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Mr Snider always was a wiseman
Surprisingly, John Denver was on his side while Mike Love was not only on the other side but he also helped fund the PMRC!!!!
Mike Love has come off as total tool in every depiction I’ve ever seen of him
He’s always been a box of rocks. Dee Snider is a solid smart guy.
Thank you! You should see how we treat him in the beachboyscirclejerk group! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
it warms my heart that not only does everybody hate mike love, but that beach boys fans extra hate mike love lmao
Going over there right now to show my lack of support for that man
Mike Love could have learned a lot from Mike Tool.
He rented, and then trashed and then abandoned a house my folks owned. They sued him etc…. I told them they should have asked me first, I would have said to hard pass on a ‘rockstar’ tenant.
He’s the King of Cringe and ironically, the master of bad vibrations
Both Mike Love and Dennis Wilson put out a solo album at the same time. Dennis' far outsold Mike's. Really strange for the drummer's solo album to outsell the singer's
to add insult to injury he not only flirted with and eventually married Love's daughter but when that ended he did the same to his wife.
The Beach Boys had some awful shit going on behind the scenes.
Holy shit, hahah. This thread is teaching me that I really should read some Beach Boys history.
Unpopular opinion. John Denver’s appearance was the most effective. He was measured and humble and was a guy a lot of the congressmen could relate to. Dee and Zappa came off as smart asses. Don’t get me wrong, I loved their testimony, I just don’t think it was very effective.
Zappa WAS a smartass. Absolutely brilliant man that did not suffer fools, but because of that came off pretty sanctimonious, ironically.
Exactly lol, I loved the way he played them, but I don’t think he made anybody rethink their position.
Hard to get through a congressional meeting without suffering fools.
Zappa meets the Mother's of Prevention album was fun to listen to if you like Zappa. Especially because he took Fritz Hollings voice and put him on a rock record in " Porn Wars".
Senator Hollings? I've had the opportunity to ah... attend a, a showing you might say A presentation of ah, this Porn Rock as they call it In the tested pornography, one of the things to look at is that it does not have any redeeming social value Ah, there could be an exception here, because I haven't attended that presentation A redeeming social value, I find that it's inaudible I have a hard time understanding it and... And, Paul, since I travelled the country for three years and they said they couldn't understand me Maybe I could make a good rock-star, I don't know (erh)
In fairness, they invited Dee Snider because they thought he’d be an idiot they could then turn around and point to as an example of why more censorship is needed.
When he came out with an eloquent and well reasoned speech, it stopped that line of attack dead in its tracks.
All the contributors, Denver, Zappa, and Snider had a big influence.
The Dee Snider appearance gets the most attention now, but I always heard that John Denver was the most effective. He had the advantage that a lot of members of Congress at the time were actually fans of him.
"I mean if even John Denver says you have your head up your ass...DON'T you have your head up your ass?" - Jello Biafra, who was a later victim of PMRC tactics
John Denver went hard. I always thought that they invited him because "he's a really wholesome guy, that'll give us a musician on our side for this bullshit!" Then Denver drops this line that remains pertinent today:
"Mr. Chairman, the suppression of the people of a society begins, in my mind, with the censorship of the written or spoken word. It was so in Nazi Germany. It is so in many places today where those in power are afraid of the consequences of an informed and educated people."
(emphasis mine)
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion at all. He was the only one who even had a chance to change any of the minds in that room, because he looked like one of them and knew how to maintain decor. I love and admire Dee Snyder, but he could have come in that room with a sign that said 2+2=4 and none of those shitbags were gonna listen to him, because they weren't about to listen to someone who looks like Dee Snyder.
John Denver's appearance was more effective because they made a giant assumption he'd be on their side
And don't forget Zappa.
I didn’t forget. I just didn’t mention him. lol
That’s not surprising at all. John was a good guy.
yet another reason to hate mike love
It sure surprised Al Gore and his cronies, as did Dee Snider being thoughtful and articulate.
Mike Love being a dick should be surprising to no one.
My favorite moment from that senate hearing was when Dee Snider is really laying in on how stupid Tipper Gore and her cronies are for censorship music like this and the chair of the senate says
“Mr. Snider, you realize you’re insulting the wife of a US Senator right?”
To which Dee brilliantly replies
“No Mr. Chairman, I believe I am insulting the head of the PMRC”
Just 🤌🏽
A valid clarification to make in court that definitely wouldn't have crossed my mind in the moment. He was so good at making his points clear and specific.
Mister Sister*
"Alright, MISTER SISTER, I want you to tell me -- no, better yet, stand up and tell the class: WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE?!"
"I wanna rock!"
