did that before, it would explain more than that Jodie Foster thing. I can half understand Jeff Goldblum’s reasoning but him cutting his kids off like that is partly inhuman and un-Jewish: he is supposed to teach his son a trade, and accommodating some accommodations. The Serbs had a thing, like a clan-corporation with real estate, legal powers, banking functions, where your family would set you up (so long as you remained in good standing with them).

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  134. J.Ross says:
    @epebble

    There was a whole scandal I thought about commenting on, where Israel (which, last time I checked, is not in Europe) tried to intrigue a superior Dutch candidate out of the contest, and it totally backfired on them. We’re living in The Apple, the incoherent Golan-Globus ripoff of Phantom of the Paradise which gave rise to Homer Simpson’s car. Not only does Israel force its way into other region’s contests, not only do they behave like this, but they use it as a platform to threaten extermination. What nice people they are.

  135. @PsychicFriend

    Wrong. When younger, I knew a college student whose father exported tea from Ceylon. In other words, upper caste and class. Rich as Midas. He said, “I relate to the American blacks and their struggle.” I asked him about untouchables. He said “That’s different.”

    Nope. Sorry. Cognitive dissonance is not limited to American shores.

  136. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Please consider that calling so many coincidences just coincidences begins to feel absurd to a human.

    The Baconians say the same thing. Take it up with them!

    A.L. Rowse insisted Shakespeare’s works were those of a virile straight man. Rowse knew more about queerdom than any other major Shakespeare scholar, and more about Shakespeare than any other queer.

  137. @anonymous

    Scott Adams says that females cannot be trusted with national security matters.

    Residents of las Malvinas might take exception to that.

  138. Mr. Anon says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The Climate Crisis narrative is as dysgenic and anti-natalist as the LGBT agenda or anything else pushed by TPTB.

    • Agree: Gordo
  139. Mr. Anon says:

    OT – the childless (probably lesbian) prime minister of NATO member Lithuania is contemplating sending troops to Ukraine.

    Baltic NATO Country Says It’s Ready To Send Troops To Ukraine

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/baltic-nato-country-says-its-ready-send-troops-ukraine

    Over the past two years, a mutual defense pact is being extended to a country that is not a member of that pact and is specifically enjoined from becoming a member of that pact.

    The World seems to be stumbling into WWIII. Does anybody care?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  140. @guest007

    Then you are prepared for the US to lose its position to China (which is happening now) and you’re quite content with that.

    The Far East doesn’t believe in globalisation – or more precisely, they see it as a one-way process in which Western know-how and technology moves to them – and stays there.

    https://www.fingleton.net/the-rise-of-east-asia-and-an-epochal-threat-to-american-freedoms-2/

    “The conclusion is epochal: a system that rivals Soviet communism in its grim suppression of individualism is now powerfully outperforming American free-market capitalism. The outperformance is most obvious in international trade but on closer examination the Confucian system’s superior wealth-creating capabilities are evident almost right across the board.

    In short we are witnessing a fundamental revolution in the human condition. The world is transitioning from an era when free societies did well precisely because they were free, to a new era in which authoritarian societies are doing well precisely because they are authoritarian.

    In one sentence, authoritarianism is set to inherit the earth.”

  141. Dmon says:
    @Barnard

    There are still a few sane places in the world.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/kevin-hart-comedy-tour-stop-194716252.html

    “We must teach our children the true history of Black Africans when they were kings in Egypt and not just the era of slavery that is cemented by education in America. Do you remember the time when we were kings?” Hart allegedly stated.

    In response to the alleged statement, a wave of dissenting views from Egyptians on Twitter ensued, many of them calling for the cancellation of Hart’s scheduled show, per the outlet.

    Per the report, tweets condemning Hart’s alleged comments included one from a user who claimed that followers of Afrocentrism “want to steal and attribute Egypt’s civilization to Africans and tell modern Egyptians that we are occupying Egypt from them. We must all participate in the campaign to cancel Kevin’s concert.”

    The whole thing sort of reminds me of the classic ’70’s joke:

    Little Leroy’s family moves into an all-white neighborhood, and the first day, Little Leroy is playing with little Johnny White, his new neighbor.
    “We’s just as good as you”, says Leroy. “You gots a house, we got us one too. We’s just as good as you”.
    The next day, they’re playing again.
    “We’s just as good as you”, says Leroy. “You gots a car, we got us one too. We’s just as good as you”.
    The third day, Little Leroy tells Johnny he can’t play with him anymore. “Why not?”, asks Johnny. Little Leroy says, “‘Cause we’s better than you. We ain’t livin’ next door to no ni66ers”.

  142. @JohnnyWalker123

    “The Census Bureau keeps lower their forecast”

    That 2023 forecast must have been taking into account Joe Biden’s approval rating.

    Yeah, there’s a fertility issue right now energized by both immigration and the way cell phones and women interact. But selection for breeders–breeders in the current cultural environment–is on-going. And will turn around as more religious and family oriented women create the next generation.

    The “Biden Administration”‘s open border is waving a 2 or 3 million a year, plus the million plus legal immigrants. This absolutely swamps the current 20%ish sub-replacement fertility. And there are another half billion people in the world who would like to move to America–right now!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  143. @Buzz Mohawk

    John’s brother was scheduled to have dinner with W. Bush’s brother. They were all in the oil business

    The Bushes are also Hinckley descendants, so they’d’ve been distant cousins as well. Their common ancestral couple (among possibly others), Samuel and Sarah Hinckley, came aboard the Good Ship Hercules of Sandwich in 1634.

    http://www.open-sandwich.co.uk/town_history/hercules.htm

    https://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/hercules2.htm

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  144. @MGB

    A commoner didn’t write Coriolanus.

    I knew there were champions of Elizabeth’s authorship out there, but you’d expect to meet them in a women’s study department, not on iSteve.

    • Replies: @MGB
  145. There are a few blacks down with this, but not as much as we think. It’s coming from while libs! Asians, Hispanics, Arabs, you name it, white libs are working OT to cultivate hatred and gin up violence against fellow whites from those groups, too. My will they regret this very soon, if not already– but are remaining reticent on their true feelimgs.

  146. epebble says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    If those graphs are true, they don’t inspire confidence in Census Bureau’s forecasting skills. If in 15 years, the slope of the curve goes from 45 degrees to zero (and then negative in later years), what confidence should one repose in estimates for 30, 50 or 70 years later? That this is the most statistically skilled U.S. government agency is doubly disappointing. We should be humble about our ability to say anything about future, especially far future.

    • Agree: Renard
  147. anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, popular actor Steve Buscemi was randomly sucker-punched by yet another racist Negro sociopath who apparently mistook Buscemi for a frail old white woman.

    Buscemi stars in the popular series “Boardwalk Empire,” and this is the second time a member of that cast has been randomly attacked by a crazed racist Negro:

    https://nypost.com/2024/05/12/us-news/boardwalk-empire-star-steve-buscemi-attacked-by-rock-wielding-maniac-in-nyc/

  148. @Mike Tre

    I understand your point.

    But there’s something about a missile strike that’s more pointed than encouragement to abort – the hate is open, not concealed.

  149. Corvinus says:
    @Prester John

    “Well…then what do you THINK he means?”

    No clue. He is cagey.

    So is anti-white….

    —when whites marry non-whites?
    —when whites sell their home to non-whites?
    —when whites hire non-whites?
    —when whites co-mingle with non-whites in public accommodations?

    How? Why?

  150. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Mexico is run by white supremacists who, unlike ours, know how to spin it the right way, and quite effectively at that”

    Citations required.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  151. Art Deco says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Sobran was a capable prose stylist, not a literary genius.

