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Greatest rapper in the world
He done travelled all over the world
He came back just to give you some game
UH, I DONE BEEN THROUGH A WHOLE LOT
TRIALS, TRIBULATIONS, BUT I KNOW GOD
Only slightly related, but... I wish that the single version of "i" was the SNL version. It has the same style of the album version, but keeps going. The album version is cut short due to narrative reasons, and the single version always sounded odd to me
What's funny is the top comment on the SNL version is videogamedunkey of all people, saying that it should have been the real version.
Big steppin'
I didn't plan on listening to tpab today but you twisted my rubber arm.
When I was first learning about the beef I was like WTF set his ass off about FPS. But first of all with the big 3 lyric - Drake likening himself to MJ and Cole with Muhammad Ali which are 2 heavy hitters which would make Kendrick be third. But also, he passed on featuring on this song so including him is a veiled diss passed as a compliment anyway. Couple that with the fact that HE DESPISES DRAKE with a passion I haven't seen before I'd write Like That too. 😭
I will continue to say tho, that if Cole stayed in I don't think that Kendrick would've been as mean to him. I think he would've had fairly friendly bars for him. But maybe not since he hangs around Drake. 🤷🏾♀️
Go back and listen to the last verse of FPS. The entire thing is a subliminal at Kendrick. I think Drake was sour Kendrick passed on the feature and decided to throw subs at him.
Drake's second verse definitely sounds like it in retrospect
But Cole's verse doesn't sound any more crazy even given the context of Kendrick being asked to be on the song. Especially given we're talking about the dude who dropped Control here
Is there any validity to the claim that J Cole didn’t know Kendrick had refused yet when he did his verse? If that’s true then Cole was legit just being friendly while Drake was firing the subliminals
Nothing is 100% confirmed besides Kendrick talking about a feature request. There are somewhat credible rumors though that Cole changed his verse after Kendrick declined to be on.
But even if we assume Cole knew, his verse has gotta be the weakest sub of all time. The man literally says 'right now I "feel" like Muhammad Ali". I understand it feeling like a diss from Kendrick's perspective if he truly believes he's so much above Cole and doesn't like his association with Drake, but I don't understand the audience taking it as some crazy diss
Is this why dot says “Did cole foul why you still pretendin”??
I 100% believe Cole was just like 'yeah sounds dope' when Drake made the FPS call lmao
Could be possible that Cole rewrote the first part of his main verse where he mentions not dissing anyone. Drake could’ve asked Cole and Kendrick to be on the song, with the theme being the greatness of the Big 3.
Kendrick declines and Cole changes the first part of verse to make it clear it wasn’t a sneak diss since Kendrick would obviously be odd man out. And Drake took the opportunity to throw some sneak disses about rappers verses being terrible and the worthness of Grammys (Kendrick has more) compared to #1’s of which Drake has more, competing with MJ for the record.
Hence why Kendrick returns to the MJ/Prince line in Like That, since Drake mentioned it first in FPS.
That seems most likely.
To me it sounds like Cole was really on some BIG3 shit and tryna peace things up, even with YB. But that damn Aubrey🤣🤣🤣😈 He was calling for Dot in the 1st verse…..
“I love a dinner with some fine women when they start debatin' about who the G.O.A.T
I'm like go on 'head, say it then, who the G.O.A.T.?
Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.?
Who you bitches really rootin' for? Like a kid that act bad from January to November, nigga, it's just you and Cole”
God that sucks 😂
I mean he did throw in that steppers bar. Idk if it was meant to be a sub or not, but best not to even mention his name on a song with the opps lol
Kendrick never really dissed Cole either. Everything in like that was pretty much aimed at Drake. That’s why I thought Cole dropping a diss was dumb in the first place.
I mean, "Fuck the big 3, it's just big me" is clearly disrespect to Cole. Even if most of the verse was aimed at Drake
Also the intro, Drake literally says the GOATs are just him and Cole. On a song where Cole says he Drake and Kendrick are the Big 3 that’s definitely a shot
"I hate the way you sneak diss, if I catch flight it's gonna be di-rect"
It definitely does sound like it is you're right
I don’t know if the last verse has any bars particularly aimed at Kendrick. I would say, if anything, it would be Drake’s first verse about it just being “you and Cole”
'you still taking pictures on a gulfstream' Hillbillies video came out before FPS and they filmed it in a Gulfstream
'pub for sale Id buy the whole thing' pglang with Keem and Kendrick who both took a sub at Drake on Family Ties
I forgot the others but someone made a thread when the beef started.
