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Paul from FFPaul from FF Posts: 2,046
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A new station using the name "Atlantic 252" has just been awarded a DSP licence by Ofcom, enabling it to launch on DAB (presumably SSDAB)
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radio-broadcast-licensing/monthly-updates/radio-broadcast-update-april-2024
It's owned by a bloke in Manchester who was a teenager in the 1990s.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/15462223

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    BollardBollard Posts: 3,457
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    ErwinErwin Posts: 2,658
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    Is that one of the 2 tribute station available online Giant Radio or Atlantic 252 Classics?
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    CiderMonsterCiderMonster Posts: 1,256
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    Media Expert ... jings, he's no shy! :wink:

    There was some chat on the Long Wave Radio Atlantic 252 Facebook group the other day, personally it doesn't bother me if it was done right, similar to how the Laser558 station is being done, and let's face, the current tribute stations are pretty honking (and The Giant changes it's name every couple of weeks!)
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    SmylersSmylers Posts: 1,257
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    personally it doesn't bother me if it was done right

    But how can it be done right? Long Wave Radio Atlantic 252 of the 90s had a tight playlist of current chart pop repeated every 3 hours, with a sprinkling of recent-ish songs, but almost nothing over 3 years old — at a time when the charts were fast-moving, with many high new entries each week, and there were no national commercial stations playing pop music (or indeed, none at all when it launched).

    If a new station tries that now, it'll end up badly imitating Capital or Hits on a much lower budget, providing no particular reason to listen — and will struggle with the music programming because of the nature of the charts these days (few new releases, many of the same tracks hanging around for months), while being of no interest to anybody old enough to remember the original station it's taken the name of.

    Or if it plays 90s music, trying to appeal to listeners of its namesake, it it would struggle to sound Long Wave Radio Atlantic 252 did “then” because their playlist updated so frequently. You could programme a day which sounded like 252 did in a specific month of its existence. But you couldn't make it sound like it did “in the 90s”, because there's no such thing: either you're playing All That She Wants, Sweat (a La La La La Long), Informer, and Young at Heart every few hours, or you're playing Don't Speak, Lovefool, Drop Dead Gorgeous, and I Believe I Can Fly — but not a mixture of both.†

    I was a big fan of Long Wave Radio Atlantic 252. I still sometimes wear one of their T-shirts. But, fond as I am, I don't see how it's possible to bring it back in any meaningful sense.

    † And you probably don't want to be playing the last of those at all, anyway.
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    Walt HamWalt Ham Posts: 770
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    Smylers wrote: »
    personally it doesn't bother me if it was done right

    But how can it be done right? Long Wave Radio Atlantic 252 of the 90s had a tight playlist of current chart pop repeated every 3 hours, with a sprinkling of recent-ish songs, but almost nothing over 3 years old — at a time when the charts were fast-moving, with many high new entries each week, and there were no national commercial stations playing pop music (or indeed, none at all when it launched).

    If a new station tries that now, it'll end up badly imitating Capital or Hits on a much lower budget, providing no particular reason to listen — and will struggle with the music programming because of the nature of the charts these days (few new releases, many of the same tracks hanging around for months), while being of no interest to anybody old enough to remember the original station it's taken the name of.

    Or if it plays 90s music, trying to appeal to listeners of its namesake, it it would struggle to sound Long Wave Radio Atlantic 252 did “then” because their playlist updated so frequently. You could programme a day which sounded like 252 did in a specific month of its existence. But you couldn't make it sound like it did “in the 90s”, because there's no such thing: either you're playing All That She Wants, Sweat (a La La La La Long), Informer, and Young at Heart every few hours, or you're playing Don't Speak, Lovefool, Drop Dead Gorgeous, and I Believe I Can Fly — but not a mixture of both.†

    I was a big fan of Long Wave Radio Atlantic 252. I still sometimes wear one of their T-shirts. But, fond as I am, I don't see how it's possible to bring it back in any meaningful sense.

    † And you probably don't want to be playing the last of those at all, anyway.

    Rather a pointless exercise IMO but if it makes them happy...... 252 - is that the target audience number?
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    duffman25duffman25 Posts: 972
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    edited 13/05/24 - 17:37 #7
    I'm hoping it's the Atlantic 252 classics they have all the original jingles and it sounds very good.

    https://www.atlantic252classics.com/


    It won't be giant radio Atlantic 252 one they posted on Facebook
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    989989 Posts: 2,175
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    edited 13/05/24 - 17:30 #8
    People conveniently forget that during it’s first 6 or so years Atlantic 252 actually played a lot of rock music on it’s playlist and was more heavily skued towards the Billboard American Chart playing American hits up to 6 months ahead of British release dates! Music Week magazine acknowledged this with articles and so did PRS/PPL acknowledging in 1990 that 40 of the years biggest hits were played first on Atlantic 252!