  152. Art Deco says:
    @guest007

    No need for immigration to keep Social Security actuarially sound. What will keep Social Security actuarially sound is (1) improved standards and procedures to scrape barnacles off the Disability program (NB about 1/4 of all disability awards these days are for ‘anxiety disorders’ and ‘mood disorders’) and (2) adjustable, cohort-specific retirement ages so the ratio of beneficiaries to working adults bounces around a set point. That ratio would have remained the same had the minimum retirement age increased by 46 days per cohort between the 1918 cohort and the 1955 cohort.
    ==
    As for Medicare and Medicaid, you can add deductibles each year to keep total expenditure at a fixed share of personal income flow.
    ==
    NB, median total fertility rate since 1957 has been 2.0. We have a fertility deficit, but one which can be met with about 200,000 net immigrants per year. And, of course, there are adjustments in tax and regulatory codes you can make to encourage couples on the margin to have that extra kid.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Ralph L
    , @Mark G.
    , @guest007
  153. @Corvinus

    Mexico is run by white supremacists

    Citations required.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  154. MGB says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Francis Bacon, Reg.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  155. @guest007

    Hopkins Hospital has a large parking garage across the street, connected by an enclosed, elevated walkway. But you still have to drive through the ‘hood to get there and deal with all the “squeegee kids,” i.e., feral Black! kids who accost you and demand you pay them to smear/clean your windshield.

    • Replies: @guest007
  156. @nebulafox

    Will you be helping Trump’s lawyers cross examine Stormy Daniels?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  157. @AceDeuce

    Reagan is also very lucky that Hinckley used a .22; Jim Brady not so much. John Lennon got shot with a .357 and he never made it to the hospital.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  158. KXEL-AM (1540 in IA) for the next three weeks is dedicating their Radio’s Golden Age ‘s Sunday programming to each year of WW II. Last week was dedicated to 1942, and should still be availible on their podcast; at least it was today, if anyone is interested.


    https://kxel.com/podcasts/

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  159. Another rape victim in Greece, and it was a Pakistani.

    Illegal Immigrants like Pakistanis in Greece & Europe bring their imbred mentally ill mindset and have trouble assimilating with the cultures.

    Pakistani men suffer from Necrophilia.
    That means they f@ck dead female bodies.

    They also have a rape culture.

    They also sodomize dogs, sheep, in Greece.

    They sleep in homes of 10-15 and take turns hanging each other.

    This is who you are allowing into your counties.

    They must be removed from Greece.

    This post is not racist, it’s logical, can be backed by data, and truthful.

    They are subpar humans and Pakistanis having been complaining about these mentally challenged people in their culture for ages.

    What do they do? They ship them out to white culture.

    Our aversion to not wanting to upset the world, and white shame is taking us down as a society.

    Get rid of them, or the people will rise and remove them.

  160. @Joe Stalin

    Let’s go Brandon!

    How’s this for an election poster?

    [MORE]

  161. @Wade Hampton

    I don’t think the conservatives who show up for the future will see it as their duty to keep their enemies from killing themselves.

  162. Ralph L says:
    @Art Deco

    Encouraging suicide by the old or chronically ill will be the successor to WWT. It’s already started in Europe and Canada.

    • Replies: @guest007
  163. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Now you’re just 🤡 ing.

  164. @Art Deco

    Go back and read the remembrances of the friends who knew him. I recall a couple off the top of my head who said they thought he was a genius: Kevin Lynch and Robert Royal. Buckley said he had “singular powers” and Richard Brookhiser compared him to Milton. Jarod Taylor doubted he would ever meet a man of such gifts again. Matt Scully called him “our era’s master of plain English prose.” Any era’s master definitely ranks as a genus. And I would specifically say literary genius due to his ability to memorize great literature. The folks at National Review said he never had to work at memorizing Shakespeare, he just knew it by heart after deeply imbibing it. He could even recite Coriolanus.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Art Deco
  165. Mr. Anon says:

    OT – Attention, white Americans. This is your future as a minority:

    Not only are you responsible for knowing how to pronounce every name from every language on Earth, but nobody will care if they pronounce YOUR name correctly.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  166. Mark G. says:
    @Art Deco

    The ratio of workers to retirees is changing from 5 to 1 in 2000 to 2.5 to 1 in 2040. A good percentage of those younger workers will be low IQ immigrants and native Blacks who will generate little wealth to tax.

    Robert Kennedy Jr. recently said in a little over 10 years interest payments on the expanding national debt will equal all incoming tax receipts so you have to factor that in too. The thing most likely to get cut is our almost trillion dollar a year military. If we wanted to reform entitlements, we needed to do it before the Boomers retired. It is too late now.

    This is going to be a much poorer country in the future. It will be an overcrowded country with diminishing natural resources and a low quality workforce. The nonwhite majority will support expropriating the wealth of the white minority.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @J.Ross
  167. @epebble

    Yeah. The decline is utterly stunning. It’s a civilization in full-on collapse.

    Look at this.

    Interestingly, “European” entertainment is eerily similar to “American” entertainment. Other than location and language/accent, there seems to be no significant differences between their entertainers and our entertainers. My understanding is in other parts of the world, like Latin America, there’s increasing similarity to what we have in the West.

    Here’s a performance from Sam Smith at the Grammy’s. Not so different from the above.

  168. @Mark G.

    If we wanted to reform entitlements, we needed to do it before the Boomers retired.

    We needed to do it before “the Boomers” were born. Goldwater was savaged for pointing that out– before the aforementioned “generation” could vote in 48 states.

  169. @AnotherDad

    What did you think of Istanbul? Mrs C and I have been thinking for several years of a trip there; next year might work well . . . .

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  170. @mc23

    Some say Kipling’s poem is self serving but in truth aren’t our invite the world policies just a different take on the messianic impetus of a Christian world view?

    Indeed.

    As I’ve been saying for years here, this is one manifestation of Substitute Savior Syndrome. In the West’s more energetic past, missionaries and world-changers and self-conscious raisers-up of the less advanced would at least make the effort to get on a boat and go minister to their subjects. But now, in the days of Amazon and DoorDash, it’s easier to just order them in.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  171. anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    And there are another half billion people in the world who would like to move to America–right now!

    It’s vastly more than 500 million, AD. It’s well into the billions.

    • Agree: Renard
  172. J.Ross says:
    @Mark G.

    The military plan is the economic plan.
    Pay no more tax than you need to. Spend no dime without reason. Build up your little means of survival. Let ’em all go to hell, except Cave 23. Become able to survive power outages. The only expansionist point is spreading word. Can’t move until enough word is spread. The man who tells you “we have to get inside those buildings,” or “screw your optics,” or “do something,” is trying to arrest you. Don’t walk into his trap. Be smiling, behind a fence, with weapons and food and oldtech, when he is rolled by on that … damn I’m getting old but it’sthe wagon that takes you to be hanged. Want to call it a gambrel, but that’s a barn roof.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @Gordo
  173. J.Ross says:
    @Joe Stalin

    “Yes, doctor, I’m certain that it’s been three hours!”

  174. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Go back and read the remembrances of the friends who knew him. I recall a couple off the top of my head who said they thought he was a genius

    You need to understand something: The Jews didn’t like him.

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
  175. Anonymous[588] • Disclaimer says:
    @36 ulster

    I take it you’ve missed out on his post October 7th histrionics and worship of Israel.

  176. @MGB

    Well, we have a Baconian as well as an Oxfordian! I’ll let you two hash it out. The Russians prefer a third candidate, Roger Manners, Earl of Rutland. IIRC, he is one of those who have no writings extant. Plausible unfalsifiability! The German who first proposed him believed Southampton wrote the tragedies, Rutland the rest. That would make them literally “comedies of Manners”!

    Enough. This is taking time away from mourning Roger Corman.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @MGB
  177. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Not only are you responsible for knowing how to pronounce every name from every language on Earth, but nobody will care if they pronounce YOUR name correctly.

    I should have said incorrectly.

  178. @Joe Stalin

    Bette Davis was furious at Errol Flynn who didn’t want to bang her. Can’t blame the man.

  179. Hibernian says:
    @guest007

    The University of Chicago considered moving to Williams Bay WI, Aspen, or Santa Barbara, circa 1945-1965.

  180. @Reg Cæsar

    I didn’t know he passed away. Well, R.I.P.

