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Is the ogre hook actually two handed?


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I can only find one illustration in all of the books I own that depicts a two-handed ogre hook (the leftmost ogre on the cover of Hook Mountain Massacre). Was this really intended to be a two-handed weapon? Should there be a one-handed variant of this weapon?


Evil Lincoln wrote:
I can only find one illustration in all of the books I own that depicts a two-handed ogre hook (the leftmost ogre on the cover of Hook Mountain Massacre). Was this really intended to be a two-handed weapon? Should there be a one-handed variant of this weapon?

I ran this book a few months back, but IIRC all of the stat blocks were indicative of a 2 handed STR bonus to damage. I wouldn't see any reason why one couldn't make a one-handed version though.

Scarab Sages

It could be a one-handed weapon still, even if some ogre is wielding it with two hands. As long as the stat block doesn't have the ogre carrying another weapon or a shield, it's fair to assume it's being wielded with two hands.


On RotRL Player's Guide it is listed as two-handed melee weapon. Eventhough ogres could use normal hook one handed I ruled that they use it as bastard sword: some enemies used it as one handed weapon and some used it as two-handed.


Even though the ogres are all statted up using it two-handed, almost every illustration makes the grip look two short to effectively use two-handed.

Scarab Sages

Blue_Hill wrote:
On RotRL Player's Guide it is listed as two-handed melee weapon.

Could it be that the chart is medium-sized centric? That would explain why it's listed as a two-handed weapon, but one-handed for ogres. (I'm just tossin' out ideas, I'm too lazy to go look it up.)


Tom Baumbach wrote:
Blue_Hill wrote:
On RotRL Player's Guide it is listed as two-handed melee weapon.
Could it be that the chart is medium-sized centric? That would explain why it's listed as a two-handed weapon, but one-handed for ogres. (I'm just tossin' out ideas, I'm too lazy to go look it up.)

Yes, this is what I am curious about!

The stat blocks lead me to believe that a Large ogre hook is a two handed weapon for large creatures that deals 3d6 base damage. I'm okay with that, because I could always just arm them all with greataxes if I felt so inclined. The trouble is, I show the players a LOT of images in my maptool campaign, and all my ogre hook images (with a single exception) are einhanders.

Maybe I will mix in the occasional 1d12 one-handed medium hook, but that seems like it would be nerfing the ogres. Although a power attacking dual-wielder might be workable.

I'd love to hear the inside story from Paizo. Did all the artists miss the mark? What was the original intention? Am I wrong on both counts and the weapon is statted correctly and looks as it is depicted?

After the holiday break maybe.

Sovereign Court

If I had to guess, I'd say they meant (original concept a la RotRL Player's Guide) for them to be 1 handed for size large, 2 handed for size medium, but when the adventure was actually written they either A) decided they were too puny for ogres 1 handed sized large or B) scaled the Player's Guide weapon to Large instead of using a medium sized two-handed weapon in 1 large-sized ogre fist.

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