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The morality of Narcissa Malfoy

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Is she a racist piece of shit, or is there a case to argue that she isn't? Is she considered dangerous, or just another bigoted old lady?

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Narcissa truly loves her son and husband, but other than that she's not a good person. Even the Pottermore article written by JK Rowling about Draco's future mentions that, while Draco had a change of heart, Narcissa and Lucius never did, and disapproved of Draco and his wife raising their son to be more accepting. To me this pretty much settles that she was not a good person, nor did she ever become one. I have no doubt she truly loved her child, but that doesn't exonerate her from her other issues. Let's not forget she taunts Harry about Sirius's death. Sure, she was retaliating for her husband being imprisoned, but that was still her cousing, who was killed by her sister.

As for dangerous, she was able to successfully lie to Voldemort's face, and was possibly just as tallented as her sister in magic (although perhaps not as knowledgeable in the dark arts), so she quite probably was dangerous. Perhaps not completely insane and a devoid of any morality like Bellatrix, but I'm sure she could do quite some damage if provoked the right way.

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wait a minute that just made me realize she must be good enough at occlumency to trick voldemort, the most accomplished mind reader in history.

i call BS plothole. snape was one thing, but randomly narcissa too?

Why would that be a plot hole? Bellatrix is comfirmed to know occlumency, she taught Draco, and JK Rowling has mentioned that Draco was actually quite good at it, why wouldn't Bellatrix have taught Narcissa too? The Malfoys were very high in Voldemort's ranks for a while, then Voldemort was living in their house, occlumency was a must. It's not hard to imagine anyone that close to Voldemort would need to be a decent occlumens, capable of hiding some of their true feelings from him. Also, Voldemort isn't the most accomplishment legilimens in history, he was a very accomplished one, but the story never said he was the best. Voldemort was no Queenie. Plus, the moment Narcissa lied to Voldemort he had literally just collapsed after attacking Harry, and she told him exactly what he wanted to hear, he wasn't on his best moment to doubt it.

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okay fair moco

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Don’t you need to be trying and putting effort into occlumency? I can’t imagine it’s just something he has on in the background. Snape had enough encounters with him, so that it’s impressive. Narcissa just had to do it once and had proven her loyalty before then, no?

Also remember LV had also been knocked to the ground by that killing curse. He was probably not putting his full effort into reading her mind. One because arrogant and two because weakened.

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She only lied to Voldemort to have the chance to find her son. I think she’s a pretty shitty person.

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every evil person has someone they care about.

Caring about a specific individual does not make one a good person, but rather how they treat the ones they don't care about.

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u/ambulanz_driver420 avatar

Agreed. Very self-serving

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She’s doing everything out of self-interest or family interest.

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There is no case to be made that she is not a racist piece of shit.

u/pjbwclaw avatar

There is every case to be made that she is a total racist piece of shit

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Even racists love their families. That's about it. Other than that she only cares about her and her family's interests. And she is a blood supremacist because that's the social background in which she lived all her life.

u/LadySygerrik avatar

A dreadful bigot who happened to love her family more than she feared Voldemort. While that is to her credit, it doesn’t absolve her of her racist behavior or being complicit in the Death Eaters’ movement.

You can be a racist piece of shit and still be a loving to your family. It’s not like the two are mutually exclusive.

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yeah

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u/BatheMyDog avatar

I like her character because it shows that even evil people are capable of love. People are complicated.

All her betrayal of Voldemort means is her self-centered nature overpowered her racism and loyalty. She’s just a Karen

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Nailed it

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She’s a racist piece of shit. The people you choose to support and align yourselves with says a lot about you once they make it clear that they’re trash. She married and actual loves Lucius, she stayed in contact with Bella, she was cool associating with Snape and other death eaters, she raised Draco. She’s a pos but I think she’s a smart pos. Lucius and Draco seem to make their asshole behavior/sadistic behavior public while Narcissa doesn’t (doesn’t take the dark mark, doesn’t pay attention to the trio until Draco starts shit)

Complicity and silence is acceptance.

She enabled evil. She eventually rejected it to save her own family, but ultimately she is part of the problem.

She didn't really rejected evil. Narcissa just valued her son more than Voldemort's ideals.

She's a shitty person, through and through.

Just meant that the first time she didn't go along was for selfish purposes. And to her credit she did save Harry’s life.

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I think she started off as indifferent, then was motivated to save her son, and finally rejected Voldemort and his system of beliefs when she lied to him about Harry being dead.

Old lady... She was, like, 42 at the end of the war

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I mean, the book was set in the 90s. She would be in her sixties now lol

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Well in reality no one is 100% good or evil. Narcissa seems to be a typical Slytherin in the sense that she is loyal to her own beliefs and own people. She’s proud, haughty and cold. As an individual she’s not dangerous. Seen as a part of the system she complies with, that’s more problematic. For example, if you voted for the nazi party in the 30’s, are you automatically a morally shrewd person? There’s degrees in hell, and there isn’t really enough information to tell where Nacissa falls.

u/Motanul_Negru avatar

She's enough of a piece of shit that I wouldn't want her anywhere near me and my loved ones.

