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[TRANSLATED] Son Woong-Jung: “I feared that Heung-Min becomes the top scorer in PL”

Interview

Hi again.

I'm stuck at work for another 3 hours so I decided to translate another interview. This time it’s Sonny's dad, Mr. Son Woong-Jung, comically known as Dad Heung-Min. The original interview dates back to June 22nd but it's better late than never I guess! Some parts of the interview were omitted due to irrelevance. I checked if someone else in r/coys had translated this interview before and I couldn't find anything, so here it is. Enjoy and apologies for grammatical errors!

"I was afraid of Heung-Min becoming the top scorer in PL"

https://www.joongang.co.kr/article/25078398

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-About Sonny's development as a footballer..

S: I always think about the aspects of the game that Heung-Min can improve by another 10%. I spend everyday hoping that he improves by at least 10%.

-Heung-Min is a member of FIFA Century Club and the first Asian footballer to ever become Premier League's top scorer. Yet you feel that he has to improve by 10%

S: It's when you think "you've done enough" that crises arise. You must always strive to thrive, even if only by a little. Not sure if it's true but I've heard that singers often practice hitting higher notes to maintain their vocal range. Similarly, in order to maintain his current abilities, he must think of how he should improve and work hard.

-You said in the past that Son Heung-Min wasn't a world class footballer. Does your opnion remain the same?

S: It remains the same.

-What is your definition of a world class footballer, then?

S: World class? Who knows. I personally think a world class player has the ability to survive in any big clubs around the world.

-What must he improve to become a world class footballer?

S: In my opinion, 10% growth in all aspects of the game would make it possible.

-According to your autobiography, you really urged your son to stay humble.

S: Nothing lasts forever. I might sound presumptuous but as the old saying goes, "all that's fair must fade". He used to love football as a kid and still does. If, one day, something else than football takes priority in his head, that itself is proof that he lost his purpose. It was the same when he was still a teenager in Hamburg. I think temptation is what troubles us from walking the right path. This is what he must remember and be cautious until his retirement as a footballer, and until the end of his life as a human being.

-How were you feeling when your son became the top scorer of the league?

S: I was as afraid as when he first scored for Hamburg. A mighty Japanese businessman once said "boom is a bliss but depression is even better". I told Heung-Min that good always comes with bad. Similarly, a higher mountain peak means a deeper valley. This year's abundance of crop does not guarantee next year's success. In order to survive, we must prepare as if we're expecting a famine in the future. Though I try to keep his mind cautious and humble, it is for these reasons that I was afraid when he became the Golden Boot winner. I think a 'depression', could have been better for his future than a 'boom'.

-Was your son's Golden Boot ever in the plans you had for him?

S: Ever since he started playing football, I never once thought of him becoming a pro nor in which league he will end up playing. He was happy playing football, and for that I was very happy. Happiness was the only word I had in mind.

-You emphasize humbleness by putting away all his trophies and awards. What did you do with the Golden Boot?

S: The reason why I put them away is because I'm afraid that he will become too proud and lose his purpose. I did store them carefully though. When Heung-Min retires, I am thinking of opening a small museum to display all his awards, but the fans deserved to see the Golden Boot in person (at the airport) so for this time we decided that the trophy will be kept in his home.

-You must love Kane, as he has shown a great combination with your son.

S: Kane is not the only player I love. Tottenham had a tough mid-season but Conte, with his passion, has brought the club back to the CL. Every single player helped Heung-Min, and in turn Heung-Min also helped several teammates. Tottenham Hotspur is a club where a family-like atmosphere is present.

-Conte, also known for his passionate character, has apparently asked Heung-Min about you and your passion?

S: Heung-Min rarely talks about what happens inside the club, but one day he mentions in passing that he thinks Conte watched the Sonsational documentary. The gaffer apparently asked if it was true that 'he and his brother had to do 4 hours of continuous keepy ups'. When answers "yes", Conte apparently told Heung-Min to introduce me to him. Heung-Min did say that.

-Is there something you want Heung-Min to achieve before his retirement?

S: No. I always tell him to go to whichever city or club he wants to play at/for. My only and greatest wish for him is that he lives in the city that he loves and he plays for a club that he loves, regardless of the salary. Nothing else.

-Many are worried about the distance he travels for international duty, yet Heung-Min considers the international duty a privilege.