Could be reaching but I don't think so
"Don't even pay me back on none them favors, I don't need it."
Drake thinks he put Kendrick on by bringing him on tour and doing a verse on GKMC, but was never "paid back" with a feature/praise.
Huh, I didn’t realize hillbillies were filmed in a Gulf Stream. I mostly remembered the dodger stadium and amusement park when I think of the video. Yeah, I think that’s arguably a sub then.
I think the pub for sale is a generic thing that Drake is doing, and probably why a lot of rappers outside of Kendrick are recently mad at him.
I've heard someone say it's like the ugly kid very well meaningly saying "omg, you are so pretty, we're twins 😄"
And Kendrick didn't want to be compared. He didn't think they were comparable. It's just big him.
LMAO
Assuming Kendrick was originally asked to be on the track (FPS), it would make sense to assume it was a sneak diss. Drake has a habit of sneak dissing randomly and For All the Dogs seems like its full of them.
Like with Rihanna/ASAP on Fear of Heights, the Weeknd on All The Parties and Future on What Would Pluto Do.
Specifically on FPS, Drake could be dissing Kendrick after asking him to be on the track when he says rappers send verses and they be terrible. Then he mentions selling false dreams (like conscious rappers). Then saying Grammys are irrelevant to him and saying he’s close to MJ’s record of hits, which Kendrick brings up in Like That. Kendrick has more Grammys but Drake has more #1’s.
The song seems like its supposed to be a celebration of the Big 3, but Drake sneak disses and even Cole has some lines that seem off too (steppers, Muhammid Ali, the meme with Drake, etc.) but he also seems like he might have rewrote the first part of his main verse to straight up say he wasn’t sneak dissing.
Best guess is Drake wanted a themed song about the Big 3 with him, Kendrick and Cole but Kendrick declined. Drake got salty and threw in some sneak disses, hence why Kendrick said Drake did Cole foul by setting him up. Kendrick took the temperature after Like That and realized Cole meant no disrespect but Drake did.
I think he passed because of the constant subliminals Drake sent at him for the past 10 years it didn’t sit well with Kendrick to suddenly act like friends. Even in the heart part 4 Kendrick tells him to not call him and play it down after he sends shots on a song. If I was Kendrick I’d be upset too lmfao
This. Absolutely 💯.
"Surprised you wanted that feature request/you know that we got some shit to address"
My guess is that Drake had gotten comfortable with throwing shade at other artists and still being able to get a feature with them. Most guys have been willing to work with him because his name equates to streams and exposure.
Kendrick ain't that dude
And him just generally not liking Drake on all fronts. Drake is kind of like the antithesis of Kendrick, which made this whole rap beef even more interesting to people
This is funny because Drake said the same thing about Kendrick acting friendly after Control. Both of them being hypocritical
Go back and listen to that verse Drake isn’t even the first person he names and it’s clearly some friendly shit talking. You had guys like Tyler hyped that they even got named on the verse, it was Drake who took it real personal and got in his feelings. There’s a difference between friendly competition and friendly shit talking vs constantly jabbing on a guy for years but never being direct with him. Hell at the time more rappers were upset they weren’t named on the verse, as opposed to those that were.
Yeah, personally I wouldn’t be offended about the Control verse either, and I viewed it as light jabbing. But it doesn’t matter how I received it, it matters how Drake received it. If anything, Kendrick should’ve (and may have) reached out to clear the air (as the person who initiated it), but he doubled down with the BET cypher sub, which was what really started the decade long shots at one another.
In retrospect, I’m sure this beef is at least partly what Kendrick was talking about when he was confused about Kanye getting back with Drake, and whether he should hold onto the grudge or mature and move on.
