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Border Town Girl
TWO HEADLONG TALES OF INTRIGUE, SUSPENSE, AND MURDER BY A MASTER STORYTELLERBORDER TOWN GIRL Once, Lane Sanson had been a Somebody - a war correspondent and a best-selling author. Now he was a nobody, bumming around Mexico. Lost, lonely, hungry for hope, he was a pushover for a bordertown B-girl - the perfect fall guy for a lethal frame-up.LINDA She was born with the morality gene missing. As beautiful, as inviting, as treacherous as the sea around her, Linda is one of the most compelling women yet created by John D. MacDonald.
159 pages, Mass Market Paperback
First published January 1, 1956
About the author
John D. MacDonald
493 books1,233 followersJohn D. MacDonald was born in Sharon, Pa, and educated at the Universities of Pennsylvania, Syracuse and Harvard, where he took an MBA in 1939. During WW2, he rose to the rank of Colonel, and while serving in the Army and in the Far East, sent a short story to his wife for sale, successfully. He served in the Office of Strategic Services (O.S.S.) in the China-Burma-India Theater of Operations. After the war, he decided to try writing for a year, to see if he could make a living. Over 500 short stories and 70 novels resulted, including 21 Travis McGee novels.
Following complications of an earlier heart bypass operation, MacDonald slipped into a coma on December 10 and died at age 70, on December 28, 1986, in St. Mary's Hospital in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He was survived by his wife Dorothy (1911-1989) and a son, Maynard.
In the years since his death MacDonald has been praised by authors as diverse as Stephen King, Spider Robinson, Jimmy Buffett, Kingsley Amis and Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.. Thirty-three years after his passing the Travis McGee novels are still in print.
Following complications of an earlier heart bypass operation, MacDonald slipped into a coma on December 10 and died at age 70, on December 28, 1986, in St. Mary's Hospital in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He was survived by his wife Dorothy (1911-1989) and a son, Maynard.
In the years since his death MacDonald has been praised by authors as diverse as Stephen King, Spider Robinson, Jimmy Buffett, Kingsley Amis and Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.. Thirty-three years after his passing the Travis McGee novels are still in print.
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April 7, 2024
Border Town Girl
Border Town Girl is actually two novellas in one package and the cover page should make that evident. Border Town Girl is the story of a package that everyone wants and that, in a comedy of errors, Lance Sanson has. Sanson is a newspaperman who has fallen on hard times and even his trip to Mexico goes wrong and, naive, good guy that he is, gets sucked into something no good. The characters include the mob boss, his femme fatale Diana, and his twisted henchman Christy who is the evil torturer of nightmares. The plot moves back and forth across the border. The storyline feels a bit stiff at times and the characters could be rounded out a little more.
The second novella is Linda and the set up for this story is great as Paul Cowley, a mild-mannered keep-to-himself kind of guy runs into the most popular girl from high school who doesn’t even remember him and ends up marrying her. He wonders sometimes how he got so lucky, but when he thinks about it he realizes she always want’s something more than he can give her and she’s not generally in the mood where she can’t keep her hands off him. The conceit here is that Paul is too blind too see what he’s really caught is a Venus flytrap and she’s going to chew him up and spit out the seeds. MacDonald expertly leads the reader in slowly, letting the reader know something is rotten, but not exposing it all until it’s too late and Paul has a knife do deeply in his back that it seems as if it will never come out. There are a lot of ways this story could have gone, but the place MacDonald takes it too is just explosive. When it comes to crime noir, Linda is the real deal.
Border Town Girl is actually two novellas in one package and the cover page should make that evident. Border Town Girl is the story of a package that everyone wants and that, in a comedy of errors, Lance Sanson has. Sanson is a newspaperman who has fallen on hard times and even his trip to Mexico goes wrong and, naive, good guy that he is, gets sucked into something no good. The characters include the mob boss, his femme fatale Diana, and his twisted henchman Christy who is the evil torturer of nightmares. The plot moves back and forth across the border. The storyline feels a bit stiff at times and the characters could be rounded out a little more.
