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They deliberately ambushed her on camera with unwanted anal contact to instill in her the feelings of shame and humiliation commonly felt by rape survivors.
uk.blastingnews.com/showbiz-tv/2016/12/disgust-over-last-tango-in-paris-rape-scene-confession-001300673.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/last-tango-in-paris-butter-scene-b2270513.html
Well WTF WAS THAT?
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These Method assholes always want to involve others in their “creative process”.
If you want to use a different accent when you talk to the PA taking your coffee order, that’s fine. But they’re out here sending fish and used condoms to their co-stars acting like it’s AT ALL professional and cool.
Bertolucci admits his “intent” was to remove the “actress” from the scene and get at the “girl”. Great job, so instead of trying to act a scene like a conversation between two artists, you now have a girl getting raped on film.
The productions are liable if they can’t reign in these monsters.
Robert Pattison had a good take on method actors where he pointed out that people only went method for playing arseholes and never for playing nice people. He’s right- method is largely an excuse for being a dick to people and getting away with it because “the character made me do it”.
There has method acting and methodic crime.
It's like saying "I was trying to remove the 'actor' playing 'dead' and get at the 'corpse', it was for art!" after killing someone on camera.
“Dustin Hoffman has long been known as one of method acting’s most earnest exponents. A showbiz story involves his collaboration with Laurence Olivier on the 1976 film Marathon Man. Upon being asked by his co-star how a previous scene had gone, one in which Hoffmann’s character had supposedly stayed up for three days, Hoffmann admitted that he too had not slept for 72 hours to achieve emotional verisimilitude. “My dear boy,” replied Olivier smoothly, “why don’t you just try acting?””
This excerpt I have taken from Guardian on Method acting but it sums it pretty nicely. This is what you are paid to do. You are an actor, just act. Don’t throw this method acting bullshit in the name of making others uncomfortable.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/31/method-acting-dustin-hoffman-meryl-streep
I know it's small potatoes cause Brandon still.partook, but it was the director whom you are quoting.
As my GrandPappy used to say, "the best art is nonconsensual and traumatic"
We must have the same Uncle Daddy.
TIL rape is art 🎭
/s just in case 🫠
You can't make art these days, it's gone too woke. /s
Imagine perpetrating and filming a sexual assault and calling it art.
Michael Myers walks into a bar, stabs to death a priest, a rabbi, an engineer, a physicist and a bear. Blood splatter everywhere. A crazy artist survives by hiding behind a body. He looks at bloody walls and says "that's some authentic Jackson Pollack shit right there. That is real art."
'You really have to respect the process'...
There must be suffering to create art. That’s supposed to be the artist’s suffering, not the suffering of others.
Talk about misunderstood directions.
People that should've gone to jail
So very very very illegal.
Times may have been different but they seriously didn't get that actually committing sexual assault was actually committing sexual assault??
It was still crazy at the time in 1972. It's rape now, and rape then, but the director and Brando were superstars and Maria had no idea how to process it or who to turn to. I was a kid, but I remember it being a WTF moment.
The “No” means yes generation. This also happens because of a lack in sexual education. So people have their own ideas with little or no thought of the other party’s input. Hearing the other side may dissuade some from doing this stuff. Or find a partner that likes such play. But discussions need to happen. Think how different Bill Cosby’s life could have been if he just paid women to pretend to be asleep.
Reminds me of the Family Guy bit with James Bond:
“You see boys…
750 no’s and a yes, means yes.”Can’t remember which one, but one of the Connery films does have him get rejected a few times and he just persists until she gives in. Some problematic scenes in those older films.
This is BS. Bill Cosby clearly got the thrill from the power he had over the victims, something he obviously wouldn't have gotten from someone pretending. And the generation you mentioned definitely knew they used and abused women. They just didn't care because no one cared.
That’s the point. Is it taking advantage without consent? Is it a sleeping beauty fetish? Is it a rape fantasy? The mechanics of the excitement. But if you deny it or try to suppress it? What it just stops? I also think this ties into the GOP and their hate for gays. They have people hiding their sexuality and angry others are living open lives
When my dad was in the army in the early '80s he ran a seminar on why it's bad to rape women
The men who attended those seminars legitimately did not understand the concept of consent
Until way too recently rape within marriage wasn't even illegal or seen as legitimate.
