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This happened quite a while ago, and I never really kept up with it aside from what would pop up on my feed I would occasionally take a glance. Anyway, everything I saw that entire year was 100% in support of Johnny and the rare person to call him an abuser was bashed endlessly. There was countless memes and videos about Amber calling her out for lying, making fun of things she did, etc. I don't think I heard more than two people during this trial and shortly after say anything positive about her.
However, I've noticed lately, seemingly out of nowhere, suddenly everyone is in support of her. They are praising Elon musk for keeping her in Aquaman, sharing her outfits, calling Johnny an abusive liar and a scumbag, praising her for being brave, etc and now if someone tries to defend Johnny they get the same treatment if not worse as the aforementioned amber supporters.
So what's up? What changed? I never picked a side to begin with, it's not my bag, but did something new come out? I can't understand the drastic change in public opinion so far after the event actually happening
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna30926
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Answer: A couple of months after the verdict in Depp's favor, some of the "I stand with Johnny" people crowdfunded the $3300 cost to release over 6000 pages of sealed trial documents. I cannot really say why they did this without coming across as biased, but -- whatever they were looking for -- they got some stuff that they weren't expecting. This included Depp and his attorneys trying and failing to get nude pictures of Heard entered into evidence. This, and some of the other Depp team tactics that came to light, painted a somewhat different picture of things for all but the most ardent Depp supporters. The end result is that a lot of people are coming back to Heard's side, or -- at least -- moving to a more neutral position on the matter and away from Depp.
There are many people who are also suggesting that the verdict would have been different if the jury had been sequestered and not exposed to the social media furor during the trial, which was overwhelmingly negative toward Heard.
It has been suggested that many people are beginning to actively support Heard on TikTok and other social media out of a sense of guilt for how far things went during the trial.
The social media furore was very much Johnny Depps strategy for winning this case.
His first lawyer, Adam Waldman was a former Russian lobbyist. He was involved in the publishing of the Clinton emails i the 2016 election. He got struck from the case for publicly criticising Amber Heard, but he was still the one who set the strategy.
Johnny Depp lost his first defamation trial in the UK. It was pretty clear that he was the abuser, and a judge not influenced by social media could see that.
In the US trial his strategy was to have the trial in a state where it would be broadcast by default. The Daily Wire spent thousands on articles against Amber Heard. Half of the trial clips people were using as for Tiktoks were clipped and uploaded by the Daily Wire. There were allegations of Russian bots, though unproven that would fit with Waldmans MO.
Then when the trial ended people started turning away from Depp. I'm sure the trial documents influenced that. But the abrupt stop indicates to me that a lot of the behind the scenes for creating a anti Amber Heard campaign online also stopped.
The standards of evidence are also much stronger in the UK, Depp and his team knew that if they did it again in the USA they'd have the ability to submit almost anything they wanted and have all sorts of people called up as witnesses.
That's true, though I can't really say Johnny Depp did that well in the trial itself. Johnny motioned towards the opposing council during testimony that they should meet him outside, presumably for a fight. Social media wouldn't have ignored that in a normal trial.
When did that happen?
uk allows hearsay evidence USA does not, so the standards of evidence are more valid/stronger in USA.
the only case that was Depp vs heard (meaning there was full discovery against both parties equally) was in VA. During this trial Heard was impeached many Times, and the evidence of altered photos, and audios of her admitting to starting physical fights caused the result that the jury ruled her abuse allegations a hoax.
Interesting! I knew that making a public shit show out of the trial was a deliberate tactic by Johnny Depp, but I didn’t realize how deep the roots were between him and people on the political right.
I did notice that it seemed like a lot of these right wing “manosphere” types were all suddenly Stanning for Johnny. I figured it was just that I’m looking for an opportunity to bash a supposedly “liberal Hollywood female.”
Also, in general, it is insanely hard to win a defamation case against any type of news organization.
Adding on to that, a lot of (not all, obviously) accounts supporting Depp during the trial were bots posting the same comments over and over again. Those bots stopped being active almost immediately after the trial.
For what it's worth, a lot of us just went back to regular life. There was a huge community of LawTube streamers covering the trial in shifts and it built of a really big organic following (until the increased attention ended up causing a lot of drama and a split, but that's a story for another time) and after it was over, it was just over.