The rock hall disrespects rock more every year
such is our modern day culture. a crying shame. feels like my generation will soon forget about actual good music
I believe it will come back
Honestly at this point just call it what it is - The Rolling Stone Magazine Music Hall of Fame.
Rush didn't get in for years because the critics didn't get them. (and RS hated them)
Jethro Tull - Still not in.
Emerson Lake and Palmer - not in.
Bad Company - nope
Blue Oyster Cult - ha.
Some bands - Judas Priest in only as "Award for Musical Excellence" or some bullshit.
But Madonna is in. Dave Mathews Band is in. The list goes on....
Edit:
I am not ripping on or putting down any group or act. I simply gave two examples of entertainers who probably deserve to be in a "Music" or "Rolling Stone" HOF but not necessarily in the "rock and roll" hall of fame.
Both Madonna and Dave Mathews Band deserve to be in a "Music" HOF for sure. But are they worthy of the Rock and Roll HOF - especially when earlier acts who paved the way are not in.
Grand Funk, for fucks sake!
Yep — it is again time for my traditional fuck Jan Wenner comment
Fuck Jan Wenner.
Yes had to wait until Chris Squire was dead because Wenner hates prog.
Fuck him.
There must be some sort of tribute or royalty he gets paid in this.
prison style
Grand Funk isn't in the RnR Hall of Fame? The wild shirtless lyrics of Mark Farner? The bong-rattling bass of Mel Schacher? The competent drum work of Don Brewer? Oh, man!
sucks even more when you grew up near Flint, MI and watched the Simpsons
Play “Taking Care of Business!” Skip to the good part!
Don Brewer was far more than competent on the drums and vocals.
I’m your captain…goddamn masterpiece. One of my all time top ten favorite songs.
Absofreekinlutely!
Same here
For funk’s sake
Dick Dale, the King of the Surf Guitar who perfected the tremolo sound for rock artists for generations.
Also played the first 100w amplifier
I got to see Dick Dale at the Cabooze in Minneapolis in the early 2000's. I don't recall the year. He put on a great show.
I've never before, or after, heard an old man say "Bitchin'" more than Mr. Dale.
Also saw Dick Dale like 16 years ago. Such a great show, stood 5 feet in front me of the whole time.
Also recorded the first soundtrack for Space Mountain before it was replaced with the Giacchino composition.
Boston isn't in the "rock and roll" hall of fame. I don't care if you don't like Boston, you can acknowledge that they 100% deserve to be in there. Enormous influence in 70's and 80's rock.
Boston's debut album also happens to be a greatest hits album.
top 3 best debut album ever.
Boston's debit album is arguably the greatest debit album by a rock band. That album alone should have been enough for them to get in their first year of eligibility.
Black Sabbath created a genre and those “We wouldn’t know art if it was slapping us in the face with a dildo” posers at the R&R HoF still made them wait years after they became eligible
There was damn near a riot every year Rush didn't get inducted. They should have been in the Hall of Fame 10 years before they got inducted, but it got to the point they had no choice but to put them in.
They're an A-list band, but, like you said, Rolling Stone magazine hates them so they couldn't get a spot.
Can’t stand Rush, but even I know they are A-List.
I can listen to about half of any one of their songs . That's it.
Neil Pert is (was) one of the greatest drummers ever.
But Getty Lee's voice? Like nails on a chalkboard.
Neil Peart and Geddy Lee...and Alex Lifeson of course
Rush seems to be a love or hate band, but EVERYONE should agree that Pert is a g.o.a.t.
I would add ‘The Monkees’ to that list too. Mock them all you want, people listened to them. They bought their albums and sold rock to more of middle America.
They were a fake band at the beginning but could actually play and write music.
They absolutely belong for pet sounds alone.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not…
Help! was my favorite of theirs.
Don't forget Vol 4, Monkee Bloody Monkee and Paranoid
“Goin’ Down” is one of my favorite songs ever and definitely not what most people would think of when imagining a Monkees song. Mickey Dolenz kills it singing that song.
I still listen to them. But now it's just him. Micky Dolenz.
I’m cool with DMB being in. Tull not being in is criminal.
Sorry I was alive in the nineties with two ears connected to a heart.
Jethro Tull is the biggest travesty imo
And Three Dog Night
Really don't mind if you sit this one out….
It’d be nice if we actually knew what the criteria for getting in is
Missy Elliot is in it....so, yeah, call it the "Music Hall of Fame", and drop the pretense of "Rock and Roll" all together
There are some absolutely stellar soul artists like Al Green and The Spinners that I doubt would have referred to themselves as rock artists in their heyday.