The SAAF Forum • View topic - Avro Shackleton MR Mk.3

The SAAF Forum

Discussion on the SAAF and other southern African air forces.
Last visit was: 30 May 2024, 06:39 It is currently 30 May 2024, 06:39

All times are UTC




 [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Avro Shackleton MR Mk.3
PostPosted: 14 Jan 2012, 19:45 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 14 Mar 2007, 14:57
Posts: 5443
Location: ILS RWY19, FACT (Cape Town)
Been busy updating my SAAF Shackleton info & fates, ... anybody got any corrections or additions :?:

1716 / J - c/n1526, first flight 29th March 1957, accepted at the Woodford Airfield by 35 Sqdn on the 16th May 1957, ferried to RAF St Mawgan for SAAF air-crew work-up exercises on the 21st May 1957, Departed for South Africa on the 13th August 1957, arrived Waterkloof on the 18th August 1957, Progressively modified up to Phase III standard. Wing re-sparring took place in South Africa, from March 1973 to April 1976. The aircraft took part in the retirement ceremony flypast at DF Malan airport, Cape Town, on the 23rd November 1984. She was ferried from Cape Town to the SAAF Museum Swartkops on the 4th December 1984, with Capt Louis van Wyk as aircraft Captain. Restored to airworthy status in 1994, for planned attendance at a series of airshows in the UK. 1716 departed Cape Town International RW01 on the 8th July 1994, for the United Kingdom, routing via Libreville, Gabon, - Abidjan, Ivory Coast, - Lisbon, Portugal for intended entry into the UK via Brize Norton. Crashed 13th July 1994, in the Western Sahara Desert (22.38N, 03.14W) en-route to the UK.

1717 / O - c/n1527, first flight on the 6th May 1957, accepted at the Woodford Airfield by 35 Sqdn on the 16th May 1957, ferried to RAF St Mawgan for SAAF air-crew work-up exercises on the 21st May 1957, Departed for South Africa on the 13th August 1957, arrived Waterkloof on the 18th August 1957, from where 1716, 1717, & 1718 departed to Cape Town. The a/c was progressively modified up to Phase III standard. Wing re-sparring was done from September 1975 to October 1977. The aircraft was withdrawn from service & placed in storage at AFB Ysterplaat. During October 1987, she was dismantled & transported by sea to Durban, & then via road to the Midmar Dam, for static display at the Natal Parks Board transport museum. Financially the Natal Parks Board were unable to keep funding the museum, and all the exhibits were disposed of. With the subsequent closure of the Midlands Historic Village, where the aircraft was displayed, she was bought on auction by Mr Desai, a private businessman from Stanger in Kwazulu Natal. As of 2006, the airframe had been cut up for scrap, with only the engines remaining, potentially being sold to the UK.

1718 / K - c/n1528, first flight on the 13th May 1957, accepted at the Woodford Airfield by 35 Sqdn on the 16th May 1957, ferried to RAF St Mawgan for SAAF air-crew work-up exercises, Departed for South Africa on the 13th August 1957, and arrived Waterkloof on the 19th August 1957, from where 1716, 1717, & 1718 departed to Cape Town. The a/c had a wheels-up landing at DF Malan airport on the 9th November 1959, and was repaired during 1959-1960. She crashed in the Wemmershook mountains during poor weather, on the 8th August 1963. The aircraft was taking part in a CAPEX exercise, when severe icing caused loss of control, and the aircraft crashed inverted into a mountain valley, killing all 13 onboard. The crew were: Capt Thomas Howard Sivertsen , Capt Jaques Guillaume Labuchagne, Lt George James Smith, Lt Abraham Gert Willem Coetzee, CO Derek Ian Strauss, 2/Lt Charles Alwyn du Plooy, WOII Sydney Shields Scully, A/Cpl Charl Paul Viljoen, A/Cpl Marthienus Christoffel Vorster, T/A/Cpl Matthys Johannes Taljaard, A/Cpl Michel Adolf Brodreiss, F/Sgt David Hope Sheasby, Air Mech Johannes Chamberlain.

1719 / L - c/n1529, first flight on the 6th September 1957, accepted by 35 Sqdn in January 1958, departed for Cape Town on the 8th February 1958, arrived Cape Town on the 13th February 1958. Returned to the UK for training with Coastal Command on the 25th February 1963 and returned to South Africa on the 1st April 1963. Progressively modified up to Phase III standard. She was withdrawn from service on the 24th April 1978 & in storage at AFB Ysterplaat. Static display outside clubhouse at Stellenbosch airfield. Static display at the V&A Waterfront in Cape Town, cut up for scrap.