After Control, it wasn’t a problem. That was a challenge to all his friends. Kendrick had no reason to be unfriendly with people. It’s Drake’s reaction that made things worst between the two because he saw more in it than the rest of them…probably because he felt he was much higher than Kendrick at that point already.
Both of them have been hypocritical the entire beef, all the Stan's as well.
Neither will admit it though
Plus Drake asked Kendrick to be on the song despite them having beef. He was still tryna do some “oh we’re the big 3 you’re my dog.” shit and was gonna pretend nothing ever happened between them. Plus Kendrick clearly wanted to drop a full on diss to Drake for a while and was waiting for him to verbally mention him in a song. Which is exactly what happened
It's hilarious that they still published a big 3 song when one of the three turned it down. It's like when they have reunion shows or sequels and the star doesn't show up.
Kendrick’s like I’m not gonna feature in this song and also start a beef cuz y’all are tryin to make me tiger woods in the metaphor 😂
Euphoria is the meanest shot at Cole - you'd think of the YNW Melly line but there's more if you dig deeper. The "demon" line is a direct diss at Cole everybody missed. Cole called himself "a demon" in Evil Ways another Cole, Drake Collab and there's a line about DNA where Cole sneak disses Kendrick. J. Cole isn't a saint for me, he was greedy for the crown (rightfully so) too.
I mean drake also ended push ups with “don’t make me wake the demon up”. Making that the most obvious connection to the word demon. Sure maybe it’s a double meaning cause Cole used the word demon in a rap song too…. But who hasn’t? Bit of a reach. At least to call it a “direct” diss. The direct shot was definitely aimed at drakes demon comment in push-ups if it hit cole too it was with the shrapnel.
I don't think Cole was greedy. I think he's a good dude that knows he's close enough to look at the crown, but he doesn't want the gore that comes with it
Isnt the stick line in Like That related to Cole too?
It possibly was since that’s from the dreamville collab but to me that’s such a light jab of a diss it’s pretty equivalent to 7min drill from Cole where you take shots but it’s clearly not on some “fuck you it’s up when I see you again”. Saying you’re not Andre 3k after you said you’re Muhammad ali is fine. Like I can see Cole and Kendrick being cool right now and possibly even being featured on a song sometime again but the drake stuff is soooooo far beyond that. He legit hates everything that man stands for and represents. Cole it’s just general “I’m number one”
Damn, Kendrick's gonna be ecstatic when he finds out about this.
There are romours that SchoolBoyQ requested Cole to step out.
Edit; Also the chess scene in the video, which was inspired from a shoot done by Messi and Ronaldo, the #1 and #2 of Football, hence further putting kenny at 3
He also said "spiderman meme is me looking at drake", implying they the 2 best. The third spiderman of the meme had to come in 🗿
Cole seems to have switched on Drake after touring with him though, he disses him on PI on his album and Daylyt has come out and confirmed it was about Drake
I wouldn't trust daylt tbh
Who even is daylyt why is his word gospel
He features on the song PI
Battle rapper/ghostwriter
Well damn...I wonder what caused the switch up.
Maybe the same thing that Kendrick saw when he toured with him back in the day
Pretty simple. He released Family Ties in 2021 with the line "do not address me unless its with 4 letters". (Read as: I am the GOAT)
He was then addressed as "One of the best right now" which is a lot different than greatest of all time. Especially when he's being put on the same level as Drake (not a rapper) and J Cole (nowhere near the same level).
Until Drake brought family into it, I'm pretty sure the entire point of this was just to double down on the line from Family Ties and remind Cole and Drake that they aren't on his level.
Cole was for sure shooting
No he wasn't kendrick doesn't own the word steppers these are just reaches.
Who else has used this word casually? Cole isn’t just gonna mindlessly use a word. Everything he says is with intention. This is 100% a subliminal
You know that stepper has been slang for a while and Kendrick didn't come up with it right? Shit on Hunger on Hillside Cole used "big stepper" and that was a year before MMATBS
Cole. Before MM.
Cole once said you can’t out fart me and had the ABCs line in MDL. I love Cole, but not everything he says is that deep lol.
I thought the same thing about cole fans saying that Kendrick mentioning “carrying a stick” was a shot at cole because he said that in a song before. Him and most rappers, it’s just a commonly used phrase lol.