They didn't do this because lack of sex education or lack of understanding boundaries. Dont explain away these mens actions
That is a clear as day admission that the director knew exactly what he was doing, and that statement was fairly recent too. Cosby wasn't drugging and raping people because of a kink either. People who rape other people want to exert power and force over them - consensual play takes that away. This is not a matter of sex education but a matter of women being dehumanized in the eyes of these men who feel entitled to do whatever they want just because they want it.
That probably wouldn't have worked though, its often a power thing for people like Cosby so role play likely wouldn't have worked.
They knew they were assaulting her, they just also (rightfully) knew they would get away with it if they claimed it was for the "art"
But Marlon- reacting isn’t acting, which is what actors do, you numbskull
They always seemed to infantilise actresses so much. As if men could act fine but women really needed to be put in the situation without warning to get the desired response. Same can be said of Kubrick’s treatment of Shelley Duvall and Friedkin’s treatment of Ellen Burstyn
And Hitchcock torturing Tippi Hedren. Quite a pattern.
See also: Lars von Trier torturing Bjork.
Hitchcock tortured, straight out tortured, more than one actress. And let's not talk about his scat fetishism.
He should have been out in jail.
Ah yes the exorcist, didn't Ellen Burstyn get permanent damage from that? She complained about the stunt people dragging her too hard in one take so the director told her that the next take they would take it easy, he told them however to do it harder
Permanent back issue iirc.
When the demon slaps her and Ellen flies back from the concussion, they had a vest on her under her wardrobe, and there was a rope connected to the vest.
Ellen was nervous about it because it didn’t feel safe, but the director reassured her it would be fine. Ellen stated that right before the take started, she saw Friedkin(the director) non verbally give a look to the crew person to really tug on the rope.
So when the moment happened, the crew person pulled so hard on the rope, Ellen was violently yanked across the room and when she landed she dislocated her back. The shot in the film of her reacting is real. Real pain.
This. A lot of these actresses were chosen when they were young and these directors behaved like they were clay to "mold". Its disgusting.
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And this is how we got As Good As It Gets.
That Kubrick story has been debunked thoroughly. Stop repeating it. Friedkin treated everyone awful on the Exorcist. He slapped an actual priest across the face and filmed the reaction. It was considered “artistic” to go over the top as a director back then.
For a senior English class in high school, we worked towards doing a single performance of a Shakespeare play. We did Hamlet, and I was Polonius.
When I first encountered Hamlet after he reveals his plan to act crazy, the actor approached me by doing a somersault instead of walking over. That was never in the rehearsals I was a part of, and it startled the shit out of me.
That is an appropriate time to get a good performance out of an actor by surprising them. Not this.
Sanford Meisner and Stella Adler would vehemently disagree and say that all acting is re-acting
This is what I think of when old male actors talk about not needing intimacy coordinators. ICs exist because of actors/directors like this treating women as props without real emotions or thoughts. And there are lots of these stories out there.
It's fucking sad that Bertolucci can't even admit he shouldn't have done it. The movie She's Gotta Have It is really good but there is a rape scene in it and it's very casually shown. Spike Lee has said that his biggest regret is showing the scene the way he did. He recognized and grew from that as a filmmaker and as a person. Sounds like Bertolucci did nothing of the sort. Maybe there's another quote out there here he displays regret but from this it doesn't seem like he does and it's pretty sickening.
But if there is another quote out there that somebody can provide I will delete this comment.
Sam Raimi also regretted the tree rape scene in Evil Dead
That scene fucked me up as a teen. I've always enjoyed Raimi's work but that was rough. Glad to hear he grew as a Director.
But then he forced Rosy Perez to do a nude scene in Do The Right Thing. He had to keep her face out of the frame because she couldn’t stop crying.
Yeah, and he said he regretted that too. Do The Right Thing was 3 years later and he hadn't realized his errors yet. Much different than relishing in what you did even 40 years later.
He did admit he shouldn't have done it in his later years but because of the effect it had on Maria.
