This episode always annoys me because Amy seem super out of character here. In the beginning of the episode Amy is incredibly rude to Wil Wheaton, and when he says something back, she gets upset and expects Sheldon to defend her. The episode is written like we're supposed to agree with her that Sheldon was in the wrong for not taking her side, but the fight was completely her fault, and Sheldon had no need to defend her since she was rude to Wil Wheaton in the first place.
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Yeah most of the arguments that happen in this show are misrepresented. We're expected to take a certain side, but if you look at the argument with even a tiny bit of objectivity, you end up siding with the other side instead.
Like the whole Amy/Sheldon and Howard/Bernadette argument when Howard dressed up like Sheldon.
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Sheldon shits on Howard for the entire series and Howard seems to take it in stride. But the one time he does it back to Sheldon th guy flies off the handle. Then Amy dresses like Bernadette purely out of spite because she won't tell Howard to apologize.
Howard was in the right because if Sheldon can't take it he shouldn't dish it
I do love the line that Sheldon says to Howard when Howard asks him for a compliment:
Howard Wolowitz: All right, Sheldon, there's only one thing left I want you to do. Don't worry, it's an easy one.
Sheldon Cooper: Okay.
Howard Wolowitz: Give me a compliment.
Sheldon Cooper: Fine. You have very tiny hands.
Howard Wolowitz: No. About my job. I want you to tell me I'm good at what I do.
Sheldon Cooper: You're obviously good at what you do.
Howard Wolowitz: Then why are you always ripping on me?
Sheldon Cooper: Ah, I understand the confusion. Uh, I have never said that you are not good at what you do. It's just that what you do is not worth doing.
Not only this, but they weren't laughing "at" Sheldon which was the reason why he was so upset. They were laughing at Howard's spot-on impression of him. There's a definite difference between the two.
Amy 100% should have been the voice of reason and explained that to Sheldon but maybe that's too nuanced for a sitcom.
Spot-on Impression?
She explained to him where he went wrong many, many times.
But maybe they didn’t want to completely overuse that gag and bore the audience.
Or maybe they didn’t want to give the impression that she’s entirely responsible for Sheldon when he’s a grown adult. A lot of people seem to think that women are to blame if their boyfriends behave badly, but I don’t see why… they’re grown adults and responsible for themselves!
Sheldon gets a bit of leeway because he has autism, but even with that there is only so much slack one deserves before they have to learn to take responsibility for themselves. I’m autistic, too, so I know.
Howard started it and later he stopped making fun of him because of the contract and you can say the same thing about Bernadette. She thought howards costume Was hilarious but cried like a bitch when Amy Made fun of her.
Exactly I get Sheldon's a jerk sometimes but you cant be mad when someone does the exact same thing as you
Amy was spiteful, heteful, and hurtful and done only with malicious intentions. Howard was being playful, and agaihateful, has taken shit from Sheldon for years. You absolutely cannot compare the two situations.
I’ve seen the first few episodes only recently.
All the guys are pretty awful to each other.
And everyone except Sheldon treated Penny like a sex object - the ONLY reason they kept inviting her to hang out was because they all wanted to have sex with her!
Then when she went out with Leonard, he told her it didn’t matter that she was really stupid!
They’re pretty awful guys, all of them! 😞
I remember Stuart was attracted to a doctor on the show. but Leonard said no offense but she's a doctor. Like he wasn't in her league. Meanwhile, he dates and is a basic puppy dog around Penny and eventually marries her who is a cheesecake waitress.
To be fair it's not Sheldon's fault either, he has a differently developed brain. Howard is entitled to be rude back at him too.
A good rule of thumb is that Howard is always wrong.
Oh, the parking spot... The horror...
That episode was so annoying too. Howard and Bernadette were definitely right, Sheldon was way too sensitive.
I'm still wondering why Leonard didn't park in the spot. I think Leonard deserves the spot because he takes Sheldon everywhere.
Because that's Sheldon's spot and nobody parks in his spot
Bcz that spot was assigned to H. Wolowitz. Howard didn't take that spot intentionally. It was assigned to him by the university. So Leonard doesn't have the authority to park there.
These instances prevent me from wanting to rewatch the show tbh
Awww but the shows so great and theres only a few episodes like this you can easily skip.
Exactly. I hate how they made it out to show Will and Sheldon in the wrong, even though it was just her fault. She was rude to him, and he obviously snaps back, and then Amy's the one that's upset? I hate how this is in real life, too. If you are rude/mean to someone and they treat you the same, you are in the wrong.