S: I agree with him. While it is true that he needs to travel a great distance everytime he gets called up, he is really happy in the national team. For Heung-Min and I, happiness is what stands above football. Nothing else. He plays a lot of games and travels a lot, but I believe he can easily overcome such a hardship because in the end, football is something that he loves and feels happy when playing.

-Matchday 38: Son vs. Salah for Golden Boot. Were you concerned about Salah's performance in Liverpool's game vs. Wolves?

S: No. Like I said, I didn't want Heung-Min to become the top scorer. When there were still 3-4 games left to play, I told him "good always comes with bad, higher mountain peak means deeper valley". The higher you go up, the more it hurts when you come crashing down.

-He has scored 2 goals from free kicks in his recent games with the national team. How did you coach him?

S: We haven't particularly worked on his free kicks. He practiced shootings repeatedly, but we did no separate training for free kicks.

-Any words of encouragement for your son?

S: Football is not a sport where a net divides the two teams, therefore injuries will be always part of the game. Despite this, I want him to feel happy and to show everything he got on the pitch, one game at a time. It's something I always tell him and always want to tell him.

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u/mattwuri avatar

Kane is not the only player I love. Tottenham had a tough mid-season but Conte, with his passion, has brought the club back to the CL. Every single player helped Heung-Min, and in turn Heung-Min also helped several teammates. Tottenham Hotspur is a club where a family-like atmosphere is present.

Someone like Dad Heung-Min saying this about the club feels extra wholesome. Good vibes and good football, long may it continue.

It's a good answer to a weird question too. It's extremely loaded right? "You must love X" is like saying - "agree with me or you're an asshole", as well as providing for the answer to be construed as "Kane exists only to feed my son assists" or "Kane is the only one worth anything to my son and the rest of the team is trash" or something else stupid.

The way he answered that is diplomatic, clever and avoids the potential for someone to intentionally or unintentionally misunderstand his answer. Still very positive of the club too, top marks.

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In awe of this man, he is a mentality monster

Thanks for doing these they've been really interesting!!!

Wow, I'm also korean and I have to say this is really high-quality translation. I also went back to this interview the last few weeks in awe of his predictions

Thank you for your kind words.

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u/thfctillidie avatar

Interesting he predicted the son drought.... Get this guy on staff.

u/evenout avatar

I think a 'depression', could have been better for his future than a 'boom'.

Yup!

yeah that really stood out to me too, he could completely see that possibility coming

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It’s reality. No highs without lows

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Amazing translation work OP!

I appreciate it!

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What an intriguing man. His hard style of coaching clearly worked with Sonny, but im curious to see if it will work with kids who arent his own, in the academy they have in Korea.

In Korean culture, the relationship between teacher and student is more significant than I think it might be in the US. Also, I think koreans only know one style of coaching and that is discipline over all. The culture itself hates arrogance or show boaty behaviour.

I think he only has a few and is focused on quality rather than quantity so im sure he carefully vets whoever comes in. And I can bet you, he's probably one of the most in demand coaches.

I’m assuming it’s pretty similar to Chinese culture? It’s all about saving face. Face, face, face. Whether it’s academics or sports or art, students just get pushed soooo fucking hard. And they have to fill their days with everything: academics, musical instruments, sports, martial arts. All so their parents can flex having the best kids. I highly doubt some of these kids have social lives

Whenever I watch the Chinese diving team dominate the Olympics yet again, I can’t help but wonder if they got abused, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were. It’s all about winning and nothing else. Westerners just don’t understand

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Are ya winning, son?

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Incredible to hear how hard he is and always asking Son to want more from himself yet he says the happiness comment when asked about the plans he had for his son.

Found that part the most interesting, goes on to say he thinks he should play wherever he is happy. As hard as he seems on Son as a player, he seems like a very supportive father. Such a contrast I didn't know was possible.

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Yeah, such a different cultural approach to parenting. He also lived under the South Korean dictatorship from birth to his mid-20s which had to shape his outlook on life in a major way

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Son Woong-Jung is definitely your quintessential strict, tough-love Asian father/teacher, but he strikes a great balance with that and humility. He re-iterates and emphasizes the importance of happiness

That makes him different from so many of those kinds of Asian parents that I've encountered, including my own. The fact that he gives his son two thumbs-up from his seat is actually quite huge. Not all kids of these kinds of parents are as lucky to see that explicit acknowledgment and approval *[and enthusiasm, with means a lot!]

