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"Nixon was removed, it was a coup d'état" -Joe Rogan.
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TIL a coup is when you resign so the guy from your party that you hand picked to be your VP a month before can pardon you of your crimes
Resign because you literally sent deep state goons to wiretap your opposition party's campaign headquarters for literally malicious reasons. You deny it and then blame your aides.
Edit: let's help people remember what this was and what Tucker Carlson, the hack who was fired from Fox News because of the Dominion scandal, is JAQ'ing off about in front of Joe, shall we?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
And:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Plumbers
These excerpts illustrate the dark extent to which Tucker Carlson is lying about these incidents on the show. Moreover, they illustrate why Democrats have every right to be livid about this propaganda. Note also the ties these "plumbers" have to the Kennedy Assassination and the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
This is how goddamned awful these far-right propagandists have become in their desperate attempts to paint a traitorous, seditionist clown like Donald Trump as a "victim". All the while sucking off Vladimir Putin for every last drop of anti-democratic cum, especially Tucker Calrson, whose text messages in the Dominion Voting Systems trial reveal he was knowingly lying about everything and knowing allowing pathological liars to lie on his show to his very large, gullible conservative audience.
And what happened at Watergate was only the tip of the iceberg, they were literally blackmailing candidates across the country to get them to drop out of their races. They even kidnapped the attorney general's wife.
Ah, Martha Mitchell, yes, and they used psychiatric treatment as a weapon.
Ultimately, though, none of it matters, because it's clear to me what is being attempted here by bringing this up and framing Nixon as a victim: run interference for Trump with more "No U"-rhetoric, even though these things are not only not equivalent, they're moral opposites.
Trump and Nixon weren't victims, but that is the point of this talking point Joe is furthering. I even know where this theory originates, or at least I can point to one origin point. "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker, an author who is a Watergate truther, for example, and claims there was a Washington Post/CIA conspiracy against Nixon. I read his book.
It's not new, and it's an information war, I know that.
The best part is that by just making up bullshit and vomiting it out, they derail conversations and win by controlling the discourse. Just by addressing the bullshit a rational person loses.
If the right were as good at running the country as they are at propaganda, and put as much effort in, we would be living in a utopia.
That'd be applauded these days unfortunately
You don't know anything at all about Watergate, do you?That's where the term "Deep State" comes from (and Iran-Contra). It was a term promoted by e.g. professor Peter Dale Scott, to refer to the Watergate burglars, who were arrested and weren't actually there serving a warrant of any kind, which is why they were arrested (and tried). They were a mish-mash of former intelligence and anti-Castro Cubans. The same people who wanted to kill Kennedy. We're talking actual terrorists.
Glenn Greenwald then co-opted the term and served it up to Fox News, which is when it took off according to GDELT.
I'm sorry to be a bit crass, but you people are mentally naive, indistinguishable from children who are easily manipulated and know little to nothing. But Trump's "No U" modus operandi works on you simple-minded fools.Edit: I apologize.
Are you even replying to the right person?
Interestingly the concept of Depp State origin from Turkey (derin devlet) https://daily.jstor.org/the-unacknowledged-origins-of-the-deep-state/
This ☝️ Ty!
This post deserves some type of reward, a 🏆. #salute
Wasn't his VP not his choice?
Nixon nominated Ford and he was confirmed by huge Congressional majorities after Spiro Agnew resigned because he had accepted bribes.
You know what they say. "Do the crime, avoid the time if you're powerful enough."
Exactly. This is such a bullshit take, I'm shocked that anyone is remotely taken by it.
Nixon was a corrupt and dirty politician guilty of a crime. He had to resign because so many in his own administration resigned or turned against him, not to mention the ones that were being arrested. His position was untenable.
I mean House of Cards basically did this
Except it's not.....