The second novella is Linda and the set up for this story is great as Paul Cowley, a mild-mannered keep-to-himself kind of guy runs into the most popular girl from high school who doesn’t even remember him and ends up marrying her. He wonders sometimes how he got so lucky, but when he thinks about it he realizes she always want’s something more than he can give her and she’s not generally in the mood where she can’t keep her hands off him. The conceit here is that Paul is too blind too see what he’s really caught is a Venus flytrap and she’s going to chew him up and spit out the seeds. MacDonald expertly leads the reader in slowly, letting the reader know something is rotten, but not exposing it all until it’s too late and Paul has a knife do deeply in his back that it seems as if it will never come out. There are a lot of ways this story could have gone, but the place MacDonald takes it too is just explosive. When it comes to crime noir, Linda is the real deal.
November 26, 2016
I've had this JDM paperback on my shelf for many years. Most certainly I got it from one of the handful of used bookstores in Phoenix that have now closed. Thinking about the bookstores that have closed is always a bit depressing, so pulling an old paperback off the shelf at home and escaping into a bygone time is comfort for the soul.
Anyway, as you might notice from other reviews, or not, Border Town Girl is actually two novellas by JDM. The first one, "Border Town Girl" was originally published in DIME DETECTIVE MAGAZINE as "Five Star Fugitive" back in 1950. JDM was a master at laying down a fast-paced pulp story, and this one has all the classic elements of pulp action. The beginning is a corker. A hard-nosed moll named Diana Saybree is laying low in a motel on the border of Texas and Mexico waiting for a drug deal to go down. Diana is pure pulp slattern with her cigarettes and sexy underwear, stockings hanging from suitcase, rye on the dresser and sweaty flesh on the bedsheets. Unfortunately, before her contact from Mexico arrives she's knocked over by a hood, leaving her without the payoff dough she's been trusted with. Just south of the border is Lane Sanson, a regular Joe who had notoriety several years before for penning a bestseller about the war. Now he's on the bum, spending the last of his money on tequila and hookers. One hooker sets him up for a roll which ends up with him getting confused for the smuggler that Diana Saybree is waiting for. Enter the scene, Christy, one psycho killer ex-circus strong man who gets kinky thrills torturing his victims before snuffing them out. And Christy can't wait to get his mitts on Diana's hot little bod!
The 2nd story in the novel is simply titled "Linda" and I believe it was original to this two-fer published in 1956. Linda is described as a babe born with a "morality gene missing" who is married to all-round good guy (and hapless dupe) Paul Cowley. Paul is a plant engineer who married Linda after she returns from a wild life and shady past in California. Paul works with a hotshot sales guy named Brandon Jeffries, known to all as Jeff. Jeff and his wife Stella become social friends with Paul and Linda. Before long, Linda and Jeff start to work a plan for both couples to embark on a shared vacation to a remote beach in Florida. It'll be a kick, they promise, both couples taking in the sun, the beach, the fishing, and...well you can probably see it coming right? Betrayal and murder. This is another terrific yarn that'll have you hooked within the first few paragraphs.
So there it is, classic JDM in two short shots, perfect for a rainy day afternoon.
Anyway, as you might notice from other reviews, or not, Border Town Girl is actually two novellas by JDM. The first one, "Border Town Girl" was originally published in DIME DETECTIVE MAGAZINE as "Five Star Fugitive" back in 1950. JDM was a master at laying down a fast-paced pulp story, and this one has all the classic elements of pulp action. The beginning is a corker. A hard-nosed moll named Diana Saybree is laying low in a motel on the border of Texas and Mexico waiting for a drug deal to go down. Diana is pure pulp slattern with her cigarettes and sexy underwear, stockings hanging from suitcase, rye on the dresser and sweaty flesh on the bedsheets. Unfortunately, before her contact from Mexico arrives she's knocked over by a hood, leaving her without the payoff dough she's been trusted with. Just south of the border is Lane Sanson, a regular Joe who had notoriety several years before for penning a bestseller about the war. Now he's on the bum, spending the last of his money on tequila and hookers. One hooker sets him up for a roll which ends up with him getting confused for the smuggler that Diana Saybree is waiting for. Enter the scene, Christy, one psycho killer ex-circus strong man who gets kinky thrills torturing his victims before snuffing them out. And Christy can't wait to get his mitts on Diana's hot little bod!