Son Woong-Jung may be tough but it appears he is a genuine good 'un. I'm happy Sonny has him

It must be incredibly difficult to strike the "you can always do better" sentiment over the "you're not good enough" sentiment. I've seen people be absolutely wrecked mentally in the long run with the latter. Thar toxic mentality can really fuck you up, even if in the short run, you perform.

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Many Asian parents also pick and choose the extra-curricular activity for their children and force them into years of lessons and practice even if they hate it. Sonny's father exposed him to different activities and told him to choose one he loved to focus on, so from the beginning he wasn't in it for his own ego but prioritising his son's wishes. (There are non-Asian parents guilty of this as well, Andre Agassi hated tennis and all through adulthood he had a very tumultuous and pained relationship with his father because he was forced into it). One of the biggest stamps of approval you can get as a parent is if your child, once he/she grows up, genuinely respects you and clearly Son does despite all the hardships he went through.

The struggle with Asian parents is real shit 😪

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u/elmosesyeah avatar

Conte apparently told Heung-Min to introduce me to him

I fear for our players

such a well spoken person

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yeah lots of idiomatic languages and a great mentality behind it, no wonder son became such a baller

he's indeed very well spoken, u/MASSIVE_HORSE_PENIS

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Strive to Thrive is sounds like cool ass band name

I just watched Whiplash (2014) last night and so it’s still fresh in my mind. Son’s father reminds me a bit of Terence Fletcher, but not to that extreme. But it’s interesting to think about the similarities in their philosophies

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Similarities, yes, but the differences are also striking. Fletcher’s treatment of his students was intended to drive them to “greatness” but his motivations seemed to be self-serving and egotistical. He also didn’t give a shit about happiness, future prospects, humility etc. It was basically “fuck you, perform and don’t make a mistake or you’re out.”

Fletcher would never have feared for a student’s success because he was worried that they would be unhappy after reaching a high, he would have just been delighted that he succeeded. It’s a really interesting line to walk, determining what separates tough love from abuse

Great great movie btw

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u/ljshea1 avatar

Some beautiful words on happiness, and the importance of playing for a club you love. We could all learn from him a great thing or two on the benefits of a humble attitude too.

But the guy's a psycho lmao, full on discipline fetish. Positive reinforcement is okay sometimes lol.

Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. I get that Asian culture is different and I only have an outsider’s perspective, but he’s got that abusive spouse vibe. Acknowledging his accomplishments without giving him credit and demeaning him at the same time.

I’m no psychologist, just a dad who thinks it’s kinda fucked up.

I don't think stuff like "all that's fair must fade" is demeaning, especially when you're also planning to open a museum for your kid's accomplishments. He seems like he's extremely supportive of Son and talks a lot about happiness.

I guess my point is that positive reinforcement doesn't only come in praise

u/Ok-Water-7110 avatar

You gotta relax with this shit mate, diff cultural norms you’re looking at it from a western lens. Absolutely nothing wrong with this

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I mean they have the highest suicide rate in the developed world because of behaviors like this but I guess

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It's mostly because of the poverty rate among the elderly, but go on with your guesses.

Obviously there’s a balance to be had. But it’s easy for outsiders/westerners to see Asian cultures and demean them for being “too strict” or “abusive”

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Most of Asia has this uber competitive drive, so then Asians must be killing themselves in droves by your logic

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That’s a cop out

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I acknowledged cultural norms.

You’re a fucking troll account.

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Not everyone is as soft as baby shit like you mate

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I like how you have a son flair but say that his dad (who he’s clearly close with) has “that abusive spouse vibe.” You should DM Son about it, I’m sure he’ll agree with you!

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I told him "good always comes with bad, higher mountain peak means deeper valley". The higher you go up, the more it hurts when you come crashing down.

Damn, Son.....

Certified quality translation!

What an intelligent and deep thinker. It’s no surprise Sonny has done so well with that type of encouragement and discipline coming from his father.

What an eloquent translation, thanks so much!

u/Fleaaa avatar

Aim high, prepare for the worst while keep drilling again and again

Sounds 101 principle but we all know it's so hard to get by, no wonder his kid is doing well

Great work, OP. Thank you.

Thank you for translating this! It’s a very interesting read.

u/mynonohole avatar

4 hours of keep ups did hone Son’s craft but I wonder how does father make sure Son doesn’t burn out ? His father briefly mention some things about making sure Son has free time after practice or such but I would like him elaborate more on that .

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This guy makes other Asian parents look like slackers