I don't think anyone thought Depp was an innocent victim, it was pretty clear they're both advanced horrible in their own way. But the professional witnesses, testimony, legal representation, and even Amber herself really undermined her biggest domestic abuse claims which is really what the defamation trial was about.
If people want to relitigate(heh) the drama or just rep for their team now that's fine. I don't think either should be barred from ever having a career again. But as far as what the trial showed, I think Depp deserved the decision he got.
I will now go back to not posting about this again for the next 3 years.
My opinion is Heard and Depp both did some hugely bad things, and if Depp is going to get cancelled, she should be as well (also Ezra Miller - why the fuck did Depp get removed from the Fantastic Beasts franchise but not Ezra?)
Either everyone gets cancelled for being a shitty person or none of them do, it's not fair that only Depp gets cancelled for being shitty but Heard doesn't. They're both better off without each other and I hope Depp goes to rehab and it sticks.
That people are STILL acting like poor widdle Amber Heard is some tragic victim who did literally nothing wrong is stupid. They're both pieces of shit. But him being a piece of shit doesn't mean it was okay for her to not donate money to charity like she said she would. And you'd think she could afford a better lawyer team.
No, there's a lot of evidence that Depp was the main abuser an Heard acted as any abuse victim would.
She was also not in any way defaming him and ruining career by saying she "was identified as a victim abuse". That was supposed to be what the judgment was about. He's alcoholic and addicted to drugs, he shows 8 hours late on set and he refuses to learn lines. He has violently assaulted crew members. No one wants to work with him because he's a nightmare to work with. He just blames it on his ex.
Amber Heard shows up on time, knows her lines and does her own stunts. Of course people prefer to work with her.
Cool facts, bro. All true. None of which has anything to do with the claims that he was violently beating her within an inch of her life the day before her team tipped off a TMZ reporter to come take a picture of a bruise.
Depp shouldn't be anyone's hero, but being a child of addicts and real physical abuse, it's not a contest about who is less bad. Some elements, the most extreme ones, the most dangerous ones, are not supported by the evidence.
If what she claimed is true, canceling is not enough, he needs to be in felony lock up.
What is the evidence that depp was an abuser?
What is the evidence that depp was an abuser?
It was always transparent that Depp was clearly a bad guy and embarrassing that people were buying into his PR bullshit.
Even the verdicts of that (civil, not criminal) trial (which therefore has a significantly lower bar in terms of value of evidence), that Heard defamed Depp by accusing him of abuse and Depp defamed Heard by accusing her of faking the evidence of said abuse, made absolutely no sense and would have been thrown out by any semi-competent judge.
If the evidence of Depp abusing Heard wasn’t faked, how did she defame Depp by accusing him of abuse?
Not to mention several of the things that came up in that trial should have immediately had it thrown out, like when heard supposedly sliced his finger open but it was with the bottle he’d smashed and threatened to stab her with. Even the whole “heard shat in their bed thing” I’m amazed people still believe given that Depp and his serial sex offender BFF Marilyn Manson both had an open history of shitting in people’s beds for fun by their own admission and the person who testified it was heard had been openly paid a very large amount of money by Depp immediately before testifying.
He essentially used that civil trial to smear her reputation as revenge after he’d lost his libel case against the sun in the UK for calling him a wife beater (for context, the UK is one of the easiest jurisdictions in the world to win a libel case, especially when you’re wealthy, it’s heavily weighted against the defendant and in favour of the rich, and if there’s no truth to the allegations he would have easily won that case)
Neither MM nor Depp has a history of pooping in beds, and where is the evidence that his witnesses regarding her pooping in the bed were paid? His cleaner testified it was a human sized poop, and her best friend testified she had taken the dogs out that morning when she went to make coffee.
This is a slightly less unbiased article, basically Depp lost some celebrity support, or at least they distanced themselves.
https://www.insider.com/johnny-depp-fans-helped-pay-for-unsealed-records-from-his-trial-are-they-sorry-2022-8
While Depp does not look good in it, Heard does not look better for it. The fact finding against heard is not suddenly reversed because Depp look like an ass, it still stand.
Unbiased , they are both terrible people.
I don't know what you're insinuating. In order to follow the rules of this sub, I deliberately left out my opinion about why the Johnny stans paid to have the records released. And they DID pay to have the records released.