As far as dangerous (in her own person), we don't see her do anything interesting. In HBP when she thinks Voldemort is (on the verge of) winning she has the gall to threaten Harry to his face but I think that would've gone south in a hurry for her if Harry was in a brawling mood; she only had Draco onside. I mean, Draco does get one over Harry in the train but that was because Harry was in stealth mode. If he's ready or spoiling for a fight he can take two pampered rich brats.

u/ZarosGuardian avatar

She's still a blood supremacist scumbag, but she betrayed Moldy Voldy to save her son. Honestly, if she didn't have Draco, she would probably be just as bad as her sister Bella. Draco was the only only only reason why she jumped ship.

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Yeah she jumped ship due to Draco but how would she be as bad as Bellatrix...? Like more fanatical?

I don’t see her being as bad as Bellatrix, she doesn’t seem to want to get her hands dirty unlike her sister

She’s more of a “multi millionaire throws money at the politicians who parrot her beliefs” type. She and Lucius don’t have the stones to truly be like Bellatrix.

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u/CBowdidge avatar

Yeah, she gets off too easy. How did she feel about Lucius's plan to eliminate Muggle-borns and frame his rival? How did she feel about Cedric's murder? Where was her concern for an others? But the moment it affects her, it's a problem. Until then, she doesn't care.

u/Aaeiyn avatar

From what I saw from the movies (since, I didn't read the books), she seems more concerned about what's going on within the bounds of her own business as opposed to what's going on with other people and their business. She seemed to have supported her husband's decisions and loves her son and wants to protect him. Just from what I saw in the movies. In the books, she can be a completely different person, and I'm sure that's true. I like movie Narcissa because (to be frank) I couldn't really give a flip about other people's businesses but my own (either), but that's just me.

u/JaninayIl avatar

Bigoted? No doubt. But in the world of HP, love redeems and Narcissa is ultimately better than the others because she acted to save her family, whom she loves more than Voldy's cause. Which could explain why this is a recurring theme in 'Good' Slytherin stories. Growing up though you quickly find out plenty of bad people had loving families so it's not the ultimate redemption.

No she’s a terrible person. Saying she isn’t is the same as saying Melania isn’t, you wouldn’t stand by your husband as he says and does stuff like that if you didn’t agree with him to a certain point

I always assumed she was the most open-minded and moral of the Malfoys.

u/morningmint avatar

"dangerous" and "bigoted old lady" go hand in hand, they aren't opposites

and she was both (although i imagine she wasn't old)

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they aren't, but you know how if you're older you're physically less dangerous?

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not if you're a witch

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Shitty people can still love their kids. Doesn’t really absolve them of anything.

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Well, we know in Goblet of Fire (I think, I only read the series once) that she was Draco's mother, having married a Death Eater. But the first time we're properly introduced to her is in Half-Blood Prince, and the first thing she does is to ignore her sister and do exactly what the Dark Lord told her not to. She went to Snape and asked him to help Draco with his mission. And in Deathly Hallows, upon finding out from a weak and falsely deceased Harry that Draco was alive and okay, she told everybody INCLUDING Voldemort that Harry was dead when she knew damn well he was not. So no, I don't think she was bad but I'm not saying she was entirely good. She still went along with being a Death Eater alongside her husband and sister, but in the end she played a crucial part in helping Harry succeed.

Bigoted yes but she cares about her family alot more than them and is willing to throw Voldemort under the bus to save her son.

Even with the obvious extreme danger of doing so.

She very much loyal to family first above all.

The Malfoys and the Blacks joined Voldemort's cause for power and influence. Once Voldemort turned on Lucius they Malfoys stayed with him for survival. Narcissa went against Voldemort because she stood to benefit from it. Save your redemption for those who opposed Voldemort from within because it was the right thing to do. Regulus redeemed himself. Draco was on the path. Narcissa was only ever motivated by her family's self-interest.

She did what her family wanted. Married who they approved of. I don't think she's either, I think she's dull. She has no personality. She is just a wife and just a mother. No opinions. No independence.

u/Lebigmacca avatar

Her name literally means narcissist theres no moral ambiguity lol. She’s just a racist piece of shit

While I don’t have the book in front of me, Harry thinks something to the effect of “the only way she knew she would be allowed back in the castle was with the conquering army.” She lied because it got her the result she needed. If she thought for one second she could have said “nope, still kickin,” and been allowed to march into Hogwarts she would have done so.

Racist piece of shit who loves her kid. I know plenty of racists and they all love their kids.

u/ohbyerly avatar

Racist piece of shit who subsequently loves her only son. Also spoiled him completely rotten in the process.

u/Snoo_90338 avatar

I feel like Narcissa is incredibly dangerous not because of her husband but also her family. And given how dark the black's were her parents would teach her dark magic. Unfortunately this is a HC of mine since the books are from Harry prospective. But she has to be OP

Oh, she's bigoted. Her only redeeming qualities were her devotion to her family, and her repaying Harry for telling her her son was alive by saving Harry's life.

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Narcissa is "Neutral" alignment

Yes, she is very dangerous but also kind and caring. She may not be the best mother but to me, she's a good person.

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She's certainly a loving mother

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