What the fuck? It’s not a fucking documentary. If you want an actor to act humiliated tell them to act that way. That’s literally their job. It’s up to them to figure out how to get the performance right.
Absolute filth. Fuck Marlon Brando and Bertolucci
You know…there are several stories like this. Where some director does something to get a “genuine” reaction instead of an acted one. It’s almost always a woman actor they do this to. Tarantino has done this, I’m pretty sure Hitchcock did. It’s misogyny. They don’t trust the woman’s ability to act. If they did, they would just tell her what they want her to do in the scene and then trust her acting. Directors rarely do this to men because they trust their acting.
ETA: I should have read down in the comments first. Others have made this exact point already.
I think it’s more than not trusting the actress to perform a scene properly. I think these directors see an opportunity to humiliate or harm a woman and call it “art”.
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That scene is so icky knowing that Amy and Rashida didn’t consent to see Chris naked. And the fact that he can go on talk shows and tell that story and not come across as a pervert is astounding
Spielberg did it to a child actor in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. They surprised him with someone wearing some crazy costume off camera to capture the kid’s look of wonder and amusement.
It wasn’t traumatic for the kid, but it’s not acting so much as “it’s a prank bro!” method of movie making, just to capture that “genuine” reaction.
Let actors act, because shocking a human isn’t directing, it’s exploitation.
Drew Barrymore talked about her experience with spielberg vs other directors and said he was the only one who ever care about the child actors, he always made sure to treat them like real people, keeping their health and happiness in mind not just on set but off it as well, he even put breaks in the filming schedule for days to do fun activities.
Then she compared that to the other directors and said Spielberg had spoiled her expectations because everyone else was awful, working her in unhealthy ways, making sexual comments, and treating her like a prop. The director of Firestarter used to set off the pyrotechnics at different times and places than she'd been told, so she'd genuinely scream in fright.
Y'know, I don't think you can really compare wearing a funny costume to make a young child look happier, to anally assaulting a woman to make her distressed.
I know you're speaking in good faith but I can think there's a big difference between scaring a child versus commiting actual rape.
She’s an actor for f*cks sakes - she could have acted the emotion. These two “geniuses” thought this was a great idea to assault a 19 year old on set.
Is it too late to throw him into an active volcano?
We won’t tell him, it’ll be a surprise.
We want his reaction as volcano fodder, not as a actor.
E: "not as a director" also stands, because fuck 'em both.
Sketch. There’s lots of appropriate uses of this technique, like surprising the kids in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory with the set for the first time or startling an actor in a horror movie… but surely a rape scene involving a 19 year old actress should be handled much more delicately. Lots of actresses have given good performances during such scenes without their directors and costars resorting to actually violating them.
Yeah, very big difference between 'this is the first time they ran the scene with Pennywise in full getup' and 'we shoved butter up her anus to get the shock we wanted'
TIL.....wtf?!?!?!?
Do they mean he didn't penetrate her with his dick?
The lubrication was part of the scene, not actual contact that happened as far as anyone who wasn't her know. Though my memory of how the scene is shot is non-existent and it's not exactly like they stick the butter rape scene on youtube. I think a lot of this is just throwing a humiliating twist onto a rape scene for a 19 year old actress without even telling her.
The articles on this always conflate what happens in the story and what actually occured on set. The actress seems to have always stated the scene was simulated. If he actually made any contact, that isn't something she appeared to have stated.
This seems to show the extent to what's in the film (content warning, obviously): https://youtu.be/oDfcpeOa7qg?t=239
Without the actress ever explicitly stating anything to the contrary of the actual act being simulated, this just seems like articles being sloppy about script-vs-reality or reading into things people didn't say.
The felt violated by the actor and director essentially adlibbing humilating aspects into a rape scene, I can't recall her stating anywhere that she was violated in any way physically.
GOOD FUCKING LORD
Fuck these people
No part of that makes me want to see this movie.
This is really bad. But the whole movie is based on this?
there's not a single source that actually says this happened, including any of the interviews throughout her entire career
the whole thing is absolutely awful, but there's no need to spread falsehoods. it's bad enough as is.