I never alleged that any of the accusations against Heard were untrue.
My personal opinion of Depp and Heard has not changed one iota from what it did during the trial. They are two entitled individuals with substance abuse problems, anger issues, and an underdeveloped sense of decency. I didn't watch any of the trial, and I never understood why anybody took sides in their petty squabble.
Depp fans did not pay to have records released - they were already released by the judge, Depp fans simply paid for a copy of said released records.
It was apparent to me that both were / are train wrecks and both did underhanded shit to influence the trials and society at large. The only difference is that Depp never seemed to take on the mantle of an innocent. He doesn't deny he's a walking shit show - Heard's "poor poor pitiful me" shtick blew up quite badly though.
honestly that ended up being my take away after watching the whole USA trial (I got weirdly hyperfixated on it). they're both entitled rich people that do too many drugs & don't know how to resolve conflict.
the pro-heard people got pissed at that take and said I might as well be pro-depp and I got pissy and started saying fine! I am pro-depp! really what I got from it was that Heards lawyers seemed under prepared while Depps were super composed & depp is good at telling stories and Heard is not so good at seeming genuine with her emotions.
watching the trial also really felt like watching a movie cause of all the casual mentions of coke and private jets, private islands, rented mansions, entire floors owned of a huge apartment building. it was such a huge disconnect from a normal persons life that I was just like...wtf is this production? people really live like this? just gonna, pop off to my island to detox off One (1) specific drug? sure bro! sure!
fuck maybe if I had that type of money I'd do a few lines of coke with my tampon applicator straw my SIL showed me how to use before flying to Australia when I feel like it to shoot a disney movie why the fuck not
Yeah, it was clear that Depp had done some abusive things if one where to have watched the USA trial like I did. He did come out as looking better than her, but there were details that slipped through the facade that showed some of his bad behavior as well.
Still, some of the shit she did was crazy toxic, so if people want to see her as the sole victim, that's annoying. They both suck.
That's what people seem to be forgetting: they're both miserable pieces of shit. What does it matter "who's worse than the other" when we know they're both awful people?
There was never a lot of evidence that Heard was equally abusive, so I guess I agree that the document didn't change anything. But the whole "they were both terrible people thing" is a lie and a cop out.
What did Heard do that was as bad as Depp? Scream: "tell the world Johnny, tell them I was abused". Is that in any universe as bad as repeatedly attacking your partner and then dragging them through court in two separate countries. Making sure the trial was in a state where it would be broadcast, so we could all argue about it like it's a tv show.
She admitted to starting physical violence, she lied under oath and she was arrested for DV against her wife in 2009.
That's not what we're arguing. Do you admit he cut his own finger of? Why are you deflecting, if you don't believe that you're wrong?
They are both toxic people who were toxic to each other throughout their toxic relationship.
There's no good guy or bad guy here. It's like seeing a giant spider kill a snake in your house. Your house still sucks.
This was basically my take at the time of the trial (and I think led to my most downvoted comment of all time lol).
I do think he's a little worse because of the pleasure he appeared to take throughout. Learning that he'd hoped to submit revenge porn as part of the trial to further humiliate her really does make him seem far worse but she's pretty toxic too.
She is toxic, he is a rapist. I think that goes further than “a little worse.”
What's this about?
Where is the evidence he is a rapist?
I think my most downvoted comment was when I tried to explain that letters of character from friends during sentencing is a normal part of the US justice system process and not a reason to cancel Ashton Kutcher. It doesn't make what I said less accurate or correct just because people don't like to hear it.
It does look like she’s not the best person ever, but self defense =/= abuse.
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Totally. People seem shocked that two people who won the genetic lottery and had a clear path to easy success in their lives would grow up to be two pieces of shit when this seems to be the most normal outcome. The show "the boys" is literally a
perversionallegory of this with super powered people as stand-ins for celebrities and heirs to estates.Yeah there were blatant lies from both of them at the trial, like accusing them of beating the hell out of each other right before a public event where they look fine, videos and texts where they both say the most abhorrent shit to each other, etc. I'm not surprised that someone with untreated BPD and someone with untreated bipolar and known anger issues, both with more money and fame than they knew what to do with, were a match made in hell.