The 2nd story in the novel is simply titled "Linda" and I believe it was original to this two-fer published in 1956. Linda is described as a babe born with a "morality gene missing" who is married to all-round good guy (and hapless dupe) Paul Cowley. Paul is a plant engineer who married Linda after she returns from a wild life and shady past in California. Paul works with a hotshot sales guy named Brandon Jeffries, known to all as Jeff. Jeff and his wife Stella become social friends with Paul and Linda. Before long, Linda and Jeff start to work a plan for both couples to embark on a shared vacation to a remote beach in Florida. It'll be a kick, they promise, both couples taking in the sun, the beach, the fishing, and...well you can probably see it coming right? Betrayal and murder. This is another terrific yarn that'll have you hooked within the first few paragraphs.
So there it is, classic JDM in two short shots, perfect for a rainy day afternoon.
June 7, 2014
Thanks to Kevin Comer who posted as a guest post on D. R. Martin's blog Travis McGee & Me, Reflections on the Man from Slip F-18, Travis McGee & Me. Kevin recommended this and thought Linda was the better read and I agree. I picked up this "not Travis" JDM novella(s) but he should have named it "Linda" since in my opinion too, that was easily the better story of the two novellas.
If you go to D. R.'s site (which I hope you will) you'll see that the entire blog is free for Kindle and how can you lose on free? It's a great reference source after a McGee is read since it has spoilers in every blog post.
Linda...four stars * * * *, I really liked it, it was a great story, well, great solid story told as usual for JDM.
Border Town Girl...three stars * * *, I liked it but Linda had, by far, the better storyline.
Since I always round up, the book gets four stars and well worth a read. A treat especially if you're like me and love JDM's writing. And yes, I admit to being a bit biased. So shoot me.
If you go to D. R.'s site (which I hope you will) you'll see that the entire blog is free for Kindle and how can you lose on free? It's a great reference source after a McGee is read since it has spoilers in every blog post.
Linda...four stars * * * *, I really liked it, it was a great story, well, great solid story told as usual for JDM.
Border Town Girl...three stars * * *, I liked it but Linda had, by far, the better storyline.
Since I always round up, the book gets four stars and well worth a read. A treat especially if you're like me and love JDM's writing. And yes, I admit to being a bit biased. So shoot me.
July 13, 2017
Border Town Girl was good. Linda was superb.
August 21, 2023
This short novel packs a punch. Set on both sides of the U.S./Mexico border, it tells the tale of a washed-up writer who wanders into a drug deal and the arms of a bad girl named Diana. Most of the attention, however, is to a villain named Christy, a former carnie strong man who leaves a trail of bodies in his wake.
John D. MacDonald is best known for his Travis McGee stories set in Florida, but this isn't one of them. Border Town Girl is set in a Tex/Mex hell and has considerably less chivalry than the McGee books. (But there is some.)
John D. MacDonald is best known for his Travis McGee stories set in Florida, but this isn't one of them. Border Town Girl is set in a Tex/Mex hell and has considerably less chivalry than the McGee books. (But there is some.)
April 17, 2022
Two novellas, “Border Town Girl” and “Linda” make up this book. Excellent hardboiled stories.
February 2, 2010
John D. MacDonald wrote about a score of stand-alone novels in addition to his Travis McGee books.
This one, two novelettes.
The first was Border Town Girl, was disappointing. Christy, chief henchman, tried to double-cross his boss, a drug dealer named George. He sent a man to steal George's money. Later, George sent Christy to catch the thief. Didn't like the way it ended. Christy's defeat came too easy.
I like the references to Of Mice And Men, though. Christy was a man of great strength who once killed a dame cause he smacked her too hard. And near the end when an apparition of George showed before Christy and he accused Christy of betrayal, Christy said, "I wouldn't do a thing like that, George, honest."
So Lennie-ish.
(In Of Mice And Men, Lennie's only pal was George Milton)
The second novelette, Linda, was very, very noir. Linda was your classic femme fatale. She hatched a plot to kill her beau's wife and made Paul, Linda's third husband, as the patsy. The way she planned it, no one noticed a thing till it happened. Dominos fell in shiny patterns. Boy, was Paul's face red.....
Bravo to MacDonald who created this goddess of discord by showing it expertly, bit by bit, to readers.
This one, two novelettes.
The first was Border Town Girl, was disappointing. Christy, chief henchman, tried to double-cross his boss, a drug dealer named George. He sent a man to steal George's money. Later, George sent Christy to catch the thief. Didn't like the way it ended. Christy's defeat came too easy.