    I saw just a few of his movies & didn’t like them, especially St.Valentine & Richtofen. He is one of those directors I simply cannot find any connection with.

    In that respect, Wes Anderson is much worse- for me. I saw 3-4 of his famous films & couldn’t care less for any one of them. Not that I think they are bad. Just- completely indifferent.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  181. guest007 says:
    @deep anonymous

    Johns Hopkins Hospitals have three campuses inside the city of Baltimore. Even if they try to isolate the campuses from the surrounding neighborhoods, the organization has to spend a lot of security to keep out unwanted people and that is very hard to do for a hospital. Also, most of the low level employees (environmental services, patient transport, nutrition are hired from the local neighborhood.

    • Agree: deep anonymous
  182. guest007 says:
    @Art Deco

    One should look up the recent book by Tim Carney on fertility and the academic work of Lyman Stone. There is no policy solution to fertility in the western world. In reality, how can one get fertility to go up when more than 50% of the law school students and medical school students are female?

    And there is no amount of policy hand waving that is going to fix social security when considering the demographic trends of the U.S. Increasing the retirement age is one of the reasons that disability claims are going up. People are trying to find a way to bridge the gap until they are eligible for social security.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  183. guest007 says:
    @Ralph L

    If one is really interested in end of life issues, one can start by watching Extremis on Netflix.

    https://www.netflix.com/title/80106307

    And then one should go volunteer with a hospice group to find out what the issues really are.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  184. @Anonymous

    “You need to understand something: The Jews didn’t like him.”

    In fact, Sobran pithily explained how “anti-Semitism” had been redefined. To paraphrase, he said that whereas the term originally described someone who hates Jews, it now describes someone the Jews hate.

  185. @J.Ross

    They cut him off before.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  186. @Bardon Kaldian

    He is one of those directors I simply cannot find any connection with.

    Did he direct that many? He was more of a mentor-producer, giving a lot of young talent their first break, outside the system. I can respect him for that. In the same way I can respect Arnold Schoenberg for moving right rather than left politically, or Ani DiFranco for staying in Buffalo long after she needed to, without having to embrace their œuvres.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  187. Mike Tre says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “Nobody here, as far as I can tell, is saying to put the problems of the Palestinians ahead of our own. ”

    If you venture into the comments sections of articles published on the front page of Unz, you will find dozens of commenters who do just that*, and some of them occasionally venture into SS’s section. Greta Handel or whatever his/her name is is a good example.

    “We are saying that the Palestinians are Israel’s problem, and that we shouldn’t put Israel’s problems ahead of ours.”

    Actually, aside from myself, YOU and maybe 2-3 others are the only other one I can remember specifically saying as much.

    “And, bear in mind, that a lot of the people who tell us that we should be very concerned with the problems of our best little buddy in the near east, ”

    That is absolutely true and those people are called out daily to the point where certain commenters (paging cagey beast) seem to think I lead the vanguard in anti-jew/Israeli condemnation. For myself, I have several comments flushed per month by our host as I suppose my noticing of our greatest ally’s obscene hypocrisy is just too much.

    *AFIAC, anyone who says “we are all Palestinians now” is putting them first.

  188. Art Deco says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    Your genius produced a mess of topical commentary and an eccentric work of literary history. If he produced any imaginative literature, it’s either unpublishable or squirreled away by his children for some obscure reason. AFAICT, he was never employed anywhere as a teacher. He could have used a steady income after Buckley canned him in 1993, but no place appears to have hired him. The Rockford Institute does not appear to have had enough income to put him on salary.
    ==
    Some of Eastern Michigan University’s annuals are digitized and available online, including those from the seven year period during which he was a registered student now and again. I’ve not yet found one which puts him in a graduating class.
    ==
    What’s leaked out to members of the general public suggests that Sobran in his mundane life was a mess who did very peculiar things and had only a spotty influence on the worldview of his children.

  189. A Britpop musician talking sense? Who’da thunk it?

    Pelosi rebuked to her face during Oxford debate after condemning Americans clouded by ‘guns, gays, God’

    “Today, particularly in America, the globalist left have become the establishment,” he continued. “I suppose for Mrs. Pelosi to have taken this side of the argument, she’d be arguing herself out of a job.

    Marshall went on to claim that “populism is the voice of the voiceless” and that the “real threat to democracy is from the elites.”

    “Democracy” is the populism you like, “populism” the democracy you don’t. His use of Mrs is refreshing, by the way.

    Pelosi — a self-described “devout” Catholic

    Her very next words after “guns, gays, and God” show that she is indeed devout, but not Catholic. Marshall is a self-described “trustafarian”. In fact, the whole band Mumford & Sons has preppy roots, like classmates Steve Miller and Boz Scaggs over here.

    • Replies: @nomorecheese
  190. @Art Deco

    The Rockford Institute does not appear to have had enough income to put him on salary.

    The Institute once had Shakespeare as a theme for a weeklong seminar. Thomas Fleming said there was no way Sobran or any other authorship skeptic was going to be involved. James Patrick (RIP) admitted to being an Oxfordian in his youth, but got over it.

    Some of Eastern Michigan University’s annuals

    They will always be the Hurons to some of us. And to many, if not most, of the real Hurons. They didn’t ask for their name to be removed.

  191. Anonymous[446] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    People who refuse to have children because they believe the end of the world is nigh are of course not a new phenomenon in the history of the world.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  192. @J.Ross

    Want to call it a gambrel, but that’s a barn roof.

    It’s the tumbrel you don’t want to be getting on when we have our Reign of Terror.

  193. @Mr. Anon

    I do wonder if, at NATO suggestion, the Baltic States are trying to deliberately provoke a Russian attack?

    OTOH it could just be the age-old female “let’s you and him fight” – other defence ministresses like Germany’s Annalena Bareback seem prone to it as well.

  194. MGB says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ok, Reg, I’ll give you space to grieve. Let me know when you’re up to it and I’ll send you my essay on Corman’s artistic influences,‘A directorship Controversy: Wasp Woman and the Hidden Hand of Ed Wood’.

  195. AceDeuce says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Lennon was killed with a .38.

  196. Anon[844] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wade Hampton

    The lefties are self-exterminating through abortion

    And your response is to try to force people who hate you to have more children? I see multiple self-destructive death cults here.

    not to mention injecting themselves vigorously with Fauci’s female-sterilizing death-vax

    Vax went through three years ago now, if there was any evidence of its sterilizing effect you’d have it by now. You don’t, of course. You can see how dumb it is by comparing anti-vax to race and IQ research. Despite suppression, there’s actual research on the latter, published by smart people in journals like Intelligence and Personality and Individual Differences. Anti-vaxxers can never provide any evidence.

  197. @Reg Cæsar

    The Catholic Church has had ample opportunity to disassociate itself from Nancy Pelosi. It has refused to do so. Thus, she is Catholic, no matter how you feel about it. If you don’t like that, leave the church.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @HA
  198. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Three Kings of Chickeraboo.

    Kipling was allegedly a true imperial believer though I have doubts. WS Gilbert was definitely skeptical of Britain’s imperial mission.

  199. AndrewR says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    This is what Uncle Ted called oversocialization. These people literally have no independent thoughts – only instructions from the hive.

  200. AndrewR says:
    @onetwothree

    Not sure how that’s an “unracist” example (or that there’s 100 million Irish people on earth), but these things have a way of sorting out in the wash. The Irish who left took resources from other groups in their host lands (mainly the US and UK, of course). And they cleared space for others to move into Ireland.

  201. @J.Ross

    I didn’t want to speculate, but personally I do think John’s parents — and that hack, local psychologist in my home town — bear some responsibility for what happened. They cut him off in the months before he tried to kill the president. They thought they were “forcing him to grow up” or something. The guy had problems, okay? If he at least could have come back to his home, like crazy, neurotic, genius me in the very same town, maybe, just maybe he wouldn’t have spiraled down as far as he did.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  202. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, it’s interesting. Thanks.