1720 / M - c/n1530, first flight on the 26th September 1957. Accepted by 35 Sqdn in January 1958. departed for Cape Town on the 8th February 1958, arrived Cape Town on the 13th February 1958. During asymmetric practice on the 18th September 1961, landed in undershoot at DF Malan airport, and was badly damaged. Repaired on site, with a hangar being constructed around the aircraft whilst repairs were carried out. Progressively modified over the years up to Phase III standard by March 1973. Tthe aircraft was withdrawn from service on the 10th March 1983, after reaching the end of its fatigue life. Initially allocated as a gate-guard at AFB Ysterplaat, she is displayed outside the WO's club, now having been sprayed in the1957 delivery colours & marked as 1717-O.

1721 / N - c/n1531, first flight 12th December 1957, accepted by 35 Sqdn on the 30th January 1958, departed for Cape Town on the 14th February 1958, and arrived cape Town on the 26th February 1958, damaged in a wheels-up landing at AFB Ysterplaat on the 10th September 1962. Progressively modified over the years up to Phase III standard, has the distiction of being the Shackleton which using depth charges, sunk the damaged tanker Wafra in March 1971. This after attempts by the Buccaneers of 24 Sqdn to sink the ship had failed. Took part in the retirement ceremony flypast at DF Malan airport on the 23rd November 1984. Ferried to SAAF Museum Swartkops for static display in December 1984. She was used as a parts donor for the restoration of 1716.

1722 / P - c/n 1532, First flown on the 7th February 1958. Departed for South Africa on the 14th February 1958, arriving Cape Town on the 26th February 1958. On the 7th June 1960 the aircraft nosewheel assembly refused to lock down, and she landed on a foam strip at Langebaanweg. The nose undercarriage collapsed on touchdown resulting in slight damage. The aircraft was repaired and progressively brought up to Phase III (non-Viper) standard. She returned to the UK on the 28th June 1964 for Joint Anti Submarine School (JASS) course, flying from RAF Ballykelly. Returning to Cape Town on the 30th July 1964. Took part in final retirement ceremony, overflying DF Malan in formation with 1716 and 1721 on the 23rd November 1984. Retained by 35 Sqn at DF Malan in ground running condition for the SAAF Museum. Her last flight was on the 24th September 2006, at the Africa Aerospace & Defence airshow, after which the Chief of the Air Force, felt the value of Shackleton 1722 was too high to risk by continuing to fly the aircraft, and she was grounded. This ended the famous "Pelican22"'s flying career, which had spanned an impressive 48 years!

1723 / Q - c/n1533, First flown on the 10th February 1958. Departed for South Africa on the 14th February 1958, and on arrival at AFB Ysterplaat on the 26th February 1958, the aircraft suffered a hydraulic failure. The undercarriage and flaps were lowered using emergency air, but the brakes were inoperative and the aircraft ran off the runway, colliding with a brick building. The damage to No. I engine was repaired. Progressively modified up to Phase III standard. The aircraft was retired on the 22nd November 1977, having expended her fatique life. Ironically she was the last aircraft delivered, but the first to be retired. She was stored in the open at AFB Ysterplaat until sold, and in March 1987, was put on display on top of Vic de Villiers 'Vic's Viking', garage in Johannesburg. This was a three way swop, with the Shackleton replacing a Vickers Viking, ZS-DKH, which went to the SAA Museum, and the SAA museum then gave the SAAF Museum three Ventura's. 1723 was initially kept displayed in her SAAF colours, but was subsequently over the years sprayed red/white in Coca Cola colours, then blue/white in SASOL colours.

Cheers

_________________
Brent Best


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 14 Jan 2012, 20:38 
Offline

Joined: 19 Oct 2005, 10:39
Posts: 1372
Location: United Kingdom
Quite a few of the crew killed on 1718 K are buried at Plumstead Cemetery next to the CWGC area.

I will have pictures of
Lt. AGW Coetzee
Cpl Brodreiss ( Born Germany 1942)

There are number of other SAAF graves with them in a terrible state, stones fallen over etc. Those within the CWGC are perfect a few feet away.

But I think there were more, at the time I was interested more in the WWI & II graves


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 08:29 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 09 Jun 2010, 18:22
Posts: 362
Location: Marina da Gama, W. Cape, S Africa
What is CWGC?