I like the references to Of Mice And Men, though. Christy was a man of great strength who once killed a dame cause he smacked her too hard. And near the end when an apparition of George showed before Christy and he accused Christy of betrayal, Christy said, "I wouldn't do a thing like that, George, honest."
So Lennie-ish.
(In Of Mice And Men, Lennie's only pal was George Milton)
The second novelette, Linda, was very, very noir. Linda was your classic femme fatale. She hatched a plot to kill her beau's wife and made Paul, Linda's third husband, as the patsy. The way she planned it, no one noticed a thing till it happened. Dominos fell in shiny patterns. Boy, was Paul's face red.....
Bravo to MacDonald who created this goddess of discord by showing it expertly, bit by bit, to readers.
August 10, 2013
Two novellas John D. MacDonald. Border Town Girl was originally published in Dime Detective Magazine as "Five Star Fugitive". Both are unmistakably from the pen of JDM but are completely different. Border Town Girl is a story of conflict and characters that reminds me of his Mexican Border thriller The Damned (1952). Linda is JDM's competent man in an uncomfortable marital setting. Compare it with Cancel All Our Vows(1953). Well worthwhile reading.
Thriller - Two Novellas: Border Town Girl (1950) - Linda (1956).
Border Town Girl" is an interesting tale of redemption that unfolds in the unlikely setting of Baker, TX right on the Rio Grande. It is there that Lane Sanson, a washed up writer, meets Diana Saybree, a gangster's girlfriend. Against a backdrop of drug smuggling and murder, each manages to help the other reclaim their respective lives.
In "Linda", narrator Paul Cowley is an intelligent but naive suburbanite who has been married for a number of years to the beautiful but shallow title character, Linda. As the compelling narrative unfolds, it becomes shockingly apparent that Paul has been living with someone he has never really known.
Thriller - Two Novellas: Border Town Girl (1950) - Linda (1956).
Border Town Girl" is an interesting tale of redemption that unfolds in the unlikely setting of Baker, TX right on the Rio Grande. It is there that Lane Sanson, a washed up writer, meets Diana Saybree, a gangster's girlfriend. Against a backdrop of drug smuggling and murder, each manages to help the other reclaim their respective lives.
In "Linda", narrator Paul Cowley is an intelligent but naive suburbanite who has been married for a number of years to the beautiful but shallow title character, Linda. As the compelling narrative unfolds, it becomes shockingly apparent that Paul has been living with someone he has never really known.
November 24, 2020
A collection of two novellas that shows off some of the things MacDonald does best as a writer. With Border Town Girl, a story of a down-on-his-luck ex-jounalist turned novelist who is set up as a drug smuggling mule, the first two chapters are MacDonald at his absolute best: set pieces that establish the plot and reveal character from the inside out, as we see these two characters dealing with their inner demons and then see them left for dead. Linda is a terrific noir plot featuring an "everyman" who falls for a femme fatale and then becomes the victim of her plot to set him up for murder. MacDonald excels at character and Linda is one of the great femme fatale characters in noir.
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August 3, 2020Two zippy noir novellas. The first is good, the second even better with a truly evil femme fatale. Fun.
February 20, 2019
This book is comprised of two different unconnected stories. The first, "Border Town Girl" was, I guess, written for a pulp magazine and then it was combined with a newly written story, "Linda", when published in paperback.
Border Town Girl was an atmospheric story of a down on his luck novelist, who is just drifting around, when he gets caught up in some kind of drug deal. Rescued at the last minute by his own surprising backbone and a local native women, it was an okay story with some interesting characters and atmosphere.
Linda, however, had a real John D MacDonald feel for it, with a regular guy finding out just how pitiless and evil his wife and friend are. Told in an interesting reminiscing fashion, he does a good job of keeping you both confused and on the edge of your seat. Very well done.
So we'll say ★★★ for Border Town Girl and ★★★★ for Linda and round up to ★★★★.
Border Town Girl was an atmospheric story of a down on his luck novelist, who is just drifting around, when he gets caught up in some kind of drug deal. Rescued at the last minute by his own surprising backbone and a local native women, it was an okay story with some interesting characters and atmosphere.