  203. Art Deco says:
    @guest007

    There is no policy solution to fertility in the western world.
    ==
    Thanks for the ex cathedra.
    ==
    In reality, how can one get fertility to go up when more than 50% of the law school students and medical school students are female?
    ==
    About 1% of the working population consists of physicians and lawyers and women in both professions have been known to have children.
    ==
    And there is no amount of policy hand waving that is going to fix social security when considering the demographic trends of the U.S.
    ==
    There has been no secular decline in the size of birth cohorts.
    ==
    Increasing the retirement age is one of the reasons that disability claims are going up.
    ==
    The first cohort to receive Social Security benefits was the 1875 cohort. The most recent to receive full Social Security benefits is the 1957 birth cohort. The age of eligibility over those 82 cohorts increased by all of 18 months. (The life expectancy of a person of 65 has increased by 4 years since 1970).
    ==
    Disability benefits did not exist at all prior to 1957 – at a time when people tended to retire later when a much higher share of the population worked in agriculture and industry, and when life expectancy at age 50 was lower. More people are over the age of 50, and that’s going to influence the frequency of disability claims, but you have other factors at work there.
    ==
    One is the inner-ringer environment. The congressional aides, the lawyers, the hearing examiners, the advocacy groups are all in favor of making standards more lax. Again, a quarter of those awarded benefits have been awarded them for psychiatric disorders which are exacerbated by retirement.
    ==
    The population awarded disability benefits is almost a 50-50 split between men and women, in spite of the fact that men are more likely to have manual jobs and men have a lower life expectancy at age 50. The households on disability are quite different now than they were 50 years ago, when it was vastly more common to have a spouse or a dependent child.

    • Replies: @Anon
  204. nebulafox says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    I’d be a damn shot better than his current help!

  205. @guest007

    Don’t know what the Netflix movie shows, but we should be careful to distinguish between end-of-life hospice decisions and assisted suicide. People make difficult end-of-life decisions such as forgoing heroic life-saving measures, forging further treatments for some illnesses, decisions as to how much pain medication to administer, etc. That is a world apart from doctor assisted suicide.
    The Netherlands is far down the road of doctor assisted suicide. Breaking earlier promises and reassurances, they are now pushing suicide for people with depression, people who are young and have no life-threatening or painful medical conditions who have instead psychological complaints. And the assisted suicide crowd have always wanted suicide for the mentally retarded. Assisted suicide is not necessary for good end-of-life hospice care and is dangerous to our society.

    • Agree: MGB
    • Thanks: Gordo
    • Replies: @guest007
  206. MGB says:

    One is the inner-ringer environment. The congressional aides, the lawyers, the hearing examiners, the advocacy groups are all in favor of making standards more lax. Again, a quarter of those awarded benefits have been awarded them for psychiatric disorders which are exacerbated by retirement.

    If someone is receiving federal disability benefits, they simply turn into regular social security payments when they reach retirement age. You don’t get both.

  207. Anon[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    “Thanks for the ex cathedra.”

    He’s right though. Many governments try and nothing works. Note that “praise Jebus” is not a policy solution.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  208. @nomorecheese

    Thus, she is Catholic…
    If you don’t like that, leave the church.

    Why? She excommunicates herself. She’s the one who left. That the temporal authorities do nothing about it doesn’t change the fact any more than the purchase of indulgences would one’s afterlife.

    • Replies: @nomorecheese
  209. @Reg Cæsar

    Why? She excommunicates herself. She’s the one who left. That the temporal authorities do nothing about it doesn’t change the fact any more than the purchase of indulgences would one’s afterlife.

    Very Protestant attitude. The Catholic Church is a really big Protestant church, a democracy where everyone gets an opinion on what being Catholic means. Whereas in actual Catholicism there’s a church hierarchy you’re expected to defer to.

    Thankfully, we have freedom of religion in this country and if you don’t like it you can decide to be a Protestant (or an atheist) and nobody will stop you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  210. @Anonymous

    People who refuse to have children because they believe the end of the world is nigh are of course not a new phenomenon in the history of the world.

    This new book on non-reproduction-by-choice devotes a chapter to each of several common rationales, including this one:

    Without Children: The Long History of Not Being a Mother

    This morbid chapter tells of the Paiute collapse of the 1850s after the Mormons brought disease, and the Aroyeo one of the 1930s after a war between Bolivia and Paraguay. (Who weren’t fighting over coast!) It opens with Stephanie Mills’s 1969 commencement announcement at Mills College that she wasn’t going to have any children, which made the wires. (Do people say that anymore?)

    The author quotes her childless aunt, a contemporary of Miss Mills, asking, “Whatever happened to environmental reasons for not having children? That was the big thing with my feminist friends when I was younger.” Well…

    Garrett Hardin, the environmental activist who coined the term “abortion on demand”, was a white nationalists: the dozens of books and articles Hardin wrote about population control for environmental reasons are explicitly and proudly racist and ethno-nationalist, concerned not just about the number of Americans, but also about their skin color, cultural background, and what language they speak. For many on the political left, framing environmental concerns in terms of population became increasingly untenable.

    Including Stephanie Mills by 1974. It was only “a personal matter”. Chapter titles tell all:

    because we’ve always made choices
    because we’ll be on our own
    because we can’t have it
    because of the planet
    because we can’t
    because we want other lives
    Conclusion And if you’ll forgive me for asking why should we?

    • Replies: @epebble
  211. @Art Deco

    Well, Pat Buchanan said he was perhaps the finest columnist of his generation. (He was also his VP candidate at one point.) But I agree, Joe mostly wasted his time writing columns. But then, a lot of writers have wasted their time writing columns (and now Twitter). It’s an easier way to pay the bills, I guess.

    To really see how much time he wasted writing columns you have to go back and read his collection of essays from the Human Life Review called Single Issues. It’s as good of prose as has come out of the conservative movement. Would that someone had made him keep writing long essays.

    Jeffrey Hart called him the finest conversationalist he had ever met. That’s the pure talent a lot of people mean when they refer to his genius. Whatever else you can say about him, Bill Buckley knew a lot of people, but he said Joe was top two or three wittiest he’d ever met. (For no particular reason, I would add that Buckley said the most learned man he’d ever met was Revilo Oliver.)

    He did write a novella about a fellow who is mistaken for being the famous playwright known as “Shakespeare” and he tried to get it published under a pseudonym, but to no avail. I remember hearing that one of Bill Buckley’s sisters, I forget which one, thought it was very funny. Fran Griffin probably has a copy of it somewhere.

    He taught Shakespeare at Christendom College in Front Royal VA for a little while in the last years. He should have been there the whole time, I’ve often thought.

    I resent that you make him sound like a freak “who did very peculiar things.” Nope, sorry pal, not at all. He did have Beethoven’s knack for living midst something of a domestic landfill, and his daughter once told me she had no illusions that he was a saint. But to know Joe– which I did– was to love him. I’ll quote Matt Scully and end the matter on his words:

    After Bill Buckley died, people who knew I’d once worked at National Review asked about him, and I always told them that nothing about the man was overrated. When you grow up admiring a lofty public figure and then find on direct acquaintance that he’s even better than the image, when you remember his personal goodness more than his greatness, that’s something.

    My experience with Buckley’s greatest literary protégé, Joseph Sobran, was happy in a different way. To see all of that talent up close, as a colleague and friend, was a privilege. But, of course, by the time of Joe’s death on September 30, he was at no risk of an inflated reputation. And when people ask me if all they’ve heard and read about the man is true, the answer is no.

    Explaining our sense of loss to those who didn’t know Joe Sobran, or perhaps have only heard the name, is complicated, in large part because of Joe’s falling-out with Bill and the magazine some 20 years ago, and the lonely career path he followed from there. Dust off your copy of Bill’s In Search of Anti-Semitism for all the details; it was an awful, entirely avoidable departure from the place where Joe had thrived since 1972 as a contributor and senior editor. National Review might well have been the only place where he could have thrived, and in any case, he never did find a way back from “deadly banishment” (to borrow a phrase from Joe’s favorite author), or even think to try.