Even if that’s true him and Kissinger should have been hanged for what they did to Cambodia
Christopher Hitchens wrote a book called “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” where he basically goes through all the illegal and evil shit Kissinger did. It’s almost shocking. At times it seemed like he would do evil shit just because he could. Even if there was no real strategic benefit.
Kissinger had a 6-parter on Behind the Bastards and even then I feel like that wasn't enough episodes haha
Came here to say this. Fantastic series.
Great series, was listening last week
I mean Robert says at one point that there are several whole swathes of Kissinger’s shenanigans that he considered covering, but it would result in like two more hours of the series so he decided to cut it. It would definitely be interesting to me, but when your standard fare as a creator is like two hours on a subject, I get wanting to cut it off at six.
I don't know much about Kissinger outside of the fact that he's considered to be some kind of comically evil figure. Does the series make his actions make at least some kind of sense, even if you don't agree with them?
Depends on what you mean by "sense." Does it justify any of the things he's done? Definitely not. Do they try to piece together the motivations of a guy who said if he wasn't Jewish he'd be an antisemite? Yes.
They start at his childhood and work their way up.
A lot of it fit the legal definition of terrorism.
Like, they bombed Laos and Cambodia, just to sow chaos and terror, so they wouldn't dare consider electing leftist governments.
Capitalism is fucking evil
That isn’t capitalism. It’s imperialism
Imperialism in furtherance of protecting and expanding capital, yes.
My guy, what if I told you imperialism is just a part of capitalism.
Captialsim was invented by the British at the height of the British Empire and in the middle of the Trans Atlantic Slave.
Captialism is imperialism
The English don't need to own the city of Hong Kong, as long as a majority of banks in Hong Kong are western banks
They don't need to prop up the Shah of Iran, as long as the Persian oil wells are "owner" by British Petrol
The Spanish don't need to hold coups against democratically elected leaders in Chile, as long as Spanish firms own Chilean copper mines
From Honduran Banana farms, to Bolivian Lithium, to Brazialin oil, and the Panama canal....
....captialism has ALWAYS been an arm of imperialism.
You think the FBI and CIA went around holding coups, and forcing captialism onto every country on Earth during Operation Condor out of the goodness of their own hearts?
You can bomb tf out of a country without capitalism
Never said otherwise, but the west literally held dozens of coups against democratically elected governments during Operation Condor, for access to their natural resources
Call it captialism, imperialism, colonialism, whatever...it was all done for greed and power.
Captialism us just the newest iteration, but it's no less evil, violent, and disgusting
Capitalism is literally just private business. That comes in all shapes and sizes. Some are good, some are bad. Just like people. What we need is capitalism with healthy regulation and social responsibility for companies.
That's not true
Worker coops and Worker collectives are private, but not captialist.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Captialsim is a hierarchy between owners and workers, where people can own without working...and people can work (sometimes for decades) and never own.
Socialism is all about tearing down this wall, so that every worker owns and every owner must work...and they hate the idea of working
Because nobody wants to work anymore, they wall just want to make "passive income" by exploiting the work of other people.
Not that I’m fully defending it, but the Cambodian bombing campaign was part of a wider strategy to get the US out of Vietnam, which had been a bug campaign promise that Nixon made. And in the end it did deliver
Read that book recently and fell in love with Hitchens prose lol. Probably learned 5 new words while reading it.
Henry Kissinger: The Forrest Gump of 20th century war crimes
Now that's a person I can listen too
The mother of one of my childhood friends had her village illegally bombed under Nixon
When is bombing legal?
When one of the 1,000 murderers doesn’t make a room of people laugh
When it’s on civilians outside of a war or declared military operation
No no, thats just a tuesday. Get this baby doomer out of here
You mean thats when it’s illegal right? Was the invasion of iraq legal?
When we do it
When the senate approves it, and not literally fabricating documents and flight paths to fake not bombing Cambodia when they were at the behest of Kissinger
When democrats do it.