Sheldon didn't even need to be involved, he has nothing to do with this, yet Amy expected him to back her up even though she was in the wrong. They really wrote this on the wrong side.
It's the whole " people in couples *must* follow Love's Law" old hash
“Sheldon you have to defend me I’m your girlfriend” even if I’m in the wrong and was being rude 🙄
I thought you were supposed to take Will's side and laugh at how dysfunctional she was
the worst thing is that whenever sheldon does something " wrong" everybody tells him to apologize or whatever, but when someone else is clearly in the wrong they tell sheldon to apologize.
Not for 1 moment I was on Amy’s side in this episode..
it wasnt really out of character to me. I think they did this most times to represent that these characters were all dealing with a lot of firsts in their lifes. Amy has never been a relationship before and probably wanted to have her boyfriend defend her no matter like shes seen in other relationships or on tv.
same thing happened with sheldon a ton obviously, penny when dealing with her relationship with leonard
Exactly, imo it was a little out of character for her to be rude but her reaction when will snapped at her was 100% spot on. This might be bc amy spent so much time alone wanting a boyfriend, but in some aspects amy has (or had) wildly unrealistic expectations from a boyfriend. She totally believed in the “my boyfriend is a knight in shining armor and will swoop me off my feet” realm. This was just another example of her unrealistic expectations. As time goes on she learns to have more realistic expectations of a real relationship (and one with sheldon as a boyfriend) while Sheldon learns how to live up to realistic expectations
This is a good take. Amy is so hungry for that boyfriend warmth as depicted from films and such or whatever source material draws on what she thinks it should be like; not her experience as she has none. However she was fully in the wrong super incredibly rude. Will even took it for longer than most people would’ve, especially someone with alot of acting experience. I blame the writers. Every fight in the show is so forced and ridiculous. Out of the blew Leonard is mean to Sheldon. Some would argue he’s standing up for his position this one time or whatever but really he’s being a huge prick. When he sees Sheldon is upset by it he allows it to go way way too far. Sheldon says something like so you want to stop being friends with me? Yep. Penny is always blowing things up too. Leonard wants to help her with her paper in college. She freaks out then she’s actually bullying Bernadette and Amy who helped her rewrite her shitty paper because newsflash penny is really really dumb. She seems simple alongside all these geniuses as you would expect anyone would but at core she’s much lower than that. She is actually unintelligent and well below average. She’s a bully and thinks that her alright looks are some grand blessing that entitles her to free food and constant doting. I’ve had way hotter and none of them behaved the way she does; very selfish. But again not the actresses fault clearly bad writing there. Same goes for this episode Amy is way out of line yet she blows up. The analytical Amy would consider this nonsense. Why should a person be forced to agree with the wrong perspective? That’s insane. She was mean to Will who was doing a total favor participating in the dumbest YouTube Channel ever. He did multiple takes all varying widely and all reasonably good enough for what the topic and location was. Yet she continued to be more and more obnoxiously rude. Sheldon couldn’t agree because he doesn’t understand that side of things. Then it’s a big teheheh getting drunk and deciding deep down he’s human and must stand up for his woman. Anyone that isn’t weak minded would politely say hey this isn’t super high grade you don’t need to call cut unless a fly lands in my shoulder or I accidentally itch my nose or something goes wrong with the video/audio. If she continues you would say hey you’re being pretty rude. She decided she didn’t like Will based on very little particularly a single retort to continuous rude behavior. She knows enough to know she’s being rude unlike when Sheldon is rude. That’s all bad writing by being unable to create a conflict without it feeling ridiculous and forced. Leaving the viewer wondering why is she behaving like that why can’t they just get through this silly little flags YouTube show recording without her shitting all over the guest star? Then she ups the temperature significantly and gets in a big fight with Sheldon while not explaining what even bothered her knowing clearly that Sheldon was not aware. Everything any would normally understand goes out the window because the show writers wanted to create a dumb situation to somehow display Sheldon cares for Amy and that he is willing to fight for her… in his own way. They could’ve done a far better job showing he loved her.
exactly Amy is totally unreasonable and rude and annoying and I am so happy when Sheldon doesn't get the sarcasm and tells her to leave and thanks her for suggesting that he should have dinner with Wil haha she deserves that and Sheldon never should say sorry he doesn't do anything wrong
100% agree, I was cringing for Amy here. Sometimes her character could be all over the place, like the writers didn't quite know what to do with her.