    • Thanks: Renard, Mark G., AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  212. epebble says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is a Christian sect in U.S. called ‘Shakers’ (a group that split off from the better-known Quakers), that has celibacy as a requirement for church membership. Naturally, the church can only continue with ‘immigration’ from non-shakers into the fold. They have not been very successful and there is only one community left in Maine.

    https://www.maineshakers.com/about/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  213. Gordo says:
    @J.Ross

    Cave 23 is a restaurant in Lisbon, or am I missing something?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  214. guest007 says:
    @rebel yell

    If one looks at the information that the government of the Netherlands puts out, there rules include Euthanasia, assisted suicide, and end of life care.

    https://www.government.nl/topics/euthanasia/euthanasia-assisted-suicide-and-non-resuscitation-on-request

    That policy is support by most of those in Netherlands.

    https://care.org.uk/news/2024/01/80-of-dutch-voters-support-allowing-euthanasia-for-those-who-feel-their-life-is-complete
    It is amazing that the reporter had to go outside the Netherlands to get an opposing quote

    About 5% of the deaths in the Netherlands fall under the policy.

  215. Art Deco says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    His parents do not bear any responsibility for his particular acts of crazy.
    ==
    As he had no employment history at age 27, you can wager that they were ineffective at dealing with him. Since he was a schizophrenic in a chronic state of psychosis, being effective at dealing with him would have required the assistance of the court system, the state mental hygiene apparat, and psychiatrists who were experienced with schizophrenic patients. Fat chance.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  216. Art Deco says:
    @Anon

    He’s wrong for reasons already stated.

  217. guest007 says:

    Steve,

    Something for you to look up

    They Came For the Schools https://www.amazon.com/They-Came-Schools-Identity-Classrooms-ebook/dp/B0CFM1F98S

    One can fill an entire Steve Sailer bingo card just from the terms in the 40 minute podcasts include black hair, CRT, Boston, Klan, nooses, and white flight. However, if one pays attention, the two things the author seems to really want to skip over are that much of white flight in Texas is caused by Hispanics (Mexican-Americans) and that the schools are a separate government from cities or counties.

    And the author is a public university graduate who is a long term beat reporter and is not Jewish apparently.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/they-came-for-the-schools/id1582213644?i=1000655534068

  218. Art Deco says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    I resent that you make him sound like a freak “who did very peculiar things.” Nope, sorry pal, not at all.
    ==
    When Buckley met him, he was (at age 25) enrolled at Eastern Michigan University by some accounts ‘studying Shakespeare’. EMU was not and is not a research institution, so he wasn’t writing a dissertation. He was married and had three children (with the fourth being born within a year). No clue how the Sobrans were paying their bills.
    ==
    He and the 1st Mrs. Sobran divorced in 1976. He remarried the following year to an administrator at Rutgers who had a considerable history as a factotum for prominent figures in the intelligentsia. (She helped to found The New Criterion and had worked as Sidney Hook’s research assistant, among other things). I think they were married for about a dozen years or so. She was 24 years his senior and had been married on three previous occasions.
    ==
    From 1993 to 2008 he attempted to earn a living as a freelance writer (while living in Fairfax County, Va. of all places). Fran Griffith took to running philanthropic benefits to keep him and his newsletter afloat. It’s difficult to retool at age 46, of course.
    ==
    There are other tidbits that were admitted in real time by Sobran and his friends. Such as his apartment being such a shambles that he couldn’t have guests over (Jared Taylor’s reminiscence) or him schlepping about with an expired driver’s license (he was quite upset at the TSA official who made an issue of this).
    ==
    He was quite adept at making a hash of things. I’ve made some hash of my own in this life, so I’m not inclined to be severe with Sobran. What’s regrettable about discussion of Sobran is the extent to which his advocates pretend someone other than Joseph Sobran was the author of Joseph Sobran’s problems in living (Wm. F. Buckley and Norman Podhoretz are usually sent the bill) or that Joseph Sobran’s problems in living are completely unmentionable (see Thos. Fleming’s rage that Sobran’s NYT obituary mentioned, parenthetically, that he was divorced).

  219. @nomorecheese

    Very Protestant attitude.

    Huh? It’s canon law. The Church excommunicates nobody, the individual excommunicates himself herself with his her actions. Twinkie is better versed on these things, so I’ll defer to him for explication, but it’s similar to the fact that there is one sacrament that women can administer, but priests and deacons cannot. In other words, most people get it wrong.

    Whereas in actual Catholicism there’s a church hierarchy you’re expected to defer to.

    They are under the same law.

    Thankfully, we have freedom of religion in this country…

    Yesterday, while researching whether Baltimore or Green Bay is the oldest city in the NFL (New York and Boston are older, but no longer qualify), I came across this sentence:

    Notably, St. Mary’s City is the earliest site of religious freedom being established in the United States, as it is the first North American colonial settlement established with a specific mandate of providing haven for people of both Catholic and Protestant Christian faiths.

    St. Mary’s City, Maryland

    That beats the Portsmouth Compact, of which two of my ancestors were signatories, by four years. It was the Catholic colony which pioneered religious tolerance! At least within Christendom– Portsmouth might still be the first place in the world to offer it to all faiths.

    1634. So Maryland wins in religious freedom. (But Wisconsin wins in football– St Mary’s City isn’t Baltimore.)

  220. Sean says:
    @guest007

    And if labor shortages cause wages to go up

    Even the youngest of the Boomers (largest generation ever) are barely begining to retire, yet real wages for workers have been falling for decades, and the border has been opened to legal immigration in an unprecedented way by Biden. College educated professionals vote Democrat but wokery has alienated the traditional supporters (including many non whites). On the other hand the Rep has ceased to be the party of the business class. who’d have liked Nikki Haley.

    Also, if labor shortages push wages up, companies will do even more to move jobs overseas

    In those jobs that it is not more profitable to replaced by investment in automation, companies might try to but to with the Trumpian trade policies of the next Rep president, whoever they are, business would be better off playing safe rather than plowing capital into uncertain investment in fixed assets abroad (ie in factories that cannot be brought back with them if and when things go wrong). Commercially sensitive know how transfer will provide the basis for future state sponsored competition from those countries in the high value added industries.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  221. Sean says:
    @guest007

    And if labor shortages cause wages to go up

    Even the youngest of the Boomers (largest generation ever) are barely begining to retire, yet real wages for workers have been falling for decades, and the border has been opened to legal immigration in an unprecedented way by Biden. College educated professionals vote Democrat but wokery has alienated the traditional supporters (including many non whites). On the other hand the Rep has ceased to be the party of the business class. who’d have liked Nikki Haley.

    Also, if labor shortages push wages up, companies will do even more to move jobs overseas

    In those jobs that it is not more profitable to replaced by investment in automation, companies might try to but to with the Trumpian trade policies of the next Rep president, whoever they are, business would be better off playing safe rather than plowing capital into uncertain investment in fixed assets abroad (ie in factories that cannot be brought back with them if and when things go wrong). Commercially sensitive know how transfer will provide the basis for future state sponsored competition from those countries in the high value added industries. Those states offer good terms to set up in their country because they plan to get into the same manufacturing line themselves.

  222. @epebble

    The Shakers never proselytized. They knew perfectly well their way of life wasn’t for everybody, or even beyond a tiny minority. So they were closer to an “order” than to a “sect”.

    Did they even recruit? Or did they expect you to approach them?

    • Replies: @epebble
  223. epebble says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This is their process:

    After a period of back and forth communication, we may extend an opportunity for you to visit the community and experience our rhythm of life.
    Multiple visits spread out over the course of a least a year will be necessary before one can proceed to the entering the community as a Novice. It is important that you understand who we are, and we understand who you are.

    If after this time an individual is extended an offer, it is at this point one can join the community. After a year, the Community meets together reviewing and voting to accept or reject the Novice as a Member.