_________________
"You can't buy happiness but you can buy wine, and that's kind of the same thing." - Anonymous


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 08:35 
Offline

Joined: 19 Oct 2005, 10:39
Posts: 1372
Location: United Kingdom
CWGC = Commonwealth War Graves Commission

They look after all the War Graves for WWI & II and pay the Grave yard attendents etc


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 10:04 
Offline
Honorary Order of the Trommel
User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2009, 10:34
Posts: 2092
Quote:1723 was initially kept displayed in her SAAF colours, but was subsequently over the years sprayed red/white in Coca Cola colours, then blue/white in SASOL colours. Endquote

I think we should start a lobby group to get legislation in place to stop retired aircraft being painted in these aweful colours. The Shack quoted is one such example. The Frelon painted in those gaudy colours is another. Legislate!! :evil: :-x :-x :evil:


Last edited by Doug on 15 Jan 2012, 10:29, edited 1 time in total.

Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 10:27 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 14 Mar 2007, 14:57
Posts: 5443
Location: ILS RWY19, FACT (Cape Town)
Thanks Doug.

Horrible colours indeed, but at least she lives, has not been sold for scrap, & turned into razor blades ... :roll:

_________________
Brent Best


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 11:50 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 09 Jun 2010, 18:22
Posts: 362
Location: Marina da Gama, W. Cape, S Africa
Doug wrote:
I think we should start a lobby group to get legislation in place to stop retired aircraft being painted in these aweful colours.

Maybe the Harvards too? Inkwazi and Siyandiza?

_________________
"You can't buy happiness but you can buy wine, and that's kind of the same thing." - Anonymous


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 12:19 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 14 Mar 2007, 14:57
Posts: 5443
Location: ILS RWY19, FACT (Cape Town)
Can anybody confirm the date of the last flight of 1722 ? I was under the impression that it was at AAD2006 :?:

From below it seems to have been in 2008 ... meaning that she indeed had a flight career spanning 50 years :?:

Quote:
So the last flying Shackleton in the world was certainly 'Pelican 22', whose final flight happened on March 29, 2008. This was a typical flight which took it over the city of Cape Town, and then out over the Atlantic Ocean, then back over Robben Island to Ysterplaat AFB. This final flight was piloted by Captain Peter Dagg. The crew included flight engineer Bronkhorst and ground engineer Potgieter.


http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/7651.htm

_________________
Brent Best


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 12:55 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 09 Jun 2010, 18:22
Posts: 362
Location: Marina da Gama, W. Cape, S Africa
Photos of 1722 (possibly taxiing out on it's last flight) and some of the crew at AAD 2006.
Apologies for the poor quality.

Image
Image

_________________
"You can't buy happiness but you can buy wine, and that's kind of the same thing." - Anonymous


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 19:00 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 03 May 2005, 06:40
Posts: 3457
Location: Whangarei, New Zealand
I think that I might have asked this before but why are some overalls day-glo orange and others green? Is their a specific reason for this?

_________________
A plan is simply a basis for change.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 20:22 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 18 Oct 2011, 14:54
Posts: 179
Location: Gordon's Bay
H1017412 wrote:
I think that I might have asked this before but why are some overalls day-glo orange and others green? Is their a specific reason for this?


Green is the standard colour for SAAF aircrew overalls. Dayglo overalls are worn by all aircrew operating over the ocean (or for that matter for prolonged operations over large tracts of water). It is for high-visibility during S&R operations, hence the same colour for Mae Wests and the life-rafts, as well as the white "roofs" on the Shackleton, Albatross and the maritime C47TP.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 15 Jan 2012, 20:32 
Offline

Joined: 24 Sep 2011, 08:14
Posts: 119
Great work Kremlin


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 16 Jan 2012, 04:32 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 03 May 2005, 06:40
Posts: 3457
Location: Whangarei, New Zealand
antonkr wrote:
H1017412 wrote:
I think that I might have asked this before but why are some overalls day-glo orange and others green? Is their a specific reason for this?


Green is the standard colour for SAAF aircrew overalls. Dayglo overalls are worn by all aircrew operating over the ocean (or for that matter for prolonged operations over large tracts of water). It is for high-visibility during S&R operations, hence the same colour for Mae Wests and the life-rafts, as well as the white "roofs" on the Shackleton, Albatross and the maritime C47TP.


Awesome, thanks for that :)

_________________
A plan is simply a basis for change.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 04:55 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: 24 Aug 2009, 17:47
Posts: 94
A short video of the Shackleton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aHv737XrTA


Top
  
 
 [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group