    Poison Skinny Bop, B52’s Love Shack, Amy Grant Baby Baby etc…

    Old off air recordings back this up.
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    SmylersSmylers Posts: 1,257
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    989 wrote: »
    People conveniently forget that during it’s first 6 or so years Atlantic 252 actually played a lot of rock music on it’s playlist and was more heavily skued towards the Billboard American Chart playing American hits up to 6 months ahead of British release dates! Music Week magazine acknowledged this with articles and so did PRS/PPL acknowledging in 1990 that 40 of the years biggest hits were played first on Atlantic 252!

    Poison Skinny Bop, B52’s Love Shack, Amy Grant Baby Baby etc…

    Again, hard to replicate in 2024! With streaming and international release dates (or surprise releases without being announced), there isn't really a bunch of American music that hasn't yet been released over here yet. And it's almost an oxymoron to have a nostalgia unreleased music station: “playing tracks which used to be unreleased in the UK and you wouldn't hear anywhere else” doesn't really work ­— you aren't going to be able to persuade all the other stations that now exist to stop playing those songs and pretend they hadn't heard of them!

    The other general issue is that for Long Wave Round Atlantic 252's heyday, its thing was to play 4 or so songs in a row without a DJ talking between them, the presenters only speaking about 4 times an hour — in an era of CDs, and where most other stations had far more talk. Whereas “here's a stream of music without annoying talking between it” is very much not a unique selling point in 2024.
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    989989 Posts: 2,175
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    Atlantic 252 was effectively a hybrid of Laser 558 and the original Radio Nova Dublin which could be heard in big parts of the UK, many presenters from both stations on 252.

    Atlantic 252 made heavy use of jingles and the big American voice overs inbetween songs unlike their British counterparts.

    The UK equivalents never sounded quite as good as 252.
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    989 wrote: »
    People conveniently forget that during it’s first 6 or so years Atlantic 252 actually played a lot of rock music on it’s playlist and was more heavily skued towards the Billboard American Chart playing American hits up to 6 months ahead of British release dates! Music Week magazine acknowledged this with articles and so did PRS/PPL acknowledging in 1990 that 40 of the years biggest hits were played first on Atlantic 252!

    Poison Skinny Bop, B52’s Love Shack, Amy Grant Baby Baby etc…

    Old off air recordings back this up.

    Yes, just a few nights ago I stumbled on Now 80s TV channel, - they had a theme for a couple of hours of songs that were big chart hits in the USA, but not so in the UK - they had 1989 and some rarely heard (now) songs were played which reminded me of the early years of A252 - songs such as 'When I see you Smile' by Bad English and 'Forever Your Girl' by Paula Abdul .

    Little did I know a few days later I would see a thread about a return (sort of ) of Atlantic 252
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    FM_BanditFM_Bandit Posts: 2,660
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    Smylers wrote: »
    Again, hard to replicate in 2024! With streaming and international release dates (or surprise releases without being announced), there isn't really a bunch of American music that hasn't yet been released over here yet. And it's almost an oxymoron to have a nostalgia unreleased music station: “playing tracks which used to be unreleased in the UK and you wouldn't hear anywhere else” doesn't really work ­— you aren't going to be able to persuade all the other stations that now exist to stop playing those songs and pretend they hadn't heard of them!

    You are massively overthinking this. It's highly likely to be a hobbiest 90s nostalgia stream with idents/jingles and, unlikely but possibly, one or two ex DJs wheeled out for a trip down memory lane.
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    ErwinErwin Posts: 2,658
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    Yes, it's for sure the Atlantic 252 Classic stream people/guy after this new project I guess. You don't do Atlantic 252 with the music from now. It's the same when Laser 558 coming with a version with new music. That don't match with the music of today.
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    anthony davidanthony david Posts: 14,536
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    Looks like just another stick on badge for another SSDAB station that few if any will listen to. From what I have read on hear BRMB is the same with little or nothing in common with the long gone original station.
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    989989 Posts: 2,175
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    In its almost final 5 or more years the original BRMB and it’s on air sound also very sadly had very little in common with the BRMB most of us actually grew up with and was very much becoming a station that was less about Birmingham as networking was increased.
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    CiderMonsterCiderMonster Posts: 1,256
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    Smylers wrote: »
    But how can it be done right?

    Right for a tribute station, i guess .... it'll NEVER be A252, that's long gone

    Plus, i guess we all have our 252 eras, i'd love to hear something like it's early year .... it's latter years? No ta!
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    BollardBollard Posts: 3,457
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    Maybe they could do different hours, one hour 1990, next 1995 etc etc. Rhythm and dance, evenings and / or weekends?
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    CiderMonsterCiderMonster Posts: 1,256
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    Bollard wrote: »
    Maybe they could do different hours, one hour 1990, next 1995 etc etc. Rhythm and dance, evenings and / or weekends?

    Yeah, i've always thought that was the way it would have to be done

    I'm pretty sure one of the tribute stations (the one that became the giant) used to do that for a short time, different year every hour
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