Or to US troops by keeping them engaged in a losing battle for election purposes
The way Kissinger is revered and shielded within the foreign policy community is shocking. Guy single handedly torpedoed an entire region which is arguably still recovering from the damage.
That's why they revere him. They'd sanctify him if the damage was genocidal level
What JFK and LBJ did in Laos was worse than Kissinger in Cambodia. More bombs, less rationale.
There was a recent Shane Gillis podcast with an expert on watergate and it was pretty interesting
Yeah, love it when the dawgs get all historian mode.
I loved the shows where he breaks down all the US Presidents with Louis CK.
Louis talking about his undying Mexican childhood love for Nixon was hilarious
Also his recent civil war and native american episodes are amazing. Its so easy to overlook how smart shane is. West pointer knows his history.
So fucking funny
Matt and Shane’s secret podcast episode 490 for the people who don’t know
I listened to it and thought he was a nice guy who truly believed what he was saying but the evidence was flimsy at best. What did you find interesting about it? Because this is reddit and comments like this can be misconstrued I want to say that I’m genuinely asking too and not trying to be snarky or anything.
In the same way i think vampires are intetesting. The guy wrote a book about it, and virtually everything he said on the podcast he cited who told him. Read the book if you want, it was an hour and a half podcast, how much citing do you think youre gonna get?
Lmao I’m going to start using “the same way I think vampires are interesting” that’s great.
"who told him"
“He said he shit his pants this morning” but how did he know???
Dude, I felt the exact same way. Guy was talking so factually about shit with almost no evidence about anything he was claiming.
Homie literally said at the start of the episode that he only likes to speak on facts. And then literally speculated for an hour and a half. It was the worst MSSP I've ever heard.
Who is gonna provide cliff notes on a podcast, you have to read the book
If you claimed the official story of the Kennedy assassination was bullshit they'd expect you to cite that with papers you hold in your pockets at all time. Gotta love 'em.
It was so boring and uninteresting for something supposedly so scandalous that I can assure you I will never be reading that book. Also he could not stop smacking his gross dry old man mouth. Worst ep I can remember
I've been through this conversation about Nick Bryant before.
See here. The Nick Bryant in this instance is the latter one I'm referencing in the comment. He's a nobody and a zealous conspiracy theorist who peddles nonsense. He is nevertheless well-received in certain podcast circles. Wink wink.
The fact you didn’t get an answer is all you need to know.
Exactly, the idea that someone isn’t on Reddit 24/7 champing at the bit ready to respond to every comment immediately, it really speaks volumes…
Lol yup
There’s enough evidence to make it believable but not enough to prove concretely so the mystery of it all is fun. If you hear that there was a coup to put the cia in charge of the executive office that sounds crazy but CIA agents were responsible for watergate. Gerald ford somehow gets in office and he appoints Bush senior to the director of the cia. Twenty years later bush is the president.
Yup. Nick was also on Warmode a year or two ago
No it wasn’t. That dude was a bumbling moron who couldn’t complete a sentence let alone a thought. He seems very passionate about watergate, but everything he said was a meandering tale of hearsay said with complete conviction.
Edit: that sounded harsher than intended, it was a very frustrating listen.
lol interesting is a low bar in my book but ok
100% Joe talked to the same guy or heard the episode if he has that take this week. Interesting indeed especially the Woodward and Bernstein stuff. And totally thought he was a right wing shill until he called out Trump for being cycled in Epstein’s black book and helping destroy the middle class.
He's a leftist, how could he be a right wing shill?
Leftists actually do share some characteristics among right wingers. In fact I'd say it's easier to convert a right winger to a leftist than a right winger to a liberal. For instance, while leftists are much better about it, they both have anti-intellectuals among their ranks.
But in this case it would be a leftist turned right wing shill?
Tucker was on the show last week telling this story
There is no requirement to be left-wing to think this. This only rules him out from the far-right cult.
Joe learned the story from Tucker last week
Good job clarifying for the 90% of this sub that never listens to the pod