Yeah FPS seemed like those 2 were essentially putting him at 3rd, way more so Drake than Cole though
Cole dissed him about big steppers. Said he eats big steppers for breakfast. I’m not exactly sure what Drake said
Man I dunno about complimenting, I kinda feel like given all the context, the background, the culture, and what Drake as an artist represents to someone as gifted as Kendrick Lamar, who came from a rough neighborhood, who lost people to violence, who really did “start from the bottom”, being casually told that the guy who is less lyrically gifted than you and who films music videos in hoods he isn’t from is on your level because the shallow mf makes club music that tops the charts on a regular basis…I’d be insulted, too. It’s not true. It can only be true if your metrics for “quality” are based on superficial signals like “number of streams” and stuff like that, meanwhile Kendrick is literally baring his soul to the world and Drake is posturing to get accepted by the culture.
That shit is not a compliment; it’s such a pick me ass move to say “us three are the best”, it’s the bad kind of bravado, the kind not grounded in truth.
There’s a reason it’s less obnoxious to hear Kendrick Lamar say he’s the best than it would be to hear Drake say it, and it’s because Kendrick has the fuckin Mandate of Heaven
I could name 50 lyricists better than Drake, not including Cole, Kendrick, or Eminem, and they write their own shit 😂
"Baring his soul to the world" is exactly how I described Kendrick's music in comparison to Drake's right after Euphoria dropped. It really is incredible that he can make such deeply personal, genre redefining work and be so widely popular at the same. I understand why I love it, as a massive hip hop fan but it makes no sense to me how he crosses over into top 40 so easily. I guess sheer quality can beat out any factory made top 40 song, that's the only explanation
Cole was done wrong the whole time. There is a rumor that Cole thought all three of them would be on the track when he submitted his verse and I believe that. I really do. It sounds like that in his verse. He thought that they would each talk about how they were the best in their verse.
But Drake being who he was came back and sent subliminals in his second verse. How do you send a feature request to someone you have been dissing for YEARS? And it’s clear they don’t hang with the same people. They HATE each other. Since Control, the hate has only depend. Cole doesn’t look like he hangs with Drake either, to be real. And honestly, considering the religious imagery of Kendrick’s music, he could see all the stuff Drake does as only adding to the reason to dislike him. Why would you even send the feature request?? An extreme example of fakeness in the industry.
“Did Cole Foul, idk why you still pretending” Seems like Drake set up Cole somehow
WHAT IS THE OWL?
bird fellas and bird bitches
GO.
They shot a whole music video together.
Music videos are not shot at the same time the songs are completed. The album came out in October 2023. The video was made in November 2023. We have no idea when Cole submitted his verse to Drake for that song. It could have not been in person at all. It could have been months ago.
I don’t see why Cole names the Big 3, including Kendrick first, if he didn’t think all three would appear. He thought that was the case. There is a Spider-Man meme with THREE Spider-Man’s point to each other, not just two. Note, with No Way Home coming out the year before (2022) and there being 3 Spider-Man figures in that movie, it’s possible he thought there was gonna be three of them.
The song clearly has three verses/segments, one for each of them.
Yeah I know music videos are shot after the music but if Cole knew he got shafted in this song by Drake then why would be agree to shoot a music video.
It’s a big song that went #1 thanks in large part to HIS bars (because Drake got out rapped). He was gearing up to release an album. It would be good exposure for him to do the video. Cole seems like he is cool with both Drake and Kendrick and wasn’t trying to rock the boat. Cole’s problem was not understanding the depth of Kendrick’s animosity towards Drake.
They aren’t all besties but they are colleagues that should have basic respect for each other. Cole respects them both. Drake and Kendrick don’t respect each other. There lies the problem.
I been telling people for YEARSSS j cole and drake are absolutely nowhere near kendricks level and im glad hes finally proving it🤣
Me too brother, good to have some validation finally
To be fair to them, I truly think Kendrick is the greatest rapper to ever do it. He’s like Magnus Carlson of chess where he’s still somewhat young so you can’t really say he’s the GOAT yet, but it’s only a matter of time
NAH I disagree about cole