    After a residence of five years one becomes a full Member of the Church. It is at this time that an individual consecrates all of their worldly possessions to the Community.

    Kindly contact [email protected] with any further questions

    Seems somewhat similar, in effort, to convert to Judaism. Their use of AOL for email suggests they may want to keep their feet planted firmly in 19th century.

  224. Art Deco says:
    @Sean

    yet real wages for workers have been falling for decades
    ==
    They haven’t been.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @guest007
    , @epebble
  225. @Art Deco

    I agree.

    However, with effort and the help of a good psychiatrist, it was possible to have someone certified and committed then. That didn’t happen in his case, did it?

    … you can wager that they were ineffective at dealing with him.

    Duh.

    Instead, he was left to wander around the country with his delusions. His parents had the means and the access to better professionals to get that done, but they didn’t do it.

    I don’t see him as innocent, but he certainly was (and still is?) crazy. Some say he got off easy because he was confined to a mental institution instead of a prison. Well, the Funny Farm is another way to keep someone confined against his will, like a prison.

    I know, because I was held for 72 hours 8 years later, after telling my own psychologist that I had bought a .357 Smith & Wesson and was thinking about killing myself. The mental institution might as well have been a prison: You are surrounded by crazy people. You are watched constantly and reported on by attendants (guards.) You see some of your fellow patients (inmates) being forced and locked into padded cells (solitary confinement.) You eat scary-awful food of questionable nutritional value that is wheeled in on a cart by a fat man. (“Twelve Inches of Paradise.) You are made to take drugs too. (I don’t even know what they were.)

    Before that little experience, 3 years before Hinkley in fact, Boulder police offered to help me have my mother committed. They said it could be done and that they would help me. I had called them to our home a few times when she was crazy drunk and destructive. I could have had her placed in an institution, but I didn’t. At least she didn’t go try to assassinate anybody.

    My point is just to show that “the assistance of the court system, the state mental hygiene apparat, and psychiatrists” did indeed exist then in Colorado.

    But again, I agree with your basic point, and I will retract what I said about others having some responsibility. It’s just that had they done something else, history might have been different. The systems of support did actually exist to do something.

    BTW, I watched a fairly recent interview that a Denver TV reporter did with John. My impression is that Hinckley is still someone who is not a sympathetic figure, and that he doesn’t really seem to take real, full responsibility or have much feeling about what he did. Maybe he isn’t capable of that. Still a few cards missing. Maybe also a bit of a cold asshole on the inside. Hey, maybe he’s a psychopath too. Maybe he should serve the rest of his life in an institution. It’s settled: I won’t defend him, and I won’t blame his family.

    Are you happy now?

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
  226. Sean says:
    @Art Deco

    The largest working generation ever (and reduction in the power of organised labour) may have naturally suppressed wages, it could hardly have drawn immigrants in the way guest 007 suggested as an explaination. Relative to profits, wages most certainly have fallen, and done so despite gains in productivity.

    • Replies: @guest007
  227. @Art Deco

    his advocates pretend someone other than Joseph Sobran was the author of Joseph Sobran’s problems in living

    No, he isn’t. The true author is the Earl of Burford, son of and heir to the 14th Duke of St Albans.

  228. On the other hand, DEI seems to be fading in 2024.

    There is a joke on the dissident right about “they’re putting the woke away.”

    I don’t think the DIE/DEI is fading so much as retreating to its usual redoubt in the academy. Wealthy Jewish donors were able to take a very few scalps arising from the proxy war being waged on campus between the institutional Democratic party and its base under the banner of Israel v. Palestinians (in one case aided by a precisely timed academic honesty scandal), but the replacements have been “the new boss, same as the old boss” with regard to DIE/DEI. There are Left dissidents like the Red Scare gals who give criticisms of DIE/DEI and who mock it, but they are a rather distinct numerical minority.

    DIE/DEI was formerly and in a less potent form “PC,” which in much the same way swept in to mainstream American life largely via Human Resources in employment and the institutionalization of a diversity apparatus in the academy. When the inevitable backlash occurred as evidenced by outward mockery in such cultural artifacts as “PCU,” PC retreated back into the academy where it festered and metastasized with government subsidies as identity-based sinecures grew.

    Much like BLM was an operation at the end of reigns held by people with a serious interest in getting Democrats elected, the foregrounding of DIE/DEI is able to be throttled in view of an election.

  229. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    When the inevitable backlash occurred as evidenced by outward mockery

    I remember an earlier wave in the early 90s. The 1993 Whitney Biennial may have been the crest. It was widely mocked.

  230. guest007 says:
    @Art Deco

    Richard Reeves in his book Of Boys and Men pointed out:

    “The wages of most men are lower today (in real terms) than they were in 1979.”

    Correcting for inflation, the purchasing power of the wages of most men has not gone up or has not risen. It is why blue collar whites live in the exurbs or in more rural areas.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  231. guest007 says:
    @Sean

    Illegal immigration always becomes an issue during the end of boom times because the boom times create a market for the low paid labor of immigrants (legal and illegal) and when the recession begins, those immigrants generally do not go home.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Sean
  232. J.Ross says:
    @Gordo

    You are deprived, it’s one of the funniest things Mel Brooks amd Carl Reiner ever did.

    • Thanks: Gordo
  233. epebble says:
    @Art Deco

    Median household income, adjusted for inflation (2022 dollars), has gone up from less than $60,000 in 1985 to $75,000 in 2020. That is 25% increase over 35 years. Less than 1% increase per year. That is why it appears to have not gone up. It has gone up, though imperceptibly.

    https://usafacts.org/articles/what-is-the-median-household-income-in-the-us/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  234. @Art Deco

    You can say Joe made a hash of things, or you can say (more charitably) that he lived with a certain dysfunction of the psyche. But what you can’t say is that he was some hack writer whose career was not worth fight for.

    Our debate was the question of whether or not Joe was a great writer. The brightest lights on the Right seem to unanimously agree that he was. One line just happens to come to mind, from the piece of his that Peter Brimelow published posthumously, “Getting to Know WFB.” Speaking of Richard Brookhiser, Joe wrote:

    His treatment of me is generally much too kind. This isn’t modesty speaking; it’s two-fisted conscience.

    He need not be heard from who can’t detect the touch of the master in that last sentence.

    Why did his output decline? Tom Bethel explained:

    He was the intellectual equivalent of a natural athlete who can reach Olympic standards with no training. Later, as he puts on a few years and a few pounds, the athlete loses it, and he has no discipline or good habits to fall back on. That is what happened to Joe, more or less.

    As for his personal life, the mess amidst which he lived, his trouble with the IRS, sundry incidents like the time he brandished a toy gun at another driver while harried in traffic, all that, while true, is far less relevant than the fact that his career was overthrown because of Jewish power. The length to which his enemies went to ensure he wasn’t heard is a history Peter Brimelow, for one, has said would be worth reading about.

    Was he the author of his own misfortune? Well, yes—we usually are. But don’t conflate his personal travails with the assassination of his career, as if the fact of the former vindicated the latter. Let’s be clear: Joe won the debate. If that’s not obvious now, in God’s good time, it will be.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  235. @Buzz Mohawk

    I read the book that Hinckley’s parents wrote after the assassination attempt.

    His parents, who had two perfectly ordinary older children, had no idea the depths of his mental problems. He wasn’t an obvious hearing-voices schizophrenic. He just seemed unfocused and immature.

    They took him to a psychiatrist who also completely failed to recognize how crazy he was. He lied to both his parents and the psychiatrist, saying he had a girlfriend (he didn’t) and saying not a word about his infatuation with Jodi Foster.

    The shrink thought he was immature and needed to grow up. He told them to kick him out of the house.

    The father agreed, the mother didn’t but deferred to her husband and the shrink. Shortly after that, he made the assassination attempt.

    The parents were stunned but hired lawyers to defend him at the trial. He was still obsessing over Foster at the trial. He came across as unhinged. That’s why he got off with insanity. He was locked up for decades at an institution for the criminally insane.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @AceDeuce
  236. Art Deco says:
    @guest007

    You can actually examine government data yourself and not rely on secondary sources.