Linda, however, had a real John D MacDonald feel for it, with a regular guy finding out just how pitiless and evil his wife and friend are. Told in an interesting reminiscing fashion, he does a good job of keeping you both confused and on the edge of your seat. Very well done.
So we'll say ★★★ for Border Town Girl and ★★★★ for Linda and round up to ★★★★.
July 31, 2018
This was the last JDM novel on my actual bookshelf and I put it off because it didn't look that appealing to me. It is actually two novellas, Border Town Girl and Linda. I finally picked it up to read and finished the first novella in the same day...and really enjoyed it. A few days later I finished the second one...and really enjoyed it, too. It is hard to believe that all of the story elements and character development found in a full novel can be found in each of these two novellas. Diana is the Border Town Girl that you may not like at first, but really like at the end. Linda is the beauty you think you really like at the beginning but may won't like at the end. I wonder if that was how he wrote them, challenging his readers to see the (presumably) bad to good and (presumably) good to bad. He was a master and almost everything he produced was terrific.
December 20, 2014
These comments refer to the Random House e-book edition. Very good pair of noir novellas by JDM, but the e-book edition has typos that do not exist in the original print edition--like "Tortillas con polio," missing capital letters, and others. Like the intro by Dean Koontz but is it worth the $9, even with the added typos? Used print copies are $3 or less.
August 4, 2008
This is actually a collection of two novellas, "Border Town Girl" and "Linda." Both are basically character studies, which MacDonald does very well.
February 16, 2021
The master! Mac is in a league of his own. This is actually 2 novellas; the second, "Linda," I find to be better than "Girl."
Very few American mystery/thriller writers can compare: he's better than Dashiell Hammett, better than Raymond Chandler, better than 99% of such American writers today. He doesn't plough the same territory as Jim Thompson, but comes pretty close in his seedy backgrounds, amoral characters, sudden violence, sleazy deals... the difference is, Mac gives you someone to root for. Thompson has amoral anti-heroes. Mac's not read as much today, IMO, because of what we interpret as blatant sexism. Every women is a sex kitten, damaged goods, or both. So what? Good writing is good writing.
Very few American mystery/thriller writers can compare: he's better than Dashiell Hammett, better than Raymond Chandler, better than 99% of such American writers today. He doesn't plough the same territory as Jim Thompson, but comes pretty close in his seedy backgrounds, amoral characters, sudden violence, sleazy deals... the difference is, Mac gives you someone to root for. Thompson has amoral anti-heroes. Mac's not read as much today, IMO, because of what we interpret as blatant sexism. Every women is a sex kitten, damaged goods, or both. So what? Good writing is good writing.
September 14, 2022
These are two unrelated stories, the first being "Border Girl". The first story is very readable about a writer once well known but has suffered hard times. When returning from Mexico in a Mexican border town, is mistaken for a drug dealer. He is badly beaten up and his helped by a young Mexican woman. He is pressured into bringing a shipment across the border or risk being framed. Safely across he becomes involved with his contact, a woman in big trouble with her criminal boss.
The next story, I enjoyed less about a man being framed by his wife and friend with a scheme that sets him up for the murder of the friend's rich wife. Still I find John D. MacDonald captivating and very readable.
The next story, I enjoyed less about a man being framed by his wife and friend with a scheme that sets him up for the murder of the friend's rich wife. Still I find John D. MacDonald captivating and very readable.
July 17, 2020
I love film noir. Those gritty crime dramas from the 40’s and 50’s, with femme fatal dames, tough talking cops or PIs and menacing crooks. Films like Double Indemnity, Laura, The Strange Lovers of Martha Ivers, Angel Face, The Big Sleep and the like. I also love Hitchcock films where the innocent hero is drawn into nefarious situations. Strangers on a Train, North by Northwest, Rear Window. Combine the two genres and you get John D. MacDonald’s Border Town Girl and Linda. Two short but great suspense stories in one book.
August 11, 2020
Included are the two JDM Novellas "Border Town Girl" and "Linda". Among the 43 JDM novels I have read, I'd rank this one in the top 10 without hesitation. These are good, fast-paced stories without so much of the analysis which even a master like JDM can cause the reader to feel entangled with. I would rate "Linda" as the better of the two although they're both great. I would recommend this as a good introduction to MacDonald's '50's period. It's easily better than The Brass Cupcake, A Bullet for Cinderella or even The Neon Jungle. Read it.