Don't get me wrong, I normally love her! But not at this moment
Yeah Amy was acting like a class A bellend
Amy was a total jerk in this situation. Thank God they found each other, otherwise their genes would be spreading further afield.
Perhaps, but it's not out of character for her.
Amy is very focused on what she does, and clearly has a perfectionist streak. This time, two boxes were checked: Will wasn't meeting the execution she had in her head, *and* he was infringing on private time between her and Sheldon (which is what Fun with Flags is about - flags are used for signalling and communication, and fun with flags is really about the two of them having a common thing to do together).
So while she wasn't being pleasant or rational, I'd say it wasn't out of character.
She’s just jealous of Will and Sheldon’s relationship. That’s all
That's the impression I got at first as well, funnily enough.
I would say there are certain relationships where you have to defend your person, no matter how wrong they are, then tell them in private that they are wrong, and pressure them into apologizing. And you can apologize to the other person before your person does, just not in front of your person. Unless the situation is where you realize you don't want to be in this relationship anymore.
Level one is your significant other, particularly if you are actually married. Level two is probably adult children and parents, most siblings (obviously exceptions apply). Level three is best friends.
They should have portrayed the Will/Amy fight as a test of Sheldon by Amy. Because wives actually do test you. ("Yes, you can go to the strip club" is a test. So is "do these pants make me look fat?")
That scene was a mistake by the writers, made no sense at all
This episode really grates on me aswell. Amy was obnoxious from the start. Ultimately she put sheldon in the middle and manipulated the outcome. I feel this was just a typical social construct where bf bad, girlfriend victim narrative. Sheldon was definitely hard done by and the innocent party in this episode. What's worse it excused Amy's arrogant and manipulative behaviour because she is a "female" BTW I find Amy the least irritating and likeable of the cast aside from sheldon.
If you put in the context of how rude, nagging and narcissistic Sheldon is and how Amy supports him, she's only balancing him out. From her perspective if she enables his behaviour he has to play his part in return.
Amy sucks.
I think that is the joke there. That women can sometimes be irrational.
To be fair, Wil Wheatons character in TBBT was that he was kind of an entitled jerk .. which he kind of is IRL if his Twitter feed is anything to go by...🤷♀️
And poorly executed beards.
And I thought MINE was bad... Seriously what's he doing...🤔
She was wrong. I’m led to believe she was jealous of will Wheaton
Amys a bitch and ruined the show, she shoulda been dropped here
Amy is a garbage selfish person, of course she caused the problem.
Because that's the whole point. Amy's expectations of his boyfriend are of absolute loyalty and Sheldon doesn't understand this, which causes conflict, thus the episode (Amy is loyal to Sheldon sometimes to ridiculous extents).
This is very real life and very common, expectations of our partners are put in test every once in a while and that's where couple start to break or get serious.
BTW you standing for your partner is a very logical and common expectation, regardless of how stupid, childish or nonsensical the argument is. Its not about you being a judge of objectiveness or being right it is about supporting them above everything else, showing they are your priority (at least in my culture).
what a ridiculous expectation. Only because it is illogical.
Couples dynamics is all about finding the one that doesn't consider your expectations ridiculous. That's where real chemistry happens.
That's an interesting thought, but it makes me think of another thought, "what you think is good for you can ultimately be bad for you, and what you think is bad for you can ultimately be good for you"
What do you think about couples who don't placate each other's feelings to make one another feel good, but instead are truthful?
It falls on the same category: your expectations shouldn't be ridiculous to the other, either being truthful, placate, or anything else.
Amy is the typical example of a FemiNAZI.
Nope. Amy was totally right. And Wil Wheaton is an evil jerk on the show (I hope not irl).
Besides, pretty much the rest of Wheaton's appearances revolve around the fact that he cannot act.
Well my friend, you see women are..whats the word i'm looking for.. Crazy!
I don’t think it was that out of character. When she first came into the show, she was kinda rude and condescending. Even though it was a couple season in from her start, it’s more like her in the beginning than in the end. But I do think she was in the wrong.
what did she do?
I think this has more to do with Amy being jealous of how Sheldon admires Will Wheaton. so she was jealous of Will on the show. and started a fight.
Yes society is disgusting with disgusting people. Worse things happens in real life tough