    • Replies: @guest007
  237. Art Deco says:
    @guest007

    Illegal immigration is an issue because the current administration has erased the Southern border in order to use illegals as a vote farm.

    • Agree: Frau Katze, David In TN
  238. Art Deco says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    But what you can’t say is that he was some hack writer whose career was not worth fight for.
    ==
    Why not issue that instruction to someone who did say that?
    ==
    Our debate was the question of whether or not Joe was a great writer.
    ==
    No it wasn’t. I took exception to your calling him a ‘literary genius’.
    ==
    is far less relevant than the fact that his career was overthrown because of Jewish power.
    ==
    In your imagination only. He was fired by Buckley for insubordination. What he didn’t realize is that his ancillary income was contingent on his position at National Review, so he was left with nothing. What you’re not getting is that National Review functioned as a sheltered workshop for Sobran. Fran Griffin did not have the wherewithal to assist him in this way. There wasn’t enough of a market for his work to allow him anything more than a hand-to-mouth existence and he did not have any developed skills in the other things freelance writers do to make rent (such as write ad copy).

  239. Sean says:
    @guest007

    I do not think it is about the immigrants already in the country, who can benefit from a shortage of labor like anyone else, but rather the planned massive increase in immigration to suppress wages in the coming shortage of those willing to continue doing certain jobs at current real wage levels. The youngest boomers turn 65 this year, it will be the largest ever reduction in the workforce.

    Supply and demand would suggest that without a massive increase in immigration there must be wage inflation in those many jobs–such as construction, agriculture and low level service ones–that cannot be outsourced. Moreover, it is much cheaper for a company to plead a skills shortage and be allowed to bring in already skilled immigrants than recruit and train workers within the country

    Clearly labor having bargaining powers would be intolerable for the business class, as workers in more skilled jobs would get ideas, maybe even get organised. Presenting the reduction in the labor force as a rationale for massive increase in immigration, sectional corporate interests are going to be framed as global utility by hireling economists.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
  240. @Frau Katze

    Yes. Thank you. That is a clear account. I will defer to your description.

  241. Ralph L says:
    @Sean

    The youngest boomers turn 65 this year

    Sixty! (I’m not dead, yet) The Baby Boom went on through 1964.

  242. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @epebble

    Median household income, adjusted for inflation (2022 dollars), has gone up from less than $60,000 in 1985 to $75,000 in 2020.

    $75,000 is a lot of dough. I would have guessed the median was far less, maybe as low as $50,000. Americans are actually very rich, especially compared to the rest of the world. It is a very wealthy country.

    • Replies: @epebble
  243. What force is more powerful than envy?

    (Explains why non whites have managed to shield themselves from the circular firing squad.)

    Unfortunately, petty grievances between whites provides the shields for those envious turds. The solution is more simple, really, than relying on intellectual righties to figure out.

    What’ll end up happening is the precipice of “mutually assured destruction” once shit shits the fan. By sitting around idly whilst those no-good demokrats were ushering in THEIR future mortal enemies, we failed to save them from themselves.

    We knew what was going on the whole time, and the left was too busy winning battles in liberal courts.

    This is all our fault. Let’s learn to envy more for motivation.

  244. guest007 says:
    @Art Deco

    Why look dig through the data when someone has already done it. If one believes that Reeves is wrong, feel free to provide a cite or analysis to show that he is wrong. However just stating that what Reeves is wrong with no basis for that claim makes no sense.

  245. HA says:
    @nomorecheese

    “The Catholic Church has had ample opportunity to disassociate itself from Nancy Pelosi. It has refused to do so.”

    One doesn’t have to be a believer of any kind to find this a deeply silly argument, but it especially so when applied to an institution that, like the Catholic church, has been around thousands of years. You should read (or better incorporate) some early church history, which is useful advice for anyone interested in where Western civilization is heading today. If you do that, you’ll have to admit that there are pluses and minuses to the approach you advocate and for the first few centuries of Christianity, Christians largely followed the approach you advocate of “disassociating”. The resulting fratricidal mix of Donatists, Arians, Judaizers, Nestorians, anti-Chalcedonites, and a whole alphabet soup of others, was one that Muslims were able to mow down in a generation or two, much like the perpetually dividing branches of post-Westphalian Christianity have proven to be a poor bulwark against the forces of modernism (though given how rapidly the latter are themselves hiving off into competing grievance committees, I’m not sure what the outcome of that will be).

    I.e., thanks a lot for your opinions, genius, but been there, done that.

    The scandal of Pelosi is nothing new, and is much akin to the lavish funerals afforded to numerous mafia dons who pitched a ducat or two into the church coffers as death approached (0r to numerous notoriously debauched bishops, cardinals and popes). That kind of thing rightfully enrages the faithful, but if history is any guide, Catholics ought to tread lightly, because the purity brigades and gatekeepers and Madame Defarges leading the outcry will also have a lot to answer for.

    And for what it’s worth, I’m pretty sure the Catholics don’t send out a squadron of church ladies to excommunicate every convicted murder, thief, and child-rapist as soon as “we find the defendant guilty” is formally announced. Again, you don’t have to be e believer to understand that that isn’t how it works.

    • Replies: @HA
  246. epebble says:
    @Anonymous

    It depends on where one lives. In most places, yes, $75,000 is plenty good to live well. But in metro NYC, Silicon Valley, metro Seattle etc., you can barely live on that. Unfortunately, the median may be skewed by the large number of people living in high cost of living areas – giving an appearance of affluence.

  247. HA says:
    @HA

    ” The resulting fratricidal mix of Donatists, Arians, Judaizers, Nestorians, anti-Chalcedonites,…”

    Oh, and how could I forget the iconoclasts? That seems a swell cause to wage a few wars over while the Muslims were gearing up. Yeah, they really thought that through well.

    The Christopher Hitchens types are quick to ridicule Christians because they, in defiance of a Messiah who supped with tax collectors and whores and sinners in general, are quick to ostracize and shun one another in their eagerness to be sanctimonious and holier-than-thou, but now it seems there are still others who want to ridicule Christianity for not having enough of that. It’s my understanding that in Eastern rites, excommunications and ostracism are regarded more kindly, to the extent that different factions regularly brandish brooms at one another over in Jerusalem and Bethlehem depending on which church, gerrymandered among rival jurisdictions, needs repairs, as non-Christians gleefully look on.

  248. @Art Deco

    What he didn’t realize is that his ancillary income was contingent on his position at National Review, so he was left with nothing.

    You think he lost his syndicated column and his radio spot because all they wanted was someone who also wrote for NR? That does not seem likely to me. Joe was the most popular writer at NR, he was their “slugger.” There was more of a market for him than many other opinion journalists. He was blacklisted by the Jews, plain and simple. Go ahead and ask Peter Brimelow about that, he’s seen what they do.

    But yes, given his disposition, NR pretty much did amount to a “sheltered workshop” as you say, which is why Matt Scully said it was “probably the only place where he could have thrived.” But you’re off about after NR. He finished his book, for one. Clinton was a worthy target. He was pretty much fine with Fran. His newsletter was discontinued only a few years before he passed, by that time his diabetes had gotten the best of him and he had run out of gas.

    In retrospect, they should have plugged him into blogging. He had a knack for those quick editorial roundups at the front of NR. He could have sat back and spun those out all day on a Joe Sobran blog. He would have found energy on the internet and it might have given him a second life. If Steve has been able to get by on donations, Joe Sobran probably could have as well.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  249. @guest007

    They also warn/threaten us that these people will be taking care of us in nursing homes. I think everyone has seen how that works out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Chemirmir

    • Thanks: Frau Katze
  250. Curle says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Much like BLM was an operation at the end of reigns held by people with a serious interest in getting Democrats elected

    Describe these people.