June 28, 2021
Yes, it's pulp fiction. Lots of gritty action, fast talking wise guys and ruthless dames. But you keep turning the pages because the writing is so damn good...
This one is actually two novellas. Border Town Girl and Linda. Neither title does their story justice. I'm not sure what I would've named them, but something with a little more pizzazz would've been better. I'm glad MacDonald kept these stories brief and fast-paced. Anything added would've felt like filler. He really knew how to keep a story flowing.
Both stories are good, but Linda was excellent.
This one is actually two novellas. Border Town Girl and Linda. Neither title does their story justice. I'm not sure what I would've named them, but something with a little more pizzazz would've been better. I'm glad MacDonald kept these stories brief and fast-paced. Anything added would've felt like filler. He really knew how to keep a story flowing.
Both stories are good, but Linda was excellent.
December 5, 2021
Two separate short stories, I read them a with a couple of month gap in between. Very quick reads, the second story was 73 pages. Pure enjoyment. Found this at a Half Price book store. I don't imagine this is easy to find.
December 11, 2022
What can I say? It was . . . . ok. If it had been written today, or at least in the past ten years, it may have stood up to more current mystery novels, but alas . . . . it seemed a bit dated, elementary and rather pedestrian.
January 23, 2024
A weird recommendation from Man Carrying Thing. Two novellas - first was kinda crap: a noir book written by a man in the 50s for blokes stuck, mentally, in the 50s. Couldn’t really give a shit about anyone on it.
Second novella, Linda, was good fun though.
Second novella, Linda, was good fun though.
February 26, 2017
I didn't Love "Border Town Girl" (the first novella) but did really enjoy "Linda".
April 27, 2019
Story 1 (Border Town Girl) ***
Story 2 (Linda) ****
Combined rating: ***
Very entertaining stories, though uneven.
Story 2 (Linda) ****
Combined rating: ***
Very entertaining stories, though uneven.
May 9, 2019
An Examination of killers minds
Two novellas both told by men confronted by killers and how they found a way to cope. Depressing perspectives of humanity.
Two novellas both told by men confronted by killers and how they found a way to cope. Depressing perspectives of humanity.
September 7, 2023
Three stars for #1, two for 'Linda'. #1 reminiscent of Robert Stone's "Dog Soldiers".
January 27, 2024
five for linda
March 9, 2024
This book should have been called Linda. It was easly the better of the two novellas.
Linda=5 stars.
Bordertown girl=2 stars.
Linda=5 stars.
Bordertown girl=2 stars.
January 18, 2020
Border Town Girl is my absolute favorite J.D.M. novella. That is kind of cheating, however, by saying that, and separating novellas from novels. But I have to, because all of his novels are fantastic. There are far too many to compare. The Empty Trap, The Last One Left . . . And then there are the Travis McGees. Way, way too many to compare them all. Just read and enjoy!
September 8, 2021
These two novellas, Border Town Girl and Linda, come from MacDonald's pulp fiction period when he was selling boatloads of stories to magazines like Detective Tales and Dime Detective Magazine. Lean and mean, both stories portray ordinary men who become ensnared in extraordinary circumstances that not only put them serious jeopardy, but, especially in the case of Linda, shatter the very foundations of their lives. Both are short enough to read in a single sitting, and both, while long enough to qualify as novellas, are very much in line with Poe's assertion that every detail, every word, of a short story should help move the story efficiently to the ultimate desired effect. Very good writing, indeed.
I've read a lot of MacDonald's novels that he wrote in the seasoned, mature style for which he is so well known, but, it's a treat to see the earlier stuff when he was honing his craft and developing his writing chops. Very cool.
And, by the way: Linda begins with two couples planning a vacation together. I sat down to read this minutes after my wife and I made arrangements with another couple for a vacation this summer. I hope ours works out better than Linda's.
I've read a lot of MacDonald's novels that he wrote in the seasoned, mature style for which he is so well known, but, it's a treat to see the earlier stuff when he was honing his craft and developing his writing chops. Very cool.
And, by the way: Linda begins with two couples planning a vacation together. I sat down to read this minutes after my wife and I made arrangements with another couple for a vacation this summer. I hope ours works out better than Linda's.
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