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Social media, especially Twitter and TikTok, tends to embrace black and white morality in every situation (look at the Israel/Palestine discourse right now). They want an easily defined villain and an easily defined victim. The world is not that convenient.
I also remember a LOT of misogynistic comments showing up from the pro-Depp crowd. I think people also just tend to support and defend whatever fits their existing worldview.
Exactly. It's why I prefer my movies more nuanced. I'd rather watch Watchmen where the lines of morality are very blurred over a Superman movie where there's good and evil.
I don’t mind it in fiction, since it’s fiction. Bugs the hell out of me when people in real life want to designate one villain and one victim so they can set themselves up as the hero. (Under the presumption that hashtagging about something is heroic.)
Exactly. People like to think there's only one toxic person in a relationship. This happened when my ex and I broke up. People were comforting me telling me he was toxic, but I sucked too! I was also toxic and horrible to him, and i will fully admit it. I've since gotten lots of help, and I like to think I'm a better person now.
Lol while the court documents weren’t exactly good press for Depp, nothing in there changed anything about the actual case. The most relevant thing in there was when he threw a bottle on a plane in an indiscriminate fit of rage and almost hit a lady. The real answer is that public opinion hasn’t changed, just that only people still following this situation are the most opinionated ones, while the majority of people don’t even care anymore. Fitting how Redditors think that Reddit is the voice of the world lol
I find it so hard to take anyone seriously when they start their argument with "Lol."
Lol
And now, supporting Heard becomes the “I’m not like the other influencers” thing to do, so all unique snowflakes will do it for attention. And then of course, the rest of the influencers will follow because that’s now the trend to be part of. Soon after, this becomes the new norm in social hysteria land.
This is completely separated from whether or not Depp or Heard deserves any of it, of course.
Or people just have a differing opinion.
Sure, I'm sure there are plenty of people who have a real opinion about this, but this does not have to exclude whatever dynamic social media creates.
The main thing is your completely unearned sense of superiority
This is incorrect, the documents show there was no intention to show nude pictures of heard unless she claimed to have injuries that photos would disprove.
the dirty tactics revealed were more from heards attys.
Answer: it’s been a campaign that’s been going on since the trial ended. The people that were Amber die hards are still actively supporting her and while the majority of people that were for Johnny just don’t care cause it’s over.
You didn’t see the documentary
I don’t need to see a doc. I watched the trail and all the fall out afterwards. I paid attention to the social about and the lawyers talking about the case. That doc is flawed and stole content from many and never asked for consent to use it. Emily D backer who is in the documentary talked about how she was never reached out to along with others.
Seriously, people are making opinions about this case and didn't watch the trial back to back days. I watched Emily's channel as well. I understand that people don't have time for that -- but I think the people that did watch it back to back for the month it went on have and really clear perspective about Amber Heard. She sat up on the stand and many of the things she said were not backed by evidence. My tipping point was the wine bottle incident description & why didn't she go to a doctor? And how she said there were cuts on her feet and she was bleeding but none of the servants saw that and there was no evidence of that. She seemed to talk about so many trivial things it was hard to follow the story she was telling. She buried herself on the stand.
I think it was a bad relationship propelled by ego and they should continue their lives and move on. Amber Heard shouldn't be banned from making movies though, no one should be banned from working and making a living. She can make a comeback by simply doing some indie movies and dedicating her life to her child and abuse victims, if she truly believes she was abused. The pledging to charity wasn't indicative that she cares about abuse victims, it was about how she was perceived by the public. I think her meeting Johnny Depp and liking all the same books he did was a dead giveaway and huge red flag. She's a chameleon or really good at lying or tells white lies and then believes what she says as fact. Again, it was obvious if you watched everyday of her testimony and cross examination.
You are aware that a lot of victims don't seek medical attention, right? This is just victim blaming.
Actually Ben King testified in the UK trial that he witnessed cuts on Amber. In the US trial he testified she had no injuries. I wonder why his testimony changed?
I know when you tell them you watched with lawyers commentary and their all they hate women ect, ect. All the lawyers except one all said he is going to loose this trial , he’s an idiot for taking it to court and so forth. They changed their minds because of what happen in the trial. I just roll my eyes at this point.
The most important thing I did learned from this trial is how amazing home owners’ insurance is. I had no idea it covered so much.
Yeah, Johnny got his justice. It's the Heard supporters that can't let it go.