  251. Curle says:
    @Polymath

    due to Antifa threats of violence.”

    and find out the identity of the people behind all these threats,

    Weird, isn’t it. Antifa starts riot in City and FBI says they don’t really exist. Remember the FBI answer to the Summer of Floyd? Antifa, what Antifa? The REAL problem is White Supremacists.

    Our institutions are captured.

  252. AceDeuce says:
    @Frau Katze

    The parents were stunned but hired lawyers to defend him at the trial. He was still obsessing over Foster at the trial. He came across as unhinged. That’s why he got off with insanity.

    He got off with insanity because the crime and the trial were in DC, and a DC jury of 11 blacks and one White woman (blacks hated Reagan) along with a black judge got him off. The case was so egregious that there was a public outcry, no thanks to the media spinning it, but more importantly, many powerful people made reform of the existing insanity laws a priority:

    The jury acquitted Hinckley of 13 assault, murder, and weapons counts, finding him not guilty by reason of insanity. There was an immediate public outcry against what many perceived to be a loophole in the justice system that allowed an obviously guilty man to escape punishment. There were widespread calls for the abolishment, or at least the substantial revision, of the insanity-plea laws.

    THE INSANITY DEFENSE REFORM ACT OF 1984

    After the Hinckley acquittal, members of Congress responded to the public outrage by introducing 26 separate pieces of legislation designed to abolish or modify the insanity defense. At the time of Hinckley’s trial, all but one federal circuit had adopted the A.L.I. “substantial capacity” test, and all the new proposals were aimed at creating a stricter federal standard that would avoid acquittals like Hinckley’s in the future.

    The debates on this legislation reflected the public’s indignation over the Hinckley decision. Sen. Strom Thurmond criticized the insanity defense for “exonerat[ing] a defendant who obviously planned and knew exactly what he was doing.” Sen. Dan Quayle claimed that the insanity defense “pampered criminals,” allowing them to kill “with impunity.”

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/crime/trial/history.html

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
  253. @The Last Real Calvinist

    What did you think of Istanbul? Mrs C and I have been thinking for several years of a trip there; next year might work well . . . .

    Apologies for the delay.

    I’m not really a useful guy to ask. I’m just not a natural urbanite. I don’t love dodging traffic, pushing my way through crowds. I hate lines–for the tourist stuff. I enjoy food, but am not really a foodie, and have zero desire to sit in some sidewalk cafe watching the people go by.

    My idea of vacation “ahh” is more like being on some sandstone ridge at Arches at sunset with no one in sight and the suns evening rays lighting and shadowing the landscape. Good times is sitting with family and friends for snack dinner, or sitting with my Uncle in Iowa having a beer maybe with some burgers on the grill.

    Istanbul. I liked seeing the geography that I’ve heard about my whole life–the Golden Horn, the Bosporus, the Sea of Marmara. (Probably the best single bit, was an evening stroll with the family along the Sea of Marmara.) I was interested to see the Hagia Sophia due to history. Interesting, but didn’t wow me. The basilica cisterns was again–mildly–interesting. The Blue Mosque definitely underperformed my expectations. (I think AnotherSon would have done better given the budget.) Our food–just ok, not great. (We just picked places with decent ratings.)

    Also this was a very quick–in and out–visit. Our target–i.e. AnotherMom’s target–is Italy. But Turkish had far and away the best fares. And now with AnotherSonInLaw everything is 6x–so fares matter. (Miami RT was 700-something which is half what the Orlando fare was so we drove down. Three more flew from Seattle for similar amount and I only had to pay high fare for AnotherDaughter who’s residency gives her a very tight schedule.)

    You and your wife will no doubt enjoy Istanbul just fine with more time, if you enjoy city tourism, especially if you enjoy the Mediterranean food. I do recommend you put yourself right in town in a b+b which is what we did. And Turkish is a good airline.

  254. Curle says:
    @AnotherDad

    Good times is sitting with family and friends for snack dinner, or sitting with my Uncle in Iowa having a beer maybe with some burgers on the grill.

    And a horizon to contemplate. I think Steve’s on to something with his golf course as viewscape idea.

  255. Curle says:
    @nebulafox

    The No Fat Chicks thing was dumb.

  256. Art Deco says:
    @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    He was blacklisted by the Jews, plain and simple.
    ==
    He lost his CBS radio commentary gig and his syndication after he was dismissed from National Review. His history of Joobabble in print antedated that by more than six years and by some accounts had triggered complaints to Buckley from other members of the magazine’s staff. Norman Podhoretz remonstrated with Buckley to unload him with scant effect until Sobran was insubordinate in print. Why waste the air if Podhoretz could just call up his Joo co-conspirators and ruin Sobran’s life that way?
    ==
    I have no clue how you got the idea that “Joe was the most popular writer at NR”. They didn’t have pageview data in 1984.
    ==
    Ron Paul ca. 1995 could generate $1 million in revenue from his newsletters and Sobran could not do much more than make rent from his. That will tell you how large was his actual constituency. And, yeah, you hang around with Mark Weber, it damages your brand. Tough.

  257. @AceDeuce

    I know there was an outcry. That’s partly why his parents wrote the book.

    His behaviour at the trial was crazy. He was still firmly convinced that Jodi Foster would be appearing anytime soon in response to the news.

    He got the idea from a movie called Taxi Driver featuring an assassin who wins the girl (played by Jodi Foster).

    He was removed from the courtroom more than once for bad behaviour: he would get upset if someone suggested he was delusional.

  258. @Art Deco

    I should have said Joe was BY FAR the most popular writer at NR. Everyone knew he had the brightest star. There was no question about that. I can tell you’re not really familiar with the things you’ve researched, so I would just let the point go, instead of getting hung up on the idea that Joe wasn’t considered a prodigy, because I can tell you for sure that he was, most of all by the people who knew him best. Talking about this made me go back today to the anthology they put out a dozen years ago from his articles for NR. Yep, nope—haven’t seen a writer like that over there since.

    And but so then he was forced to circulate an obscure newsletter. What does that tell you, really?

    I did think it was funny though the way Joe would admiringly refer to Ron Paul as a freak—“He’s a freak.”

  259. @Art Deco

    I should have been more clear when I said he was blacklisted by the Jews. I should have said he was blacklisted because of the Jews. Happy now? As for why exactly he was fired, I’m sure you know that he explained that quite clearly in his essay, How I Was Fired By Bill Buckley:

    Earlier that year, he’d taken me to dinner to warn me of the dangers of being “perceived,” as they say, as an anti-Semite. His book makes it sound like a long campaign to set me straight, but it wasn’t like that at all. Bill didn’t suggest I’d done anything wrong or that he disagreed with anything I’d written. But Norman Podhoretz was mad at me. That was enough. Later that evening when I told Bill about some Irish Catholic fans of mine who told me they prayed for me, he sneered, “You don’t need those people.” Bill denies having said this (I was fired for quoting it), but he said it, all right. In itself it would be a small thing, but it describes his own policy: ignore the Catholics, cultivate the powerful. (Try to imagine him writing a book against abortion.)

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
  260. @The Spiritual Works of Mercy

    I never heard of Joe Sobran before so I looked him up on Wikipedia. Apparently he was involved in Holocaust denial.

    Could explain his unpopularity with Jews.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Sobran

  261. @AnotherDad

    Thanks so much for your reply, AD — for someone who claims to be not useful for travel reviews, you’ve provided a lot of pertinent information.

    I’m a big fan of ancient history, so Istanbul has always been on my list. It’s disappointing to hear the food wasn’t better; I like the Mediterranean cuisine. Mrs C and I — not surprisingly, I suppose — are pretty much urban creatures at this point, so you’re probably right that the crowds won’t be that much of a problem for us.

    You had quite a challenge planning a trip for that many people — the costs really do pile up at an astonishing rate.

    We took Turkish Air for a trip from HK to Portugal and Spain last year, and thought it was fine. They are really flooding the market out here with affordable flights. Glad to hear they came through for you as well. Have an excellent time in Italy — of course, it’s hard not to . . . .

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